Is Hitsugaya good?

[Birdyjames]

I've been looking through peoples threads and i cant help but notice that some people say Histugaya's good and others not so good. I just want to know peoples views.

[Feem]

He's moody and strict, but not evil.

[Birdyjames]

He's moody and strict, but not evil.

HAHA, sorry i meant as in Powerful! (Didnt make myself clear about that) :S

[PlotKai]

He's not as strong as other captains, but has a lot potential as the holder of the most powerful ice-snow-zanpakuto in SS.

[xPyrox]

Yeah he's strong, but he's still maturing, he gave Gin a good fight for his money, although didnt use his bankai to do it.

[Jozef]

hes the weakest captain, probably weaker than renji...

[Jeffusz]

Hah, the weakest captain? Weaker than Renji? He isn't one of the strongest captains of the Gotei 13, but he sure isn't the weakest, and he's far superior to Renji. Although, as I said, he isn't one of the strongest captains, he's still one of the strongest in Soul Society.

[IceyHitsugaya23]

he is stronger then some captains but it's only because he is young and his power can't grow as high but when he gets older he will grow more powerful
i remember someone saying that in the anime but i can't remember when i think ukitake said it

[m2mmus]

hes the weakest captain, probably weaker than renji...


Renji's a lieutenant, not a captain. But it's true he is one of the weaker captains, mainly due to his youth and lack of experience. He struggled a little in the Yammy/Luppi/WW fight so this prooves he's average at the very best.

[03szubertb]

Yeah, I don't think he's very powerful at the moment, probably one of the weakest captains, but that's only due to his age. In future, he has the potenital to become powerful. But for now, he's not very good, getting slashed up by Shawlong, and then his shikai just failing to hurt Yammi at all. And then, getting absolutely destroyed by Luppi.

[xPyrox]

I think the weakest captains were konamura and Tousen. Tousen has an awesome bankai, but besides that, he's shit.

Mayuri's probably weaker than Hitsugaya too, his zanpaktu's his only good ability and his knowledge.

So he might be in the middle group of captains

[Warrior of Light]

Hitsugaya is very strong, but still one of the weakest captins. Only read spoiler if you're up to date with where japan is in manga.

He had to use his bankai against a normal arrancer, and still almost lost.

But overall he's not too bad.

[Kode_Kenneth]

hes the weakest captain, probably weaker than renji...
Ok that is just playing stupid. Hitsugaya may be the weakest captain but that does not neccessarily mean that he is weaker than a lieutenant. If that was the case, what is the point in promoting hitsugaya to captain anyway. Well in my opinion, hitsugaya is pretty good in power and fighting skills though he is strict. He hasn't revealed any kidou but shunpo, shikai and bankai. His attributes are good as a captain but he has alot of room to grow stronger in every area and still has alot of times to learn some new abilities especially when his bankai isn't mastered fully. Hitsugaya is strong in one area that I think he surpasses alot of captains in and that is his intelligence. Captains like byakuya, mayuri, yamamato, and Unohana should be better than him in terms of intelligence.

[Warrior of Light]

I think we'll find out more about him and his power when Diamomd Dust Rebellion (think it's the right name) will be translated, or comes out in America. Which could be awhile :(

[Kode_Kenneth]

You have a point there about DaimondDust. It might even help us see the difference in power between ichigo and Hitsugaya.

[Warrior of Light]

Well since the trailer made it sound like EVERYONE was scared of him and his power, he must have something about him we don't know about, or he's just been toying around the entire time.

[He's a Mentalist]

I would say he is the weakest captain when being compared to the others. But that is for now. You have got to get it through your head that Hitsugaya could fight on par, but loose, to some of the more powerful captains. That tells a lot now. once he gets older, preferably Gin's age, Hitsugaya would have the experience behind him and would become much stronger when he is in ban-kai state. He can improve more over the years. He is the opposite of Gin, but good, instead of evil.

[Kode_Kenneth]

Yeah I guess you are right about everything you said except for one thing. What exactly do you mean by saying ' He is th opposite of gin'? I don't think that is completely true but partially true.

[03szubertb]

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I think he meant that he is similar to Gin, as both were hailed as prodigies when they were young, and as Gin got older, he got stronger, so the same will happen to Hitsugaya. They are opposite in the sense that one is good and one is evil though.

Also, has anyone actaully who voted for Hitsugaya actually given a reason why? Because in comparison to other characters he is not that strong, so I personally don't see how he could be powerful at all...

[Jeffusz]

It's just stupid saying Hitsugaya is weak, just because he nearly lost to Shawlong Qufang. Back than he had his power limited, by 80%, meaning that when his limiter got removed he was 5 times stronger. When his limiter actually got removed, Shawlong tried to flee, but got beaten in 1 hit. I also heared someone saying Hitsugaya is weaker than Renji. I thought Renji also got humiliated by a "mere" Arrancar without his limiter removed? It's just bullshit saying he's weak, just because he "nearly" got beaten by Shawlong Qufang.

Also at the ones saying a lot will become clear about Hitsugaya; I don't think that's really something to be taken seriously. I mean, it's a movie, so basically it's just a filler just like the other movie: Memories of Nobody.

[03szubertb]

When his limiter actually got removed, Shawlong tried to flee, but got beaten in 1 hit.

While Shawolong tried to flee and was defeated, as he died, he basically killed Hitsugaya, leaving a gaping wound, and nearly killing him, if it were not for Orihime. His bankai faded as his strength was so low.

I thought Renji also got humiliated by a "mere" Arrancar without his limiter removed

Yup and Renji sucks, so you're only digging yourself a hole, by proving that Renji and Hitsugaya aren't that far apart in power.

I notice you have selective memory. What of Yammi and Luppi? Hitsugaya has proven that he cannot compete with the Espada.

[Kode_Kenneth]

Nice to see someone seeing things from my point of view. I think you are right about the movie being a filler just like any other anime movie. and also have to say that I agree with what you say about hitsugaya when compared renji. Hitsugayas' fight with shawlong only ended up the way it did because hitsugay used 20% OF HIS POWER for a long time beefore his release. Too bad his reputation sunk after the luppi fight.
Ok 03szubertb. From what we have seen so far hitsugaya did not use his bankai aganst yami. besides espadas cannot be defeated by shikai except the weak espada rukia fought. Renji may have bankai but it doesn't compare to hitsugaya and that is one reason that their power is far apart. Someone claimed that renji is stronger than hitsugaya and that is another reason why renji was compared to.

[03szubertb]

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I agree that Hitsugaya>Renji. However, I still don't think Hitsugaya is that tough. Luppi completely destroyed Hitsugaya, and as we saw, Luppi is far far weaker than Grimmjow. The Yammi 'fight' was interupted, true, and Hitsugaya didn't use his Bankai, but neither did Yammi use his bala or resurrection. What makes you think that if Hitsugaya went bankai he'd do any better after Yammi releases? Also, Shawlong sliced Hitsugaya after the limit release and almost killed him, despite him being an average Arrancar.

[Jeffusz]

While Shawolong tried to flee and was defeated, as he died, he basically killed Hitsugaya, leaving a gaping wound, and nearly killing him, if it were not for Orihime. His bankai faded as his strength was so low.

Shawlong never defeated Hitsugaya, let alone "basically killed him". Hitsugaya can't keep his bankai up for all that long, plainly because he's not old enough to fully master it, that's why his bankai has a limit. It has nothing to do with not having enough strenght, really. Actually, he has more than enough strenght to master bankai.


Yup and Renji sucks, so you're only digging yourself a hole, by proving that Renji and Hitsugaya aren't that far apart in power.

I'm not saying Renji and Hitsugaya aren't far apart, since they actually are far apart. Renji clearly said he probably couldn't have won against Ilfort Grantz if he wasn't confused and overwelmed by this sudden change of event. In addition, Shawlong saw the massive gap between their powers immediatly, that's why he fled. With Renji, though, the difference between him and Ilfort Grantz wasn't all that big.


I notice you have selective memory. What of Yammi and Luppi? Hitsugaya has proven that he cannot compete with the Espada.

Hitsugaya never finished his fight with Yammy, because Luppi suddenly took it over from Yammy. Perhaps Hitsugaya couldn't have won, but who knows? I mean, they never finished it. And also Luppi didn't defeat Hitsugaya. It was actually rather the other way round. After Hitsugaya was out of sight and made his move against Luppi, Luppi was overwhelmed and nearly dead, untill they retreated to Hueco Mundo. Hitsugaya never lost a fight to any Arrancar or Espada.

[Kode_Kenneth]

OK even if u are unsure of the outcome between hitsugaya and yami, it is obvious that hitsugaya would have defeated yami if he used his full power. Yami released would have still lost to hitsugaya. Yamis' special ability focuses more on his tough skin and brute stength. Besides if hitsugaya loses to luppi that would mean that luppi is weaker than yami. Yamis' full power should be close to the power of the espada that rukia managed to defeat. The only reason why hitsugayas' shikai did not affect yami is because of yamis' physical strength and tough skin and not his power.

[03szubertb]

OK even if u are unsure of the outcome between hitsugaya and yami, it is obvious that hitsugaya would have defeated yami if he used his full power
No it's not.
Yami released would have still lost to hitsugaya
How do you figure that?
Yamis' special ability focuses more on his tough skin and brute stength.
That's not confirmed, you're guessing. (Do you mean his ressurection power?)
Besides if hitsugaya loses to luppi that would mean that luppi is weaker than yami.
How on earth does that mean that?! Hitsugaya<Luppi I don't see how Luppi<Yammi is proven by this at all
Yamis' full power should be close to the power of the espada that rukia managed to defeat
Rukia got well and truly crushed. She lost pathetically, and while her body lay on a trident, she lucked out. Power-wise, 9th espada was far far stronger than Rukia. Espada are also ranked on deadliness, not strength. Yammi could be physically stronger.
The only reason why hitsugayas' shikai did not affect yami is because of yamis' physical strength and tough skin and not his power.
No, Yammi's power has something to do with it. By that logic, the strongest person in Bleach, say, Yammamoto, couldn't hurt Yammi because of his strength and skin. Obviously he can. There is a power gap which means that while Hitsugaya cannot harm Yammi, other people can because they are stronger than him.

@Jeffuz: I'l get back to you. This post is long enough already

[Duststorm]

I think Hitsugaya would have difficulty defeating Yammi, he would need more then his Zan perhaps he knows some decent Kido.

Also is it any surprise that Hitsugaya is the weakest captain? According to the databook he is the youngest captain in SS history which shows that he still has enormous potential.

If he reaches adulthood he would be at least just as strong as the mid tier captains if not stronger.

For his age he is pretty good.

[kvb666]

OK guys...first regarding shawlong(the guy who got defeated in released state by Hitsugaya once he was at 100% power)the injuries made by shawlong wen Hits was at 20% power were obviously going to stay there wen he returned to full power
his fight with Hits only meant that he was stronger than Hits at 20%

regarding Yammi...during his fight he was using shikai...and he had just concluded that the shikai was not guna work on an espada wen he got interrupted...so it doesn't mean he's weaker than Yammi...he was just learning about his new enemy

nd finally regarding luppi(who was no.6 nd hence powerful than no.10)...Hits did not get destroyed...he was fluking...to get more time so he could kill him
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-234-page-16.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-234-page-17.html
as you'll notice...he's unscathed...meaning he wasn't "destroyed" by luppi
and luppi only survived coz of negacion...otherwise Aizen wud've had to pik another 6th espada

so in conclusion,Hitsugaya is not as weak as people make him out to be.

[thebassman]

very. Its just that we see him fight so much he lost some of his superman. The other captains haven't been seen fighintng nearly as much. The thing is someone like Ichigo god powers the anime and beats things in half the time it took a captain to beat. Its just unbalanced, hitsugaya is VERY strong. I mean VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY.

[Kode_Kenneth]

Ok 03szubertb so I made a miistake by saying luppi < yami if hitsugaya lost to luppi. and yes know that yamis' power had something to do with his physical strength and tough skin. A shikai like yamamatos' can affect yami no question. You said that yammi could defeat hitsugaya and that is why I compared him to luppi. Most of the espadas can only be defeated by using bankai and even if they are in their released state they can still be defeated by using bankai. It all depends on the power of the person. Kenpachi for example doesn't use banka but he has raw power of hes' which is unreal. One thing for sure, hitsugaya can defeat someone like yami with his wits. Yami hasn't proven to be one that is smart making him alot easier to defeat compared to other espadas. Hitsugaya will definitely show something unexpected at some point in time. As for kvb666, I very well support his opinion.

[djray]

hes good in the big picture but against espada and other captains hes low tier maybe the weakest we'll find out though

[thebassman]

hes good in the picture but against espada and other captains hes low tier maybe the weakest we'll find out though

k no.

[djray]

ok what makes you think he shouldnt be classified as a low tier captain

[03szubertb]

Hitsugaya will definitely show something unexpected at some point in time
Perhaps, eventually. But for now I still feel that among the captains, he ranks one of the lowest. His shikai's failure to do anything to Yammi was pretty underwhelming, I'm not sure if bankai would help him enough. Perhaps he could win through wits, but that's hardly a testament to his power then, is it?

OK guys...first regarding shawlong(the guy who got defeated in released state by Hitsugaya once he was at 100% power)the injuries made by shawlong wen Hits was at 20% power were obviously going to stay there wen he returned to full power
his fight with Hits only meant that he was stronger than Hits at 20%

regarding Yammi...during his fight he was using shikai...and he had just concluded that the shikai was not guna work on an espada wen he got interrupted...so it doesn't mean he's weaker than Yammi...he was just learning about his new enemy

nd finally regarding luppi(who was no.6 nd hence powerful than no.10)...Hits did not get destroyed...he was fluking...to get more time so he could kill him
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...4-page-16.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...4-page-17.html
as you'll notice...he's unscathed...meaning he wasn't "destroyed" by luppi
and luppi only survived coz of negacion...otherwise Aizen wud've had to pik another 6th espada

so in conclusion,Hitsugaya is not as weak as people make him out to be.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Shawlong put in a strong blow as he died: he would've taken Hitsugaya with him to the grave were it not for Orihime, and this is after the limit release.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-211-page-3.html

Against Yammi, he attacked, and his attack had no effect whatsoever. This isn't insignificant, it's like Ichigo slicing Kenpachi only to find he can't. He didn't launch an attack to 'learn about his enemy'. He's not Mayuri you know. He attacked to do damage.

About Luppi. Are you kidding me?! He got downed in a single blow, falling as a dead weight to the ground groaning out 'sh....shit....' His Bnkai was broken and shattered. He got OWNED.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-232-page-10.html
If this had been a 1v1 Luppi would have finished it there and then. Also, in a normal fight, Hitsugaya has NO chace of using that technique he used because it takes so long to set up. So, even though he took Luppi by suprise and managed to use his greatest attack on him, he failed to kill him. Fact.

[djray]

i also think it is clear that luppi was not at a legitimate 6th espada power level cause previous to being promoted he had no rank indicating he was weaker than the weakest espada

[03szubertb]

i also think it is clear that luppi was not at a legitimate 6th espada power level cause previous to being promoted he had no rank indicating he was weaker than the weakest espada

Yeah, very true. This also can be seen by the ridiculous ease with which Grimmjow killed him.

[Lnrd]

He's strong because he's a captain, but the weakest out of the captains.

[Bluke]

Ok for starters Shawlong had died here:

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-210-page-16.html

As in he was completely annihilated and gone for good the chapter before:

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-211-page-3.html

The fact we see Hitsuguya nearly dying is just him giving in after the injuries caused during the fight, all of which he sustained at 1/5th of his ability, it wasn't a last ditch attack by Shawlong he couldn't do shit to Hitsuguya after the limit release hence the part were he tried to run away and got cut through the throat and taken out in one hit.

And yes you are right, if Orihime wasn't there its safe to bet he might have died, but then again, thats from injuries sustained at 1/5th of his power, if they had all been at full from the start Hitsuguya would have stomped all over Shawlong.

As for fighting against Yami, we didn't really see him go all out, all he said was "looks like Shikai isn't enough to fight against the Espada", its by no means an indication of his ability.

Luppi did one shot Hitsuguya, but as you could see he wasn't exactly down and out, as he still had enough strength left to perform his most powerful attack, we dont know how long it took for him to reform his Bankai, it could have been a pretty quick recovery for all we know, their fight was far from over in the end, even if Luppi is without a doubt stronger than Hitsuguya (which he is not) that doesn't mean Hitsuguya is weak, after all Ichigo with his hollow mask barely beat Grimmjow, Byakuya beat Zomari but only after taking some hefty injuries, and Kenpachi damn near died while fighting Noitra, losing to a mid tier Espada wouldn't mean he's weak.

Before someone says anything NO, I am not a Hitsuguya fan, and no I dont think he has godlike power either, I just dont think he's as weak as everyone says he is, just inexperienced.

Besides he gave Gin a run for his money, granted it was a short fight, but Gin didn't get a single counter attack in.

[03szubertb]

The fact we see Hitsuguya nearly dying is just him giving in after the injuries caused during the fight, all of which he sustained at 1/5th of his ability, it wasn't a last ditch attack by Shawlong
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that huge freaking wounds and massive blood loss occur minutes after you were cut. I should study biology more, right?
As for fighting against Yami, we didn't really see him go all out, all he said was "looks like Shikai isn't enough to fight against the Espada", its by no means an indication of his ability.
Why not? If Ichigo's getsua getenshou did no damage to an opponent, we should ignore it, because 'he wasn't trying' or some crap like that?
losing to a mid tier Espada wouldn't mean he's weak.
He lost to a weak fill-in espada, previously unranked, suggesting that he is weaker than the 10th Espada. He was killed instantly by Grimmjow shortly after this, once again proving his weakness.
Luppi did one shot Hitsuguya, but as you could see he wasn't exactly down and out,
Yes, but just because one attack didn't finish him, doesn't disprove the fact that Luppi would've stomped on Hitsugaya in a 1v1.
Besides he gave Gin a run for his money, granted it was a short fight, but Gin didn't get a single counter attack in.
Nope. That's just not right. Gin messed around, had a little fun, fighting a shikai with a unreleased sword. Then he decided to attack Hinamori and Hitsugaya with his shikai. This blow nearly killed Hitsugaya. But it's not a counter, silly me. Then, Gin proceeds to break the ice instantly with his reiatsu and walk off.

[Darkmaterials]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that huge freaking wounds and massive blood loss occur minutes after you were cut. I should study biology more, right?

It's a manga lol, real world physics don't always apply.

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I think Hitsu is strong in general in the bleach universe, but he is weak compared to the other captains and the espada.

His fight with Shawlong shows this, can you imagine any other captain using shikai (around 1/5 or less the strength of bankai) who would be unable to defeat unreleased Shawlong?

[03szubertb]

It's a manga lol, real world physics don't always apply.
I guess, but I don't think massive wounds like that would occur ages after the fight. It was likely a final attack from Shawlong, and the wounds opened only seconds after he died. I mean, the last attack that Shawlong delivered was a long time before this: Hitsugaya had the limit release thing, and then charged Shawlong as he ran, even in manga that's a long time for wounds to appear.

[Darkmaterials]

I think it had something to do with Hitsu holding back the wounds with his reiatsu, and when he ran out of energy/reiatsu he couldn't do it anymore.

[03szubertb]

I think it had something to do with Hitsu holding back the wounds with his reiatsu, and when he ran out of energy/reiatsu he couldn't do it anymore.
Good idea, that's possible. Although running out of energy against a normal Arrancar just makes Hitsugaya more crap...

[Jeffusz]

The only reason he ran out of reiatsu that fast is because he couldn't fight him at full power from the start. If that weren't the case, it wouldn't have ended like that.

[djray]

haha agreed 03szubert

[Jeffusz]

Sincerely, if you agree that Shawlong and Hitsugaya are even, do you actually know what was going on out there? Lol

[Xelphus]

i think its funny that everyone is saying the hitsugaya is only weak right now because of his age. that makes me laugh. if we do the math, he's been in SS for at least 50 years right? he grew up with hinamori, and we see her joining the academy with Renji, Rukia, and Izuru. I might be wrong, but Byakuya brought Rukia into the Kuchiki house before he was captain, and he was made captain 50 years before the current storyline.

Anyways my point is that Hitsugaya has prbly been a shinigami for a few years, and got his bankai quickly, blah blah blah. He's still got to be over 50.

Ichigo on the other hand, gained true Shinigami powers (meaning his own, not borrowed) and bankai within 30 days, and fought 2 captains while surviving.

Yes, I understand that Ichigo learns fast, but still, he is far younger than Hitsugaya.

Sorry, just wanted to point that out, on topic:

Gin was fooling around with Hitsugaya, he's smiling almost the whole time. As far as the Luppi fight is concerned, Hitsugaya only won because of his ice prison thing that takes forever to use.

[Bluke]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that huge freaking wounds and massive blood loss occur minutes after you were cut. I should study biology more, right?

Because anime adheres so strictly to the laws of human biology and anatomy. You can clearly see Shawlong die in the previous chapter before Hitsuguya's wounds become apparent, and it wasn't minutes, it was more like seconds, this type of thing happens all the time throughout bleach when a character suffers injuries but the blood spurts dont occur until after the fight is over, like here:

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-113-page-17.html

Same thing, similar amount of time passed aswell, its basically when a fights over and they just give in, which means every wound inflicted on Hitsuguya by Shawlong was when he had his limiter on, their fight proves nothing about
Hitsguya's strength, it doesn't mean hes strong or that he's weak, it has no bearing on this argument at all really.

Why not? If Ichigo's getsua getenshou did no damage to an opponent, we should ignore it, because 'he wasn't trying' or some crap like that?

I didn't say Hitsuguya wasn't trying did I?, no, just that he hadn't gone all out, and he hadn't realised that Shikai wouldn't be enough for the Espada, just because his shikai did nothing to Yami proves Zilch, Uraharas barely did anything to him either.

He lost to a weak fill-in espada, previously unranked, suggesting that he is weaker than the 10th Espada. He was killed instantly by Grimmjow shortly after this, once again proving his weakness.

How doe's it suggest Luppi was weaker than the 10th Espada, incase you hadn't noticed he was bossing Yami around and forced him to give up his opponent so he could have more fun, tell me, would Yami let him do that if he was indeed stronger than Luppi?

Also its clearly stated that the Espada are ranked by how powerful they are, being 6th means he was the 6th strongest Espada, no question, if he was weaker than the others then someone else within the Espada would have been promoted to 6th instead.

Yes, but just because one attack didn't finish him, doesn't disprove the fact that Luppi would've stomped on Hitsugaya in a 1v1.

It doesn't prove he would have either, as I said we dont know how long it took Hitsuguya to recover, it could have been extremely quickly, lets not forget that Hitsuguya actually froze half of Luppi's arms and broke them before he used that final attack of his, im guessing that he could have been able to do that in a 1v1?

Nope. That's just not right. Gin messed around, had a little fun, fighting a shikai with a unreleased sword. Then he decided to attack Hinamori and Hitsugaya with his shikai. This blow nearly killed Hitsugaya. But it's not a counter, silly me. Then, Gin proceeds to break the ice instantly with his reiatsu and walk off.

Find the chapter in the manga, Hitsuguya was all over Gin throughout the fight, Gin was definately not messing about, he was not smiling throughout the fight, he was only smiling at the beginning, once Hitsuguya actually started to attack his smile quickly dissapeared, he was barely able to dodge, he didnt even have the opportunity to make a single counter attack, except as you pointed out at the very end when he fired Shunsou at Hitsuguya who then defelected it, the only reason the fight didn't continue is because of Matsumoto's intervention.

And at the very end of the fight Gin's arm is still frozen i'll think you'll find.

[mebidtt13]

He isn't really weak, he just doesn't have alot of experience. Besides, his bankai has a limit.

[Vic]

I think it had something to do with Hitsu holding back the wounds with his reiatsu, and when he ran out of energy/reiatsu he couldn't do it anymore.

lol at this thread..btw he froze his wounds so the bleeding would stop. Pretty simple technique.

[03szubertb]

Same thing, similar amount of time passed aswell
I'm pretty sure that the time taken for Hitsugayas wound to appear was longer: the whole limit release thing, then the explanation, then the chase, then the kill. While in your example, Ichigo falls, followed by Kenpachi. Still, I can't prove it, but as Darkmaterials said, if the wound occured earlier:
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I think it had something to do with Hitsu holding back the wounds with his reiatsu, and when he ran out of energy/reiatsu he couldn't do it anymore.
Uraharas barely did anything to him either.
Good idea, that's possible. Although running out of energy against a normal Arrancar just makes Hitsugaya more crap...
Uraharas barely did anything to him either.
Well it did a hell of a lot more than Hitsugayas
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-235-page-5.html
Also its clearly stated that the Espada are ranked by how powerful they are, being 6th means he was the 6th strongest Espada, no question, if he was weaker than the others then someone else within the Espada would have been promoted to 6th instead.
Yes, and so logically, 7th Espada would have moved up to fill the 6th Espada's place, being the next most powerful. However, instead, an unranked Arrancar takes Grimmjow's place. In this case, politics were used to decide Luppi's placement: the arrogant twat who pissed Grimmjow off. Aizen was just messing with Grimmjow, maybe because he shows a lack of respect or loyalty.
It doesn't prove he would have either, as I said we dont know how long it took Hitsuguya to recover,
Well, it wasn't that quick for sure. The others kept fighting long enough to sustain these injuries:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-233-page-7.html
Then Luppi caught them all:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-233-page-10.html
Then the whole deal about Matsumoto:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-233-page-11.html
Then the appearance of Urahara:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-233-page-12.html
This should establish at least a few minutes have passed.
Hitsuguya actually froze half of Luppi's arms and broke them before he used that final attack of his, im guessing that he could have been able to do that in a 1v1?
This was just because he caught him by suprise. By attacking straight on, the result was a thourough crushing of Hitsugaya, and Luppi would not be distracted in a 1v1. The evidence suggests Luppi would defeat Hitsugaya in a 1v1.
Find the chapter in the manga, Hitsuguya was all over Gin throughout the fight,
I read it. I see no evidence that Hitsugaya was 'all over' Gin at all. There was a bit of show casing, which Gin dodged, then the freezing, then Shinsou fired. I fail to see how Hitsugaya had the advantage, or how Gin was 'serious'. You are right that his arm is frozen at the end of the fight, but it isn't his sword arm. That gives him no disadvantage at all really.

[Jeffusz]

Sincerely, 03szubertb, no offence, but I suggest you go read some chapters of those fights again, because you gave some examples and replies on things which just got no sense at all, some aren't even fact.

[03szubertb]

Sincerely, 03szubertb, no offence, but I suggest you go read some chapters of those fights again, because you gave some examples and replies on things which just got no sense at all, some aren't even fact.

(/supercilous arrogance) Please point these out to me so that I may improve my service in future. I aim to please of course. (/supercilious arrogance)

[Jeffusz]

There are some points, not all ofcourse. Don't feel like posting them all, just read some other posts of mine if you want to know what I mean, for example. No offence though.

[Inazagi]

Hitsugaya wouldn't seem so awful, if he hadn't been so overly hyped up during his fight with Gin.

"The most powerful Ice type Zanpakutou."
"If you're within 12 kilometres, I can't guarantee I won't kill you!"

All we've been shown so far is a weak Hitsugaya, so I'm going to say no, he's not powerful.

[Darkmaterials]

lol at this thread..btw he froze his wounds so the bleeding would stop. Pretty simple technique.

When did that happen?

[Jeffusz]

When did that happen?

After his fight with Shawlong Qufang. :unsure:

[Darkmaterials]

All it shows is Hitsu losing his bankai then collapsing, it doesn't say anything about his wounds being frozen....

[Hiwapi]

Well i think that Hitsugaya rocks! he wouldnt be a captain if he wasnt at least worth it
i dont say that there arent any other captains better than him but we cant compare captains can we?
Either way Hitsugaya its ok and he still has a lot to learn/achieve...i have high expectations from him :P

[Birdyjames]

I think he has more power he just hasnt shown it yet! Maybe... whos knows...

[Jeffusz]

Neh, he ain't more powerfull than we have seen untill now. He's been in tight spots plenty of times, and I don't see why he would hold back in such fights. We've seen him going all out several times, and this is his limit.

[Bluke]

The really annoying thing is just that its not really possible to tell how strong he is from the opponents he's faced.

ATM he hasn't had a full fight with someone that he hasn't annihilated when at full strength (Shawlong) or that he hasn't lost to instantly (Aizen), until we see him fight at full power with someone who he seems on par with we cant be sure.

Though I think its safe to say he and Gin are going to have a rematch in the upcoming battle.

[Insanesneak]

I think Histugaya is good and should go out with hinamori

[BradHarris]

hitsugaya is the balls, my personall favourite of the captains

[GregHouse]

^ Two very constructive posts indeed.

Hitsugaya is the weakest captain. Take it whichever way you want to.

[Razor Shultz]

Hitsugaya's bankai isn't fully developed. Saying he sucks because he's young doesn't really say anything about his fighting ability.

In terms of physical strength, yes he probably is one of the weakest, if not the weakest captain.

In terms of fighting ability and being able to fight real tough enemies, he'd kick the ass of off komamura fox head, tousen, and that freak mayuri.

Just my .02

[Kokoro694]

I think that Hitsugaya is very strong when you look at all of his skills. He's very young so he's not at his strongest yet, he already has Bankai and so chances are, it will be getting stronger later on, he's VERY intelligent, he is very strong for his age. So, compared to the other captains AND THEIR AGE, he is pretty superior to them. Really he isn't weak. He can fight people with much more experience than him and WIN. Don't think about just his current level of fighting, think of EVERYTHING about him, age, intelligence, experience, EVERYTHING that counts. Once you do that he is actually quite strong!!

[GregHouse]

In terms of fighting ability and being able to fight real tough enemies, he'd kick the ass of off komamura fox head, tousen, and that freak mayuri.

Hitsugaya lost to luppi and yammi. He ain't touching any other captain.

What he can do in the future means absolutely shit. His age, his experience, his (lack of) intelligence. All mean absolutely nothing. The question was is hitsugaya strong. The answer? No. He is the weakest captain.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

yeah he is weak he is crap now and maybe in the future he is going to be strong but that doesnt matter we are in the present

[Lost_Prophet]

I believe he is one of weaker captains as well, but that doesnt deter the fact that he still rocks. Hope to see alot more of his battles!

[Koshka_Goddess]

Hitsugaia is a low level captain, but he is still just a child so he has still has a lot of growing to do before he reaches his full potential. I also think he is a douchebag who needs to get that stick pulled out of his ass. :yorucat:

[Birdyjames]

Bearing in mind he achieved the rank of captain at a very young age means he must have potential, but i agree he isnt the most powerful!:suspicious:

[Yoruichi-hime]

Hitsuagaya is certainly not as strong as other captains (he's a captain just because of his bankai! and skills) but i think in the future he will become the most powerful shinigami and i have proofs for that......
He's a genious that achieved bankai and captain title in a very short amount of time. No other Bleach captain is a genious except Gin... but even Gin was not so strong at that age! He became a captain 50 years after he entered the Gotei 13 in a big age(he was already a man!) meanwhile Hitsugaya is a captain and also a kid.... If he survives the battle he might become the next General Commander

[03szubertb]

^
That's not proof...Gin was a prodigy, and you don't know his strength compared to Hitsugaya when he was this age. Byakuya was also a prodigy, as was Aizen (I would guess) and definately Ichigo. In fact, we're not sure how young Hitsugaya is: Byakuya is certainly young too. If anything, Ichigo will become the strongest, having crushed Hitsugaya's 'feats', getting Bankai in 3 days, and rising from a human to a captain class Shinnigami in unprecendented time. Your argument is seriously flawed.

[Duststorm]

I do think that once Hitsugaya becomes an adult he will be an formidable captain.

Though I do wonder if Gin did have the same talent as Hitsugaya why did he not become a captain shortly after the Vaizards were exiled? Instead he became a captain way later.

[03szubertb]

I do think that once Hitsugaya becomes an adult he will be an formidable captain.

Though I do wonder if Gin did have the same talent as Hitsugaya why did he not become a captain shortly after the Vaizards were exiled? Instead he became a captain way later.

Yes, I agree. He will probably be formidable in the future, but there is no evidence that he will become the strongest of them all, which she said she had. About Gin: well, it was all part of Aizen's planning, probably. Aizen himself stayed as a VC, keeping away from too much attention for quite a while.

[Duststorm]

Yes, I agree. He will probably be formidable in the future, but there is no evidence that he will become the strongest of them all, which she said she had. About Gin: well, it was all part of Aizen's planning, probably. Aizen himself stayed as a VC, keeping away from too much attention for quite a while.

So a kid who became a third seat by murdering the previous third seat does not attract much attention? I wonder how Gin got away with that.

[03szubertb]

So a kid who became a third seat by murdering the previous third seat does not attract much attention? I wonder how Gin got away with that.

I think Aizen was the only witness. I don't remember exactly when it happened, but it might have been overshadowed by the hollowfication event, in which several Captains and Vice Captains were mysteriously hollowfied, and 2 were exiled.

[blindcaligrapher]

Hitsugaya is definitely on the weaker end of the captains... Take into account how young he still is and his title as a prodigy I'ld say that it's safe to assume he'll end up as one of the strongest though

[Duststorm]

I think Aizen was the only witness. I don't remember exactly when it happened, but it might have been overshadowed by the hollowfication event, in which several Captains and Vice Captains were mysteriously hollowfied, and 2 were exiled.

Or SS does not care about low ranking Shinigami.

Nobody cared about third seat or the bombs Mayuri used.It must be depressing for the lowerer rank shinigami because nobody will care if you die and the person who kills you will get away with it if they have higher rank.

[03szubertb]

^
Lol, very true.

[toyotanos]

I think that he'll be much stronger than most when he finally matures, but until then, he's just a ho-hum shinigami with some WTF abilities. Plus he must be the youngest captain ever, let alone bankai-user.

[Robcat]

Hitsugaya is strong, I mean regardless of whether you like Gin or not he is really good, and hitsugaya was fightin easily on par with him, yes im sure it has already been brought up but his main weakness is his age , which hinders him from carrying is bankai for a long time

[Lemon]

Hitsugaya is strong :amused: i think it's the captain we've seen most of!

[viewtiful-j]

I think dat he is good! As in Strong..
But i think he's a character sometimes used to
show off other characters..
like a mat T-T....................
cus he's young & stuff.....
But i think he'll defo be stronger when he completes his Bankai
and becomes older cus he is only 32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WTF]

he not Weak his powers just need to grow

[annsaint]

we do see a lot of him, and he usually messes up as a commander. maybe yamamoto is trying to sabotage soul society by always sending hitsugaya out. hitsugaya is gonna be mad mad if that's true.

[fifenfk]

Taking into consideration his age and the skill level he is at already time is on his side but against the other Gotei 13 taichou's i think title of the least powerful is between toushiro and komamaru.Just my opinion.

[03szubertb]

we do see a lot of him, and he usually messes up as a commander. maybe yamamoto is trying to sabotage soul society by always sending hitsugaya out. hitsugaya is gonna be mad mad if that's true.
lmao!

Taking into consideration his age and the skill level he is at already time is on his side but against the other Gotei 13 taichou's i think title of the least powerful is between toushiro and komamaru.Just my opinion.
Yeah, I agree

[djray]

he clearly has not reached his potential...but he is one of the weaker characters we've seen and i come to this conclusion cause he is always just barely gettin by when have we ever seen him pwn anyone...yea i cant think of any either

[Duststorm]

he clearly has not reached his potential...but he is one of the weaker characters we've seen and i come to this conclusion cause he is always just barely gettin by when have we ever seen him pwn anyone...yea i cant think of any either

Does one hit kill count as pwning? If so he did kill shawlong in one hit.

[djray]

Does one hit kill count as pwning? If so he did kill shawlong in one hit.

yea imo having to use his full capt level power on a gillian level arrancar is a failure to say the least but he did pwn even though it almost cost him his life

edit: basically if i had to pick capts, vizards, deserters, substitute shinigami and humans for my side in the WW hed be last pick for my side except for rukia

[Kenpachi Bankai08]

I think he will mature, he still a young Captain. We can most likely expect him to grow, and grow. .stronger and stronger.

[03szubertb]

edit: basically if i had to pick capts, vizards, deserters, substitute shinigami and humans for my side in the WW hed be last pick for my side except for rukia
lol

I think he will mature, he still a young Captain. We can most likely expect him to grow, and grow. .stronger and stronger.
Probably, he has potential. But potenital is different from strength. At the moment, he's pretty bad, although he could improve in future. That doesn't change his strength now though.

[McFlyan]

He's not that strong......yet. Renji would give him a good fight but Renji is the strongest lieutenant and Hitsugaya is the weakest captain in my opinion (that's probably why he acts hard all the time, he's trying to overcompensate for not being really strong among other captains) and Renji would probably lose to him at the moment. I would have voted NO on Hitsugaya

[trey]

He's not that strong......yet. Renji would give him a good fight but Renji is the strongest lieutenant and Hitsugaya is the weakest captain in my opinion (that's probably why he acts hard all the time, he's trying to overcompensate for not being really strong among other captains) and Renji would probably lose to him at the moment. I would have voted NO on Hitsugaya

idk if renjis the strongest lieutenant but he would lose to hitsugaya

[+Blue+]

He just needs time, he just lacks the experience of the other captains.

[June]

I don't have any real reasons to dislike him but I still do. even his name says what he is. gay.

:oh:

[dp300]

People like hitsugaya because he's very popular not because he's strong (which he is not right now). mybe he will get stronger later. but if renji were to fight hitsugaya, hits would pwn his ass easily.

[RYUJINN-JACK]

Thats the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time, Hitsugaya is far from weak.

If he was then why is he a Captain at his age?

03zubert, you say hes not as accomplished in achieving Bankai? Because Urahara and Ichigo did it in three days???

KEEP IN MIND, that the technique used skips Zanpaktou Soul Manifestation, and forces the Zanpak out. Hitsu?? Weak?? Do you know that most Shinigami cannot do this including Ichigo?

Hitsugaya is far from weak. And you think Luppi wins a 1 v 1 fight against Hitsu?? Did you read the Manga? Or did you just gloss over it.

I'll explain. Hitsu got caught off guard and attack after Luppi release and gets smashed from 8 different angles... After REGENERATING his Bankai, he counter attacks, the counter attack traps and nearly kills the arrancar.

where was hitsu "owned" in this?? entertain me

[StalkerPizza]

Not really. He is one of the weak captains and his bankai doesn't last very long and isn't as powerful as most of the captains that have bankai.

[Hachuyani]

I think he's cool, although a lot of people dislike him, I think his protective attitude and unique Zanpaku-to ability makes him a cool, yet not necessarily strong Captain.

[Guts]

He is not strong at all in comparison to the other captains. He was getting his ass kicked by a sealed numeros while using his bankai. Even though he was only using 20% of his power, that's still pretty weak, as opposed to captains like Kenpachi who defeated the 5th espada. Even Kenpachi is only a mid tier captain. High tier captains include Shunsui, Ukitake, and possibly Unohana. This would make Hitsugaya a low tier captain. So to answer your question, he is not good.

[arctic_zakura077]

hmmm...

in terms of how he adapts in a situation, i can say he can adapt well. he is aware and alert in any fight he is into. he is strategic in a sense.

in terms of his strength, i can say he is not that strong compared to the other captains; however, there is still that aspect in his strength that somehow tells you he cannot be underestimated.

this is how i perceive him of course. the others in this thread do have valid viewpoints with regards hitsugaya being good or not.

[pumpkin13]

I think he's cool, although a lot of people dislike him, I think his protective attitude and unique Zanpaku-to ability makes him a cool, yet not necessarily strong Captain.

Unique? What... cus i haven't seen an ice elemental sword before... and Rukia's got an ice zan as well, and if anything has been much more successful with it.

[(SIC)NESS]

i think hitsugaya will become stronger as he get's older if he can hold on to the ice flowers longer he''s be stronger or can at least maintain his bankai longer i think we will see him grow a lot more in the future (or he gets killed)

[Stinky Puss]

He's cute, though fails at everything else.

[darkp]

He does not look too powerfull references to the luppi and yammy fight. He has a great potential, he is too young need experience at best , if he could reach 2k age than he might be as powerful as yamamoto.

[Xova]

He does not look too powerfull references to the luppi and yammy fight. He has a great potentiali, he is too young need experience at best , if he could reach 2k age than he might be as powerful as yamamoto.

I doubt it considering going by the databooks Hitsugaya's already unlocked a fair bit of his own personal potential yet he is still relatively weak, and his overall remaining space for growth isn't too large either compared to the likes of Kenpachi and Gin who's already stonger than him currently anyways. He's only captain material because he peaked earlier than others, on the long run once he reached the upper boundary of what limited potential he has left he won't be getting that much stronger.

[Spectre]

Toshiro is improving!! His powers has a castle room to grow!!!

[kochito22]

Read the post above you. He peaked early. He doesn't have much room for growth.

[MissTaken]

He's a captain, so obviously he has a more than decent amount of skill. But he talks too much much shit and barks up way too much for his skill level. He gets smashed everytime we see him, and he peaked too early. Personally, I think it's all downhill from here.

[Kel_Lorien]

I don't think he has peaked yet. He is still very young, so his power can only go up. It just so happens that he has already unlocked his abilities, but he is not very skilled with them yet. Once he can hold on to his bankai longer, he will be able to put more power behind any given attack. I say he has room to grow.

[Szarlej]

I don't think he has peaked yet. He is still very young, so his power can only go up. It just so happens that he has already unlocked his abilities, but he is not very skilled with them yet. Once he can hold on to his bankai longer, he will be able to put more power behind any given attack. I say he has room to grow.

He can even have potential like Yama-jii. But he is still a puppy.

[Nephi]

I think he is powerfull but his Zan' spirit is a bit arrogant and doesnt give him all of the power.
Yes it sounds like Hichigo but I think its similar.

Just a thought anyway :)

[Rosh]

i think he is strong but he has much to learn, And he is definitly stronger than Renji!!!!

[Dee1nOnly]

Some ppl think he just peaked early. He must have some pretty serious reiatsu (or potential reiatsu) in order to get his zanpakuto's spirit materialize in his dream is no small matter. That's no small matter considering he was so young and have no training whatsoever..that must have meant something. No doubt he has potential, but right now he's pretty weak due to lack of training, he's only been a shinigami for less than 50 years i think.

[Birdyjames]

I was surprised to find this thread still going strong! I made this when i first joined :guitar1:

Anyways- I guess we will have to see when/if Hitsugaya matures thn we may see his potential.

[Davo1515]

If you mean power, then he's a low-tier capt. He's used his bankai in almost every fight and hasnt always won. He is certainly over his head currently. I definetly agree he's one of the weakest captains, it's not that i hate Hitsu or anything, he's just currently weak.

[Dean]

I like Toshiro a lot. He's kind of coll, and I love his hair style :p

[TheLegend/MVP]

Hitsugaya is strong alot stronger then everyone thinks what i think made him look weak was the part when Aizen poke him like squishy a little spider... he took on the 6th espada the 1 when Grimm lost his arm without any difficulty so how can he be weak ? and i am well sure he is 1 billion times more stronger then Renji ...

[Rosh]

Hitsugaya is strong alot stronger then everyone thinks what i think made him look weak was the part when Aizen poke him like squishy a little spider... he took on the 6th espada the 1 when Grimm lost his arm without any difficulty so how can he be weak ? and i am well sure he is 1 billion times more stronger then Renji ...

Agreed the one thing that made him look weak was when Aizen poked him like a squishy little spider lol

[wolffsAsquirrel]

But its Aizen... no one really knows his level imo... Hits is like Bleaches Version of Gohan in DBZ Imo, young, untapped power. a prodigy. Just wait for his "Cell Saga" so to speak and then you will see a true capt.

[Hitsugaya_Hinamori]

Of course he is good.People say that he is bad maybe because they hate him..Even

He not that strong but can become a captain in the age of 15(LOL i dont know

when hitsugaya became a captain)of course you cant.You can become a captain

if your like A child prodigy.

[TW501]

He is one of the less powerful captains, but is still pretty strong. Since he's young, he'll probably become more powerful as time goes on, but not necessarily by a huge amount.

[Yadomaru]

If Hitsugaya wasn't good, he wouldn't be a Captain. Duh.
He's inexperienced and probably not fully developed in terms of his powers and abilities.
But he IS good. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to beat that metrosexual pansy who replaced Grimmjow for a while.
Not that that's saying much.

[Zaylen]

I believe hitsu is really strong and powerfull, but in my opinion he needs one episode or something to show his true full power..

[nightmare_beta]

and we will see it!
he's gonna face off against the number 3 espada. -spiritual pressure-
hes gonna destroy her!!!!
TOUSHIROU HITSUGAYA BITCHES!

[kochito22]

But its Aizen... no one really knows his level imo... Hits is like Bleaches Version of Gohan in DBZ Imo, young, untapped power. a prodigy. Just wait for his "Cell Saga" so to speak and then you will see a true capt.

I wouldn't go that far. Gohan had bursts of power where he'd dominate enemies. Hitsugaya gangbanged Luppi with a swat team and couldn't kill him. Hitsugaya struggled to defeat a gillian arrancar even with bankai because of the limiter.

[Nana]

I think that Hitsugaya definitely has potential to be stronger. At the current level, he is considered a little weaker than most other captain-level Shinigami. This is because of his age and his lack of experience. However, I think with time, he will become as strong if not even stronger than some of the other taicho of Gotei 13

[Retsu Unohana]

I dont think he is the strongest captain. but yet not the weakest he has potential to become better considering his age.

[Rosh]

I dont think he is the strongest captain. but yet not the weakest he has potential to become better considering his age.

Thats what i was saying, he needs time to hone is skill. All he lacks is experience