Kira vs Heero

[siveraros]

So who do you reckon will win? will it be the Strike freedom :- Kira, or do you reckon it'll be the gundam wing zero:- Heero Yuy, if the fight would ever happen, who would ur money be on :)

[Randomperson]

Kira. Because Heero isn't that great as pilot.

-Heero can forget his TBR since any ace can dodge that, it takes too long to load so it will very likely just get sniped. Kira is good at sniping weapons so there's no problem with that big bulky gun thing.

-Kira gets super DRAGOONs in Strike Freedom, so he attacks from all directions.

-Heero's Vulcans don't jack PS Armor.

-CE Gundams generally have about double as much power as AC ones.

-Kira's head does that what the ZERO system does for Heero in a much more convenient way.

Heero's only possibility to win is somehow hit Kira direct and clean with a beam sabre, but Kira doesn't lack close combat potential and gets beam shields to block. The chances for Heero winning is virtually near zero, unless Kira goes all pacifist and Heero notices it and uses it to his advantage, but even then he's still limited to sabres so its still meagre.

[Hero_Akiar]

Yeah, Kira is a better pilot and pilots a better suit, easy victory.

[Wing Zero]

i think Heero would win cause he will win at all costs and Kira is just a pussy about killing people

[Yadomaru]

NOTE: GSD 35 and onwards are the only episodes to use as reference for this match.
NOTE: Since it wasn't specified, I'll assume the original Wing Zero.

Hmmm...
In my opinion, both pilots suck balls. I'll take them one by one.

Heero's pretty much limited to four moves: "spam the TBR in one direction", "spam the TBR in a circle"(a move he jacked from Quatre), "swipe the beam saber from side to side", and "self-detonate".

Kira isn't that much better, though he's got five moves he consistently relies on: "spam the DRAGOON system"(usable only in space), "spam the guns all in one direction", "rush and hack off a limb and/or head", "dock and fire the rifle", "strike a pose and fire the gut gun", and that's about it.

Both pilots only seem to do well against masses of grunts, and very poorly against single, ace-level opponents in equally strong machines.

Now as to the machines:
The only weapons the Wing Zero has that have a chance of damaging the Strike Freedom's VPS are the TBR and its beam sabers. The vulcans and machineguns'll just bounce off.
Zero does have a shield, and gundanium alloy armor has been shown to resist small-bore beam weaponsfire to a degree.
SF has Zero outgunned, but has a problem: If the battle is on earth, it can't use its DRAGOON System, and because of a stupid design flaw it can't use its "VL" thrusters either, as the DRAGOONs are mounted over them. If it's in space, that's no problem.
Mobility-wise, they seem roughly comparable, though SF looks to be a smidge faster.

Since I hate both of them I don't care either way, but I'll give it to SF.

[Neo-Asteroth]

Man. if you guys knew the real deal it is Heero, and dude not to burst your buble but the WIng Gundam is the original Wing Zero is the second form of it. not the first form. anyway Wing Zero can still win due to the Zero system, Mega Beam Weapons, Shield and high mobility the Strike does have powerful weapons i can give it that bu in a fight Heero would win.

[Yadomaru]

Well, that shows what you know.
I'll take this one point at a time.

not to burst your buble but the WIng Gundam is the original Wing Zero is the second form of it. not the first form.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong.
The XXXG-00W0 is, in Wing, the first Gundam ever designed, created by the five scientist after Oz/The Alliance began mass-producing the Leos based on the Tallgeese.
It was shelved because they feared its power, and each one of the five instead designed his own unique Gundam.
Dr. J designed the Wing Gundam BASED ON the Wing Zero, but less powerful.
Wing Zero's blueprints were recovered much later by Quatre, who built the thing because he lost Sandrock and his sanity.

Wing Zero can still win due to the Zero system, Mega Beam Weapons, Shield and high mobility
It's not called "Mega Beam Weapons" it's called a twin Buster Rifle.

And powerful though the TBR is, it's still only two guns, and it has a problem: Not only is it a handheld weapon, it's enormous, meaning chances are it'll get shot.

I'll concede that the ZERO System does give Heero somewhat of a tactical advantage...but Kira's SEED Factor, lest you forget, does the exact same thing the ZERO System does.

the Strike does have powerful weapons i can give it that bu in a fight Heero would win.
It's the Strike FREEDOM, not the Strike.

[Neo-Asteroth]

man the Seed factor lacks in focus ability. we call it a cheap rip off of the Newtype powers. No the seed factor does not do the exact samething the Zero system does. Mega Beam weapons whatever Twin Buster Rifles i could care l;ess about the name it still falls under Mega weapon. anyway the Strike Freedom can't transform and it is slower than the Wing in those terms the weapon may be Big but in count for aiming and full force destruction not even the Destiny Gundam and it's I Field can be protected by that sheer force man. Wing has Strike out beat in a few parts. Speed, Firepower, Agility. those few out number it in many ways. the Strike Freedom is maybe only godo for weapons it did have a good number of them.

[Aya]

wing zero is a nice gundam, but doesnt stand a chance against kira and strike-freedom

[Randomperson]

Ah its been a while, anyways...

Which one is faster?

-Wing Gundam Zero has like, one third more total thruster power than... RX-78-2.

-Strike Freedom's Power Generator produces almost 3 times as much energy as Zero's.

So which one is faster? Meditate over it XD


As for weaponry, the TBR, being some huge-ass particle load-reliant cannon is strong, but needs time to fire, in any case MORE time than a beam rifle or a super DRAGOON. What pacifist Kira's specialty again? Yup, sniping ur weaponz.


As for the ZERO system, it gives you like thousands n thousands of possible actions and outcomes force injected into your brain, theoretically lets you get perfect victory? Okay, lets put the following simplified situation:

You are at an exam, the teacher asks you a question you don't know the answer of. Luckily, you have a ZERO system, which force injects 1000 possible answers as well possible actions into your brain, among them is one absolute correct answer to the question, you have a split second to react. Can you answer correctly?

If you've watched W yo might've noticed that Heero and Zechs both don't like to use the ZERO system because it spazzes out a lot, which is why Zechs did NOT get another ZERO system in Talgeese III. Nobody with suffiscient combat experience likes the thing.

[DarkBloodElf]

Didn't Heero master that system?

[Randomperson]

Yeah he supposedly did. The problem was simply that it either sucked or that "mastering" was a rather vague definition.

[eliwood98]

Hmm- we seem to be forgetting one major factor. (I'll admit my wing knowledge is lacking but . . .) Isnt heero just a normal human? Kira was not only coordinator, but the most powerful of them all.

So basically, Kira will be able to think alot quicker then Heero, and weve seen him destroy countless humans with no trouble, the only person who ever took down Kira was Athrun(and we all know that was a tie!) and Shinn (which was cheap!!!).

Also, I'd think that Strike Freedom would have the advantage power wise, Super Dragoons, a million and twelve guns and the beam swords. not to mention that im sure its alot faster(inertia and physics being less of a problem to coordinators, seeing as they are stronger than normal people.)

so in the end, im giving this one to the Strike Freedom

[Randomperson]

The "evolution" order is:

Oldtype/Natural/Normal Human

<Heero is somewhere here, he is rigorously trained but not a human CPU>

=>Extended (Normal Human with rigorous training and on drugs/mind conditioning stuff)

=>Category F Newtype (Degenerated AW Newtype)

=>Coordinator (Artificially enhanced person attempting next step of evolution)

<Kira is here, he's the closest result of what you'd call Super Coordinator>

=>Enhanced Human/Cyber Newtype (Artificially enhcanced person attempting to be Newtype)

=>Newtype (Actual next step of Evolution)

Yeah, Heero is human, but he got drilled better than any other pilot to start with and people who like him still thinks he's better.

[Wolfs Reign]

Heero would blow himself up so he could kill Kira. So they both lose

[Yadomaru]

Hmm- we seem to be forgetting one major factor. (I'll admit my wing knowledge is lacking but . . .) Isnt heero just a normal human? Kira was not only coordinator, but the most powerful of them all.

So basically, Kira will be able to think alot quicker then Heero, and weve seen him destroy countless humans with no trouble, the only person who ever took down Kira was Athrun(and we all know that was a tie!) and Shinn (which was cheap!!!).

Also, I'd think that Strike Freedom would have the advantage power wise, Super Dragoons, a million and twelve guns and the beam swords. not to mention that im sure its alot faster(inertia and physics being less of a problem to coordinators, seeing as they are stronger than normal people.)

so in the end, im giving this one to the Strike Freedom

Three points:
1. As I've explained countless times on various places, Kira's being "The Ultimate Coordinator" has nothing whatsoever to do with combat capabilities. All it means is that his genetic code was predetermined by Hibiki and that, because he was grown in an artificial womb and his development was closely monitored, he was born with no deviations from that predetermined genetic sequence.
Though the simple fact he's a Coordinator does give him a slight edge over Heero. Not going to discuss this any further

2. The only reason the Strike V. Aegis match ended in a tie was because Athrun's battery conveniently ran out seconds before he reduced Kira to subatomic particles - sub in a nuke for both suits, Kira loses.
Not gonna even comment on the Shinn V. Kira match. Not going to discuss this any further either.

3. It's thirteen guns, actually, including the DRAGOONs - Not bad, but not that impressive. It's outgunned by every other suit with a DRAGOON System ever fielded, including the Dreadnought(39), Providence(46), Akatsuki(22), and Legend(35).
I actually don't think it's all that much faster than Zero, though it's almost certainly more maneuverable.

[13thwarrior]

i kinda dislike heero, because he seems rather arrogant from my part. i stick to kira :smile:

[ichipachi]

kira since hes a berserker

[xBanzai89]

I'm going with Heero. For the most part he seemed to out class anyone in Gundam Wing. On top of that I never really liked any of the other Gundam series besides that one. Not really sure why though.

[black_heaven]

I hate Kira yet you can't argue his skill he is untochable when he got S.F.

and Zero system?
it give the posible solutions to attack the target, guess what Seed mode reacts whatever heero does to his mobile suit the zero system tell him.

TBR?
he can only stand still to fire and guess what kira is especialised is sniping weapons and TBR is just to large so w/out TBR heero doesn't have any mega weapons anymore

Kira w/ his little buddies if the fight is on space can easily destroy zero and guess what if anyone complains that zero kills many mobile suit sorrounding him then your thinking is like this:

Mobile suit = Goliath
Bits = david

you're thinking: david = goliath by height

so it's imposible to destroy all of kira's bits and his mobile suit w/out being destroyed bec he can react to heero's move

so S.F. and kira wins

[siveraros]

you all make good points ^_^ but the next question would be, do any of them stand a chance against Exia?

[CincauAsuka]

I would say Heero will beat Kira flat.

[Zero-sama]

Definitely Heero Yuy!!!!

[lonelyfighterx]

In term of machine, ZGMF-X20A is much better machine than XXXG-00W0. It is definitely faster, which is the main reason for it's victory. Self-destructing is not a good option for XXXG-00W0 because ZGMF-X20A will keep moving around or moving further than XXXG-00W0.

My comparison based on pilot at the same level.

[bigdon9]

there isnt a pilot that can beat heero so this is a easy decision.

[Sander RX]

It is definitely faster
Based on what?

[lonelyfighterx]

Based on what?

There is a technique call 'reading the first page,'.... You should try it.

[Sander RX]

There is a technique call 'reading the first page,'.... You should try it.
There are estimates of thrust power of both units?Where?