Zoro vs Kenpachi!

[Hollowinsideyou]

The three sword weilding demon of the straw-hat pirats vs the battered sword weilding demon of the gotei 13!

Roranoa Zoro vs Zaraki Kenpachi!

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z122/Crapsh1t/zoro.jpg vs http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/randalfdagrey/kenpachi.jpg

Who would win?

[xeoshu]

Kenpachi, Kenpachi, Kenpachi, Kenpachi!

I think my answers clear :amused:

He's so funny when he fights though...

"kenny wins :P"

[Gruja]

Kenpachi.:sman:

[Meta]

Bleach verse is stronger,in general,than the OPverse
I guess Kenpachi takes this since his brute force would easily overcome Zoro's technique and not only that...

[shinji]

Kenpachi win's with pure brute strength.

[Mjaut]

Zoro eats Kenpach for breakfast, and spits out bell that beastly Captain always wear.

[Avix]

Roronoa Zoro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roronoa_Zoro#Roronoa_Zoro) has my favor here, because I think he's much more of an honorable swordsman. Plus, he tries a lot harder to become stronger and more skilled with his blades. He also respects each of his weapons as if they were an extension of his own soul. Kenpachi Zaraki (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Kenpachi) would win a real fight, but he's not in my favor...:suspicious:

[Mjaut]

Actually Kenpachi is so weak that his picture isn't displayed in first post.

[Ajpinecrest2]

I actually think that this fight is even.

Physically I would say their strength is about equal.

Durability is also a toss up considering Kenpachi survived Nnoitra's onslaught and Zoro survived being impaled and having his insides shredded apart with a freaking buzzsaw by Mr. 1.

Range is equal as well since they both have demonstrated normal sword play with the occasional long-range attacks.

Speed could be the deciding factor, but since nothing in Bleach is actually calcuable we seem to throw it out and call it even, unless you're as dense as a brick.

[The_Crimson_King]

Does/would Ken's reitsu affect Zoro in any manner? And if it does is it negated for this fight?

Otherwise it looks like this fight is based on who can dish out/take the most punishment.

Are there any pics that show Zoro's durability? I don't know enough about him to make an opinion.(tried one piece and didnt like it)

[Ajpinecrest2]

Does/would Ken's reitsu affect Zoro in any manner? And if it does is it negated for this fight?

Considering that Zoro has enough of his own type of energy to create physical extras to his body, I don't think there will be any reiatsu crush.

Otherwise it looks like this fight is based on who can dish out/take the most punishment.

Like I said, for now it seems like a tie.

Are there any pics that show Zoro's durability? I don't know enough about him to make an opinion.(tried one piece and didnt like it)

I'll find some of my favorites.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/195/20-21/

Even after all that punisherment, he still managed to retain enough energy for his most powerful single technique.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/19/

^^Personal favorite.

[The_Crimson_King]

OK, that gives me a better feel for this, thanks.

He seems durable but not as beat up from the Mr 1 fight as you first said.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/196/13/

I think Kenpachi would take this based on his proof of endurance vs Zoro's. Since he is shown to take a greater beating.(knocked into skyscrapper size pillars, impaled, multiple[many] lacerations at one time)

Also, prior experience with a multi-armed fighter might give Ken an edge to this fight.

edit: grammar edit

edit2: http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/chapter-309/page013.html

Strong reitsu causes Ken to become sexually aroused. Probably irrelavent, I find it interesting.

[Ajpinecrest2]

OK, that gives me a better feel for this, thanks.

He seems durable but not as beat up from the Mr 1 fight as you first said.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/196/13/

Based on that statement, I'm going to say that Zoro's judgment was impaired by the extreme lack of blood loss and immense blunt force trauma he recieved to the head.

Or maybe Zoro's perception of a "deep wound" is different than ours, I mean a buzz saw went into his insides and shred them up, a steel slashing attack cut through him and destroyed the pillar he was leaning against.

I think Kenpachi would take this based on his proof of endurance vs Zoro's. Since he is shown to take a greater beating.(knocked into skyscrapper size pillars, impaled, multiple[many] lacerations at one time)

Zoro was knocked into a house which then fell on him, impaled with a buzz saw that spun inside and must have torn apart all of his intestines, withstood a cut that went through his body, and lost more blood than Kenpachi ever has.

Also, prior experience with a multi-armed fighter might give Ken an edge to this fight.

Far more prior experience with single armed fighters gives Zoro an edge to this fight.

edit2: http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/chapter-309/page013.html

Strong reitsu causes Ken to become sexually aroused. Probably irrelavent, I find it interesting.

He might get distracted by his massive erection and lose his head then.

[shinji]

What about the injury he got off mihawk, arlong saw it and although he wasn't impressed by anything at that point he saw it and was like WTF, jesus titty fucking christ.

[The_Crimson_King]

Based on that statement, I'm going to say that Zoro's judgment was impaired by the extreme lack of blood loss and immense blunt force trauma he recieved to the head.

Trauma is possible but is speculation compared to what he says to himself in the pic. One could also argue that he was thinking clearly at the end of the fight when he realized he could cut through metal.

Or maybe Zoro's perception of a "deep wound" is different than ours, I mean a buzz saw went into his insides and shred them up, a steel slashing attack cut through him and destroyed the pillar he was leaning against.

Zoro was knocked into a house which then fell on him, impaled with a buzz saw that spun inside and must have torn apart all of his intestines, withstood a cut that went through his body, and lost more blood than Kenpachi ever has.

There is no proof anywhere in the pics that shows 1 cutting "through" him. That would require the saws to go in one end and out the other. Ripping/tearing apart his intestines is unknown as there is no visual proof that any organs fell out or were hanging out.

Far more prior experience with single armed fighters gives Zoro an edge to this fight.

I meant that it might not startle Ken or something similar, sorry for the confusion.

He might get distracted by his massive erection and lose his head then.

Agreed

(what did shinji say? I don't speak spanish)

[shinji]

Take it one word at a time, you'll get it eventually.

[Ajpinecrest2]

Trauma is possible but is speculation compared to what he says to himself in the pic. One could also argue that he was thinking clearly at the end of the fight when he realized he could cut through metal.

One could support the argument that he wasn't thinking straight by saying he passed out from bloodloss immediately after saying the cuts weren't deep.

There is no proof anywhere in the pics that shows 1 cutting "through" him. That would require the saws to go in one end and out the other. Ripping/tearing apart his intestines is unknown as there is no visual proof that any organs fell out or were hanging out.

Well except for the fact that he had a cross cut on his that continued upwards until it split the pillar behind him. It would have split at around the area his shoulders would be.

I meant that it might not startle Ken or something similar, sorry for the confusion.

Okay, whatever.

Agreed

(what did shinji say? I don't speak spanish)

He was talking about this injury of Zoro's.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/89/10/

[The_Crimson_King]

The bloodloss goes either way then, so moot point?

The cross slash part confused me when I read it. Was it the force of the blow that impacted the pillar, or did he get cut through but didn't lose his arms?

That is a pretty messed up scar o_O frankensteinish

[Ajpinecrest2]

The bloodloss goes either way then, so moot point?

Yeah, that's what I was saying at first.

This fight is completely even.

The cross slash part confused me when I read it. Was it the force of the blow that impacted the pillar, or did he get cut through but didn't lose his arms?

He got cut through and didn't lose his arms, think of those two deep slashes Ichigo gave to Kenpachi in his shoulders and it is more or less the same situation, it cut through enough of the arm so that it could pass right through the top and bottom.

That is a pretty messed up scar o_O frankensteinish

Well he was cut by the World's greatest swordsman in a world where they can split the atmsophere by clasing swords.

[Yexley]

Zoro also has the whole Kuma experience he has lived through as well as the fight against the PX-1 right after and then the hits from an Admiral.

[The_Crimson_King]

Both fighters have vast experience.

[Ajpinecrest2]

This is a major tie unless people want to try and bring speed into this, but I promise that will go nowhere.

[AizenvsUrahara]

Bleach verse is stronger,in general,than the OPverse
I guess Kenpachi takes this since his brute force would easily overcome Zoro's technique and not only that...
:huh:i sorry but what ?Its the power and All the logia's and Haki user in One piece have shown so much more power then Bleach Characters shown so far. Kizaru is Building buster with simple kick Enel is country buster with Raigou. Blackbeard can suck up anything with his blackhole.

[Gruja]

Why we speak about this?Zaraki will simply cut zoro and battle is end.

[Kode_Kenneth]

Zoro has alot of resolve. Zoro also has special sword techniques which don't rely fully on power.

While Kenpachi is just has raw power. He doesn't have sword techniques compared to zoro's vast amount of sword techniques.

Kenpachi will ask zoro to give give it his best shot at the beginning of the fight, then zoro uses that ultimate technique of his then fight over :/

[Gruja]

I dont think Zaraki will say Zoro to take free shot,he will simply use his speed and just put Zoro on ground.

[BalrogLord]

This is a major tie unless people want to try and bring speed into this, but I promise that will go nowhere.

How about technique. From what little iv'e seen of Zoro hes a much more skilled swordsman then zaraki. That should be the deciding factor.

[Gruja]

How about technique. From what little iv'e seen of Zoro hes a much more skilled swordsman then zaraki. That should be the deciding factor.

I dont think so,zoro is maybe more skiled than zaraki but zaraki have more battle expirience and he can take many hits(just remember battle with ichigo and tousen),on other side i think just one zaraki strong hit will kill zoro.

[-MaNi-]

lol i knew i'd see you here gruja!

Zoro also has the whole Kuma experience he has lived through as well as the fight against the PX-1 right after and then the hits from an Admiral.

I agree with the kuma experiance. That was massive damage inflicted there (also mihawks attack as well)


It all comes down to their techniques. Im not sure just how fast zoro is in comparison to kenpachi however. I reckon zoro MIGHT win this, if he uses enough of his long distance attacks. Kenpachi having none, would be at a disadvantage there, but im gonna have to go with a tie on this one.

[Gruja]

I think Zaraki is faster than Zoro after all Zaraki have flashstep,and if he takeoff eyepatch and he have much more fizical strenght than zoro.

[-MaNi-]

I think Zaraki is faster than Zoro after all Zaraki have flashstep,and if he takeoff eyepatch and he have much more fizical strenght than zoro.

You can't really say who has stronger physical strength, cause both are mad powerful. Zaraki can cut buildings, so can zoro
Zaraki can use kendo to cut down people with strong armour/hierro
Zoro cut a guy made out of steel

And theres nothing to say that zaraki is faster. Except that he has shunpo, but zoro is pretty fast too

[Gruja]

Maybe Zoro is faster butt if Tousen bankai canot kill Zaraki you realy think Zoro can kill him?Zaraki fights against Tousen and Komamura and he is win,if he can win this two capitans Zoro dosent have much chance.

[Yexley]

Apart from the shit English which I'll look past if it's not your first language, your argument makes no sense. He fought 2 captains so Zoro stands no chance? There is no logic to that at all. Strength is more or less equal from what we can see, speed in Bleach has no basis so can't be compared (Zoro showed bullet timing speed near the very beginning of the manga and is much faster now) but if you point out shunpo then I will point out that Zoro kept up with CP9 who use a move that is pretty much the same as shunpo (can't remember the exact name) when he was much weaker than his current state. Endurance seems pretty balanced too considering Zoro has taken possibly more damage than anyone else in OP (damage taking feats mentioned earlier in this thread) and Zaraki has been made out to be a similar character in the Bleach-verse.

You're just a Zaraki fanboy as proven by your avatar.

[Gruja]

Yes english not my first language.You say i am Zaraki fanboy just becuse have avatar of Zaraki?So what i am,butt this not important for this tread.How i can see in your post all you say it is about Zoro.You not say one word about what can Zaraki do to Zoro.Do you now how strong zaraki kendo is?You thing Zoro can survive that?And maybe i am not right but that is not reason you just say i am
some stupid fanboy,afterall we all have right to say our opinions.And one more time sorry for my bad english.

[Ajpinecrest2]

How about technique. From what little iv'e seen of Zoro hes a much more skilled swordsman then zaraki. That should be the deciding factor.

Technique is a pretty word, but everything Zoro can do with Technique, Zaraki can already do it either through reiatsu or just generic attacks.

If Zoro could effectively block Zaraki's long range slashes with a single sword, then he could make it and take the win, but from what I have seen in general Zoro will use his three swords to block a single slash.

The problem is if I say Zoro has the strength to block a slash from Zaraki, then someone will bring up Kendo, and I'll bring up that Zoro can dodge it, and then they'll say Zaraki's too fast, and I'll say bullshit, and they'll call me a fanboy and neg me.

[Yexley]

English isn't the problem if it's not your first language, your English is better than my ability to speak other languages.

Zaraki used Kendo once on an opponent that walked right into it and didn't do anything to block because he thought he was so awesome and strong. Zoro has blocked attacks that destroy buildings so I'm sure he can block it with his 3 swords. I didn't talk about Zaraki feats because he hasn't been shown to do anywhere near as much as Zoro (Zoro has been shown to fight very often in the manga as the 2nd main character while Zaraki is a random side character). Zaraki feats: slices a building, hasn't shown shunpo, takes some hits from Tousen and Komma, beats Nnoitora without showing any skills other than hacking up and down and then using 1 Kendo strike. Not much to base an evaluation on: doesn't use kido, doesn't show any tactics, doesn't show any exceptional sword skills, doesn't show shunpo. What he has shown puts him on a similar level to Zoro as has been generally agreed in this thread.

Slightly different from the OP: I would give the slight edge to Zoro considering by the time he is next shown in the manga he will probably gain a lot of strength whereas Zaraki is probably stuck on his current strength (draw right now but in the future it would be a win for Zoro).

Edit: @ Ajp: I reckon he would use all 3 swords to block an attack like Kendo but as shown in fights he uses single swords to block normal sword attacks (apart from against Mihawk who was much stronger than him). Brute strength is probably similar so he could block an attack from Zaraki (he only uses one hand to swing apart from Kendo) with one sword.

[Gruja]

Ok than draw,butt what if Zaraki gonna be stronger in future?All we can is to wait and see what gonna be.

[-MaNi-]

English isn't the problem if it's not your first language, your English is better than my ability to speak other languages.

Zaraki used Kendo once on an opponent that walked right into it and didn't do anything to block because he thought he was so awesome and strong. Zoro has blocked attacks that destroy buildings so I'm sure he can block it with his 3 swords. I didn't talk about Zaraki feats because he hasn't been shown to do anywhere near as much as Zoro (Zoro has been shown to fight very often in the manga as the 2nd main character while Zaraki is a random side character). Zaraki feats: slices a building, hasn't shown shunpo, takes some hits from Tousen and Komma, beats Nnoitora without showing any skills other than hacking up and down and then using 1 Kendo strike. Not much to base an evaluation on: doesn't use kido, doesn't show any tactics, doesn't show any exceptional sword skills, doesn't show shunpo. What he has shown puts him on a similar level to Zoro as has been generally agreed in this thread.

Slightly different from the OP: I would give the slight edge to Zoro considering by the time he is next shown in the manga he will probably gain a lot of strength whereas Zaraki is probably stuck on his current strength (draw right now but in the future it would be a win for Zoro).

Edit: @ Ajp: I reckon he would use all 3 swords to block an attack like Kendo but as shown in fights he uses single swords to block normal sword attacks (apart from against Mihawk who was much stronger than him). Brute strength is probably similar so he could block an attack from Zaraki (he only uses one hand to swing apart from Kendo) with one sword.

lol thats so true

Theres not much room for improvement for zaraki however. Well, not in terms of brute strength, the guys at the peak of it. If he somehow learns the name of his sword, then thats the only way for him to become stronger

[The_Crimson_King]

Both fighters will obviously get stronger in time(loldragonballclones), thats how most manga usually work. It's a tie if we look at how Kenpachi fights, he will always fight on the same level as his opponents. So even if he is stronger it will be irrelavent to any fight he is in.(pending the opponent can cut/hurt him which I believe Zoro can do)

It's kind of safe to say that most match-ups with Ken would result in a 50-50 shot because of his nature.

[BalrogLord]

Technique is a pretty word, but everything Zoro can do with Technique, Zaraki can already do it either through reiatsu or just generic attacks.
If Zoro could effectively block Zaraki's long range slashes with a single sword, then he could make it and take the win, but from what I have seen in general Zoro will use his three swords to block a single slash.

The problem is if I say Zoro has the strength to block a slash from Zaraki, then someone will bring up Kendo, and I'll bring up that Zoro can dodge it, and then they'll say Zaraki's too fast, and I'll say bullshit, and they'll call me a fanboy and neg me.

Why is every1 thinking in terms of blocking? why has noone mentioned parries, it takes alot less strenght to conduct a parry then a block.

@bolded part: I beg to differ, technique has alot to do in sword fights. Zaraki just does generic slashes and blocks, Zoro, from what ive seen of a few AMV has shown to have a uniqer style of figthing as well as superior technique. The guy actually knows how to use a sword (rare for 90% of animes). So if everything else is equalised, i would defnetly give the match to zoro.

[Ajpinecrest2]

You know, I totally just realized something.

I completely forgot about Zoro's Asura form, since everything else is essentially equal in this fight, with Zoro's Asura form he can take the fight.

[Yexley]

oh yeah, he barely uses that move though, easy to forget about it.

[DaEvilWithin]

Didn't he only use Asura once? Anyways this might be the fanboy in me speaking, but I believe Zoro takes the cake. Assuming their strengths are equal, or atleast enough for Zoro to parry/block, then Zoro wins. I can't really bring in speed because I don't really remember their feats, but I'm sure Kenpatchi isn't the fastest shunpoer. If we take in battle experience, for me it's a tie. Kenpatchi has been living for years, just fighting Shinigami, while Zoro has been fighting marines, and admirals, and pirates almost every second of his life. If we were to take the future into this, Zoro wins for sure. Kenpatchi has almost no room to improve, because if he learns his shikai that ruins his character. Zoro always has room for improvement, thus in my mind he wins.

[zarkenpachi]

They are both very durable so its a hard call. but will zoro be able to cut kenpachi on the 1st try? and kenpachi's gonna cut zoro easily becoz zoro has no 'hardness' in his skin and kenapchi has

[Yexley]

Zoro cuts steel easily, I doubt he would have the slightest difficulty in cutting limbs off Kenpachi.

[shinji]

Plus he has three swords, you do the math people.

[TheNEWguy]

I don't really get the fight, are we asuming Zoro can cut kenpachi? I mean ok ok, you guys are going to be bashing me after this. Also, I think kenpachi's reiatsu can render Zoro unable to move, I mean, Zoro's human, a normal human, wouldn't that be pretty easy for kenpachi? Also, kenpachi slices buildings like they were butter. Kenpachi's slashes (as shown in the fight with noitra) can displace the sand, and when I say displace, I MEAN displace (anime). In the matter of durability, it has never been stated that Zoro's VITAL organs have been hit, cause if they were, he would have been dead, while kenpachi, was stabbed by that blind dude in one of his vitals! The beating kenpachi took froom noitra also looks more seroius. Not to mention kenpachi has more range as kenpachi has a longer sword and sword arm. Oh yeah, I think Zoro's blades won't even cut kenpachi, if you all are forgetting, he redirected a cero from noitra, zoro's normal human-made blades are even nearly as powerful as a cero. SO what if he could cut metal? what kind of metal was that? what alloy? what was the quality of the metal? was it space-grade titanium?

[CakeSpoon]

:cry: I was hoping it was a typo & you meant Zorro, he would tear Zaraki apart.

In this case, it's Zaraki over Zoro.

[Exploits]

Zoro's used Asura twice, I believe.

And I don't feel like aruging this up and down like most of you have, but I'm still pretty positive that Zoro takes this hands down on the simple basis that both characters are similar in physical feats, but Zoro has actual skill as opposed to just raw power. Its true, we don't know how strong Zaraki's skin really is, but I'm dubious that its stronger than steel, which is something Zoro now chops through with absolute ease.

Really this is basically comparing a fight between your every day club bouncer and Bruce Lee.

[TheNEWguy]

everyday club bouncer and bruce lee? I think not. Kenpachi's skin not harder than steel? hmm. lets see, Ichigo tried to slash him before, did nothing to him. I think Ichigo can pretty much slice through steel pretty easy at that time and of yeah, It actually depends on what kind of steel we're talking about here. besides, if you say everyday club bouncer and bruce lee, I think kenpachi would be bruce lee and zoro be the club bouncer.

[Yexley]

Except Zaraki has shown no skill. And Zaraki having skin stronger than actual steel is stupid, there is no basis for that claim.

[Razvan_Asakura]

This is a major tie unless people want to try and bring speed into this, but I promise that will go nowhere.

There is no need for that. Kuma has no speed feats so far. He just APPEARS wherever he wants. In his fight with Zoro, he dodged some of Kuma's attacks or something similar, in bleach the feats are still fuzzy, but at least they don't close enough to that kind of lvl.

As for power, well, Zoro took freaking huge lazer blasts that we've seen can destroy buildings/mountains easy. Also he has more experience and could outmatch Zaraki in technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLu8B0Bd4Ak

He even has long range attacks. Not to mention, more durable....Zaraki collapsed after Ichigo cut him just a bit, compared what Zoro has went threw so far. [think of his fight with Oz, the demon]


And to whoever said the Bleach universe is more powerful, well, I say, The 3 admirals of One Piece solo with the Bleachverse. I wanna see how Aizen can hypnotize light/ice and lava.

[LKratos]

To be honest, being a bleach site, there's going to be an automatic bias to the bleach fighter.

But in all honesty, Zoro right now in the manga is way above Kenpachi.

This is INCLUDING speed, because that is one of zoro's biggest assets.

There's also the whole thing about him being able to cut through steel, the giant evil zombie he almost killed, etc.

And even if he wasn't better than kenpachi now, he would be by the end of OP. Because everyone knows he'll eventually have a final showdown with Mihawk, and win. And Mihawk is better than any bleach swordsman.

[Ryuksgelus]

Except Zaraki has shown no skill. And Zaraki having skin stronger than actual steel is stupid, there is no basis for that claim.

Regular hollows in the beginning of the series were seen cutting through steel and easily crushing concrete. Common sense power scaling proves their reaitsu makes stronger fighters skin tougher than normal steel. Even human Chad bent a steel beam with his head and bent it very early in the series.

This is INCLUDING speed, because that is one of zoro's biggest assets.

I'm really confused by this. Zoro battles with Kaku&Ryuma prove he's not faster than Zaraki. The M.Trio do not cover much ground when moving to point A to Point B in their fights. Entire fights take place over small areas where they go back and forth clearly showing their not moving at incredible speeds or they'd need bigger arena's. Its really easy to compare strength&speed without trying to do bullshit calculations. Put Zaraki&Noi on a TB rooftop and Zoro&Ryuma in HM.

Those HM pillars are huge. There is no reason to believe Zoro&Ryuma could collapse them while hopping the thousands of feet between those pillars, while Zaraki&Noi would destroy building after building in TB. Its just stone&wood no reason it wouldn't be annihilated by them while there is a clear reason Zoro&Ryuma couldn't. They're not strong enough.

There's also the whole thing about him being able to cut through steel, the giant evil zombie he almost killed, etc.

Zaraki cuts through steel and materials stronger than steel quiete easily. Its zoro who has to concentrate and use a specific technique to break through steel. Those arguing Zanpaktou's are weaker than steel are being ridiculous. Steel wouldn't survive being smashed against a concrete wall or floor like a zanpaktou, and then they cut through each others blades all the time. Acting like steel>zanpaktou is essentially saying a Bleach human could get a better sword than a shinigami from a flee market or shopping channel.

Zoro never almost killed a giant evil zombie. Oz was a team effort.

Que ridiculous argument about tensile strength of materials and there is not enough evidence to judge Zaraki's speed that are devoid of common sense.

And even if he wasn't better than kenpachi now, he would be by the end of OP. Because everyone knows he'll eventually have a final showdown with Mihawk, and win. And Mihawk is better than any bleach swordsman.

All true. Mihawk shit on every bleach swordsman with a few generic attacks and Zoro will too. Just wish we saw more swordsman in between Zoro&Mihawk's current level. More from Vista and Vice Admirals would be nice.

[TheNEWguy]

do you guys even know how easy it is to cut trough steel? well, not industrial steel where they use to make the missile silos and stuff, but normal steel, normal everyday steel? you could cut through a 1 inch thick steel bar with a normal cheap ass machete ( after repeated tries of course, and with enough force). can you cut through kenpachi with a normal cheap ass machete? I think not. Even with Ichigo using his big as sowrd to try to cut him before, no use, no tell me, steel? or kenpachi's skin? oh yeah, the harder steels technically don't exist in the one piece universe yet, unless if somehow they manage to develope high-teh alloying there.

not to mention that the moment kenpachi takes off his eye-patch, zoro would be rendred useless as he won't be able to move with the reaitsu pressure.

[Yexley]

Yeah, you could swing a katana and cut through steel from a hundred or so metres away with the air created. Easiest thing in the world.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Zoro never did had any REAL fights that would have incredible feats, or mass destruction. His battle with Kaku was probably the most pleasing. I admit there are not too many things we could say about him that would sound that cool, but he still has shown more raw power than zaraki has. kenpachi's best was to cut buildings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZf-WwocIzs

[Ryuksgelus]

do you guys even know how easy it is to cut trough steel? well, not industrial steel where they use to make the missile silos and stuff, but normal steel, normal everyday steel? you could cut through a 1 inch thick steel bar with a normal cheap ass machete ( after repeated tries of course, and with enough force). can you cut through kenpachi with a normal cheap ass machete? I think not. Even with Ichigo using his big as sowrd to try to cut him before, no use, no tell me, steel? or kenpachi's skin? oh yeah, the harder steels technically don't exist in the one piece universe yet, unless if somehow they manage to develope high-teh alloying there.

not to mention that the moment kenpachi takes off his eye-patch, zoro would be rendred useless as he won't be able to move with the reaitsu pressure.

You really want to go to your garage or wal-mart an pick up a machete and put that theory to a test? Send before and after pics a hospital visit to pick out machete fragments from your body. Little difference in industrial steel and normal steel, just how its manufactured, one inch steel isn't being nicked by most things lying around your tool shed. Even something else made out of steel with less thickness.


Because Zoro is weaker than Ganju or Ichigo prior to powering up? Actually re-reading Ken&Ichigo's first fight they don't appear that strong. Anime exaggerates a lot of scenes. His sword never made any depressions in the ground in the manga and they didn't leave a giant crater from the final clash. Outer buildings were wrecked though so give Zaraki the slight power advantage since Zoro cannot cause tha much destruction. Both times he got into a big clash ther wasn't much damage. If he were powered up Zaraki strength the grass and walls of Enies lobby would have been obliterated.

Talking about hybrid metals now? Exist anyway as Kuma and other Pacifista's are made out of metal harder than steel.

[TheNEWguy]

steel is an alloy made from iron and carbon, the more the carbon, the harder it is (and the more brittle it is). So, a steel thing with say... 0.1% carbon? that is still steell, and the steel they use to make screws are 0.3% carbon. now you decide which one would win? a machete swung at a high speed or a steel bar (99% iron, 0.1% carbon). and, little difference between industrial steel and normal steel? listen to yourselft, the steel used for curtain rails only had little difference between the steel used on buildings? oh yeah! they do have a little difference! (sarcasm intended).

High grade steel was only developed AFTER we used steel for ship making. By that time, pirates hardly existed. :D. and to say that I cannot use this arguement basically also says that, cutting through steel( in zoro's case) cannot be used since we annot possibly determine the kind of steel he cut. Where as kenpachi, sliced up buildings. Concrete or not, it is hard to slash down buldings. oh yeah, not to mention that kenpachi's hand can punch thourgh walls (Ichigo and kenpachi fight, not sure about this though)

[Yexley]

Zoro can cut through a whole train car lengthways with 1 slice. That's more impressive than cutting through a conrete building in SS. Zoro also cut through very thick solid concrete a while back when he was weaker than he is now. And you didn't address how he can cut through buildings with air force from his swings. I don't remember Zaraki doing that. Zaraki loses hands down in a very destructive and brutal fight. Zoro would be close to death but he has been many times, he survives the fight.

[benassi-x]

I call a draw.Me thinks they are both equal.

[Ryuksgelus]

steel is an alloy made from iron and carbon, the more the carbon, the harder it is (and the more brittle it is). So, a steel thing with say... 0.1% carbon? that is still steell, and the steel they use to make screws are 0.3% carbon. now you decide which one would win? a machete swung at a high speed or a steel bar (99% iron, 0.1% carbon). and, little difference between industrial steel and normal steel? listen to yourselft, the steel used for curtain rails only had little difference between the steel used on buildings? oh yeah! they do have a little difference! (sarcasm intended).

Always figured curtain rails were mostly aluminum or even tin with maybe a little steel mixed in. Still stand by my original statement you're not cutting through a 1in bar of steel via machete.

High grade steel was only developed AFTER we used steel for ship making. By that time, pirates hardly existed. :D. and to say that I cannot use this arguement basically also says that, cutting through steel( in zoro's case) cannot be used since we annot possibly determine the kind of steel he cut. Where as kenpachi, sliced up buildings. Concrete or not, it is hard to slash down buldings. oh yeah, not to mention that kenpachi's hand can punch thourgh walls (Ichigo and kenpachi fight, not sure about this though)


Arguing we cannot use "so&so" feat because we do not know the tensile strength of certain material is such a weak argument. Author picks a material so we readers can have a reference to know a characters strength. Steel is light iron in layman terms and anybody with a brain has some idea of how it is. Getting into is it .1 carbon, or .4, etc. is ridiculous.

Don't know why you're bringing up punching through walls. Zoro can definitely match that as he's physically on par with Luffy who is stronger than guys who wreck concrete walls all the time like Franky, any cp9 member. and even Miss Monday who made a crater in the ground by punching Zoro in the face. He then proceeded to pick her up 1-handed and tried to crush her skull before she passed out from fear.

Zoro can cut through a whole train car lengthways with 1 slice. That's more impressive than cutting through a conrete building in SS. Zoro also cut through very thick solid concrete a while back when he was weaker than he is now. And you didn't address how he can cut through buildings with air force from his swings. I don't remember Zaraki doing that. Zaraki loses hands down in a very destructive and brutal fight. Zoro would be close to death but he has been many times, he survives the fight.

It kinda isn't when we're talking excess energy doing the deed in SS not a slash or concentrated air. Zaraki also cut through multiple skyscrapers with only one arm. This is concrete plus whatever is keeping those buildings up being sliced through with absolutely no effort involved. Its like cutting through multiple Enies lobby towers, something neither Zoro or Kaku could do. Just sucks like many things in SS, this feat hasn't been matched since.

That is a concept that doesn't even exist in Bleach. If it did Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou would be an even lamer less unique ability than it is now. Bit unfair to give points to somebody for doing something Kubo didn't think include in his universe. Swordsman in series weaker than both OP&Bleach can also fire concentrated air but many are obviously nowhere near Bleach captain level. Its just a move they do.