Kurotshuchi Mayuri vs. Zaraki Kenpachi

[Kaze]

I'll have to go with Zaraki on this one.

[Shiba]

Just because they are both captains doesnt mean they're about equal. Kenpachi's fighting fury will take mayuri apart before he even has a chance to play one of his sneaky tricks.

[Tsuruko Shiro]

Mayuri would probably win. He's fairly fast from what I've seen, so he's just got pig stick Kenpachi a few times to paralyze him with Shikai, and then he can poison him with his Bankai.

[Mizuki]

zaraki!! he is just too strong and crazy!! but mayuri does stand a chance though..his shikai's ability really gives him a lot of advantage....

[Chibidagger]

Hard call. Kurotsuchi has the poison and I really don't know if Zaraki would fall to it. But I think Zaraki would come out on top just because he's a power house and Kurotsuchi probably wouldn't want to waste his time fighting someone with more reiatsu than him.

[MT]

I'd say Zaraki... Mayori is so über lame... i hope that zaraki would win...

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

.........................Anther Zaraki topic against one of the captains.....................
Ok from the Start DONT SAY THAT Mayori Have Chance against Zaraki HE IS Weak Even Ishida in his early days Beat the hell out of him.
PS: If Senb0nzakura Enter this Topic Then This Will take forever Because She Will For sure say that the other Captain Would Win.

[Aya]

i will go with Zaraki this time.....He is the better fighter in this particular case...
p.s.wow, take it easy.....i am not Zaraki hater, you know........lol

[Shiba]

Anyway, Kenpachi is probably to tough to be affected by the poison to much. It will probably come down to Mayuri's bankai. What does that do anyway? Its just a massive slug.

[LarryLunch]

zaraki will probably walk with the poison. mayuri pwned

[Kaze]

zaraki will probably walk with the poison. mayuri pwnedAgreed. B]

[Zantetsuken]

Zaraki cause he's a berserker and won't feel at all being poisoned :p

[khayman]

Zaraki.

Mayuri is shown to be scared of Zaraki in the anime, and Mayuri isn't foolish. He was scared for good reason :P

[Tsuruko Shiro]

Apparently I'm the only one who thinks Zaraki would lose. Your all underestimating his shikai.

[Aya]

believe me, i really tried hard to think for some good ,reasonable sugestion, than explains why he would loose,.....but my head begun to hurt and i drop it......lol
Its mayuri`s fault....he is so mediocre....

[Tsuruko Shiro]

believe me, i really tried hard to think for some good ,reasonable sugestion, than explains why he would loose,.....but my head begun to hurt and i drop it......lol
Its mayuri`s fault....he is so mediocre....

I just think that Mayuri might be fast enough to hit Zaraki a few times with his Shikai before Zaraki can get him back. Zaraki's tough, but even for him, a few stabs with Ashisogi Jizou and even Ken-chan shouldn't be able to move.

[Aya]

these words are like music for my ears....lol.......but the stubs will only make Ken more agresive ...remember his fight with Ichi..
....and then....bai bai Mayuri...

[Tsuruko Shiro]

I don't know. I have yet to see Zaraki use shyunpo, but Mayuri was able to match Ishidas speed no problem, when Ishida moved fast enough to not be seen by Jidanbou's brother. I'm sure after Zaraki was hit a few times, he would want to fight harder, but he kinda can't if he can't even hold his sword. You guys aren't giving enough credit to Ashisogi Jizou!

[Shiba]

I think you're not giving Kenpachi enough credit. His sheer power is enough to beat other captains (Tousen and Komamaru anyone?). And do you remember that at first Ichigo wasnt even able to cut him? Mabye that will mean that Mayuri attacks might not be as effective due sheer toughness.

[MagiciaN]

I think Mayuri has some ass-kicking aces in the pocket, otherwise why he is Sci&tech division captain. Never underestimate an opponent, that's what it means!

[Tsuruko Shiro]

I think you're not giving Kenpachi enough credit. His sheer power is enough to beat other captains (Tousen and Komamaru anyone?). And do you remember that at first Ichigo wasnt even able to cut him? Mabye that will mean that Mayuri attacks might not be as effective due sheer toughness.

Your still missing the point that Zaraki is slow. Mayuri can use shyunpo like it's nothing [ Not equal to Byakuya of course however ] When Zaraki fought Tousen, Tousen was moving at a speed that Ichigo could've kept up with when he first became a shinigami. Mayuri probably would have had Tousen down alot quicker. And Zaraki didn't even really fight Komamura. Komamura called out his Bankai and there was one punch, which is all we can really be assured of happening. Komamura left during the fight. Have you not noticed that every enemy Zaraki fights is slow? He hasn't fought anyone that could use shyunpo yet. Hell, even Gin was able to tie Zaraki up without Zaraki even being able to do anything about it. And the whole thing with Ichigo not being able to cut Zaraki, that was because Ichigo knew nothing about the reiatsu difference and everything. It barely took anytime before he was able to cut him. And since Mayuri is Captain of the Science and Technological division, I'm sure he is already fully aware of how to fight Zaraki.

I've said it before, I say it again, speed > sheer power.

What good is super strength if your fighting someone you can't hit?

[Ash]

Mayuri ftw

[Tsuruko Shiro]

Mayuri ftw

Good, I'm not the only one...

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

i will go with Zaraki this time.....He is the better fighter in this particular case...
p.s.wow, take it easy.....i am not Zaraki hater, you know........lol

Whaaaat i cant believe my Eyes Senb0nzakura Said that Zaraki Could Win ..........


Anyway

What good is super strength if your fighting someone you can't hit?
First =All of you depend when you talk about Zaraki About this fight (him and Ichigo) But that was his first time seeing him in real fight you don't know what he is Capable of now

Second=One Hit that's all what it take to make Byakuya,Mayuri,Tousen To go Down or at least make them much more slower.

[Aya]

Second=One Hit that's all what it take to make Byakuya,Mayuri,Tousen To go Down or at least make them much more slower.
...........is it propriate to put Byakuya at the same level that Mayuri and Tousen are....:p
i dont think so.

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

^ok he is the most powerful one among those 3 But he is still weak when it come to the physical strength.

PS:Senb0nzakura Don't jump On Me And Start Attacking Just Because I Say that there is A weak point in Byakuya HE IS NOT PERFICT..

[Aya]

The only weak point with Byakuya is that he is perfect.......I am not jumping on you, sorry if it looks like that......lol

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

^Don't Worry i just Think That Your Love For Byakuya Blind Your Eyes From Seeing His Weakness[Just Like Me and Zaraki*Smile*]........

[jelly_angel]

i declare a draw between both of them...
zaraki..crazy fighter... mayuri...great shi kai ability!

[kotetsu]

man Zaraki Kenpachi will kik dat sik bastrard Mayuri's ass...
i say dis coz Kenpachi DID take on 2 captains before...(meaning 2 bankai's)

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

^True

[touchedvenus]

I've sat here and tried to think of ways that psychotic Kenpachi could take on Mayuri's ban kai and ideas are just not coming to me. Kenpachi could probably come up with some psychotically simple method to take out Mayuri though. His best bet would be to chop him up in little pieces before Mayuri said anything. But if he takes too long Mayuri will win the battle. It all depends on the tactics used. And since we know Kenpachi loves a long battle he'd probably mess up.

Mayuri wins.

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

^Belive me when i say He will Wait For His Ban kia To come Then Fight them Both On and Win.

[Onda]

it's true that Gin can tie him up and move to the roof in a blink of an eye....but then again that's because Gin is strong.....but I think he can pull that one on mayuri too.....Kenpachi is not a fancy fighter....he wants to bleed when he fights...so syunpo to stab from behind is not his style....he rather charge forward....even if mayuri can stab him with his shikai...he would probably just catch his hand, hold it and slice him into pieces......this maybe bogus coming from me but I can't let mayuri win in any fight.....he's a worthless character....not even close to replace kisuke....

[Squady]

Zaraki would win cuz he's a glutton for punishment who figures a way to win after bankai is released. I believe i can safely say he's defeated two bankai's that of Tousen and the former Captain of the 11th division *although it hasn't been mentioned.

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

^Finally someone talking with facts here........

[kotetsu]

^Yesh he will kick Maiyuri's ass badly
y cant people just accept dat?

[Hax4u]

Listen, alot of your hate mayuri out there. don't let that hatred blind you. you probably wouldn't half as good at being blind as tousen is. ahem, any way on to facts.

Mayuri's shakai has toxin that seriously screws with your nervous system, with out removing pain. the size of your body dosn't matter for a neuro toxin. Once it is in your blood stream, your screwed, royaly so. I'm not one to diagnose, but zaraki strikes me as a serious sado-masochist (for proof, see the ichigo kenpachi battle again.) he likes to dish out pain, but from what we've seen, he also dosen't mind taking some either. Thus, in battle zaraki is rather reckless. this recklessness is almost a sure fire sign that he will take a few cuts to nail a hit. when fighting mayuri, that would be his down fall. Even if zaraki did manage to avoid getting hit, it is clear that mayuri dosen't mind having his organs blown out, and can recover from such a strike. If zaraki manages to impail mayuri, he can whip his sword around, and give him a paralyze cut. If it did come down to bankai, the poison is deadly, after breathing some, it is just a mater of time. so mayuri's bankai spews some fumes, then mayuri liqifies himself. i don't see how zaraki could win this lopsided a battle.:) so yeah, that is my reasoning.

[Kraze]

Even if kenpachi would get hit by the shikai, his sheer reiatsu makes mayuri fly..
(weeeee!! fly birdiee! DIE!!!!!)

Kenpachi wins this for sure..

The bankai would just vanish in the same way as uryuu managed to do it..
(remember what the last blow was like? --> Kenpachi vs Ichigo)

btw.. U guys say kenpachi wants to get sliced..
but u guys are forgetting, he thinks what to do with his surroundings to beat people..
--> Kenpachi vs Tousen

though.. Kenpachi see's Mayuri as nothing i think..

I forgot this 2..
Kenpachi has more fighting experience than mayuri..


byakuya ain't perfect, if ichigo's reiatsu keeps rising and is much higher than byakuya's, byakuya's bankai couldn't even slice him..


*the genius shunpo's away to planet Type-Moon :p

[tokdukun]

Even if kenpachi would get hit by the shikai, his sheer reiatsu makes mayuri fly..
(weeeee!! fly birdiee! DIE!!!!!)

Hahaha. Mayuri isn't that weak, you know. He's a capt, n dun rubbish things like he's JUST a replacement for Urahara. To become a capt, they have procedures to make sure all of them have some std. Even maybe he nevr fought Urahara for Captaincy (as Urahara was expelled), he sure must've been tested in other area to make sure he's genuinely capable to become a Captain.

Mayuri will def be able to hit Kenpachi. Too bad for Kenpachi, once he can't move his 4 limbs, he's as weak as a baby, that fact can never change.

Nevertheless, I'd say Kenpachi is not as slow as everyone thinks. Yes, he was tied by Gin before, but he didnt expect that comin. He can probably also shunpo, though never demonstrated, I think he shunpo-ed behind Ichigo when he first meet him and ask "you're Kurosaki Ichigo, eh?"

[Eu-Kun]

Mayuri... yes, I have to face the truth.. since he has poison and ban kai.

[Hax4u]

bwahahaha, see, mayuri is good

[X-Crusader]

As for a way of defeating mayuri's fighting style, someone might mention the fight against Ichigo as a sample of Kenpachi’s full power, but remember that Ichigo himself is insanely strong and Kenpachi only used brawl and no brain. Against Tousen he took a different approach he was able to know where the hits would come from even with his senses all messed up, so he probably has a lot we haven’t seen yet.
Like it was mentioned before on the thread, Kenpachi has already defeated 3 captains(maybe just two) two(maybe just one) of them without taking off his eye patch so in a clean fight with Mayuri using only his Zanpakuto I’d say Kenpachi would find a way to win.

But Mayuri probably placed some kind of fail-safe inside Kenpachi’s eye patch (not sure he is the one who designed it though) so I won’t rule out Kenpachi’s defeat!

[tokdukun]

Yeah, I do believe Kenpachi is a very wise person in battle. Being able to defeat Tousen shows he does not only possess pure strength, but also very good brain to think of strats.

It's just that......Mayuri is cheap :P. Well, he wouldnt if he did not call our Ashisogi Jizou. He can still fight Kenpachi with other weapon(s) like the scythe out of his left ear and whatever stuffs he did to himself. That would make the fight more interesting and putting him on more even level with Kenpachi :D

[Zabimaru]

Zaraki Kenpachi all the way

[Hax4u]

why? tell us why zabimaru

[Zabimaru]

well ishida a Quincy can defeat him ,why not zaraki who defeated tousen .

[Cursed]

Zaraki will just shrug the poison off, kill Mayuri, and steal the antidote from Nemu.

[Zabimaru]

Zaraki will just shrug the poison off, kill Mayuri, and steal the antidote from Nemu.
yup thats how it goes.

[Hax4u]

in reality this is how it goes, mayuri wihips out bankai, lets zaraki breath and have zraki rush at him, and then liquify himself

[Cursed]

Zaraki would still take the antidote from Nemu, the he'd go to 12th division office and set the vat with Mayuri in it on fire.

[Hax4u]

no, nemu wouldn't be there, mayuri would tie her up for being disobideant

[Cursed]

He go find Nemu.

[Zabimaru]

either way kenpachi will find nemu even if mayuri ties her up.

[Hax4u]

he'd die before he got to the twelthe division house, and nemu wouldn't give it to him if mayuri told her not to

[Zabimaru]

umm then how come she tried to give it to ishida.if not Unohana Retsu will cure him.

[Hax4u]

are you sure she could, i mean, wouldn't she need some of mayuris blood?

[Zabimaru]

then how did ishida get cured by her .

[Hax4u]

he got cured by nemu, and nemu has the antidote, uohana dosent, oh, and is mayuri flamable

[GeniusBob]

They would probably kill each other. The poison would get to Zaraki and he would cut Mayuri to ribbons before he died.

[Bullet]

Mayuri can't die as long as he liquifies himself in time. So, in the end it's Zaraki who loses. Also that nerve posion his shikai has is pretty awesome too, only a Quincy that has the Heavenly Puppet technique can escape that. Mayuri is probably like Urahara too and has quite a few tricks up his sleeve.

[Ryu-loneflower]

i hate to say this but i think Mayuri would win..although i would love to see kenpachi beat the crap out him first..
ahaha but in the end, kenpachi would lose..
which is a shame, cuz im just not a big fan of mayuri

[Miwa]

Mayuri is stupid I hate his voice and everything about him.....he anoys me......Zaraki is cool and super strong .....so without any doubt Zaraki Kenpachi wins!

[Senfa]

Kenpachi wins that is the TRUTH.
Mayuri is stupid, anoying and weak, he uses tricks to win.

[Kisuke_Urahara]

Mayuri is frequently intimidated by Zaraki. Generally, when someone scares the hell out of you, you have a reason to be scared. The outcome of this battle is clear.

[Potter]

It's hard to say, but I think Mayuri would win. His bankai is pretty powerful (with the poison and all) while Kenpachi doesn't have a bankai or shikai. Kenpachi's forte is more in actual sword combat, whereas Mayuri is better with technology and the like - bombs, poison, etc. It'd be an interesting fight, though.

He seems a little intimidated by Ken-chan, though. I don't think he'd want to pick a fight with him. xD

[Kisuke_Urahara]

Kenpachi has taken out another captain (Tousen) in his bankai state with one sword stroke. And he didn't even remove his eyepatch. Bankai and shikai aren't everything, so paired with Mayuri's fear, it's difficult for me to paint a scenario in my mind in which Kenpachi loses.

[Kzimask]

Mayuri will probaly win. Poison kenpachi to death. Give him cuts and all poison will take Kenpachi down

[Shinsou Dit]

Kenpachi for me. Mayuri isnt exactly that strong, he relies on deceptive tactics like poison. Kenpachi would probably kill him in a few swipes.

[Mayuri]

WOW. Finally a battle worth commenting on. PLEASE don't take my comments as insane fanboy garbage. I hate when a battle is decided on who you like, and not who you think would win, so I won't be doing that here. Mayuri is prone to battle analysis, and figuring out an opponents weakness. Kenpachi is simply prone to battle in ANY case, and is definately more expierenced in combat. Two hypothetical situations:

1. The battle is spur-of-the-moment.

If the battle took place without Mayuri being able to acheive shikai, or bankai quickly enough to plot an offensive, Kenpachi would probably cut him down.

2. Mayuri has time to prepare.

With adequate preparation, Kenpachi has no chance. If Mayuri even cut him a couple of times, loss of movement = loss of battle, except in the case of Ishida..who could animate his limbs with reitsu. Not to mention that at BanKai, I hear it's hard to win with noxious vapor filling your lungs.

Even in the case that the battle happens spur-of-the-moment, when Mayuri felt the battle slipping away, he could liquify himself and recover. Afterwards he could return and prepare for battle, making the outcome clear to me. In any case these are my thoughts on the subject.

[Freedan]

I'd like to say Kenpachi would win the fight because he's one of my favorites, but I have to agree with Mayuri. In a formal battle, Kurotsuchi would definitely beat Kenpachi. No matter how strong Kenpachi is, it's not like he has the ability to counter the poison that prohibits movement like Ishida. He's quick minded and analytical. Without movement, it's a definite loss for Kenpachi.

[Masamune]

Zaraki ,he is a better fighter and far more powerful, the only edge Mayuri has is his shikai and bankai abilities but considering zaraki's raw power it doesn't count for much, plus i dont think mayuri would fight him if he knew he couldn't win he's too smart for that.

[Vic]

some peeps voted for the 12th squad fagi. death to them

[Cracker]

the 12th squad fag pissed his pants when zaraki grabbed him...its obvious who is afraid of who, and its for a reason. the best analogy for this fight would be zaraki analy raping him with razorwire.

[shintokenshin]

i would say zaraki would just walk up to the dude and chop him in half even if mayuri did attack him with his shikai zaraki would just keep going it would have no affect on him... hes just too strong

[Drake]

Kenpachi would win...

When Mayuri does his bankai...if he still alive that is...Zaraki would breath that poison like it was fresh air...wouldn't do him shit...

[RICKisBOSS]

Kenpachi would probably kill Mayuri but would die from the poison if Mayuri used bankai. Seeing how he's Kenpachi, I wouldn't be surprised if he got around Mayuri's shikai. Anyway, it'd be a draw but Mayuri would die first so Kenpachi ftw.

[0acht15]

Kenpachi would probably kill Mayuri but would die from the poison if Mayuri used bankai. Seeing how he's Kenpachi, I wouldn't be surprised if he got around Mayuri's shikai. Anyway, it'd be a draw but Mayuri would die first so Kenpachi ftw.

think it would end somhow like that, too. perhaps zaraki is lucky and somehow manages to survive, but at least mayuri would die, while zaraki's wounded.

[Siindre]

Mayuri..

[simon9595]

kempachi... i think he's over insane tht his overflow of reaitsu can block anything like even light he also can over come it... so i think he can just use reaitsu can do anything...

[Noitora_sama]

WTF ? ZARAKI would own his ass .

[Ryuzaki]

I'm not sure of how Mayuri is ranked in any of his categories. We have only seen him fight against Ishida, so in all likelihood, the only thing that can be said about him is that the only way he would end up winning the fight is if he can poison Zaraki. Which his bankai can ultimately end up doing, if that's the case then Kenpachi would end up losing.

[~Vaizard~Ichigo~]

Zaraki KenPachi of course... lol...

[~Vaizard~Ichigo~]

Zaraki would win... And anyway dont you remember when mayuri went to the hospital where ikkaku was, half-dead from ichigo? Zaraki appeared and mayuri shitted his pants... lol

[gungun]

I'm not sure of how Mayuri is ranked in any of his categories. We have only seen him fight against Ishida, so in all likelihood, the only thing that can be said about him is that the only way he would end up winning the fight is if he can poison Zaraki. Which his bankai can ultimately end up doing, if that's the case then Kenpachi would end up losing.


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[Ryuzaki]

Zaraki would win... And anyway dont you remember when mayuri went to the hospital where ikkaku was, half-dead from ichigo? Zaraki appeared and mayuri shitted his pants... lol
That's because he was pissed that he would not be able to interrogate Ikkaku and the fact that Ikkaku was not willing to tell him anything. Mayuri has a clear advantage in intelligence, analysis and techniques to use against Zaraki. While the only thing Zaraki might have against is the spiritual pressure but that won't matter once Zaraki is poisoned and unable to move.

[Rudraksha]

kenpachi all the way.

[Grimmjow Jaggerjack]

Use the search tool. This thread has been made at least three seperate times.

[Ankh13]

Zenpachi. Hed end up getting bored and finally killing Mayuri after he toys with him lol

[Pninja]

Mayuri wins this wit utmost ease.

[ArawnSengir]

I want to say Kenpachi would win. However I doubt he'd be able to withstand the poison emitted by Mayuri's zanpaktou.

[xXHollowIchigoXx]

Zaraki FTW

[Manami_Hikari]

Zaraki could kick is annoying, ugly ass!!

[maxw505]

i'll say Kenpachi would win this fight.

[†NirvanaFreaK†]

.........................Anther Zaraki topic against one of the captains.....................
Ok from the Start DONT SAY THAT Mayori Have Chance against Zaraki HE IS Weak Even Ishida in his early days Beat the hell out of him.
PS: If Senb0nzakura Enter this Topic Then This Will take forever Because She Will For sure say that the other Captain Would Win.

umm tough maybe mayuri is one the weakest captains due to the fact the he is a researcher not a fighter. Ishida did not beat him in his early stages. He has to take offf the glove. I believe that the from of ishida is almost or as strong as the one he is currently in. But it came with side effects...cause it was that strong. All am saying is that your analogy doesn't make sense. Your obviously a kenpachi fan. I don't particularly like or dislike mayuri. But i believe that Mayuri would win if given the chance to...due to kenpachi's cocky self...he'l probably get poisoned and paralyzed before having a chance to use his full power.

[stud_muffin22]

Someone said before that Ishida owned Mayuri. Yeah...NOOOOO!!!!!

Ishida was getting a run for his money until he used the Final Attack (the one that absorbs spirit particles from anything; b/c they were fighting in Soul Society where everything is made of spirit particles, Ishida gained a near insurmountable advantage) which obliterated Mayuri's bankai.

[TheGrowth]

Regarding Zaraki's speed. FWIW in Memories of Nobody in the final battle, he was moving at an incredible speed against the guy who cut him a few times.

REgarding this battle its going to be tough. You have got to think Mayuri has some type of technique to limit Zaraki's powers. Mayuri probably has files on every captain in SS and how to counter their abilities.

[Champola]

of course i'm gonna say that mayuri will win.. you don't know what tricks are on his sleeves.. just because he does not have the strength like the other captains it doesn't mean that he's weak..

and ishida did NOT pawn or own mayuri, ishida just got LUCKY that time, only because he took off his glove..

[stud_muffin22]

nah, I think mayuri wins this...

speaking of mayuri, we never did get the chance to see what Mayuri's bankai truly does b/c Ishida's QFF obliterated it almost instantaneously.

[ulqqie]

Mayuri would probably win.. his shikai is sick and his bankai is sick.

Guess it all comes down to how Kenny can deal with ze poison..however tito would probably give Zaraki enough reIaTzU tO diminizsh all poison from his uberbodei :(

edit: not only was ishida pwned to the ape-stage, he had no choice whatsoever to use his quincygayrelease

[SBowman]

Kenpachi. Mayuri is afraid of him.

[Meta]

Even though mayuri is somehow powered up since SS I don't think Kenpachi would handle any problems against him

[Sacrifice4]

If mayuri lands one good hit on kenpachi than kenpachi is doomed.

[Stuey_NaO]

Kenpachi would just use his insane reiatsu to counteract the poison/paralysis effects, well more than likely, with the poison he'd just keep going =/ lol..

Kenpachi, no doubts.

Stuey

[Nurse]

Zaraki will win on sheer power alone... poison or that baby-headed-ugly-slug bankai... Mayuri will end up losing.

[seanjohn6742]

mayuri

[Ichigo_Lover]

Mayuri because he could paralyze Zaraki.

[adfadfadf]

As I said in the other thread, I give this to Mayuri. Kenpachi is a badass, but Mayuri is just the worst opponent for him. Kenpachi seems to block or just take the hits, doesn't like to dodge. I really don't think he could just keep fighting while poisoned by Mayuri's shikai / bankai like it was nothing.. It may take a few more slashes than usual to paralyze Zaraki, but Mayuri is fairly fast. Even if Zaraki manages to slice Mayuri in half, he'd be able to recover / escape probably. Insane riatsu shouldn't make Zaraki immune to poison / illness. Ukitake can't just shrug off his condition, though that isn't really the same.

[Poopoomaru]

Kenpachi can't really dodge because he isn't fast enough to dodge like everyone else is, Kenpachi doesn't use Flash Steps, it states as such in the Databook. While he does this out of choice and how it is part of his style and preference and because he is so hardcore it doesn't end up mattering in most fights, that still means that he isn't proficient in the technique when he would be forced to fight someone where he could never allow himself to get hit or he would lose. Thus I would have to give it to whichever one got in a hit in first, since Kenpachi would cut through Mayuri like butter. Under those circumstances though I would have to give it to Mayuri since he is smart enough to think up a way to get in his single hit while Kenpachi refuses to resort to strategy in most any situation unless completely forced to.

[BiOCaAM]

Going with Mayuri on this one.

[+Blue+]

Mayuri because he could paralyze Zaraki.

I think its cute that you believe Mayuri would even get a hit on Zaraki. He ain't a dumbass like Ishida...

[kochito22]

mayuri'd probably use bankai and have the poison gas kill zaraki

[+Blue+]

mayuri'd probably use bankai and have the poison gas kill zaraki

Thats if Zaraki breathes it in before he cuts Mayuri in half along with his bankai...

[zangetsuclan]

mayuri would only win if scored a hit mayuri can use shunpo (i think) kenpachi cant so it possable that mayuri could win

[Darkmaterials]

Zaraki would destroy Mayuri, then drink the goo.

[Bur]

double k.o if mayuri got his bankai poison out in time, otherewise....FATALITY

[+Blue+]

mayuri would only win if scored a hit mayuri can use shunpo (i think) kenpachi cant so it possable that mayuri could win

Uh...Zaraki can use flash steps. He just doesn't like to, you must have missed when he did it in the ichigo fight. Why do you think he wears the bells?

[katen kyoukotsu]

Zaraki would destroy Mayuri, then drink the goo.

QFT

[Kingkon]

Mayuri

Mayuri uses Bankai then runs away, and please stop using Zaraki's reatsu as a reason he won't get poisoned because it doesn't stop a sword from cutting him why in the world would it stop poison from infecting his body!

Not to mention Mayuri's other "scientific" resource

[hell monster]

i really like zaraki but this time i dont think he would win cuz of that damn freak's poisons

[KING GRIMMJOW]

Zaraki would cut Mayuri up before he had a chance to release bankai

[TW501]

Kenpachi. Mayuri is not really a fighter, he just has a bunch of dirty tricks.

['Lex The Grey]

Mayuri will probably have information on every captain/vice-captain, so probably knows all their limits and weaknesses. I think this goes to Mayuri really.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

i do not know but i think kenpachi can win this because mayuri is afraid of him

[Delta]

To be honest, I don't see Mayuri winning this. To use his shikai on Kenpachi he would have to get close which guarantees him death. Kenpachi is not slow by any stretch of imagination (And if you think he is then please do everyone a favor and go read the manga/watch the anime before arguing). Mayuri's bankai I don't think would have much effect. Currently there is a debate going on in the Kenpachi vs Byakuya topic about the possibility of Kenpachi blowing away the petals with his reiatsu alone. Even if he can't blow them away I am pretty sure he would be able to blow away a little bit of gas. So, in essence there is nothing that bankai can do to Kenpachi.

[UltimateWarrior]

Zaraki would win

[UnadvisedGoose]

i do not know but i think kenpachi can win this because mayuri is afraid of him


QFT please. I cant find wherever he says or indicates this in the manga and i dont remember it.

[lightxdark]

I don't know... Mayuri can probably come up with something... he IS the new head of the technology thingy ... He also made that eyepatch thing for Zaraki, so I don't know, inconclusive due to the fact that we have no idea what kind of gizmos 12th division is cooking up.

[Delta]

I don't know... Mayuri can probably come up with something... he IS the new head of the technology thingy ... He also made that eyepatch thing for Zaraki, so I don't know, inconclusive due to the fact that we have no idea what kind of gizmos 12th division is cooking up.

I don't see the point of basing this on something as inconclusive as what might happen. There would be way too many "ifs" such as: what if Kenpacho during the fight learns his sword's name, what if Mayuri has a heart attack in the middle of the fight because of all of the experiments he's conducted on himself, or what if Kenpachi slips on a rock, cracks his head open and dies?

-Delta

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

QFT please. I cant find wherever he says or indicates this in the manga and i dont remember it.

when he tried to kill ikaku and he fleds because zaraki arrives

[Darkmaterials]

when he tried to kill ikaku and he fleds because zaraki arrives


Edit: I can see where it happened, it doesn't show that Mayuri was scared of Zaraki though, it could just be that he is scared of being caught breaking the rules.

[kochito22]

when he tried to kill ikaku and he fleds because zaraki arrives

i don't remember him trying to kill ikkaku. what i do remember was mayuri trying to interrogate ikkaku and was caught punishing a member of another squad. it may not have been zaraki that mayuri was scared of, but being caught in the act of breaking the rules.

edit: my post was jacked in an editing

[MCAV]

It was episode 29, around 16 minutes.
Check it out.

Zaraki would win, unless Mayuri is able to cut him with his shi-kai and paralyse him...

[lightxdark]

I don't see the point of basing this on something as inconclusive as what might happen. There would be way too many "ifs" such as: what if Kenpacho during the fight learns his sword's name, what if Mayuri has a heart attack in the middle of the fight because of all of the experiments he's conducted on himself, or what if Kenpachi slips on a rock, cracks his head open and dies?

-Delta

It's true, it's in speculation. But are you telling me that the Institute of Technology or whatever is useless shit? You're underestimating mayuri. And people know im a kenpachi fan. And mind you Kisuke was once the leader of that division, all of his experiments and inventions were passed down to mayuri, and with time, doesn't technology evolve? Get serious.

[Delta]

It's true, it's in speculation. But are you telling me that the Institute of Technology or whatever is useless shit? You're underestimating mayuri. And people know im a kenpachi fan. And mind you Kisuke was once the leader of that division, all of his experiments and inventions were passed down to mayuri, and with time, doesn't technology evolve? Get serious.

No, I'm not saying it's useless. I am saying that you can't give Mayuri a win based on something that we have no proof even exists. It's quite obvious to me that Urahara is by far a supperior scientist to Mayuri and it's quite possible that Mayuri is unable to understand how some of the inventions work. That is ofcourse under a rather large assumption that Urahara actually left the actual devices (inventions) there. Besides, if we were to assume that Mayuri has some trick up his sleeve then why not assume that Kenpachi was hiding more than just Kendo? Maybe he has something hidden as well.
-Delta

[lightxdark]

No, I'm not saying it's useless. I am saying that you can't give Mayuri a win based on something that we have no proof even exists. It's quite obvious to me that Urahara is by far a supperior scientist to Mayuri and it's quite possible that Mayuri is unable to understand how some of the inventions work. That is ofcourse under a rather large assumption that Urahara actually left the actual devices (inventions) there. Besides, if we were to assume that Mayuri has some trick up his sleeve then why not assume that Kenpachi was hiding more than just Kendo? Maybe he has something hidden as well.
-Delta

Are you kidding? So are you telling me that you're doubting Mayuri's large intellect? It's inconclusive. Both sides can win, that's the answer; don't discredit Mayuri, it's not OBVIOUS that Urahara is superior, you have no evidence to prove it, they can be on equal footing in terms of knowledge for all we know.

It's inconclusive.

[kochito22]

No, I'm not saying it's useless. I am saying that you can't give Mayuri a win based on something that we have no proof even exists. It's quite obvious to me that Urahara is by far a supperior scientist to Mayuri and it's quite possible that Mayuri is unable to understand how some of the inventions work. That is ofcourse under a rather large assumption that Urahara actually left the actual devices (inventions) there. Besides, if we were to assume that Mayuri has some trick up his sleeve then why not assume that Kenpachi was hiding more than just Kendo? Maybe he has something hidden as well.
-Delta

it's not even worth saying that mayuri might have something up his sleeve. he alwalys has something up his sleeve. his fight with espada 8 was just outrageous

[Gathon Hesuru]

I'd say it'd probably go to whomever got the first hit in. If Zaraki hit Mayuri first...He'd could very well be dead from that alone, (though if Zaraki used both hands and without limits, I'm pretty sure he would be dead after that one hit) and Mayuri could paralyze Zaraki with his Shi-Kai if he hit Zaraki first.

[Delta]

Are you kidding? So are you telling me that you're doubting Mayuri's large intellect? It's inconclusive. Both sides can win, that's the answer; don't discredit Mayuri, it's not OBVIOUS that Urahara is superior, you have no evidence to prove it, they can be on equal footing in terms of knowledge for all we know.

It's inconclusive.

If they were on equal footing in terms of knowledge then why would Yamamoto ask Urahara, a captain he likely helped exile, for help as opposed to asking his current captain of technology?

And no, I am not saying that Mayuri is not extremely intelligent - he has proven to be otherwise on several occasions. I am simply saying that a match can't be called based on something of which existence we have no evidence of. Another thing I am saying is if you give Mayuri some sort of a trick why does Kenpachi not get one as well? He has shown to hide things which make battles boring for him. What if he suddenly decided to pull whatever that may be out after Mayuri does so with his trick? All I am saying is if you (and here I'll go into a metaphor) measure weight using scales and decide to add some weight to one side in order to keep the test valid you must do the same with the other side.

[kochito22]

I'd say it'd probably go to whomever got the first hit in. If Zaraki hit Mayuri first...He'd could very well be dead from that alone, (though if Zaraki used both hands and without limits, I'm pretty sure he would be dead after that one hit) and Mayuri could paralyze Zaraki with his Shi-Kai if he hit Zaraki first.

come on now. mayuri may be soft but he's still a captain. i don't think that one hit would kill him

[Gathon Hesuru]

But two hits from Zaraki's Kendo did finish off Nnoitra, who had, at least according to him, "the strongest hierro out of all the arrancar". He could withstand hits just as well as Kenpachi could.

[Cursed]

Did you guys not take into account Mayuri's bankai which kills everything that breathes the poison in?

[tsurugi]

Mayuri is very underhanded....and has a strategy for everything....im sure theres something he can concoct to defeat Kenpachi....so im going w/ Mayuri despite the fact that i am a 11th division man myself

[lightxdark]

If they were on equal footing in terms of knowledge then why would Yamamoto ask Urahara, a captain he likely helped exile, for help as opposed to asking his current captain of technology?

And no, I am not saying that Mayuri is not extremely intelligent - he has proven to be otherwise on several occasions. I am simply saying that a match can't be called based on something of which existence we have no evidence of. Another thing I am saying is if you give Mayuri some sort of a trick why does Kenpachi not get one as well? He has shown to hide things which make battles boring for him. What if he suddenly decided to pull whatever that may be out after Mayuri does so with his trick? All I am saying is if you (and here I'll go into a metaphor) measure weight using scales and decide to add some weight to one side in order to keep the test valid you must do the same with the other side.

Why would Yamamoto ask Urahara? Because Urahara has more experienced than Mayuri, not to mention the fact that Urahara is; in terms of strength and agility superior to Mayuri. I'm saying their intellect could be on par with each other.

So you're saying that we don't have the evidence to support Mayuri's intellect? How about Nemu Kurotsuchi? His VC? She's the result of the Mod Soul experiments and the Gigai experiments that Kisuke "started". Why does Mayuri have more "tricks" up his sleeve than Kenpachi? Solely based on the fact that he is the captain of 12th Division. Kenpachi might have something up his sleeve, but the probability of that success over Mayuri's ability to analyze and reroute is just higher than Kenpachi's brute strength approach.

HOWEVER, This does not mean that I think that Mayuri will win, all I'm saying is that people who believe that Mayuri will get destroyed is an absolute fool.

I believe that Kenpachi would win, on the account that he has no battle plan. Since Kenpachi doesn't really "think" in battle he has the ability to throw-off Mayuri's calculations. Also I want to link this page in the manga that can be inferred as Mayuri's "thoughts" of Kenpachi.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-8.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-9.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-10.html

[densetsu_eikyou]

I'm confused. I read somewhere in here that said this is the worse possible match-up for Zaraki (and thats saying something considering how long Zaraki vs Byakuya is) but unless Mayuri is so weak he can't even cut Zaraki wouldn't mayuri win. His shikai [revents movement, and he is fighting against Zaraki who is known for not dodging but just taking hits and shrugging it off. So if Mayuri cuts zaraki's arm Zaraki can either not fight or be like ikkuku and fight w/ either hand. either way kendo is out and if he is cut on the other hand Zaraki is done. Not to mention:
Did you guys not take into account Mayuri's bankai which kills everything that breathes the poison in? Now i'm not saying zaraki has less reitsu or strength (b/c i'm pretty sure he does) but come on Mayuri's Zan's abilities are ridiculas.

To lightxdark I'm not sure what those pages were supposed to show us. mayuri thinks Zaraki is a beast. That didn't seem to be a complement.

[lightxdark]

I'm confused. I read somewhere in here that said this is the worse possible match-up for Zaraki (and thats saying something considering how long Zaraki vs Byakuya is) but unless Mayuri is so weak he can't even cut Zaraki wouldn't mayuri win. His shikai [revents movement, and he is fighting against Zaraki who is known for not dodging but just taking hits and shrugging it off. So if Mayuri cuts zaraki's arm Zaraki can either not fight or be like ikkuku and fight w/ either hand. either way kendo is out and if he is cut on the other hand Zaraki is done. Not to mention:
Now i'm not saying zaraki has less reitsu or strength (b/c i'm pretty sure he does) but come on Mayuri's Zan's abilities are ridiculas.

To lightxdark I'm not sure what those pages were supposed to show us. mayuri thinks Zaraki is a beast. That didn't seem to be a complement.

Mayuri thinks Zaraki is a beast, he prevented Renji from his death. He shows a type of fear to Zaraki, to my interpretation.

[thereaper]

Finally, a Kenpachi match that doesn't involve him against someone perfectly suited to dealing with him. :amazed:

Mayuri is smart. Kenpachi is also smart (in his own twisted way). Kenpachi is smart enough to know that the longer he lets Mayuri live in a serious fight, the lower his chances of survival. So, what is he gonna do? He's gonna run right up to Kurotsuchi and kill him in a single slice. Kurotsuchi is fast, but it doesn't seem to be nearly the "OMG, C4PT41NZ C4N B4R3LY S33 M3 M0V3!!!!1!one!" speed that Bankai Ichigo and Grimmjow have. Even before learning shunpo, Ichigo could see and block a shunpo-then-slash-attack from Byakuya. And unlike Kurotsuchi, Kenpachi doesn't do anything but fight with swords. No dabbling in kidou or science or any of that nonsense. So, he'll likely be able to avoid being paralyzed if he knows what he's up against. And if Mayuri releases, Kenpachi will simply cut it down and then kill the now-defenseless Mayuri (his zanpakuto disappears while his bankai is active). He may or may not breathe in the poison, but Mayuri will die a lot sooner than Kenpachi, making Kenpachi the victor (pyrrhic victory or not). This is one fight where Kenpachi's fighting style gives him the edge.

[PinkDye]

Zaraki...

His rieatsu is powerful enough

[densetsu_eikyou]

Mayuri thinks Zaraki is a beast, he prevented Renji from his death. He shows a type of fear to Zaraki, to my interpretation. Renji would have died if he interfered in the Noi/Zaraki fight. I'm not sure how that shows fear in Mayuri. To me it showed he considered Zaraki an animal. Dying from some beast is the worse death could show some fear but also says i believe myself (and renji) to be above it. Do you get between two dogs fighting? No, possibly from fear but also its dogs, what do you care? And who says you can't beat a dog?

So, he'll likely be able to avoid being paralyzed if he knows what he's up against. How would he know what he is up against. And this is Zaraki who likes fights to be long. No way he is just going to kill him right off the bat.

He may or may not breathe in the poison,No one but Mayuri and Nemu (maybe her) can breathe in the poison.

Kurotsuchi is fast, but it doesn't seem to be nearly the "OMG, C4PT41NZ C4N B4R3LY S33 M3 M0V3!!!!1!one!" speed that Bankai Ichigo and Grimmjow have. Even before learning shunpo, Ichigo could see and block a shunpo-then-slash-attack from Byakuya.Which means he could dodge or block Zaraki.

And if Mayuri releases, Kenpachi will simply cut it downHow is he cutting a Bankai the length of a block and a couple stories high? And he is being poisoned the second the Bankai comes out.
Finally, a Kenpachi match that doesn't involve him against someone perfectly suited to dealing with himUnfortunately, this guy is even more suited to deal w/ Zaraki than anyone else.

[+Blue+]

But two hits from Zaraki's Kendo did finish off Nnoitra

No it was one Kendo hit, and a normal strike. You can see him only using one hand for the second attack.

[lightxdark]

Renji would have died if he interfered in the Noi/Zaraki fight. I'm not sure how that shows fear in Mayuri. To me it showed he considered Zaraki an animal. Dying from some beast is the worse death could show some fear but also says i believe myself (and renji) to be above it. Do you get between two dogs fighting? No, possibly from fear but also its dogs, what do you care? And who says you can't beat a dog?

He considered Zaraki an animal, instincts of an animal, strength of an animal... Kurotsuchi Mayuri knows that if he joined the fight to kill Nnoitora, Kenpachi would most likely attack him too. That's how I perceived it. And you wouldn't go in between two dogs fighting with the mentality of "I don't want to get bitten, that shit hurts".

[densetsu_eikyou]

Agreed. Zaraki would swing on Mayuri also. That doesn't mean he could beat him. Unless Zaraki did it before he released his zan.

[thereaper]

Renji would have died if he interfered in the Noi/Zaraki fight. I'm not sure how that shows fear in Mayuri. To me it showed he considered Zaraki an animal. Dying from some beast is the worse death could show some fear but also says i believe myself (and renji) to be above it. Do you get between two dogs fighting? No, possibly from fear but also its dogs, what do you care? And who says you can't beat a dog?

How would he know what he is up against. And this is Zaraki who likes fights to be long. No way he is just going to kill him right off the bat.

No one but Mayuri and Nemu (maybe her) can breathe in the poison.

Which means he could dodge or block Zaraki.

How is he cutting a Bankai the length of a block and a couple stories high? And he is being poisoned the second the Bankai comes out.
Unfortunately, this guy is even more suited to deal w/ Zaraki than anyone else.

Same way he cut down Nnoitra and that building in the fight with Ichigo.

When I post on the match-ups, I do it under the assumption that neither fighter has any unfair advantages like better knowledge of the other (otherwise, it's not their fighting abilities we're comparing, but their knowledge).

Yes, Mayuri can block or dodge Kenpachi's attacks. So Kenpachi won't get paralyzed, and Mayuri won't get killed. Problem is, Kenpachi is almost certainly a better sword fighter.

[densetsu_eikyou]

Same way he cut down Nnoitra and that building in the fight with Ichigo.
Buildings are not Bankai's. Noi was his size and thus a sword could cut through him.
When I post on the match-ups, I do it under the assumption that neither fighter has any unfair advantages like better knowledge of the other (otherwise, it's not their fighting abilities we're comparing, but their knowledge). That is fine. I assume they don't know each others abilities b/c in the series they don't. that's how real fights are. The fact that Zaraki has no special ability doesn't mean one knows more about the other.
Yes, Mayuri can block or dodge Kenpachi's attacks. So Kenpachi won't get paralyzed, and Mayuri won't get killed. Problem is, Kenpachi is almost certainly a better sword fighter. Almost certainly a better sword fighter, but that doesn't mean he wins.

[4GeTmE]

Explain to me how Zaraki survives Mayura's bankai?Cut it in half the second he releases it?He needs to get close to cut it in half and therefore he would get poisoned.Unless he can survive the deadly poison,Mayuri takes this.And i agree with densetsu.Mayuri is the most suited one to fight Zaraki.His shikai and bankai against a near range fighter like Zaraki gives him a major advantage.

[troutpeoples]

Both would have their advantages: Kenpachi could win the fight with one hit, but if Mayuri dances around him (and he would) until one of his tricks works, he would win. It would depend on the territory as well, if it's a big open field (mayuri), if it's a teeny tiny room (kenpachi), if it's a mountain (either or), etc. If Mayuri just used poison, Kenpachi'd win; seriously, some pansy-ass poison ain't gonna even slow him down. If Mayuri uses the uber-slow-down stuff he used on Szayel, it wouldn't deter Kenpachi either. No, Mayuri would have to come up with something amazingly original and insane in order to get a victory.

All in all, it depends on the first strike. If Kenpachi's fast enough to swing before Mayuri blocks, the win's Kenpachi's. If Mayuri can dodge or block for all that it's worth, Mayuri has it made.

Either outcome would please me so, as this is indeed a battle made of win.

[thereaper]

Explain to me how Zaraki survives Mayura's bankai?Cut it in half the second he releases it?He needs to get close to cut it in half and therefore he would get poisoned.Unless he can survive the deadly poison,Mayuri takes this.And i agree with densetsu.Mayuri is the most suited one to fight Zaraki.His shikai and bankai against a near range fighter like Zaraki gives him a major advantage.

I'm not saying he lives. I'm saying he kills Mayuri before the poison kills him, just as Uryuu was able to shoot Mayuri, have a conversation with Nemu, and then drink the antidote before dying. Kenpachi would die afterwards, sure, but the "victory" is Kenpachi's (at least in the sense that he lasted longer).

Buildings may not be bankai's, but try to tell me that a bankai whose primary purpose is to poison the enemy is stronger than the hide of the 5th espada. Kenpachi doesn't even have to cut it in half or anything, just cut it and destroy it.

[Fornicaras]

Both would have their advantages: Kenpachi could win the fight with one hit, but if Mayuri dances around him (and he would) until one of his tricks works, he would win. It would depend on the territory as well, if it's a big open field (mayuri), if it's a teeny tiny room (kenpachi), if it's a mountain (either or), etc. If Mayuri just used poison, Kenpachi'd win; seriously, some pansy-ass poison ain't gonna even slow him down. If Mayuri uses the uber-slow-down stuff he used on Szayel, it wouldn't deter Kenpachi either. No, Mayuri would have to come up with something amazingly original and insane in order to get a victory.

All in all, it depends on the first strike. If Kenpachi's fast enough to swing before Mayuri blocks, the win's Kenpachi's. If Mayuri can dodge or block for all that it's worth, Mayuri has it made.

Either outcome would please me so, as this is indeed a battle made of win.


How the hell do you know that poison wouldn't affect Kenpachi? Seriously, your post was great up until that part. Just because he has alot of reiatsu doesn't mean shit. If he gets poisoned, he's fucked.

Mayuri wins.

[densetsu_eikyou]

Buildings may not be bankai's, but try to tell me that a bankai whose primary purpose is to poison the enemy is stronger than the hide of the 5th espada. Kenpachi doesn't even have to cut it in half or anything, just cut it and destroy it. Let's assume the bankai is weaker than the hide of the 5th espada, Zaraki still has to get close to it to hit it. Mayuri unleashed his bankai no where near Ishida and he was still poisoned. so Zaraki would have to run into the poison to get the hit. Once he is poisoned he has lost. Mayuri would just dodge or something until Zaraki dies.

[Delta]

Why would Yamamoto ask Urahara? Because Urahara has more experienced than Mayuri, not to mention the fact that Urahara is; in terms of strength and agility superior to Mayuri. I'm saying their intellect could be on par with each other.

So you're saying that we don't have the evidence to support Mayuri's intellect? How about Nemu Kurotsuchi? His VC? She's the result of the Mod Soul experiments and the Gigai experiments that Kisuke "started". Why does Mayuri have more "tricks" up his sleeve than Kenpachi? Solely based on the fact that he is the captain of 12th Division. Kenpachi might have something up his sleeve, but the probability of that success over Mayuri's ability to analyze and reroute is just higher than Kenpachi's brute strength approach.

HOWEVER, This does not mean that I think that Mayuri will win, all I'm saying is that people who believe that Mayuri will get destroyed is an absolute fool.

I believe that Kenpachi would win, on the account that he has no battle plan. Since Kenpachi doesn't really "think" in battle he has the ability to throw-off Mayuri's calculations. Also I want to link this page in the manga that can be inferred as Mayuri's "thoughts" of Kenpachi.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-8.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-9.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-308-page-10.html

But agility and power have nothing to do with a scientific topic. He may as well have asked Mayuri, unless Mayuri is unable to accomplish the task.

No, I am saying the opposite. I am saying that Mayuri is intelligent.

Lightxdark - from this point this is not a reply to your post, only the things above. This is just to the general things I noticed others saying.
For the argument that Mayuri is head of the technological division and therefore wins:
Kenpachi is the head of the division of warriors. This is a fight, not a science experiment. Do the math.

"Mayuri has an awesome shikai, therefore he wins."
Wrong. To use his shikai he would need to be able to match Kenpachi in swordsmanship. He is not even close to Kenpachi's level and therefore (if we consider this to be an actual fight) Kenpachi would not get hit.

"Mayuri has bankai, therefore he wins."
Did anyone notice how slow that bankai is? A snail could get away from it.

"Mayuri could just liquidate himself and run away until he comes up with a strategy to win."
What would you call that? If you saw two people fighting, you knew one was stronger and the other smarter, and then you saw the smart weak kid run away screaming, "Hold on, I'll be back when I figure out how to beat you!" would you ever say he won the fight? As far as I am concerned, running away from a fight to that particular fight is called a loss.

[densetsu_eikyou]

For the argument that Mayuri is head of the technological division and therefore wins:
Kenpachi is the head of the division of warriors. This is a fight, not a science experiment. Do the math.
"Mayuri has an awesome shikai, therefore he wins."
Wrong. To use his shikai he would need to be able to match Kenpachi in swordsmanship. He is not even close to Kenpachi's level and therefore (if we consider this to be an actual fight) Kenpachi would not get hit.
Zaraki likes taking hits and got hit by a 15 year old who had shinigami powers for four months. His great swordmanship didn't stop that from happening. But a captain for 100 years can't hit him.
Mayuri has bankai, therefore he wins."
Did anyone notice how slow that bankai is? A snail could get away from it Ishida couldn't get away from its effects b/c they are in the air. And if Zaraki runs away (he won't do that) he has lost since he ran away from the fight, as you have stated.

[Delta]

Zaraki likes taking hits and got hit by a 15 year old who had shinigami powers for four months. His great swordmanship didn't stop that from happening. But a captain for 100 years can't hit him.
Ishida couldn't get away from its effects b/c they are in the air. And if Zaraki runs away (he won't do that) he has lost since he ran away from the fight, as you have stated.
That same 15 year old also "beat" Byakuya and Grimmjaw. He also sent a powerful attack at Ulq that Ulq had to use 2 hands to block. These are not feats Mayuri could ever hope to achieve.

Zaraki wouldn't run away from the fight, he'd just have to get behind the bankai before it turns around and cut it into ribbons. Besides, you saw the air circulation when Kenpachi let loose his reiatsu, that poison wouldn't get anywhere near his body.

[Shimetsu]

Hard to say...... I would just say Zaraki just for the fact that we still don't know the full scope of his power yet and Kurotsuchi's power has been shown. Even tho I would admit that kurotsuchi holds the advantage in a drawn out fight, But then again he wouldn't even attempt to fight Zaraki.

[vj104]

i think kenpachi would win. i think if kenpachi knows mayuri's shikai he would try to avoid getting cut by it. but if he gets cut by his shikai i would say the fight would go to mayuri. kenpachi would not be stopped by mayuri's bankai. i think he would withstand the piercing of the blades. the poison would affect him, but he would defeat mayuri before it becomes an issue.

[lightxdark]

But agility and power have nothing to do with a scientific topic. He may as well have asked Mayuri, unless Mayuri is unable to accomplish the task.

No, I am saying the opposite. I am saying that Mayuri is intelligent.

Lightxdark - from this point this is not a reply to your post, only the things above. This is just to the general things I noticed others saying.
For the argument that Mayuri is head of the technological division and therefore wins:
Kenpachi is the head of the division of warriors. This is a fight, not a science experiment. Do the math.

"Mayuri has an awesome shikai, therefore he wins."
Wrong. To use his shikai he would need to be able to match Kenpachi in swordsmanship. He is not even close to Kenpachi's level and therefore (if we consider this to be an actual fight) Kenpachi would not get hit.

"Mayuri has bankai, therefore he wins."
Did anyone notice how slow that bankai is? A snail could get away from it.

"Mayuri could just liquidate himself and run away until he comes up with a strategy to win."
What would you call that? If you saw two people fighting, you knew one was stronger and the other smarter, and then you saw the smart weak kid run away screaming, "Hold on, I'll be back when I figure out how to beat you!" would you ever say he won the fight? As far as I am concerned, running away from a fight to that particular fight is called a loss.

Well Said.

[densetsu_eikyou]

That same 15 year old also "beat" Byakuya and Grimmjaw. He also sent a powerful attack at Ulq that Ulq had to use 2 hands to block. These are not feats Mayuri could ever hope to achieve. Agreed but you said Mayuri couldn't cut Zaraki. Why do you believe a captain can not cut another one especially one who has been cut by Ichigo right after he defeated Renji. He was at a VC level then.
Zaraki wouldn't run away from the fight, he'd just have to get behind the bankai before it turns around and cut it into ribbons. Besides, you saw the air circulation when Kenpachi let loose his reiatsu, that poison wouldn't get anywhere near his body. I'm not sure how or why you think e can get behind the Bankai, Ishida didn't. As for air circulation i'm not sure what you are talking about. However, FF quincy ishida used spiritual particles to make his attack. everything in SS is made if spiritual particles (assumibly the air as well) he still got poisoned so i doubt Zaraki wouldn't.

[+Blue+]

Kenpachi and Mayuri are my two favorite Captains, so this fight really interests me.


Kenpachi is the head of the division of warriors. This is a fight, not a science experiment. Do the math.

Wow...so by your logic Kenpachi can beat any captain because he is in charge of a division that favor's swordmanship? I love Kenpachi but even I must call you a fanboy.

"Mayuri has an awesome shikai, therefore he wins."
Wrong. To use his shikai he would need to be able to match Kenpachi in swordsmanship. He is not even close to Kenpachi's level and therefore (if we consider this to be an actual fight) Kenpachi would not get hit.

Dude Kenpachi could go toe to toe with faster characters but the problem is Mayuri only needs one hit...and yes Kenpachi can get cut by Mayuri.

"Mayuri has bankai, therefore he wins."
Did anyone notice how slow that bankai is? A snail could get away from it.

Way to exaggerate! You seem to have a talent for it!

"Mayuri could just liquidate himself and run away until he comes up with a strategy to win."
What would you call that? If you saw two people fighting, you knew one was stronger and the other smarter, and then you saw the smart weak kid run away screaming, "Hold on, I'll be back when I figure out how to beat you!" would you ever say he won the fight? As far as I am concerned, running away from a fight to that particular fight is called a loss.

I don't think Mayuri would need to do this...but if he did, yeah i for one would call hit a win. Winning is winning, time it takes means nothing. Honestly by your logic Batman doesn't deserve any of his victories because he took time to plan out a strategy.

[Delta]

Agreed but you said Mayuri couldn't cut Zaraki. Why do you believe a captain can not cut another one especially one who has been cut by Ichigo right after he defeated Renji. He was at a VC level then.
I'm not sure how or why you think e can get behind the Bankai, Ishida didn't. As for air circulation i'm not sure what you are talking about. However, FF quincy ishida used spiritual particles to make his attack. everything in SS is made if spiritual particles (assumibly the air as well) he still got poisoned so i doubt Zaraki wouldn't.
It's not that he isn't strong enough to cut him, I believe he wouldn't be able to get past Kenpachi's defense.

Getting around and then behind the bankai shouldn't be too difficult as it is very slow. As for air circulation, if you look at the Kenpachi vs. Ichigo fight you'll see that when they released their reiatsus something similar to a vortex was created :)
Kenpachi and Mayuri are my two favorite Captains, so this fight really interests me.




Wow...so by your logic Kenpachi can beat any captain because he is in charge of a division that favor's swordmanship? I love Kenpachi but even I must call you a fanboy.



Dude Kenpachi could go toe to toe with faster characters but the problem is Mayuri only needs one hit...and yes Kenpachi can get cut by Mayuri.



Way to exaggerate! You seem to have a talent for it!



I don't think Mayuri would need to do this...but if he did, yeah i for one would call hit a win. Winning is winning, time it takes means nothing. Honestly by your logic Batman doesn't deserve any of his victories because he took time to plan out a strategy.

Actually no, I don't think he could beat several of the captains. I only brought it up to show that being at the head of one division would not provide an advantage. And no, I am not a fanboy as I judge fights based on logic and my knowledge of Bleach. The Kenpachi vs. Byakuya thread for example shows that I will vote for the character I believe to have the best chance of winning. In that thread btw, you showed yourself to be a huge fanboy.

Go watch the battles in which Mayuri's bankai shows. It is extremely slow.

Here's another way to explain it t you: imagine a war. One country's army is competely physically inferior to the other. The generals of the inferior army decide to retreat in order to come up with a strategy before their army gets decimated. By all historical accounts that battle would be considered a loss for them, regardless of whether they later come back to win the war or not. Another example: Ichiho vs. Aizen. Would you say the winner of their fight was Ichigo? I doubt it, but guess what? He'll likely defeat him later on. I hope you get what I meant now.

As for Mayuri cutting Kenpachi, look higher in the post.

[+Blue+]

In that thread btw, you showed yourself to be a huge fanboy.

Tell me where I showed myself to be a fanboy please, because I supported all my opinions in the Zaraki vs. Byakuya thread. I was mainly defending Kenpachi in that thread because people were making a bunch of bullshit claims, much like you are doing in this thread.

Your the one saying that Mayuri wouldn't be able to hit Kenpachi. Whenever a person says one character can't hit another that just screams fanboy...jackass.

Just because I called you a fanboy you felt the need to call me one, even though I really don't know who would win quite honestly Mayuri and Kenpachi are both talented Captains.

[densetsu_eikyou]

It's not that he isn't strong enough to cut him, I believe he wouldn't be able to get past Kenpachi's defense. if Zaraki knows what the shikai does then maybe he blocks all of it. If not the guy who takes hits will take a hit and be screwed.

Getting around and then behind the bankai shouldn't be too difficult as it is very slow. As for air circulation, if you look at the Kenpachi vs. Ichigo fight you'll see that when they released their reiatsus something similar to a vortex was created :) Again Ishida didn't do it and he was quite fast. as for reitsu clashing and being released Ishida had acrazy amount of reitsu and was still poisoned. You seem to believe that reitsu will stop air from coming towaord Zaraki. First, Mauri would have thoughtof that b/c he is a captain and therefore has a lot of reitsu. and Secondly, i don't think it works that way since then they can't breathe. As for Mayuri retreating, this is a match-up thread, unless it is stated he can run away and train he lost once he ran away.m

[Arkade]

This is an interesting fight. While I no doubt believe Zaraki Kenpachi is the more powerful of the two, I think he would actually lose this fight. The main factor in his loss is the fact that he often allows himself to be cut and he can't afford to do that against Mayuri's shikai. Kenpachi likely knows this, but I don't think he could avoid every hit even if he tried considering he's not shown any ability to use shunpo while Mayuri used it liberally in his fight with Uryu. Basically it comes down to the fact that as powerful as Kenpachi is, his fighting style works against him here. His lack of a ranged attack and the fact that you can't manually "overpower" poison leaves him in a bad position. Mayuri wins, but not without taking some damage in the process.

[Delta]

Tell me where I showed myself to be a fanboy please, because I supported all my opinions in the Zaraki vs. Byakuya thread. I was mainly defending Kenpachi in that thread because people were making a bunch of bullshit claims, much like you are doing in this thread.

Your the one saying that Mayuri wouldn't be able to hit Kenpachi. Whenever a person says one character can't hit another that just screams fanboy...jackass.

Just because I called you a fanboy you felt the need to call me one, even though I really don't know who would win quite honestly Mayuri and Kenpachi are both talented Captains.
Part 1:
http://forums.bleachexile.com/showthread.php?p=988431#post988431 <- Your point 2 is extreme fanboyism.

http://forums.bleachexile.com/showthread.php?p=1036455#post1036455 <- Petals can't cut Kenpachi? Right. Because Tousen had no problems would you also say Tousen is stronger than Byakuya?
Anyways, this isn't the thread to discuss who is a fanboy and who isn't, nor is it the thread to insult people. If you disagree then state your opinion without extra commentary on the person.

Part 2:
Right. Let me show my "fanboyism" then. Kira will never hit Yoruichi, Soi Fon, Yamamoto, Aizen, Byakuya, Ulquiorra, Bankai Ichigo, etc. Should I go on?
Besides, saying that Mayuri can out duel Kenpachi in swordsmanship is like you going in to a tournament and fencing against the world champion. That is a valid comparison as Mayuri is one of the worst (if not the worst) swordsman captain level shinigami whereas Kenpachi is one of the best.

Part 3: I agree, they are both talented captains.
if Zaraki knows what the shikai does then maybe he blocks all of it. If not the guy who takes hits will take a hit and be screwed.

Again Ishida didn't do it and he was quite fast. as for reitsu clashing and being released Ishida had acrazy amount of reitsu and was still poisoned. You seem to believe that reitsu will stop air from coming towaord Zaraki. First, Mauri would have thoughtof that b/c he is a captain and therefore has a lot of reitsu. and Secondly, i don't think it works that way since then they can't breathe. As for Mayuri retreating, this is a match-up thread, unless it is stated he can run away and train he lost once he ran away.m
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-113-page-4.html
That's what I was referring to as the vortex. As you can see there is heavy air movement and it's likely the gas that's being released (as we can see when Mayuri goes bankai the gas is heavier than air) would simply get pushed away by the rapidly moving oxygen. When Ishida fought I didn't see anything of the sort, though I don't remember the fight particularly well. I may be mistaken.

As for Kenpachi taking hits, he usually does but except for Ichigo I've never seen him give that free shot. I am sure Kenpachi is intelligent enough not to get hit by Mayuri as he doesn't know what it might do to him. Though I may be wrong here as well. Just that if it came down to it and Kenpachi didn't want to get hit, he wouldn't as he's the superior swordsman.

This is an interesting fight. While I no doubt believe Zaraki Kenpachi is the more powerful of the two, I think he would actually lose this fight. The main factor in his loss is the fact that he often allows himself to be cut and he can't afford to do that against Mayuri's shikai. Kenpachi likely knows this, but I don't think he could avoid every hit even if he tried considering he's not shown any ability to use shunpo while Mayuri used it liberally in his fight with Uryu. Basically it comes down to the fact that as powerful as Kenpachi is, his fighting style works against him here. His lack of a ranged attack and the fact that you can't manually "overpower" poison leaves him in a bad position. Mayuri wins, but not without taking some damage in the process.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-103-page-12.html
followed by:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-103-page-13.html
:smile:

[lightxdark]

This is an interesting fight. While I no doubt believe Zaraki Kenpachi is the more powerful of the two, I think he would actually lose this fight. The main factor in his loss is the fact that he often allows himself to be cut and he can't afford to do that against Mayuri's shikai. Kenpachi likely knows this, but I don't think he could avoid every hit even if he tried considering he's not shown any ability to use shunpo while Mayuri used it liberally in his fight with Uryu. Basically it comes down to the fact that as powerful as Kenpachi is, his fighting style works against him here. His lack of a ranged attack and the fact that you can't manually "overpower" poison leaves him in a bad position. Mayuri wins, but not without taking some damage in the process.

He wouldn't let himself get cut if he knows that it'll kill the "fun" of the fight. He says it himself, he loves swinging his sword around, its the funnest shit out there. With that said im sure he wouldn't purposely get cut by Mayuri. Kenpachi's not a retard, if he know's something is fatal, he'll get serious.

[thereaper]

Let's assume the bankai is weaker than the hide of the 5th espada, Zaraki still has to get close to it to hit it. Mayuri unleashed his bankai no where near Ishida and he was still poisoned. so Zaraki would have to run into the poison to get the hit. Once he is poisoned he has lost. Mayuri would just dodge or something until Zaraki dies.

Hm. Good point. But you're assuming Kenpachi can't catch him. If Mayuri is just gonna flee the battle, that's not really a win, now is it? If he's staying put, well...

Mayuri is no Soi Fon. He knows shunpo, but that alone doesn't mean he can just dodge Kenpachi forever (or even necessarily for a long time). Ichigo is a perfect example of being able to fight someone who has shunpo even if you don't.

However, I will revise my opinion from a definite Kenpachi win to a situational one. If Kenpachi hits Mayuri after being poisoned, he wins. If Mayuri is lucky enough to dodge Kenpachi for however long it takes the poison to work, then he wins.

[Arkade]

He wouldn't let himself get cut if he knows that it'll kill the "fun" of the fight. He says it himself, he loves swinging his sword around, its the funnest shit out there. With that said im sure he wouldn't purposely get cut by Mayuri. Kenpachi's not a retard, if he know's something is fatal, he'll get serious.

Yes, I took this into consideration. For me it comes down to the fact that I don't think he could dodge every hit from Mayuri's shikai. Mayuri has shown to have decent speed. I'd say at least enough to keep up with Kenpachi. No doube Mayuri would take heavy damage in the process, but I thinke eventually he'd land a hit. Just my opinion though. :amused:

[Darkmaterials]

Yes, I took this into consideration. For me it comes down to the fact that I don't think he could dodge every hit from Mayuri's shikai. Mayuri has shown to have decent speed. I'd say at least enough to keep up with Kenpachi. No doube Mayuri would take heavy damage in the process, but I thinke eventually he'd land a hit. Just my opinion though. :amused:


From the whole turning into goop thing I don't think Mayuri is very good at taking damage.

[+Blue+]

From the whole turning into goop thing I don't think Mayuri is very good at taking damage.

Dude he gets his arms blown off without showing almost any pain, I say he is good at taking damage.

[Delta]

Dude he gets his arms blown off without showing almost any pain, I say he is good at taking damage.

Agreed. I don't really know if it's even possible to kill Mayuri to be honest. The loss I can see Mayuri suffering is him having to turn into some liquid or something of that sort and being unable to fight until later on. Though we still don't know what a single hit from Kenpachi would do to Mayuri.

[4GeTmE]

Mayuri's bankai is deadly.Tell me how he survives poison.

[Kingkon]

From the whole turning into goop thing I don't think Mayuri is very good at taking damage.

Half of his body was blown of by Ishada and you don't think he 's not ver good at taking damage? Not to mention he has been shown to be able to cure!

[caellwin]

well if he was good at taking damage he wouldn't have been blown half away.
Ken didn't lose his arms in his ichigo fight, or get nailed into the ground against Tousen and Saiji. He barely even was impaired by Nnorita going for fatal blows after blows. As far as we know he has only 'Lost' one fight in his entire history, to Ichigo, and that was more that his blade was broken.

[densetsu_eikyou]

well if he was good at taking damage he wouldn't have been blown half away.
Ken didn't lose his arms in his ichigo fight, or get nailed into the ground against Tousen and Saiji. He barely even was impaired by Nnorita going for fatal blows after blows. As far as we know he has only 'Lost' one fight in his entire history, to Ichigo, and that was more that his blade was broken. FF Ishida can put a whole in Zaraki. Noi did it. FF ishida limits are only how much sprirtual particles there are around him. If enough (and Zaraki suficiently far away so he can't kill him before the shot is fired) FF ishida can blow through Zaraki like he did Mayuri.
That's what I was referring to as the vortex. As you can see there is heavy air movement and it's likely the gas that's being released (as we can see when Mayuri goes bankai the gas is heavier than air) would simply get pushed away by the rapidly moving oxygen. When Ishida fought I didn't see anything of the sort, though I don't remember the fight particularly well. I may be mistaken.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-124-page-18.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-124-page-19.html
I/m not sure that's a vortex but they seem pretty similar to me. Ishida's arrows blow away air and he still was poisoned.

As for Kenpachi taking hits, he usually does but except for Ichigo I've never seen him give that free shot. I am sure Kenpachi is intelligent enough not to get hit by Mayuri as he doesn't know what it might do to him. Though I may be wrong here as well. Just that if it came down to it and Kenpachi didn't want to get hit, he wouldn't as he's the superior swordsman. he didn't care about Touson's shikai either. As not wanting to get hit, if he fast enough yeah he can dodge but i think he would still get cut. All mayuri has to do is cut his wrist and Zaraki is done.

[lightxdark]

well if he was good at taking damage he wouldn't have been blown half away.
Ken didn't lose his arms in his ichigo fight, or get nailed into the ground against Tousen and Saiji. He barely even was impaired by Nnorita going for fatal blows after blows. As far as we know he has only 'Lost' one fight in his entire history, to Ichigo, and that was more that his blade was broken.

THAT WAS A TIE! FANBOYISM FTW. /end sarcasm.
No really, it was a tie.

[shinji]

Mayuri has all these trick's under his sleeve so i would say a tie even if he can't take as much damage as zaraki he's still got that thing that grow's back his limb's also the poison would hender kenpachi.

He would properly last the longest and then in turn kill mayuri so then they would both die.

[Luune]

Mayuri's bankai is deadly.Tell me how he survives poison.

He could prolly blow it away with his reiatsu. Or he could breathe it in, get pissed, kill Mayuri, then die himself.

As for avoiding Mayuri's shikai, I think Zaraki is capable of not getting hit by it at all. Mayuri is a scientist first and foremost, Zaraki fights and that's it. It's probably safe to assume that Zaraki has far superior sword skills.

[+Blue+]

As for avoiding Mayuri's shikai, I think Zaraki is capable of not getting hit by it at all. Mayuri is a scientist first and foremost, Zaraki fights and that's it. It's probably safe to assume that Zaraki has far superior sword skills.

I agree that Kenpachi is better with a sword than Mayuri, but do you honestly think that Mayuri wouldn't be able to hit him once?

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

if mayuri did not use his shikai against szayel why he would use shikai against a captain? and i do not think mayuri is always with something against zaraki because they are captains because if you people give kurotsuchi time 2 use things that we do not know if he has then we can say that zaraki can win this with bankai

[Delta]

I agree that Kenpachi is better with a sword than Mayuri, but do you honestly think that Mayuri wouldn't be able to hit him once?

I think he may hit him once given enough oportunities. The problem lies in that by that time Kenpachi would have been able to hit him more than once and even a single hit would likely be enough to end the fight.

[+Blue+]

I think he may hit him once given enough oportunities. The problem lies in that by that time Kenpachi would have been able to hit him more than once and even a single hit would likely be enough to end the fight.

Mayuri is quite fast and can land a hit on Zaraki before taking to much damage. Even if he did, he has those regenerative serums. Oh and this isn't even including his bankai...

Kenpachi is a badass no doubt, but Mayuri will cause him problems. It all depends on how they choose to fight.

[4GeTmE]

He could prolly blow it away with his reiatsu. Or he could breathe it in, get pissed, kill Mayuri, then die himself.



Oh so now reiatsu can blow away poison..How cool is that?Then I guess Mayuri's bankai cant kill anyone cuz all they have to do is release their reitsu.
And exactly how does he kill Mayuri?The guy can turn into a state where he cannot be harmed and he can shunpo.He can leave Zaraki for dead after he's been poisoned and shunpos away or turn into liquid.

[+Blue+]

I agree with 4GeTmE, saying reiatsu can blow the poison away is just stupid...

[James_McCloud]

if mayuri did not use his shikai against szayel why he would use shikai against a captain? and i do not think mayuri is always with something against zaraki because they are captains because if you people give kurotsuchi time 2 use things that we do not know if he has then we can say that zaraki can win this with bankai

Lol, I agree, I love both Captains, and Mayuri sure is fearsome, but I think Kenpachi would win, if that Ishida was able to "win", I can not imagine Ken-chan losing against Kurotsuchi.

[+Blue+]

Lol, I agree, I love both Captains, and Mayuri sure is fearsome, but I think Kenpachi would win, if that Ishida was able to "win", I can not imagine Ken-chan losing against Kurotsuchi.

You have to remeber though, that Ishida only won because of some bullshit quincy "final form" he was getting raped up till he broke that glove. It was just some bullshit reason for him to win, just like with the Kenpachi/Ichigo fight.

[deathberry47]

I would say Mayuri would be winning at first but then Zaraki will come back and kick his ass.

[bankai753]

here is my theory: since zaraki sometimes hardly puts effort into dodging attacks he will probably get cut by marius shikai and that would leave his limbs paralyzed and than he could just deliver the final blow or call for his ban kai to do the job
than again if kenpachi would remove the eye-patch he could "maybe" somehow regain the limb control with enormous reiotsu
but the only way i see kenny win is by going all out with his speed and dodging to win the fight

[jodocast]

even tho im a kenpachi fan i have to go with mayuri on this one.
hes studied all the captains fighting styles be now and proply knows zaraki has alot of weaknesses,besides mayuri would've just gone bankai at the start and used the poison and just get it over with.

[+Blue+]

Even if Kenpachi defeats Mayuri, he would die from the poison moments later.

[bankai753]

hey blue ur 2nd sig is pretty tight =]

[+Blue+]

here is my theory: since zaraki sometimes hardly puts effort into dodging attacks he will probably get cut by marius shikai and that would leave his limbs paralyzed and than he could just deliver the final blow or call for his ban kai to do the job
than again if kenpachi would remove the eye-patch he could "maybe" somehow regain the limb control with enormous reiotsu
but the only way i see kenny win is by going all out with his speed and dodging to win the fight

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Kenpachi will need to take this fight seriously from the start, Mayuri isn't an opponent you can take lightly.

hey blue ur 2nd sig is pretty tight =]

Ha ha, one of the many perks of joining the 12th div.

[Playboy Joe]

I think the most of you underestimate Mayuri and overestimate Kenpachi.
Kenpachi is very strong, but his whole power is based on physical strenght. Of course he got a big Reiatsu, but Mayuri got it, too. And unlike Kenpachi Mayuri isn't a stupid berserk. Kenpachi is only a shinigami-swordfighter without other skills, Mayuri is a real shinigami. And he got one of mightiest zanpaktous.
The only reason why Mayuri had lost some limbs is, because he is the only char in the manga/anime who can regenerate his limbs^^. The others would lose them permanently if Inoue don't heal them.
And also Ishida's power got no real limits, because it depends on the spiritparticals arround him.
And Mayuri wouldn't hit Kenpachi only at once.
Kenpachi is very strong but Mayuri is a captain, too.
I think it would be a interessting and hard fight, but because of his abilities I think Mayuri would win.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

this fight is hard i love both characters these two are my favorite captains why god why are you doing this to me!!!! maybe both can die here in my point of view its a matter of luck

[iklips]

Although iklips in the 12th division, he can't say that Mayuri would win because Zaraki has always shown a lot of determination in fights. Mayuri definitely has the brains and Zaraki has the muscle. iklips thinks the fight would be just about even.

[Precious_Roy]

Did anyone ever think that Nemu might be used here?

I say this since like Mayuri I see her as himself does and only count her as a tool, object whatever it's his human slave who we all knows does kinky stuff with behind closed lab doors.

Anyways yeah, if Nemu was there how might Mayuri use her in this fight, first all look at the facts about Mayuri and his style, it's the other end of the spectrum to Kenpachis, tricks, decoys, bombs, dummies, flash step, creepy body with hidden weapons, poison, that creepy movement Mayuri seem to only do by moving in walls and stalking his prey before the fight, Mayuri is too smart.

1st thing Mayuri will do is stock up on any and all data on Kenpachi, and by how they act with one another it's safe to say Mayuri already knows of his style and how to fight him, Mayuri will do something like poison Kenpachi in his sleep over a all out fight if it works, but if it did come down to swords then there no way to say Kenpachi and Mayuri are equal since we never seen much backstory till now about Mayuri and his past, lets hope it shows him with some more swordplay.

Mayuri will win this, he already shown to be in the top 5 of Captains and KT himself said Mayuri was one of his favs to plot and draw on, it's only a matter of time before we find out more about Mayuri and then show up just what you people are crying about, now look at how this fight might go.

Kenpachi isn't dumb and will try to make the first swing if he can, and Mayuri knows this, if Mayuri was to engage in sword to sword combat then he must already have alot of data on his foe to do something so risky as swordplay, Mayuri will only lead Kenpachi into a trap or trick that will end this, long fights are good for Mayuri but short ones happen too, Nemu might be used as well to hold or suicide bomb or lure Kenpachi away with her hot tight ass, overall I like Mayuri but there too many Kenpachi fanboys in this thread that need to fess up and respect Mayuri as a better fighter, fighting is dirty and Mayuri is dirt(no really look up what Mayuri Kurosuchi means in jap or some shit it stands for Black Soil or something) the only person Mayuri be bad to fight with is Soi Fong, Soi Fong I can see mopping the floor with Mayuri since she might of known him in the Maggots Nest back all them years ago, everyone needs to keep up with the manga and then after we see more Mayuri guess this thread out more.

:oh:

[katen kyoukotsu]

Mayuri will win this, he already shown to be in the top 5 of Captains

:oh:

[Oxyuranus]

Mayuri will not win this fight. The poison of his shikai and banki will not matter because he wont be able to land a hit on Zarkai. Mayuri physical strength is so far behind kepachi's that its not even an issue. Kenpachi most likely knows the effects of his shikai and banki and wouldnt allow himself to be hit by them because I dont think being poisoned would be his idea of fun. Kenpachi's reaction speed will assure Mayuri wouldnt land a hit making his shikai useless. Kenpachi posses the speed and ability to kill Mayuri or atleast disable him before he could banki and even if he did, considering the slowness of Mayuri's stupid slug thing kenpachi would easily maneuver around and hack down Mayuri and run out of range before its poison was even an issue. Weather kenpachi can shupuno or not he is fast as has been seen in his fights. It wouldn't be a problem for him to hold his breath, run up and kendo Mayuri (not that he would need to. One hand would be sufficient) and make his banki disapear along with his physical form. Mayuri might live through it considering he was reduced to a puddle in the Isshida fight but wouldnt win.

Isshida was able to withstand the effects of Mayuri's poison long enough to defeat him. Do you really think his physical endurance is anywhere close to the level of Kenpachi's? Considering that Zaraki can take more damage then anyone I dont see how you guys think it would effect him enough to allow Mayuri to win.

Kenpachi wins this with ease.

[Fornicaras]

Mayuri will not win this fight. The poison of his shikai and banki will not matter because he wont be able to land a hit on Zarkai. Mayuri physical strength is so far behind kepachi's that its not even an issue. Kenpachi most likely knows the effects of his shikai and banki and wouldnt allow himself to be hit by them because I dont think being poisoned would be his idea of fun. Kenpachi's reaction speed will assure Mayuri wouldnt land a hit making his shikai useless. Kenpachi posses the speed and ability to kill Mayuri or atleast disable him before he could banki and even if he did, considering the slowness of Mayuri's stupid slug thing kenpachi would easily maneuver around and hack down Mayuri and run out of range before its poison was even an issue. Weather kenpachi can shupuno or not he is fast as has been seen in his fights. It wouldn't be a problem for him to hold his breath, run up and kendo Mayuri (not that he would need to. One hand would be sufficient) and make his banki disapear along with his physical form. Mayuri might live through it considering he was reduced to a puddle in the Isshida fight but wouldnt win.

Isshida was able to withstand the effects of Mayuri's poison long enough to defeat him. Do you really think his physical endurance is anywhere close to the level of Kenpachi's? Considering that Zaraki can take more damage then anyone I dont see how you guys think it would effect him enough to allow Mayuri to win.

Kenpachi wins this with ease.


How the fuck do you know that Mayuri won't hit Kenpachi?
If Kenpachi didn't know what Komamura & Tousen's shikai did, how the hell is he gonna know what Mayuri's does?

Mayuri has range, Zaraki doesnt.

Mayuri wins.

[katen kyoukotsu]

How the fuck do you know that Mayuri won't hit Kenpachi?

How do you hit someone with a sword when the one you're trying to hit is more skilled at sword fighting than you?

Bankai is another discussion but I can't see Mayuri having the time to use it. He sucks too hardcorely at fighting

[Fornicaras]

How do you hit someone with a sword when the one you're trying to hit is more skilled at sword fighting than you?

Bankai is another discussion but I can't see Mayuri having the time to use it. He sucks too hardcorely at fighting

Mayuri isn't slow, I'm sure he could land a hit or two in before getting sliced in half.

His bankai doesn't take forever either.

[densetsu_eikyou]

How do you hit someone with a sword when the one you're trying to hit is more skilled at sword fighting than you? Ichigo is less skilled than Zaraki yet he hit him. W/ the xception of Ikkaku everone we seen fight Zaraki has hit him. (Konamaro fight wasn't really a fight)

[pumpkin13]

These soandso vs. Kenpachi threads are starting to get a little tedious... For a second there I was really tempted to start an Anti-Kentard FC... got no problem with the bloke himself, thought his cameos in the Broken Blade Frenzy were some of the funniest things i've seen in bleach. Its all the people who think just because he has a massive reiatsu that he'd be able to win against anybody, ignoring technique or fighting style completely.

Sorry i just really had to get that off my chest.

The problem with Zaraki is that he's completely predictable... even if you didn't know he was gonna start using kendo it was evident that he'd do something that would beef up his power and strength. Mayuri on the other hand is completely unpredictable, who in gods name thought he would have beaten Szayal using a synapse altering drug stored inside Nemu's body when Szayal impregnated himself in her (it almost seemed a bit of a Deis Ex Machina to me, it was that random). He doesnt have the physical strength to match Zaraki and he knows this, so he's going to do everything to stay out of Zaraki's sword swing. As for people saying his poisens/ shikai won't effect Zaraki, or he'll use his reaitsu to tank through it... i'll see some evidence first, or logical argument first or at least something sourced. The only way Ishida could get through it was by using his Quincy reiatsu puppet strings move. And some are saying that a weak Ishida defeated Mayuri.... Ishida was in his final Quincy form, an uber powerful state that he didn't manage to even get close to until recently, and considering he could take on a captain level opponent in that state whilst he's given trouble in the Hueco Mundo arc, i'd say he still hasn't attained such levels of power again. Atm he seems to be relying an aweful lot on his Seele Schneiders...

[Kingkon]

Mayuri, has the data on every captain assumably, he not just gonna run to Kenpachi and slash him with a sword, he probably figured out different scenarios even before the fight actually starts. and whats the dea with Kenpachi not bieng able to hit Zaraki? Almost everyone Kenpachi fought has been able to cut him!

[+Blue+]

Kenpachi is a badass and can take some major damage...but yeah Mayuri's shikai is going to be a real problem when he gets cut. Thats not even taking into account his bankai.

Btw, I recall that after the fight with Ishida, Mayuri still had a sword (when he stabbed himself to turn into goo). Did his sword just reform in his hand when his bankai was destroyed? or does he have a bankai like Tousen's where he is able to still use his sword while its summoned?

[katen kyoukotsu]

Mayuri, has the data on every captain assumably

So Mayuri can defeat every other captain?
Knowing something in paper and being capable of executing it are galaxies apart. Especially when it regards to fighting which is not Mayuri's favorite thing.

[+Blue+]

Especially when it regards to fighting which is not Mayuri's favorite thing.

He's pretty damn good at it though, but yeah I agree that data only goes so far.

[Precious_Roy]

Kenpachi is a badass and can take some major damage...but yeah Mayuri's shikai is going to be a real problem when he gets cut. Thats not even taking into account his bankai.

Btw, I recall that after the fight with Ishida, Mayuri still had a sword (when he stabbed himself to turn into goo). Did his sword just reform in his hand when his bankai was destroyed? or does he have a bankai like Tousen's where he is able to still use his sword while its summoned?

Yeah Mayuri also seems to be a master at knowing and tuning Zanpakuto, as shown in a golden cup ep. of him giving Renji a flyer on how he can change even the sex and race of any Zanpakuto, Mayuri might of been able to reach Bankia so soon with his amount of smarts on the zanpakuto, what makes you people think he won't hold the same skills to use the damn things?

HE NOT A CAPTAIN FOR NOTHING!

Mayuri is also a paranoid type and will ensure himself to victory by stocking up on data on everyone in the 13 squads to make sure such fights are set up already.

The only other Captains I can see being a problem for Mayuri is in this order and I have good purpose to support this line up.

1)Soi Fong - Her speed is key and her anti-poison body will just get her in close to stab up Mayuri with her two-hit Zanpakuto, Mayuri like Kenpachi is also known to take hits but will try to avoid that in this fight since I'm sure he already knows of her data from knowing her fo so long, what might help him is lets say this fight happens and Mayuri rips his own arm or leg off to cancel her zanpakuto death marks, or if Mayuri was to his her with his shikia, Soi Fong was also a member of the 2nd squad all them years ago when Mayuri was just a Convict in the Maggots Nest, I'm sure she knew how much of a danger he can be and will fight him with some care.

2) Aizen - it's Aizen, it's gay

3)Old man Yama - The guy is strong and might have a good chance.

4)Yoriuchi - Speed, maybe a anti-poison body like Soi Fong, she pretty bad ass but has less a chance then the ones above.

5)Byuugawejlkrwe324 Bukkake- whatever the fuck his name is with his gay flower sakura zanpakuto, he a fast one too and that bankia of his is pretty tight.

There still some people I can think of that be a bad match up with Mayuri but the ones above are the people who I see as being a real threat in a fight one on one with, no Nemu to jump in and most of them stand in the SS and not outside.

There are also too many Kenpach fanboys online on all forums that make such threads turn to shit fast with there rabid dumbness.

[katen kyoukotsu]

There are also too many Kenpach fanboys online on all forums that make such threads turn to shit fast with there rabid dumbness.

Yeah and now we have a mayuri fanboy that is so biased that think Mayuri is the 5st stronger captain >_>

Why Urahara, Gin, Tousen, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana aren't on your list?

[Precious_Roy]

Yeah and now we have a mayuri fanboy that is so biased that think Mayuri is the 5st stronger captain >_>

Why Urahara, Gin, Tousen, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana aren't on your list?

Wow one Mayuri Fanboy to stand up to you 1000000000000000 kenpacfags.

I'm sure after this new flashback arc we will see why Mayuri is in this top 5 for sure, Tousen is a Negro sub-human and his sword skills and zanpakuto are not up to par as we only seen him slash in strokes at his foes or use shika, Ukitake and Shunsui are strong so don't get me wrong or nothing I'm sure they have a great chance, but we don't see much of them and we know or think that Shunsui shows Mayuri some respect in eps 61, only to talk shit to him in the end.

Gin is like a one trick pony to me, he can stab fast, and maybe use some kido, but he has to be a weak Captain due to his shitty ego.

Unohana is someone I can see as a problem since Mayuri likes to fight with stuff like Poison, and she is one of the older Captains so she gots to be strong, not counting her out as well.

HitsuGAYa is just a runt and is very smart and fast, he also seems to be good with his sword but I don't see him fighting long with Mayuri.

Anyone else?:suspicious:

[+Blue+]

Why Urahara, Gin, Tousen, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana aren't on your list?

Gin and Tousen? are you serious? They may be stronger now if they have become Vaizards. But back in SS Gin was having trouble against Hitsugaya and Tousen got raped by Kenpachi without him even taking off his eye patch. They weren't all that amazing for Captains...

I agree with you on Urahara, Shunsui, Ukitake, and Unohana though.

[kochito22]

Yeah Mayuri also seems to be a master at knowing and tuning Zanpakuto, as shown in a golden cup ep. of him giving Renji a flyer on how he can change even the sex and race of any Zanpakuto, Mayuri might of been able to reach Bankia so soon with his amount of smarts on the zanpakuto, what makes you people think he won't hold the same skills to use the damn things?

this is the first time i've ever seen someone use a golden cup as proof in a discussion...

[Precious_Roy]

this is the first time i've ever seen someone use a golden cup as proof in a discussion...

so you say it's not true since it came from a ommake?:oh:

[Poopoomaru]

One thing that I think is warping alot of my fellow Mayuri supporters is this whole Szayel business. Mayuri is not a Szayel clone. Szayel is more like a mutant growth that grew on Mayuri's concept that somehow gained sentiency. Mayuri does not use his intelligence defensively the way Szayel very cowardly does, in that he doesn't wait to find out his opponents powers and a way to nullify them, lock himself in a room with them, then mess around for hours at a time. We only saw Mayuri pull a Szayel on Szayel because that was really the only way to get past his incredibly broken power. It is far more accurate to say Mayuri uses his intelligence offensively. His defense is more of a single, set, arsenal of abilities or powers that he has which he applies to all situations rather then one custom made for each and every opponent requiring much prep time.

Also in regards to having "data" on Kenpachi...what data is there possibly to collect?? Kenpachi has the simplest fighting style ever witnessed in Bleach. He attacks....then he attacks again...maybe use a stronger attack...maybe not....repeat until opponent defeated. The only knowledge he might be able to obtain is whether or not he has releases or not which seems to be common knowledge, and just how strong his physical stats are like speed, strength and reiatsu. All of that though is also pretty obvious at least in relation to a fight; he is strong enough that he never pit his strength against his in any way, fast enough that without shunpo Mayuri is screwed, and his spirit pressure is strong enough he can cut through most anything. All that directly translates to is avoid being in blade's swing of him until you can guarantee a kill shot.

Now on to more direct issues. The only way Kenpachi could avoid dieing by Mayuri's bankai would be to cut it in half the instant it was summoned ( he is strong enough to do it as he has already proven he can cut through most anything if he wanted to) thus before it could breath its poison. If Mayuri was far enough away, or could somehow stall his attention or movements for a moment Mayuri would win. As opposed to what many ppl are saying we have no evidence to say you can tank through Mayuri's bankai poison permanently. The most benefit of the doubt that could be given would be that he can survive for a short period of time like Ishida could after being poisoned, easily long enough for instance to cut the Bankai in half for instance, however since Mayuri can liquefy himself at any time the second he poisons Kenpachi or even the moment after Kenpachi cuts his bankai in half he can liquefy himself to ensure his survival. Kenpachi would die since we can't assume he would have any help of any kind and thus the poison would kill him. Mayuri lives, Kenpachi dies, thus Mayuri wins, even if it isn't a dignified win. As far as Kenpachi instantly cutting the Bankai in half making the poison never being released at all it is debatable if Kenpachi is that fast, and given that Mayuri could easily overcome this with common sense by keeping his bankai far away or stalling Kenpachi for a moment, I would say it is a toss up, but one I would lean toward Mayuri for.

Shikai wise I would have to give the battle to Kenpachi, since he is so superior at sword fighting in general, as well as being physically far superior to Mayuri, I would say that while there is still a chance Kenpachi could get cut and thus lose ( once again we are assuming he can't tank through it since there is no evidence he can do that at all) it is still far more likely that Mayuri would have to go bankai very quickly or skip shikai altogether since the chances that with only his shikai he could cut Kenpachi are very slim. This is important now everyone, we HAVE to assume Kenpachi is fighting with regard to avoiding ever getting hit by Mayuri's attack. One, because if he wasn't then he would simply lose since one hit would be all Mayuri would need. Two, because we have to assume Kenpachi is fighting with everything he has in a positive sense because it isn't a fair assessment to assume otherwise since that wouldn't be a true judgment of who really could beat who. Now Mayuri might have some abilities or tricks to somehow be able to stall or enable him to cut Kenpachi. But given the nature of Kenpachi's stamina, if it isn't a poison or something that can't be powered through...we kind of have to assume he can power through it. We have to assume he can power through most attacks because there has only been one wound in all of Bleach that has actually been able to take him down, one sliced him almost completely down his midsection. Every other wound or attack he has faced he has easily been able to shrug off either without a moments hesitation ( IE he attacks straight through his opponents attack without regard for the wound) or he has been able to ignore completely after just a brief stall ( see many of Noitora's attacks which would have easily killed any other person). SO given that I would have to assume that shikai and any abilities that Mayuri might also have minus his bankai would be insufficient to stop Kenpachi since nothing could distract him from avoiding Mayuri's blade or attacking himself.

Given the analysis of his Bankai versus Kenpachi I would have to say that Mayuri takes this fight. However it is far from a guranteed victory. I would only give :mayuri: about a 65% percent chance of being able to win, and that is with all of his broken zanpakuto abilities. :zaken:takes the rest with 35% because of his ability to shrug off any physical-material wound to his body and his simply almost broken amount of physical power.

[Kingkon]

So Mayuri can defeat every other captain?
Knowing something in paper and being capable of executing it are galaxies apart. Especially when it regards to fighting which is not Mayuri's favorite thing.

Where did I say that Mayuri can beat any captain? Knowing your opponents weaknesses means you can change your fighting style to better prepare yourself against that opponent, for Mayuri it means relying less on his sword skills and more of his other "skills"!

[Oxyuranus]

YOu guys are missing the point. I didnt say Mayuri couldn't cut kenpachi if he could land his sword on him. I am assuming he can since he is a captain. What I am saying is that Kenpachi could avoide being hit by him due to his superior physical abilities based on what we have seen.

Why do you people have a problem with this fact? Do you realy think Mayuri's physical abilities can rival kenpachis? I ask you to give 1 thread of proof that they can. There are obviously several instances where Zaraki has been shown to be a physical monster but not 1 single time has Mayuri been portrayed as such. He uses his mind. Hes smart, sadistic and sneaky. Thats what he does. however, based on what we have seen from him, his tricks wouldnt work on Zaraki if Zaraki simply went strait in for the kill. From what has been shown to us Mayuri can not contest to Zaraki's physical attributes. Yes he is smarter but based on the tricks he has pulled non of them would work on Zaraki because he could easily avoid them based on what we have seen of his abilities. Zaraki's reaction speed is insabne as has been shown before. Though he commonly allows himself to be hit to test himself, if he were to go all out and strait for the kill how in the hell can you justify saying Mayuri could so anything about it based on what we have seen?

Stop pulling out all of this idiotic speculation based on what you think he should be capable of and look at what has been shown. Kubo has shown that Mayuri is weak in physical combat compared to others. Could he be a beast and we just dont know it yet? Sure he could but that hasn't been shown. What has been shown is that he uses tricks to gain advantage. Thats what he does. Could he trick Zaraki given time to prepare? Probably. Could Zaraki charge at him at full power at any given time and obliterate him? Definitely based on what we have seen from teh Author of the manga.

This is what has been shown and to disagree with it is letting personaly opinions get in the way. Plain and simple.

Zaraki wins if he takes it seriously and goes all out, strait in for the kill. Kindly give me any proof that tjis would be the case based on what the author of the story has shown us and I will withdrawal my opinion. Until then its pretty fucking obvious if you ask me.

[Kingkon]

Zaraki wins if he takes it seriously and goes all out, strait in for the kill. Kindly give me any proof that tjis would be the case based on what the author of the story has shown us and I will withdrawal my opinion. Until then its pretty fucking obvious if you ask me.

Yeah cause Mayuri will simply stand there and take a hit from Kenpachi! Your out of your mind if you think Kenpachi is better at sword fighting therefore he wins, and you'll won't listen to any other arguement! Wheres your proof that Kenpachi could kill Mayuri in a single hit, Mayuri has been shown to take on heavy physical injuries and he's a guy that can freakin grow back his organs!

[Oxyuranus]

Yeah cause Mayuri will simply stand there and take a hit from Kenpachi! Your out of your mind if you think Kenpachi is better at sword fighting therefore he wins, and you'll won't listen to any other arguement! Wheres your proof that Kenpachi could kill Mayuri in a single hit, Mayuri has been shown to take on heavy physical injuries and he's a guy that can freakin grow back his organs!

Kindly re read my prior post where I mentioned Mayuri turning into goo. If he turns into a puddle he gets defeated weather or not he dies.

Again, show me where its shown that Mayuri has physical abilities anywhere near kenpachi weather it be speed or strength. Please do, I would love to see it. Everyones arguments are based off of speculation and fanboyism. You can all what Im saying fanboyism too but I think the story line depicts kenpachi as much stronger then almost anyone where as it depicts mayuri as a sneaky bastard who relies on tricks not strength or skill to gain the upper hand. Its cool, I think his character is interesting but based on what Kubo has shown us Zaraki will win this by reducing Mayuri to a puddle if he so chooses.

The only argument that can be made is weather Zaraki would let himself be hit and sand bag as he usually does. As I said in another post, judging his character I dont think he would consider being poisoned fun. Therefore I believe he would go all out and end the fight quick. All out kenpachi>Mayuri anyday of the week based on what we have seen from the story line thus far. His strength is ridiculous and his speed, from what we have seen in the manga is faster then mayuri (yes it is! kenpachi instantly appearing behind Ichigo is a more impressive show of speed then anything Mayuri has done by far). based on greater speed and much greater strength (I dont see how the hell anyone could deny Kenpachi being ALOT stronger then mayuri) if he felt like ending it quick he could. You guys keep saying if mayuri had time to prepare yada yada yada. Ok, sure but if you wana play that game Zaraki could just casually walk up behind him like nothing is wrong and kendo him to nothing.

The best senario for a fight is an unexpected confrontation between the 2 in which neither have time to prepare. Based on this I do not see anyway for mayuri to win if Zaraki simply goes all out to end it quick.

Again, please prove me wrong.

[Oxyuranus]

Yeah cause Mayuri will simply stand there and take a hit from Kenpachi! Your out of your mind if you think Kenpachi is better at sword fighting therefore he wins, and you'll won't listen to any other arguement! Wheres your proof that Kenpachi could kill Mayuri in a single hit, Mayuri has been shown to take on heavy physical injuries and he's a guy that can freakin grow back his organs!

Oh and you ask for proof that Kenpachi could kill Mayuri with a single hit? Well, there isnt exact proof but considering he damn near cut Noi, the espada with the hardest skin in half with kendo I think its safe to assume that Mayuri would end up as a puddle again with Zaraki connected. He might live but he would be fighting for awhile after that.

I will come back with asking you to show me where it is proven that kenpachi would so easily be effected by mayuri's poison? I think there is much more evidence for my argument then yours. Considering the Author's favor of kenpachi I can easily see him not being effected by the poison to a lethal extent especially since Isshida wasnt. Kenpachi's endurance it the strongest seen in the manga so yes, I think it is a likely conclusion that Mayuri's poison which didnt kill Isshida wouldnt kill the biggest tank in the soul society.

[inuperro]

Mayuri was shown to be able to use shunpo Zaraki has not.

[Kingkon]

Oh and you ask for proof that Kenpachi could kill Mayuri with a single hit? Well, there isnt exact proof but considering he damn near cut Noi, the espada with the hardest skin in half with kendo I think its safe to assume that Mayuri would end up as a puddle again with Zaraki connected. He might live but he would be fighting for awhile after that.

I will come back with asking you to show me where it is proven that kenpachi would so easily be effected by mayuri's poison? I think there is much more evidence for my argument then yours. Considering the Author's favor of kenpachi I can easily see him not being effected by the poison to a lethal extent especially since Isshida wasnt. Kenpachi's endurance it the strongest seen in the manga so yes, I think it is a likely conclusion that Mayuri's poison which didnt kill Isshida wouldnt kill the biggest tank in the soul society.
Wow you accuse everyone of fanboyism except you, good job! Lets see if this was a head on sword fight I would agree Zaraki is far more capable than Mayuri but heck you can't understand that Mayuri did not become captain because of his sword skills!! But anyways its hopeless arguing with a Zaraki fanboy!

[pumpkin13]

Just because Noitra claims he has the hardest Hierro i wouldn't take that for granted. If Hitler said he was a good and honest man thats never done anything wrong would you believe him? Now if someone unbiased had said it, like Szayal or even Gin or Tousen then I might have reason to believe it. Theres most certainly no way an adjuchas has a harder hierro than a Vasto-Lorde.

You keep saying "if Zaraki takes takes it seriously and charges straight in"... wheres you're proof that he has ever taken a battle seriously as soon as its started... he loves to prolong battles to get the longest fight out of them, THAT is evidential from the manga/ anime, and there's no reason why he shouldn't here.

Physical endurance has got nothing to do with being able to withstand poisons or toxin, do you think a bunch of Marines, some of the hardest and most enduring mofos on the planet would be able to walk through a cloud of mustard gas and come out of it fine and dandy (without their chemical warfare stuff on obviously, they're on their day off and out in the park with none of their equipment around, but it doesnt affect their endurence)? (On a less serious note Goku could only be defeated by being infected with a viral desease and he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger and faster than Zaraki). And anyway Mayuri has access to change his poisons and modify them, often only using a certain strain of poison once, making it impossible to create andidotes or build up a resilience to them. See wikipedia, its sourced as well. Even if none of them have time to prepare he's probably already tweaked them since the last battle. As for not letting himself be hit by the poison from Mayuri's shikai and bankai, yeah he could defend against getting hit by the shikai, but the bankai poison covers a large range, its an area attack and its gas, and its gushed out of the Baby's head with some speed so the surrounding area is engulfed pretty quickly.
EDIT: You were saying that Zaraki would probably overcome the poison because Ishida did. Ishida did only because he got an andidote which cured him completely from Nemu (cus she blatently fancies him). So no theres no evidence that Zaraki would be able to survive the poisons.

As for sword skill... for the most part Zaraki swings his sword around wildly with only one hand... thats hardly "skillful" and as for his kendo... well if he was made to learn Kendo by Yama-iji then we must assume that all the other Captains were as well if they didn't know it already and so are proficient with kendo. His use of kendo gives him a big power increase, but whats the point of a power increase if you can't hit ur target cus the targets too fast. Yes, his reaction speed has been shown to be impressive but his initial action speed in terms of zanjutsu has shown to be average (im not talking about houhou techniques here so dont go on about well he IS fast cus he could appear behind Ichigo, thats footwork, not handwork).

As for someones earlier post which included Mayuri vs. Soifon... Soifon's shikai ability is caused by a poison as well, and since Mayuri is a poison freak it is likely that he has andidotes or previously secreted anti-venom already in his body.

[Precious_Roy]

As for someones earlier post which included Mayuri vs. Soifon... Soifon's shikai ability is caused by a poison as well, and since Mayuri is a poison freak it is likely that he has andidotes or previously secreted anti-venom already in his body.

Oh so it's not just the mark it's a poison?

I didn't know that but even if Mayuri was immune getting hit twice will not kill him?

on another note there are way too many Kenpacfags online who think just since Kenpachi has slighty more spirit presser then most the other captains makes his so much better, you need to have control over it and Kenpachi does not as seen via his eyepatch to lower it, also I keep seeing people say his basic sword skill is great, in truth it's not since Kenpachi had no formal sword skill, he just picked up his sword and swung it around like Mugen off Samuria Champoo, Kendo was like the only thing we know the old man taught him since the old knew Kenpachi sucked as swordship.

Mayuri has Physical endurance and pain endurance then most others we seen so far, the only reason he lost limbs is for the story to showcase his skills and that only happens twice once was done by himself to remove the strech armstrong arm.

I wish this fight did happen, I can see Mayuri grabing a handful of his pebble bombs and using his long arm to stuff them in Kenpachi face as he charged him only to get blow the fuck up.

fact is both fight off the other end of the spectrum only Mayuri due to his cheesyness has the upper hand here.

[pumpkin13]

Yeah i remembered her saying something about it being poison but i double checked on wikipedia first.

"he just picked up his sword and swung it around like Mugen off Samuria Champoo"

Just like to clarify that this has no reflection on how AMAZING Mugen is, and saying that Jin's my favoured over the two... still doesn't stop Mugen being amazing even if its slightly less amazing than Jin.

[Precious_Roy]

Yeah i remembered her saying something about it being poison but i double checked on wikipedia first.



Just like to clarify that this has no reflection on how AMAZING Mugen is, and saying that Jin's my favoured over the two... still doesn't stop Mugen being amazing even if its slightly less amazing than Jin.


Yeah but in all truth back then Morons like Mugen didn't live long in fights, that style was only to showcase for the story and nothing a true real value is had out of fighting like a madman when you fight other pros, you just going to get own, I know this since I use to try and fight like that in amtgard and you end up getting spanked by someone with more skill in his weapon then the will to strike.

[Darkmaterials]

I think people are underestimating Zaraki's raw power here, he 1-hit Nnoitra who is ranked above Grimmjow and Grimmjow was more powerfull than Ichigo untill the "resolve" kicked in.
Zaraki is an overpowered character whether anyone likes it or not.

Ishida made short work of Mayuri's Bankai so it doesn't seem too unlikely to me that Zaraki could.
Also it's pretty certain that Zaraki is physically stronger than Ishida, so the poison would have less of an affect on him.

[+Blue+]

Ishida made short work of Mayuri's Bankai so it doesn't seem too unlikely to me that Zaraki could.

Ishida only did that because he was in the Quincy Final Form, so stop making it sound like he did it with his normal abilities. He also had to use all his energy along with the spirit particles he absorbed to do it. It was a once in a life time power boost.

If your implying Zaraki could just slice his bankai in half, I am going to just laugh at you. Oh and before you or anyone puts up the picture of Zaraki slicing that tower in half to try to prove a point let me just say one thing. Mayuri's bankai has a hell of a lot more spirit energy inside of it then that tower, so it proves nothing.

[Darkmaterials]

Ishida only did that because he was in the Quincy Final Form, so stop making it sound like he did it with his normal abilities. He also had to use all his energy along with the spirit particles he absorbed to do it. It was a once in a life time power boost.

If your implying Zaraki could just slice his bankai in half, I am going to just laugh at you. Oh and before you or anyone puts up the picture of Zaraki slicing that tower in half to try to prove a point let me just say one thing. Mayuri's bankai has a hell of a lot more spirit energy inside of it then that tower, so it proves nothing.


Who says he can't slice it in half lol?

When Ishida shot through Mayuri's bankai it went straight through it (and through Mayuri) without completely destroying it.
Either this means that Mayuri is made of weak stuff and he's easy to damage (hence the arow just passing through him) or it means that Ishida wasn't as powerful as everyone thinks he was.

Either way it's more likely Zaraki would be able to slice the through the bankai.

[Precious_Roy]

I think people are underestimating Zaraki's raw power here, he 1-hit Nnoitra who is ranked above Grimmjow and Grimmjow was more powerfull than Ichigo untill the "resolve" kicked in.
Zaraki is an overpowered character whether anyone likes it or not.

Ishida made short work of Mayuri's Bankai so it doesn't seem too unlikely to me that Zaraki could.
Also it's pretty certain that Zaraki is physically stronger than Ishida, so the poison would have less of an affect on him.

Did anyone even think of the placement of the match-ups before hand?

in the real world all things are weaker then in SS and HM, only HM I think things are weaker then SS, and in SS people are
5X stronger then the real world so HM must be like 3X stronger then the real world, I'm only guessing thats how setting works in bleach, anyone have a ideal on this?

[+Blue+]

Who says he can't slice it in half lol?

When Ishida shot through Mayuri's bankai it went straight through it (and through Mayuri) without completely destroying it.
Either this means that Mayuri is made of weak stuff and he's easy to damage (hence the arow just passing through him) or it means that Ishida wasn't as powerful as everyone thinks he was.

Either way it's more likely Zaraki would be able to slice the through the bankai.


I think you just completely missed the part where Ishida broke off the glove and remebered his grandfathers speech about how this was a last resort move that would give him a god-like amound of power, but strip him of his normal power.

Just so you know, that kamehameha-like arrow that Ishida used to destroy Mayuri's bankai and most of Mayuri's body would kill Zaraki. Zaraki and Mayuri are my two favorite capatains, but your giving Kenpachi way too much credit.

[Ulquiorra_#4_Espada]

Mayuri has some strange tricks always prepared so that wouldn't be a easy fight for Zaraki. The advantage is clearly for Zaraki, because of his massive reiatsu and raw power, but it all depends on Mayuris tricks... if they work, Zaraki is dead... if not, he's dead.

[pumpkin13]

Yeah but in all truth back then Morons like Mugen didn't live long in fights, that style was only to showcase for the story and nothing a true real value is had out of fighting like a madman when you fight other pros, you just going to get own, I know this since I use to try and fight like that in amtgard and you end up getting spanked by someone with more skill in his weapon then the will to strike.

Woah woah... dont be hating on Mugen here... And lol its an anime, of course your going to get beat down if you try and emulate his fighting. From wikipedia:Mix of various styles incorporating rapid, irregular movements he dubs "Champloo Kendo" His fighting style is probably best described by Kariya Kagetoki when they fight in Episode 25: "Interesting. You utilize erratic movements to prevent anyone from predicting them. But you fail to utilize your martial arts skills. By relying only on reflex and instinct, you inadvertently show the limitations of your skills to your opponent." His limitations were further exploited in his fight with Denkibou while on a small boat, as his inability to fight well in small areas were shown. This is further evident in that his moves become increasingly erratic and unique as his opponents are more powerful. He does have a certain style though, he makes heavy use of his athletacism and lots of spins and low, close to the ground body work. In this respect its quite like Capoeira. anyway sorry for going off topic.

Darkmaterials did you read my previous post? Once it gets to poison physical strength has little to do with it... unless his white blood cells are practically vampyric in nature and destroy cancer and every other cellular desease or virus, once it gets past the skin, Zaraki can have a fricking bankai for all its worth it still won't help him. +Blue+ completely agree with you there. Also Mayuri's bankai, the baby head caterpillar is actually sentient itself, its not going to be dumb enough to run headlong into Zaraki's kendo without exhaling some poison gasses first.

[densetsu_eikyou]

i think blue and pumpkin have explained it all

[Mr. Kenpachi]

I think this one's too close to call, so I give it a "Depends" answer.

[lightxdark]

Woah woah... dont be hating on Mugen here... And lol its an anime, of course your going to get beat down if you try and emulate his fighting. From wikipedia:Mix of various styles incorporating rapid, irregular movements he dubs "Champloo Kendo" His fighting style is probably best described by Kariya Kagetoki when they fight in Episode 25: "Interesting. You utilize erratic movements to prevent anyone from predicting them. But you fail to utilize your martial arts skills. By relying only on reflex and instinct, you inadvertently show the limitations of your skills to your opponent." His limitations were further exploited in his fight with Denkibou while on a small boat, as his inability to fight well in small areas were shown. This is further evident in that his moves become increasingly erratic and unique as his opponents are more powerful. He does have a certain style though, he makes heavy use of his athletacism and lots of spins and low, close to the ground body work. In this respect its quite like Capoeira. anyway sorry for going off topic.

Darkmaterials did you read my previous post? Once it gets to poison physical strength has little to do with it... unless his white blood cells are practically vampyric in nature and destroy cancer and every other cellular desease or virus, once it gets past the skin, Zaraki can have a fricking bankai for all its worth it still won't help him. +Blue+ completely agree with you there. Also Mayuri's bankai, the baby head caterpillar is actually sentient itself, its not going to be dumb enough to run headlong into Zaraki's kendo without exhaling some poison gasses first.

But who are we to say that Reiatsu won't play a part in this ordeal? Is it not kidou/reiatsu that the 4th division, and unohana uses to cure the sick? Or am I wrong in that assumption? I agree that mayuri will win this one, all due to the fact that the guy is a genius. Since he knows Kenpachi's abilities, he would be well prepared before the battle starts. However, if this battle occurs prior to Mayuri grasping Kenpachi's battle-patterns, then I say Kenpachi has the win. Kenpachi will indefinitely win if Mayuri is not prepared.

I can't say the poison will be, "auto-win" for Mayuri, as people not from the bleach-verse, we don't know the full extent of what Reiatsu can really be used for.

[Darkmaterials]

I think you just completely missed the part where Ishida broke off the glove and remebered his grandfathers speech about how this was a last resort move that would give him a god-like amound of power, but strip him of his normal power.

Just so you know, that kamehameha-like arrow that Ishida used to destroy Mayuri's bankai and most of Mayuri's body would kill Zaraki. Zaraki and Mayuri are my two favorite capatains, but your giving Kenpachi way too much credit.

My point was if Mayuri is as strong as a regular captain (physically) and Ishida's arrow was so god modely powerful why wasn't Mayuri completely destroyed when it hit him?
There were still roof tiles either side of where he shot the arrow for crying out loud, it can't have been that powerfull.

Darkmaterials did you read my previous post? Once it gets to poison physical strength has little to do with it... unless his white blood cells are practically vampyric in nature and destroy cancer and every other cellular desease or virus, once it gets past the skin, Zaraki can have a fricking bankai for all its worth it still won't help him. +Blue+ completely agree with you there. Also Mayuri's bankai, the baby head caterpillar is actually sentient itself, its not going to be dumb enough to run headlong into Zaraki's kendo without exhaling some poison gasses first.

If your physically stronger poison has less of an affect on you, there's a reason children die from scorpion stings that couldn't kill an adult...

[densetsu_eikyou]

My point was if Mayuri is as strong as a regular captain (physically) and Ishida's arrow was so god modely powerful why wasn't Mayuri completely destroyed when it hit him? B/c he wasn't trying to kill him as Nemu stated and of course no good guys die in this series.

If your physically stronger poison has less of an affect on you, there's a reason children die from scorpion stings that couldn't kill an adult... I think that has to due w/ immune systems and white blood cells. A better example is if a 170lb man is stung in relationship to 350lb man. Also chikenpox kills adults not kids. In any case if reitsu can slow the dying process so what? Mayuri dodges and blocks until Zaraki dies.

[4GeTmE]

Poison will be Zaraki's downfall.

[+Blue+]

My point was if Mayuri is as strong as a regular captain (physically) and Ishida's arrow was so god modely powerful why wasn't Mayuri completely destroyed when it hit him?
There were still roof tiles either side of where he shot the arrow for crying out loud, it can't have been that powerfull.

Dude...not that powerful? Your crazy if you think Ishida's attack wasn't that powerful. Why would the roof tiles be destroyed? It was an arrow, all its energy was directed at Mayuri, it wasn't being thrown around anywhere else.

This fight would be a good one, so stop acting like Kenpachi would end it in 5 seconds.

[4GeTmE]

How true.Anyway,all he has to do is use bankai,blow some poison and Zaraki is screwed.

[KING GRIMMJOW]

If mayuri was fighting Zaraki he wouldn't be able to use bankai,
Zaraki would cut him down.

Zaraki doesn't use kidou and only fight's the warriors way, anything else is just like a parlour trick.

Where as Mayuri tries tricking his opponents,and when it comes to fighting
Zaraki is not nieve enough to be caught by Mayuri's tricks.

[4GeTmE]

Mayuri's bankai takes like 5 seconds to release.He says "Bankai!!!" and the giant thing appears.Its not like it takes forever to release it.And to say that Zaraki would kill Mayuri before he even has the time to release is..absurd.

[KING GRIMMJOW]

your telling me, Mayuri will go in to the fight, and use bankai straight away.

Dont see that happening myself, Mayuri has already stated that he likes
to use a different trick for each fight, Zaraki wouldn't be having any of it.

Zaraki cuts harder, has an high intelect in a fight senario, and has the
ability the over come obstacles placed in his way.

Mayuri use a trick,pisses Zaraki off,Zaraki kills Mayuri.