Itachi & Sasuke VS Jiraya & Naruto

[Soltir]

-both Itachi and Sasuke have Mangekyu Sharingan.
-Itachi's Mangekyu Sharingan severs his body.

Which team would win?

[manje10]

I voted for Itachi and Sasuke, Itachi can control the Kyuubi's chakara cant he?

[Paragon]

Naruto will prove to be a liability sadly enough. At his level he won't be able to do a thing and if he goes all crazy with the 9-Tail's power he'd destroy everyone and everything and thats even if Sasuke or Itachi allow him to even tap into that power.

Itachi and Sasuke win this.

[Soltir]

Probably. Cause right now Sasuke is far beyond Naruto's level and even if we take Itachi and Jiraya as equals, the toad team is in disadvantage.

[ichirukia]

I think Jiraya is beyond Itachi and Naruto's rage can defeat Sasuke...afterall the Uchihas relay mostly on their Sharingan...I'm sure Jiraya has tricks to defeat it and can pass it on to Naruto...I mean yeh he told me the way of getting comrades to change chakra flow...but there's probably other psychological way besides that.

Vote: Jiraya & Naruto

[ShadowKaze]

Jiraya has a huge variety of abilities while Itachi and Sasuke rely mostly on their abilities making them more predictable. It all depends on how strong Naruto has gotten from his training.

[Tank9001]

Jiraya and Naruto would win. I think that in the end they would win because they have stamina and could outlast the others.

[pumpkin13]

Shadowkaze has a good point, both Itach and Sasuke rely heavily on their genjutsu (although Sasuke is also proficient in kenjutsu) but if you adapt yourself to break through their abilities (i think i remember Jiraiya teaching Naruto how to do that by temporarily breaking the chakra flow through your own body) then the genjutsu only becomes so effective. After that Itachi has to break out the big hitters like Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo which all drain him heavily. Jiraiya on the other hand has his Sage abilities
<spoiler if you haven't read the last few manga chapters>i was also gonna ask whether Naruto would also have his sage abilities at this point. And as we now know Sage abilities draw in energy from outsid the users body, essentially giving them a unending resource and replenishing their energy the more they use them. Plus they have the toad summons, bring in the big guns like Gamabunta etc. Even with Naruto's hotheadedness Jiraiya could deal with Itachi while Naruto irritated Sasuke.

[justin43]

Jiraiya and Naruto wins for ShadowKaze and pumpkin13's reasons.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Jiraiya has more experience than Itachi and not to mention that in the anime he would've taken Kisame and Itachi at the same time + all that confidence .
And if Naruto goes into kyubi mode , then there's no stoppin' him also .
So , I think Jiraiya and Naruto would win this one.

[lordxiagan]

Jiraya = Win for this fight. Sorry. Naruto is so-so unless he rages into fox-mode. In which case Jiraya can go peek on chicks in bathing suits while Naruto eats everyone.

Jiraya is way more experienced than all 3 others combined. I'm quite sure he is able to counter MS.

[Yaweh]

itachi has already stated he'd get creamed by Jiraya
plus naruto with this new toad stuff to me it seems to be a no brainier

also both itachi and sasuke are going blind.

the winner seems obvious to me

[Shiyounin]

I think that Jiraiya and Naruto win. If Naruto gets full mastery of his sage mode, he could probably take Sasuke down, although it would be epic. Jiraiya beats Itachi though. Itachi himself has said that he would get his butt handed to him by Jiraiya, I mean come on, (SPOILER!!!) he went toe to toe with a rinnegan. (end spoiler.)

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

i dont see how they can beat suzano

[Z498]

Well looking at Naruto's new abilities, and Jiraiya's toad abilities I think could outmatch the current Sasuke and the deceased Itachi. Sasuke so far we have seen has had a major leap in power, yet he does have limits. While Sasuke may be able to stop Naruto from using the Fox this is truly the only advantage he has over him and with Naruto having toad abilities he should be able to overcome him. Itachi, I am pretty sure Jiraiya could handle him.

[Tachikaze]

Naruto can take both on his own
Sexy Girl on Girl Jutsu
Score 1 for naruto

But seriously Naruto's abilities have been designed by his trainers to be not affected by the copy power of sharringan, this gives him a huge advantage over sasuke and itachi, if you add jiraya into that a guy who has some really incredible powers your looking at a win for the battle toads lol

[Aya]

dont double post please use the edit button

jiraya alone beats them all ~

[excptas]

Naruto and Jiraiya win. Sasuke could probably beat naruto and Jiraiya definately would beat Itachi, which would make it sasuke vs jiraiya, a fight not even sasuke can win.

[btill9000]

Naruto could not defend against Sharingan level genjutsu, so this fight would basically be jiraiya versus sasuke and itachi.

[Yokokorama]

Naruto found a way to avoid Genjutsu. Remember his encounter with Itachi in the forest. Even though it was a 'friendly' encounter, Naruto knows how to hold his own against the Sharingan.

Itachi himself has admitted that he'd get beaten by Jiraiya. And Kisame was with him, so I wouldn't take that statement lightly. Afterall, Jiraiya killed Pein, what, 4 times?

[Sublime]

Naruto could not defend against Sharingan level genjutsu, so this fight would basically be jiraiya versus sasuke and itachi.
You're right.

@Yokokorama: Actually Naruto didn't "hold" his own, Itachi could have killed him right there if he so desired. It just so happens that wasn't his intention, but Naruto was placed in the genjutsu. As for that comment Itachi made there has been a lot of debate between Naruto fans on who he was talking about, he could have referred to Naruto or Jiraiya. And that clearly isn't the case anyways since Itachi was going to fight Jiraiya until he used Gamaguchi Shibari (frog belly move).

[Yokokorama]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/03/

Not saying that hes a pro at dodging Genjutsu, but he is not completely susceptible to it. Of course Itachi could have killed him right there, the difference between them at that time, power wise, was ridiculous. I'm just saying he can avoid Genjutsu. Not saying he is immune to all of it, but hes not completely defenseless.

And even without Itachi's statement, we've seen what Jiraiya is capable of. He killed Pein 4 times (technically). And Pein himself said that if Jiraiya knew his secret earlier, he would have won. Itachi's statement is just an addition to the solid facts we have already seen (regarding to what Jiraiya is capable of).

Naruto isn't going to be completely useless if we're factoring in Sage Mode. Heck, Naruto has his own Genjutsu (assuming Papa and Mama stick on his shoulders).

[densetsu_eikyou]

As for that comment Itachi made there has been a lot of debate between Naruto fans on who he was talking about, he could have referred to Naruto or Jiraiya. Why would Itachi be talking about Naruto. He set it up so Naruto was alone then was half a second from kidnapping him.

[Sublime]

Why would Itachi be talking about Naruto. He set it up so Naruto was alone then was half a second from kidnapping him.
Because in the worst case scenario he could have had great control over it, great control over the strongest Bijuu in existence obviously wouldn't be a good thing. They later discovered however that his level was extremely low as said by Kisame.

@Yokokorama: Knowing how to counter it and actually being able to counter it are two different things, as seen by Naruto and co's confrontation with Itachi back when Chiyo was with them. He knew how to do it then, heck even had a flash back and was caught nonetheless. Same thing with Itachi alone in the forest, Naruto didn't realise that all the while he had been trapped in a Genjutsu from the very beginning. Itachi's Genjutsu is on a whole different level, he has even caught Orochimaru in Genjutsu at the age of what 13? Naruto may not be susceptible to it like he was in the beginning but he still can't tackle top tier Genjutsu.

Anyways I'm not sure why some of you are underestimating Itachi, lol he wasn't even at full health against Sasuke and could have killed him if he so desired. He didn't even use his full arsenal of jutsu, just basically used the Mangekyou Sharingan. Who knows what Itachi with pure killing intent and at %100 could do. Because we sure didn't see it in his 'fight' with Sasuke.

Damn I kinda regret posting now 'cause I see this could go on forever and I can't really be bothered lol

[Yokokorama]

@Yokokorama: Knowing how to counter it and actually being able to counter it are two different things, as seen by Naruto and co's confrontation with Itachi back when Chiyo was with them. He knew how to do it then, heck even had a flash back and was caught nonetheless. Same thing with Itachi alone in the forest, Naruto didn't realise that all the while he had been trapped in a Genjutsu from the very beginning. Itachi's Genjutsu is on a whole different level, he has even caught Orochimaru in Genjutsu at the age of what 13? Naruto may not be susceptible to it like he was in the beginning but he still can't tackle top tier Genjutsu.

Anyways I'm not sure why some of you are underestimating Itachi, lol he wasn't even at full health against Sasuke and could have killed him if he so desired. He didn't even use his full arsenal of jutsu, just basically used the Mangekyou Sharingan. Who knows what Itachi with pure killing intent and at %100 could do. Because we sure didn't see it in his 'fight' with Sasuke.

Damn I kinda regret posting now 'cause I see this could go on forever and I can't really be bothered lol

Yeah, I never said Naruto could completely counter it. I'm not that crazy. All I'm saying is that he isn't completely susceptible.

I'm not underestimating Itachi (don't know if directed at me). He is the second most powerful character in my mind (that we have seen in action), second to only Jiraiya. Pein is "meh" because I didn't see much on his part except not dying. I didn't see anything amazing. I'd have to see more of him.

And we didn't really see Jiraiya's powers properly against Pein. I mean, that Spirit Bomb sized Rasengan was absorbed. Who knows what else he had under his belt that he couldn't use due to Pein's abilities? Don't get me wrong, I know Itachi is very powerful, but I think Jiraiya is a bit ahead.

And yeah, this can go on forever. Its ok, you've told us what you think. We've got both of our messages across, no point of going back and forth when nothing much new is being introduced to the conversation.

[ShadowKaze]

Maybe Naruto would be better at defending genjutsu with senjutsu. With senjutsu on, Naruto's Chakra flow in his body may be different. Maybe this can help him in defending against genjutsu? Who knows.

[AdamShikurai]

Itachi may have been a genius but so was Jiraiya and Jiraiya has maybe dealt with the sharingan before.

Sasuke has more control of his powers that doesn't make him more powerful than Naruto.

Go Sage Mode!

[Viva]

i would think Jiraya would win with naruto.cant really decide though

[Espada #3]

Plus Naruto has those powers which Itachi gave him. So they'll probably be sweet.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

i dont see a good explanation of how jiraiya can defeat susanoo he can use the yatas mirror 2 reflect any atack and the totsuka sword one cut and they would be in an eternal genjutsu

[pumpkin13]

Jiraiya defeats Susanoo by summoning Gamabunta to battle the giant eithereal warrior whilst he takes on Itachi. Not even in sage mode at this point.

[Sublime]

How exactly would Gamabunta negate Susanoo? lmao that wouldn't do jack.

[Yokokorama]

Susanoo may be powerful, but its like a low mileage car, with Itachi's chakra being the gas. Itachi can't keep it up forever.

[Sublime]

He doesn't need to, it can defend and attack at the same time and it's not like Itachi has a low chakra capacity. He's able to use the Mangekyou multiple times before tiring.

[pumpkin13]

i never said it would negate it, it would keep it occupied for at least enough time for Jiraiya to figure something else out. Ultimately, he turns the ground into a swamp and drowns the fuckers.

[Sublime]

Susanoo wouldn't be "occupied" with Gamabunta, it does what Itachi says. If anything it would either ignore Gamabunta or just straight up fuck him up.

[ShadowKaze]

LOL. Susanoo is pretty much hacks... It would suck if Sasuke learns it. He needs to get some original moves.... Not that Naruto has any lol

[Raidori]

FRS, and Oodama are original. just branched off from a moved his father made. But still original though.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

i never said it would negate it, it would keep it occupied for at least enough time for Jiraiya to figure something else out. Ultimately, he turns the ground into a swamp and drowns the fuckers.
gamabunta is a big fat frog with a sword.. he can burn that giant thing with amaterasu easily

[Sublime]

FRS, and Oodama are original. just branched off from a moved his father made. But still original though.
Technically they aren't original, FRS is what the Yondaime actually wanted to achieve with Rasengan and Oodama is just the rasengan mixed some Kyuubi chakra.

[Yokokorama]

He doesn't need to, it can defend and attack at the same time and it's not like Itachi has a low chakra capacity. He's able to use the Mangekyou multiple times before tiring.

Yeah, but as I said, he can't keep it up forever. Sharingan is his Kekkei Genkai (not sure if spelled right), so he can use it pretty easily. Mangekyou is a bit harder to use, but again, its not as hard for him to use as it is for Kakashi. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Susanoo is part of his eye techniques. It seemed to be some sort of technique Itachi "found". Orochimaru was looking for it previously.

And Susanoo did not appear to be that fast, so Jiraiya could probably avoid it for a while.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

Yeah, but as I said, he can't keep it up forever. Sharingan is his Kekkei Genkai (not sure if spelled right), so he can use it pretty easily. Mangekyou is a bit harder to use, but again, its not as hard for him to use as it is for Kakashi. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Susanoo is part of his eye techniques. It seemed to be some sort of technique Itachi "found". Orochimaru was looking for it previously.

And Susanoo did not appear to be that fast, so Jiraiya could probably avoid it for a while.

susanoo is one of the eye techniques he only found the sword and shield 2 make him invincible a shield that can reflect everything and a sword that can defeat everyone with one cut....one cut and jiraiya is fucked

[ShadowKaze]

If he gets cut. Jiraya gains a considerable speed and physical str boost from senjutsu. Susanoo seems to be more of a slow tank.

[Barragan_Nnoitra]

and what he can do 2 destroy the shield and hit itachi???

[ShadowKaze]

Jiraya hadn't shown all his abilities because Pain would have nullified them. Itachi pretty showed all he could do. Many things can happen in this pseudo fight. We can just name past things the characters can do. Who said anything about Itachi using Susanoo or Jiraya using Senjutsu. The fight could end before the 2 even use them. So I won't name anything that could be convenient to my argument because you in turn will just say something of your own.

[pumpkin13]

and what he can do 2 destroy the shield and hit itachi???

Go around it, using Gamabunta and other large frogs as decoys, a shield as that only guards from one direction. Or, as i've already said he could sink the fuckers into the ground using his swamp technique.

[Sublime]

Jiraya hadn't shown all his abilities because Pain would have nullified them. Itachi pretty showed all he could do. Many things can happen in this pseudo fight. We can just name past things the characters can do. Who said anything about Itachi using Susanoo or Jiraya using Senjutsu. The fight could end before the 2 even use them. So I won't name anything that could be convenient to my argument because you in turn will just say something of your own.
Umm no.

Itachi just showed the extent of his power with the Mangekyou Sharingan, he likely has way more jutsu at his disposal than Jiraya.

[pumpkin13]

Thats complete speculation. Considering Jiraiya's alot older than Itachi, and has been wandering for alot of that time, and is a Sannin, mentored the Godaime, was mentored himself by the 3rd, it would be just as viable to say Jiraiya has more jutsus than Itachi.

[Sublime]

Thats complete speculation. Considering Jiraiya's alot older than Itachi, and has been wandering for alot of that time, and is a Sannin, mentored the Godaime, was mentored himself by the 3rd, it would be just as viable to say Jiraiya has more jutsus than Itachi.
Regardless it is speculation with basis.

Itachi is an Uchiha who collect jutsu by just simply looking at them being performed, he's done numerous missions including those he did with ANBU. Even one of Akatsuki's goals was to collect jutsu, bearing all this in mind Itachi likely has a vast arsenal of jutsu.

Orochimaru who was also a Sannin knew of the advantage of having the Sharingan in regard to learning and collecting jutsu. And I think you mean Yondaime.

[pumpkin13]

Indeed so i do mean Yondaime. Okay a fair point with regards to the copying.

However, I still think Jiraiya would have more chakra to utilise throughout the fight. Whilst Itachi would constantly be expending chakra, as soon as Jiraiya enters sage mode, he basically has near unlimited chakra for the period of time that he remains in sage mode.

[ShadowKaze]

Umm no.

Itachi just showed the extent of his power with the Mangekyou Sharingan, he likely has way more jutsu at his disposal than Jiraya.

When has a the sharingan actually copied anything but generic jutsus. Most characters only have worthwhile techniques/fighting styles that suit them and usually only use them in fights.

[Sublime]

Sharingan has notably copied Chidori for example, and does that really matter? The Sharingan still copies any jutsu the user sees whilst activated, whether they choose to put it to use is another matter but that fact can't be disputed.

[ShadowKaze]

There are distinct boundaries in which techniques are copied to prevent hacking. Just like with the use of shadow clones which if used properly would be complete ownage. And If I remember correctly Kakashi trained Sasuke vigorously and that was the reason they were late.
He didn't copy it out of thin air.

[Sublime]

The reason they were late wasn't because of Chidori, Sasuke likely learned that with relative ease. The lateness was due to upping his speed using Rock Lee's movements, Kakashi copied the movements during Lee's fight with Gaara and taught them to Sasuke because Chidori is useless without great speed.

[excptas]

Sharingan has notably copied Chidori for example, and does that really matter? The Sharingan still copies any jutsu the user sees whilst activated, whether they choose to put it to use is another matter but that fact can't be disputed.

i believe it was stated in the manga that there are specific jutsu that cannot be copied with the use of sharingan e.g rasengan and shadow possesion. (i might be wrong and the statement couldve been only reffering to bloodlines)

[Yokokorama]

^ Anything with hand-signs can be copied by Sharingan.

That being said, I doubt copying techniques using that method gives the user the same skill as the original user.

[Sublime]

The only thing that can't be copied by the Sharingan are Kekkei Genkai and some jutsu that don't require handseals, though things like the Rasengan could be copied.

And Yoko yes you would get the skills as the original user provided you mastered the basics of the jutsu i.e. chakra consumption etc

[Hiwapi]

i voted for Itachi and Sasuke...its clearly obvious IMO that both of them own :tongue: (fanboism but what the hell,facts are facts :P)

also i dont think that both naruto and jiraya can do much against Itachi's final mangekiou sharingan attack,i mean the one with the sword and the shield(sorry i cant recall the name)
Sasuke is far more skilled and powerfull atm from Naruto and if we say that Itachi is equal to jiraya(which he isnt) then again IMO the itachi-sasuke team would take this

[ShadowKaze]

also i dont think that both naruto and jiraya can do much against Itachi's final mangekiou sharingan attack,i mean the one with the sword and the shield(sorry i cant recall the name)
Sasuke is far more skilled and powerfull atm from Naruto and if we say that Itachi is equal to jiraya(which he isnt) then again IMO the itachi-sasuke team would take this

True this is fanboyism, though maybe me believing that Jiraya not equal but above Itachi is me being fanboyism as well.

[Hiwapi]

i dont think that if Itachi makes the last ability of his sharingan and calls the "god" with the sword and the shield that Jiraya would do much
but i guess this is just my opinion

[Terabane]

Considering Jiraiya went up against the Rinnegan and survived for as long as he did against 6 bodies is a testament to his power, not to mention Itachi ran from Jiraiya when he went to capture Naruto. No reason to believe Itachi would stomp him.

[Dios k de la muerte]

Itachi and possibly Sasukes Susanoo technique is beyond anything that Jiraiya and Naruto can do. The only way to beat that would be if Jiraiya knows the shinigami jutsu. Naruto is pretty much a non-factor.

[Kaizenou]

Considering Jiraiya went up against the Rinnegan and survived for as long as he did against 6 bodies is a testament to his power, not to mention Itachi ran from Jiraiya when he went to capture Naruto. No reason to believe Itachi would stomp him.

yeah. no doubt about it...
with sannin mode, itachi didn't stand a chance against jiraiya
and with naruto and sasuke naruto will be the winner with his kyuubi.:amused:


Itachi and possibly Sasukes Susanoo technique is beyond anything that Jiraiya and Naruto can do. The only way to beat that would be if Jiraiya knows the shinigami jutsu. Naruto is pretty much a non-factor.

Susano'o is a non-factor... coz it absorb all the user's chakra. and even itachi used susano'o at the nearly end battle:oh

[Dios k de la muerte]

@Kaizenou - I assume all characters are bloodlusted and Itachi is no dummy. No other technique would be as effective as Susanoo. Using it off the bat to quickly kill Naruto and Jiraiya wouldn't drain all of his chakra.

[ShadowKaze]

Well since we are the readers and know everything. Why don't we say that Jiraya is smart enough to just run away from Susanooo since he hasn't shown any jutsu that can beat it. Just keep running and wait like an hour and Itachi will be a non factor.

[Hiwapi]

by this way of fighting then all could have the possibility to win Itachi....even Sakura :odd:

[ShadowKaze]

= = Good point^ LOL Sakura isn't that bad, she somewhat proved herself.

[Hiwapi]

haha lol :odd:,she isnt that bad but against Itachi,i dont even want to think of it....

[Dios k de la muerte]

Well since we are the readers and know everything. Why don't we say that Jiraya is smart enough to just run away from Susanooo since he hasn't shown any jutsu that can beat it. Just keep running and wait like an hour and Itachi will be a non factor.

On a serious tip your correct in saying Jiraiya would hide. He probably is somewhat aware of susanoos legend (especially if Oro was). He has an ability to hide himself in some alternative dimension (like against Pain) and would probably just wait him out. If Itachi stayed in Susanoo too long it would be game over, although I am going to assume that Sasuke posses the same power as well.

[undeadforce]

Itachi was made not to lose a single fight through his role in the manga even till his death, Kishi even mentioned in the latest Naruto databook, Itachi did not lose to sasuke, more to be, it is that he wanted to die infront of sasuke. Properly Jiraiya would lose, though somewhat narrowly. Its hard to decide.

[Peak]

Giving both Uchiha brothers the Mangekyo is a unfair advantage to Jiraiya & Naruto.

[fakeobsession]

this one is too difficult...
can't decide :S