Yamamoto FC

[pumpkin13]

Because sometimes, WTFPWNAGE just isn't enough...
~ Yama-jii FC ~

http://fc31.deviantart.com/fs40/f/2009/010/6/2/Inferno_by_Wen_JR.jpg
("Inferno" Credit to Wen JR, from Deviant Art)

Honoured Supporters of Ol' Yama:
Pumpkin13: Owner, Taichou
GOWSRB: Co-Owner
Razvan_Asakura: Fukutaichou
AizenvsUrahara
Nigadem
Lucky
Mikeno
Afrojack
Xova
Stri
Anomandaris
Szarlej
UnadvisedGoose
Excptas
Retsu Unohana - Captain MOM
Arishkegal
Inazagi
Thrall-Warrior
DarkBunny


Yes... here it is, i dunno how many people will turn up, but someone's got to love the old duffer, and that someone is me. He's often misunderstood, underestimated, overestimated, ignored but whatever he is, you can't deny that at the end of the day he hands out a fairly BADASS level of carnage and destruction.

Co-Ownership is being saved for a series of people who may possibly approach, basically, if you've aided me over the last few weeks with my yama fandom, or even anti-aizen fandom, then your in for a shot.

I'm trying to think of something for the first coupla members here... something like "Sixth Wheel of the Ninth Division" seats, maybe a 12 seats open relating to the chinese zodiac or soemthing? Or Elemental Seats? Ideas are welcome. Also slogan ideas are also welcome!

If you're a wiz with graphics then some banners would be greatly appreciated, i myself am graphically retarded, so mine would not to the great man any justice.

Fingers crossed and hopefully some fans will turn up...

Slogans:
Cus sometimes WTFPWNAGE just isn't enough.
Cus burnin sh*t is fun.
You have to be a REAL badass to get away with a viking beard like that.

Banners:
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/7/l_d1fe46d623434534a598c59c5ca213e6.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4730/yamamoto2.jpg
- props to Afrojack

[NigaDem]

i love the that old fart !!!!

[pumpkin13]

Looks like this is generating a plethora of interest, there's so many people wanting to join that the servers can't cope with all of them at once!

[Razvan_Asakura]

ok , I'll join .

one-shotting arrancars is definitely the way to have fun .
so , yeah . oh , and co-ownership if you may .

[AizenvsUrahara]

i wanna join too.
He is a fucking beast, that's all I'm saying.Awesome, epic, amazing.

[GOWSRB]

Requesting joinage please. I mean who doesn't love Yama-jii and that awesome zan.

[pumpkin13]

Awesome, official welcome to all of you. Raz, i'm afraid i'm more inclined to give the co onwership to GOWSRB or AvU, cus they were right there on the front lines when we were debating Aizen and Yama. I've also decided everyone can pretty much have their own title that they want, for example, if I was really obnoxious and bigheaded it might be:
Owner: Pumpkin13 - Zero Division Captain etc etc
Maybe you'd settle for VC Raz? Sorry =/

[Razvan_Asakura]

Yeah , sure , I'll take that . Doesn't matter , as long as I'm a member .

Anyway , which did you guys thought was more dramatic ? The fight between Allon , or the one with the 3 fraccions ?

[pumpkin13]

Mmmmm, I thought the frame where he blows off some flames in a circular aura around him (seemingly without even using his blade, can he direct fire without the sword?) and incinerates the three fraccion as they try to jump him from behind was absolutely epic, possibly more epic than the frame at the end of Fall into My Inferno when he fries Allon, but there was more of the Allon fight, so they kinda equal each other out.

Do you think the fraccion are still alive, but only barely? Cus one translation suggests that he's let them keep their lives whilst the other one doesnt imply that at all...

[GOWSRB]

Well I'd gladly accept co-ownership.

As for the topic at hand, I'm pretty sure that Yama-jii killed them. Though it does hint that he respects their courage, it doesn't really seem to be part of his character to let a potential threat live. Especially if he had to personally deal with the situation.

And I can't decide which was better myself. On the one hand it was awesome seeing him make Allon look like nothing after the guy merced 4 VCs. But on the other he roasted 3 fraccion at once without actually even moving from what I can tell. They both really have their own appeal.

[NigaDem]

the true ownage was when he poke a head in allon with his cane, the a gangsta old man

[AizenvsUrahara]

Did Yamma kill them?it seemed like he let them go because of their bravery.

[Lucky]

You know what, something hit me today upon entering BE.

I thought to myself, "Yama-jii and his pwnage kicks ass". And thus, I'd like to be a member of the Yama-jii FC!

Edit: OH, and from what we have seen I do believe that Yama did show mercy upon SunSun, Apache, and Mila Rose. It made me even more of a fan of his by doing that.

[pumpkin13]

Question is... was that "mercy" letting them just about live even though they're charred crisps, or killing them quickly...

[NigaDem]

could be mercy, i think so.....he is making a statement though, the espadas decided to take the shinigami's more seriously...damn i cant wait his bankai, just raw offensive ownage....yeeeaahhhh boi

[pumpkin13]

official welcome btw lucky.

Official update: I've now added a Yama FC banner! its nothing special but itll do! Feel free to give me any more and i'll whack them up.

You may also notice a slightly more Yama themed sig and avatar... lol dammit I just wish I could change my name text to Orange in colour now!

[Lucky]

Question is... was that "mercy" letting them just about live even though they're charred crisps, or killing them quickly...

Well, I remember the first translation that came out (if you remember, the first translation of that chapter came out VERY fast but some of it was substantially changed later) had Yama stating, "out of respect for that (something along the lines of-) 'fighting spirit' (or 'bravery'), I'll allow you to leave here no more than a little charred." That's pretty close to how it was word for word, and I'm quite certain about the last sentence.

Oh, and BTW that banner is badass! I'm going to have to scale it down or wait for a bit smaller one though as my sig is cluttered enough. And I can't have a big picture on there by law unless it contains a big round booty!

[Stri]

Of course I'm joining.

[Razvan_Asakura]

lol , unofficial welcome .

anyway , the banner's looking great pumpkin . that pic. sure catches his power .
let's not forget that old Yama can even pwn VC class shinigami's with just his stare , so , shit , that's completely ownage .
also , I don't think he killed those 3 fraccions , I remember him saying that for their bravery or something like that , he'll let them live or it sure sounded like it . In any case , if he decides to go for Aizen's head , then , every limit barrier in the Bleachverse will break apart .

[pumpkin13]

@ Lucky and Raz: Yeah but the translation that later came out at onemanga, which generally tends to be more accurate, says nothing about "leaving you a little charred". Quite the opposite it implies he DID kill them.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/339/07/

[Razvan_Asakura]

Yeah , I guess he does say that , that he's going to burn their souls directly , so , damn . now I kinda pity them , to feel such flames and simply walk into despair .

[GOWSRB]

Yeah it kinda sucks for them. They probably would have been better off just getting sliced up or something. At least it would've been a quicker death.

[AizenvsUrahara]

at least he didn't reitsu crush them to death.

[NigaDem]

at least he didn't reitsu crush them to death.

that would of been ownage :idea:

[pumpkin13]

and no shikai illusion either lol...

So, time for some pure speculation here... How long do you think Yama served as a captain (not nesc. head-captain) before making the Academy... and what division do you think he was likely in?

I'm going for 500-200 years before being promoted to Commander General then another 200 until making the Academy.

Division... hmmmm... 9 maybe? I would like that lol, but equally i kinda think 13th...

Also... what do you think led Yamamoto to believe that an academy was nesc to train shinigami students? Somekind of strife?

[GOWSRB]

Yeah I'd say he was probably a captain for upwards of at least 500 years before becoming the CG. Then he probably noticed a decline in the overall strength of the Gotei 13 captains and decided the best way to fix the problem would be to create an academy where they learn the fundamentals. Going as far as to become a teacher himself, to insure that at least a few likely powerful captains could be produced from the academy.

[Stri]

Only 500 years? I don't necessarily know. Considering the likes of Shunsui/Ukitake/Unohana have all been there for 2,000 and have yet to be promoted. Not saying he did or he didn't, but 500 years only when corresponding with the others captains seems like a relatively short period of time to be promoted to the captain-commander.

[GOWSRB]

You got a point there. Though it would also depend on the circumstances would it not. As of now we have know idea what it takes to become CG except for the fact that obviously, you need to be VERY strong. So I guess it wouldn't be higly surprising if he was captain for thousands of years before he was promoted. As me personally, I don't really see how a CG could actually be killed unless it was by someone of equal strength to them. And that would imply that someone had turned against SS if they were to fight against the CG.

[pumpkin13]

Only 500 years? I don't necessarily know. Considering the likes of Shunsui/Ukitake/Unohana have all been there for 2,000 and have yet to be promoted. Not saying he did or he didn't, but 500 years only when corresponding with the others captains seems like a relatively short period of time to be promoted to the captain-commander.

lol they can't be promoted cus the stubborn f*cker hasn't died yet! haha. Plus i was sort of implying that the olden days were much more full of strife and discord, so captains wouldnt last as long, compared to most of Yama's "reign" which seemed pretty peaceful.

[AizenvsUrahara]

500 years is still possible for all we know he might have killed the previous c.c maybe you just can`t quite that position. what if you need to defeat the current c.c to become the next

[NigaDem]

hmmm I dont think Kubo gave us enough information to figure out how long Yama been captain, unless we take everything we know about society etc etc and compare to Yama reign, we might just get close

[pumpkin13]

nah this is purely speculation, there isn't nearly enough info to tell us how long he was a captain for prior to forming the Academy roughly 2000 years before the current story.

[Wras]

The way I saw it was, since Yama made the Academy I figured that meant he made the Gotei, so I'd see it as he's only been the Captain of the 1st, but that's just me. There's no evidence to support that really.

This implies that Shunsui, Ukitake, and Unohana are the only Captains of their Division ever, which might be plausible. Also, we don't know how far back the Bleach timeline goes. 2000 years ago leaves us in the year 8/9 A.D :P.

Anyway, with that little comment thrown in, I'd like to join. I only really liked him after his most recent chapters, though, which surprises me in and of itself. When I saw him attack Allon at the end of I think 336? I thought 'lame, another 1 chapter stomp'. Then he totally fucking DESTROYED that thing and looked like a beast while doing it.

[AizenvsUrahara]

The way I saw it was, since Yama made the Academy I figured that meant he made the Gotei, so I'd see it as he's only been the Captain of the 1st, but that's just me. There's no evidence to support that really.

This implies that Shunsui, Ukitake, and Unohana are the only Captains of their Division ever, which might be plausible. Also, we don't know how far back the Bleach timeline goes. 2000 years ago leaves us in the year 8/9 A.D :P.

Anyway, with that little comment thrown in, I'd like to join. I only really liked him after his most recent chapters, though, which surprises me in and of itself. When I saw him attack Allon at the end of I think 336? I thought 'lame, another 1 chapter stomp'. Then he totally fucking DESTROYED that thing and looked like a beast while doing it.
there have been more captain commanders in the gotei 13

http://img56.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107942/08.jpg

[Wras]

D'oh, my bad.

[pumpkin13]

You're not the first, and won't be the last to slip up on that little detail ^_^ so no worries.

HAIL YAMA!

[Wras]

HAIL YAMA!

Although I believe his anime incarnations, specifically the movies and OVAs, completely miss the mark, but the same goes for C46. MangaYama is where it's at.

Thing is, if his shikai is disintegrate all existence, what the FUCK is his bankai command?!

[AizenvsUrahara]

HAIL YAMA!

HAIL YAMA!

Although I believe his anime incarnations, specifically the movies and OVAs, completely miss the mark, but the same goes for C46. MangaYama is where it's at.

Thing is, if his shikai is disintegrate all existence, what the FUCK is his bankai command?!
this
http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2004/41/images/a/formats/full_jpg.jpg

[Wras]

"Stretch all forum pages in the universe. Bankai!"

I like it, hahah.

[NigaDem]

i hope Kubo dont slip up and kill the old man

[GOWSRB]

I honestly don't see how in the world KT can give a plausible reason as to why Yama would die. I'm sorry but even with Aizen's hax shikai (and probably bankai as well) he would still have one hell of a time fighting this guy.

[AizenvsUrahara]

GOWSRB has a point there is nobody that could kill or be in his league probably at this point.

[marszczyn]

*joinage*

[Razvan_Asakura]

GOWSRB has a point there is nobody that could kill or be in his league probably at this point.

Well , I also agree here . I mean , damn guys , how can a "kid" defeat someone like Yama , 8000 years of experience at least . He can't . Not even with his haxed powers , I don't think he could scratch the old man in bankai .

I honestly don't see how in the world KT can give a plausible reason as to why Yama would die. I'm sorry but even with Aizen's hax shikai (and probably bankai as well) he would still have one hell of a time fighting this guy.

Let' not forget that he may still have a vaizard mask . Now , I dunno if we can rely too much on that , but it may be a really key factor in his power [Aizen's] . We mustn't also forget about the fact that long before he was discovered as a traitor , he was looking around for Vasto Lords . Now , I would only presume he could have some or at least knows how to make one . I'm still thinking that Wonder-chan will play a nice part in all this . Either way , I 2 can't possibly think of someone even getting close to Yama in bankai mode and actually live . It's really unthinkable , since already his normal flames can burn souls into oblivion .

[pumpkin13]

Damn right, i still don't think that 120-150 year old Aizen, even with bankai (5-10x power) plus vaizard mask (having it for only sixth months maximum, so maybe x25-50% power) can come near to Yama's bankai form, which I will hazard, due to his age and the length of time with which he's had to refine and get to know his zan even better than anyone else, may give him as much as 15-20x power.

Yeah, as far as fire is concerned, the next step up after what we've seen can only be something on the level of a star (as in our Sun), i can imagine his bankai casting an eerie red glow over everything as a Red Giant star appears in the sky, filling most of it and raigning down solar flares left right and centre...

[NigaDem]

I completely agree with power being as hot of the Sun, isnt it already that hot if it can burn everything in existances?

[pumpkin13]

I think Ukitake's comment that it burns everything under the sun and the power reaches up to the sky were creatively descriptive hyberbole, but still... I think the bankai might be along the lines of...
http://www.crystalinks.com/solarflare105a.jpg

and failing that then perhaps more realistically along the lines of these:
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcano-tours/typo3temp/pics/79acdf46d3.jpg
http://www.hawaiianphotos.net/Animations/Lava_Flowing/A26_Lava%20Flow%20Closeup_750.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41437000/jpg/_41437737_ap_volcano2_416.jpg
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcano-tours/typo3temp/pics/a83ed9ff7a.jpg
http://ruby.colorado.edu/~smyth/Research/Images/Volcanix/LavaFlow3.jpg
and my personal fave:
http://thestudioevents.com/lava_eruption.jpg

[NigaDem]

or maybe the bankai can be as hot as the Sun core o.o

[Razvan_Asakura]

I think Ukitake's comment that it burns everything under the sun and the power reaches up to the sky were creatively descriptive hyberbole, but still... I think the bankai might be along the lines of...
http://www.crystalinks.com/solarflare105a.jpg

and failing that then perhaps more realistically along the lines of these:
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcano-tours/typo3temp/pics/79acdf46d3.jpg
http://www.hawaiianphotos.net/Animations/Lava_Flowing/A26_Lava%20Flow%20Closeup_750.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41437000/jpg/_41437737_ap_volcano2_416.jpg
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcano-tours/typo3temp/pics/a83ed9ff7a.jpg
http://ruby.colorado.edu/~smyth/Research/Images/Volcanix/LavaFlow3.jpg
and my personal fave:
http://thestudioevents.com/lava_eruption.jpg

Yeah , that could happen to be his resurrection . I mean , only when he unleashes , because it's attacks will be obviously more powerful . But , I'm more interested in that fact that , if a VC couldn't breath or stand up after looking in his eyes when he didn't even released his shikai . Then , I'm afraid to say that even the captains will most likely turn to ashes if they get to close to the old man in bankai mode .

Scaaaaaaaarryy ~

[AizenvsUrahara]

I was going to say a phoenix type but it's already been done

[NigaDem]

Yeah , that could happen to be his resurrection . I mean , only when he unleashes , because it's attacks will be obviously more powerful . But , I'm more interested in that fact that , if a VC couldn't breath or stand up after looking in his eyes when he didn't even released his shikai . Then , I'm afraid to say that even the captains will most likely turn to ashes if they get to close to the old man in bankai mode .

Scaaaaaaaarryy ~

Most captains cant even stand his shikai, only two known captains could and thats it

[marszczyn]

+ probably Unohana.

[Mikeno]

Damn why didnt I think of this shit.. I thought I was the only one who actually liked him..

I would be delighted to join..?

I might even put up my old avi.. although it might be too similar to pumpkins..

[Razvan_Asakura]

Most captains cant even stand his shikai, only two known captains could and thats it

My point exactly . I think the only person who could actually have a decent sword duel would be Unohana . She is known as a real wielder of it and we all know that Shunsui panicked in the flash-backs about forgetting to put her on the list of old captains in SS . lol

In any case , I'm more looking forward to see how the Espada's would react to his bankai .

Damn why didnt I think of this shit.. I thought I was the only one who actually liked him..

I would be delighted to join..?

I might even put up my old avi.. although it might be too similar to pumpkins..

uhm , hey there Yama-jii lover , welcome .

[pumpkin13]

Official welcome to the fold Mikeno!

Hail Yama!

Why is it for some strange reason whenever I see your avatar I always think of a strange cross between Starsky and Hutch and Barry White?

Can't get enough of your love baby... lulz

[Razvan_Asakura]

I think Yama needs an afro , to look even more badass . LOL

This way when he's going to bitchslap Aizen , it'll look like he's slapping his hoe . (True story , hopefully)

[marszczyn]

I think Yama needs an afro , to look even more badass . LOL

An hairstyle from his young days?

[GOWSRB]

That would be hilarious. Wonder if his hair would still have been white?

[AizenvsUrahara]

I think Yama needs an afro , to look even more badass . LOL

This way when he's going to bitchslap Aizen , it'll look like he's slapping his hoe . (True story , hopefully)

:rotfllmao: i hope that really happens

[NigaDem]

Unohana vs Yama, that would be kinda interesting, two of the powerhouse in SS too bad there is enough infomation on her....anyways I thing the bald look is just fine for the ol' man

[GOWSRB]

Unohana vs. Yama-jii. That would be an awesome fight, but I would never want to see it. Though unless she is alot stronger than Shunsui and Ukitake, I don't know how well she'd fair against Ol' Yama. Somehow whenever I think of those two together, I get this father daughter type of image in my head.

[AizenvsUrahara]

Unohana vs. Yama-jii. That would be an awesome fight, but I would never want to see it. Though unless she is alot stronger than Shunsui and Ukitake, I don't know how well she'd fair against Ol' Yama. Somehow whenever I think of those two together, I get this father daughter type of image in my head.

that father daughter relationship between them is what i was thinking too especially after the tbtp . if he sees sunsui and ukitake as his own son maybe he his unohana as a daughter.

[NigaDem]

that would be interestin, so i would be next in line to be the captain commander ? one of the sons or the daughter

[pumpkin13]

Unohana is definately the next in line for Captain Commander.

[Afrojack]

Joinage?

[pumpkin13]

We humbly welcome you to our most AWESOMEOMGWTFPWNAGE of fan clubs ^_^

[AizenvsUrahara]

same as pumkin Unohana seems the only one fitted for that job

[GOWSRB]

Definitely Unohana as a successor. She's the only one who really has that scare factor like Yama. It seems that half the time it's hard to tell whether everybody obeys out of respect or if they are simply terrified by him.

[Afrojack]

Unohana also seems to have the temperance for it, which is the main factor IMO keeping Shunsui or Ukitake away from that position. The only thing that has me doubting however, is that while she may indeed be a powerful warrior, the Commander should be someone who specializes in combat.

[pumpkin13]

well... apparently she's a kendo master. We've seen what Zaraki can do with kendo and whilst his reiatsu is impressive for someone without a zan, Unohana is lined up to make him look like a schoolgirl.

[Stri]

Unohana vs Yama, that would be kinda interesting, two of the powerhouse in SS too bad there is enough infomation on her....anyways I thing the bald look is just fine for the ol' man

I wouldn't go that far. But I do expect her to be strong, not as strong as being able to take on the likes of Shunsui and Ukitake(if she's actually stronger than each individually) with ease, but strong nonetheless. Yama-ji pretty much makes everyone else within the entire Gotei 13 look like trash, with that feat under his belt.

[GOWSRB]

True. Yama-jii is just simply too strong for everyone else there it would seem. Makes me wonder just how long he actually has been around. I mean he looked the exact same age even when Shunsui and Ukitake were in the academy. And even moreso, does he continually get stronger or has he hit his limit?

[pumpkin13]

I say he may be one of the few or perhaps the ONLY captain to have reached his limit, i mean he's 100% in all stats apart from stamina and that aint gonna get any better cus of age (but he can still out shunpo Shunsui... and I mean... sometimes i wonder whether it IS shunpo... and not some kind of Instant Transmission like ability... cus when he arrives at the battleground before Shunsui and Ukitake... you would have thought there high tier level captain senses would have at least caught a glimpse of him overtaking them... but nothing).

I f*cking LOVE to see Yama use some kidou...

If Byakuya can do this (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/142/05/) with a Hadou #33 then wtf will Yama be able to do with a hadou #33 let alone #88 (Hiryu Gekizoku Shinten Raiho):
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/13/

MAJOR LOL @
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TOUlxDoSr3g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u5wbULazkAw&feature=related

and hmmmmmmm @
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CB14jCnHi0Y&feature=related

Ryujin Jakka in shikai isn't massive enough/ long enough in either of them, although it's cool in the first one how the entire level burns on fire when he goes shikai. But since when did anyone's shikai ever run out before they were defeated? let alone the captain commanders!

And lol as if Ichigo could even scratch him in his current state.
Same goes for Grimmjow...

Aizen uses Kurohitsugi... does anybody know much about the Bleach games? i don't but i thought it would be cool if every captain has full access to all the spells we've seen so far, and you have to do a different combo for each spell, or at the beginning of the fight you can select like four kidou to specialise in.

Anyway... I thought these were ultimately rather insulting to the Honourable Father, Captain UberDaddy. And shame on those ignorant fools who believed they could simulate Ichigo or Grimmjow winning against Yama! THEY SHALL BURN IN THE FLAMES OF JAKKA!

[NigaDem]

they just nothing more than fanboys

[Razvan_Asakura]

damn pumpkin , everytime time I see that wallpaper , it just warms my heart . <3

[GOWSRB]

Yama using kidou would be unfair. Him using #88 would be like Vegeta's Final Flash or something and he'd have to worry about destroying half of the city if he used it. At least that how it plays out in my head.

[NigaDem]

hmmm we never see him used kidou in battle, that just be more reason why Yama is the chit, him incorparating that in battle would just be unfair

[Razvan_Asakura]

lol , kidou skills over 90 and 150 must be child-play for him .
I wonder how many moves he know .

[GOWSRB]

I would suspect that he can probably perform all of the numbered spells at least. As for the forbidden ones, I don't know. I'd like to think so, but there might some things that only the kidou corps knows.

[Xova]

I'd be honoured to be included.

[pumpkin13]

Welcome Xova!

wow we have as many pages as we have members! lol nice going.

So anybody got any ideas for new topics or can we squeeze anything more out of the kidou one?

I think it likely that Yama could utilise the forbiddon techs if he had to but it goes against his rule abiding philosophy.

[NigaDem]

hey you forgot to add Stri to the list of members

[pumpkin13]

did I? curses... apolagies Stri!

[AizenvsUrahara]

Welcome Xova!

wow we have as many pages as we have members! lol nice going.

So anybody got any ideas for new topics or can we squeeze anything more out of the kidou one?

I think it likely that Yama could utilise the forbiddon techs if he had to but it goes against his rule abiding philosophy.

yama is old skool like Dahli Lama said :Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.

[GOWSRB]

Just imagining Yama manipulating time is insane. And I'd imagine #33 coming from him would probably look like a #88 from Tessai.

[NigaDem]

being 2000+ years old.....how many sword techniques do you think he have mastered or created

[GOWSRB]

Um let's see, a crap load for sure. I'd say he's probably the only one in SS who is past Unohana in terms of kendo skill so he would most definitely know alot. As for created, I wouldn't be surprised if he's made some skills in conjunction with his zan. *imagines a flaming nadegiri*

[Anomandaris]

Requesting joinage, please.

[GOWSRB]

Official welcome. Grab a banner and keep on posting.

[Razvan_Asakura]

I would suspect that he can probably perform all of the numbered spells at least. As for the forbidden ones, I don't know. I'd like to think so, but there might some things that only the kidou corps knows.

haha , yea , but him being the general captain , he could actually know all the moves the kidou corps do . after all , he's suppose to be like the head-master there .

[Anomandaris]

Is having a banner a requirement? Because at the moment I am just using text for FCs in my sig - a random quirk of mine.

As for Yama... well, I would highly surprised if he can't manage all of the number spells and the forbidden techniques too, but I think his nature would prevent him from ever using the latter. presumably he would have developed the training system for the Kidou Corps too?

[pumpkin13]

hmmmm the training system for the kidou corps and special ops may very well have come later...

Nah, banner isn't nesc! Text sig is fine ^_^ oooh your current ones are ORANGE! EVEN BETTER LOL.

[Anomandaris]

It doesn't ever say mention it though, does it? Hmm I wonder...

Oh sweet, and yeah, I like orange and am thinking of adding some more to my sig since there isn't a heap in there right now ;)

[Szarlej]

*joinage*

[pumpkin13]

Welcome Szarlej!

[NigaDem]

can imagine Yama knowing the time stop?, thats just friggin unfair

[Anomandaris]

But would it really surprise in the slightest if he did know it? I think not. We are talking about about Yama-jii here.

At risk of getting slammed for mentioning fillers, what did people think of his representation in the Amagai filler arc? (N.B. I thought it was chronic shit and Yama-jii could likely have pulled him apart with his bare hands.)

[NigaDem]

i wanted Yama to interfer but Ichi have to always come and save the day

[GOWSRB]

I doubt Yama would've actually even needed his shikai to take that mook out. But you know how fillers work. Just as bad as movies sometimes.

[pumpkin13]

Dear lord it was nigh on heresy. They must have played Yama down so much for that noob to even get anywhere near him. I mean they had to give him a) a hax energy absorbing zan and b) TWO swords. I didnt actually watch the shit myself for fear of getting faeces in my eyes, but how did Ichigo actually win in the end?

[NigaDem]

Amagi killed himself if i remember right, something to do with Yama saving his father and realizing he was wrong

[pumpkin13]

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.

[AizenvsUrahara]

the worst thing of that arc was that yama was saved by ichigo

[Anomandaris]

Well, it was total BS, and far worse than most parts of the movies, imo. Really horrid filler. Yeah, Amagai apparently misunderstood what he though his father's last words were, and thus killed himself.

In fact the only thing even vaguely okay about that arc was Yama getting stabbed and not feeling it. the not feeling it part, I mean. The stabbing and the Ichigo vs. Amagai (as with all filler and Ichigo fights) was crap. Of course.

I honestly was really pissed that Yama-jii didn't just tear him in half literally, without even revealing his zanpakutou. Very much heresy, and for all those Dawn of War fans, what do we do to heretics?
Burn them!
(in this case with Ryuujin Jakka, obviously)

[UnadvisedGoose]

Joinage?

Yama is the man. 'Nuff said.

[NigaDem]

i really liked the bount filler though, but the rest was arghhhhh horrid

[GOWSRB]

Official welcome UnadvisedGoose. Grab a banner bro.

[pumpkin13]

Three decent parts to the bount filler:
- The hot chick that Ishida has a "fling" with (the one that eventually merges with her fire doll).
- Kira fucking pwning Kouga and his ghey metal doll, particularly after Ichigo gets pwned again and again by them.
- I must admit i quite enjoyed the section where that creepy dude with the tarot card deck and the shadow generated Doll takes on Renji, Matsumoto, Hisagi and pretty much the rest of them that go into that cave. He eventually gets owned but he has the upper hand for a while...

Welcome esteemed Goose. WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE YOU SO LONG TO FIND US? lol nah jkz

@Anomandris: That's given me an idea for another Yama banner... I actually made a Warhammer Witch Hunter banner saying "Suffer not the heretic to live..."

[UnadvisedGoose]

Haha well its taken me awhile to realize the beauty of FC's. But this was one of my first stops of course. :smile:

Yeah, I hate to say it, but the Bount arc wasn't that bad, now that we've seen the Amagai arc. . . I actually kinda enjoyed the battles between the Bounts and the Captains. They were complete bullocks(the Captains should've smashed them with no trouble at all), but actually decent to watch.

[Anomandaris]

Three decent parts to the bount filler:
- The hot chick that Ishida has a "fling" with (the one that eventually merges with her fire doll).Yeah, that was surprisingly good actually. Made me wish the manga spent a bit more time developing Ishida.

- Kira fucking pwning Kouga and his ghey metal doll, particularly after Ichigo gets pwned again and again by them.
Yes, that was epic for anyone who likes Kira, lol. And no complaints about seeing Ichigo lose.
- I must admit i quite enjoyed the section where that creepy dude with the tarot card deck and the shadow generated Doll takes on Renji, Matsumoto, Hisagi and pretty much the rest of them that go into that cave. He eventually gets owned but he has the upper hand for a while...I didn't think that bit was especially great, but each to their own. The mod-soul arc (more of a mini-arc really) and the Amagai arc were both much worse than the Bounto arc, imo.

Welcome esteemed Goose. WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE YOU SO LONG TO FIND US? lol nah jkz

@Anomandris: That's given me an idea for another Yama banner... I actually made a Warhammer Witch Hunter banner saying "Suffer not the heretic to live..."
Welcome, UnadvisedGoose.

And I'd be really interested in that banner should you make it, pumpkin... (Hell, I'd pick up on that idea myself if I had more spare time, lol.)

[pumpkin13]

hmmmm, well i'm not sure about the Yama banner now... seemed like a good idea at the time, but i dunno, just a yama pic with "BURN THE HERETIC" on it... crossing Yama with WH40K doesn't sit well with me. Coca Cola is awesome, pizza is awesome, but I wouldn't want to put coca-cola on my pizza... lol

Anyway, here's the banners that you're comment reminded me of (they're for nothing in particular).
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_b2dfd9b727e04d4799a1ab7c4ecfce92.jpg

And my edited one (inspired by whoever had that Baneblade "Noob hunter" banner in their sig):
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/21/l_1a9e53a6dfdd4f71a8a687cab8bcbfb4.jpg

[Anomandaris]

Or ketchup and icecream... though I do have a friend who loves that combination. You could be right about mixing WH40K and Yama-jii, but if Bleach did have such a thing as heretics, than I could really see him saying that. However, 'Disintegrate all existence..." is more than ample. Some ideas are good until you follow through with them.

Anyway, I was hoping you could maybe educate me on any or all theories behind Yama-jii's Zanpakutou and why it lurks in a sticklike form...

[pumpkin13]

Some ideas are good until you follow through with them. Damn right. Like McDonald's you walk past thinking "oooh yeah I fancy a cheeky Maccy Ds, get to the counter and order, still looking forward to the prospect of some good oldfashioned fast food. By the time you finish you feel like a hooker with no self respect and need multiple showers to try and scrub the filth off of your skin. haha.

I tell you what i'd LOVE to see, a Gaiden featuring Yama as a young man, like his time as a VC. That would be mintage.

okay kids, there you have it, new thread topic courtesy of Mr Anomandaris himself; Yama's cane.

mmmmm i dunno really... it might be a personal aesthetic preference... although if you remember the first time we see all the captains at their first meeting at HQ, where he's sitting on the chair, he has a massive zan behind him which I can only imagine to be Ryujin Jakka in sealed form without the cane altercations. So I think the cane really is for practicality's sake, its just not practical to carry around a six foot zan everywhere. Plus it allows for surprise attacks I guess in some form...

[Anomandaris]

That's what you get for eating rubberised plastic. But yeah I know what you mean.

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea what Yama would have been like as a VC. It would be very cool to see a glimpse of that, but I just can't fathom what his attitude would have been like.

I've always though it was just aesthetics, but now that you mention the zan in the background, way back, it would make sense if you didn't want to march around with a freaking huge sword over your shoulder all the time. Can't see Yama needing the element of surprise, but every little bit helps I guess.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Or ketchup and icecream... though I do have a friend who loves that combination.

I threw up a little in my mouth at this. . .

But anyway, I think its just cause it is convenient for him, like pumpkin said. I think Urahara is more the one who would have his as a cane just because it looks cool. Yama seems to be all about practicality. He's a cut to the chase kinda guy, imo.

[NigaDem]

maybe Kubo made into crane for people to think he is a fragile old man....the cane is easier to carry than a 6 feet sword....the true question is, how did it become a cane in the first place?

[Razvan_Asakura]

probably he saw master Roshi from DBZ and said to himself "If I go around looking like that old fart , then I would be most likely underestimated ... and then go straight for the kill , one shot" . joke aside , I guess he taught a cane would look more subtle than caring an actual sword , like everyone in SS does .

[NigaDem]

can you imagine Yama ever going to real world? lol what would he wear? would he place in a senior citizen home lol

[pumpkin13]

haha thats an awesome point... one thing Kubo does VERY well is putting his characters in various getups and alternative fashions that they would normally wear. Rather scarily I can see Yama in this: http://www.pimp-suits.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/pd-pe-130015pu-lg.jpg

as well as in some Hell's Angels leathers riding a massive Harley with a red bandana/head scarf, or black skull and cross bones one.

[excptas]

*Requesting Joinage*

[Anomandaris]

ROTFL @ that mental image, pumpkin. Utter madness. But I can totally see it.
@UnadvisedGoose: I apologise for any sickness inflicted by what I may have said.

[AizenvsUrahara]

:rotfllmao::rotfllmao::rotfllmao::rotfllmao: that suit is wrong in so many ways

[pumpkin13]

Excptas - You have been joinaged! Welcome to the cult of Yama.

HAIL YAMA!

[Razvan_Asakura]

haha thats an awesome point... one thing Kubo does VERY well is putting his characters in various getups and alternative fashions that they would normally wear. Rather scarily I can see Yama in this: http://www.pimp-suits.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/pd-pe-130015pu-lg.jpg

as well as in some Hell's Angels leathers riding a massive Harley with a red bandana/head scarf, or black skull and cross bones one.

yeh , that's what I'm talking about . the man needs his suit , so K Titty , give the man HIS well deserved suit . and the feather dude , the feather is like 50% of the process . with that alone , he owns 3 dimensional worlds .

[AizenvsUrahara]

yama needs a stick whit that suit how else is he gonna poke more fodders

[excptas]

Thanks Pumpkin. Aizen vs Urahara & Pumpkin just touched on the real reason why yama's carries his zan as a cane, it's quite obvious really. When yama goes to the real world he dresses as a pimp, every pimp needs a pimp stick so yama uses his zan as the ultimate pimp stick.

[AizenvsUrahara]

allon should know that by now :pleased:

[pumpkin13]

he really does bring an entirely new level of meaning to the phrase "flaming someone".

So, theories on this muther's bankai?

Personally I can imagine a kinda Final Fantasy VIII Ifrit-esque type move, summoning a giant flaming meteor (or multiples thereof) down onto their sorry asses, or even more so, like he produces miniature suns and shit.

[AizenvsUrahara]

Yama does`t need bankai :amused: that would be pure :pwn/d:
but seriously it probably would be something whit the heat and firepower of a star

[Anomandaris]

Maybe Ryuujin Jakka goes nova? I'd expect it to be on that kind of level, anyway.

[NigaDem]

his bankai probably be like something of a supernova? lets think logical about this, his zan is a fire type, strongest in all of SS... lets combine what we know and try to figure something out for Pimp UberDaddy Yama ;-)

[Szarlej]

The most possible form of his bankai is fire dragon.

[pumpkin13]

I hope it isn't, that would be sooooooooo cliched... maybe a giant flaming tiger or lion would be cool...

[Szarlej]

Judging from his Zanpakuto's name, i would probably a fire dragon. You see, Yama-jii isd poabably a contrast for Hitsugaya: the oldest, uber pwnage Captain, fire controlling and he youngest young, the weakest Captain, ice controlling.

[Razvan_Asakura]

It could be possible . like every nature type zans [the strongest ones] to have their spirits a dragon . O.o'

it might be badass especially if it's some back up story behind it .

[NigaDem]

i doubt that it is a dragon, maybe some fire god or something

[pumpkin13]

Ok... this is from LITERALLY like five minutes browsing on wikipedia.

In Japanese mythology, Dragons are generally beasts related to the sea, Wikipedia gives a list of various dragon/serpentine creatures and their brief synopsis and there isn't ONE fire dragon. In fact there isn't even one lightning/thunder or wind/air dragon.

Secondly, during the Han dynasty in China, the Tiger was believed to be the King of all beasts, the han dynasty was roughly 2000-1800 years ago... coincidence more methinks but hey.

I just want the zans spirit to be a fuck off MASSIVE flaming tiger the size of a double decker bus.

[Razvan_Asakura]

That'd be nice as well . But , it could be pretty weird when it attacks . I mean , he needs some nifty attacks , that would get the fan-service going for weeks .

[NigaDem]

I dont think kubo is going to make that mistake

[Anomandaris]

Yeah, a huge flaming tiger would be awesome. And I'm sure KT shouldn't have much trouble coming up with very decent abilities for it either.

@pumpkin: That's really interesting, actually. Wish I knew more about Eastern mythology etc.

[AizenvsUrahara]

what if jama`s bankai is like a mini version of the sun and he could make it implode to create back holes

[Razvan_Asakura]

what if jama`s bankai is like a mini version of the sun and he could make it implode to create back holes

lol , that may be like an ultimate move of his , because I don't see him destroying using that to destroy their enemies in Karakura . Because he would destroy the city as well .... it most likely would break the 4 towers .

[Xova]

Going with the minature sun/nova idea, something similar to Ace's Solar Emperor except on a much larger scale. Or perhaps his fire would be so hot that it can burn through reality itself, that'd be pretty haxxed.

what if jama`s bankai is like a mini version of the sun and he could make it implode to create back holes
That would be cool also.

[NigaDem]

do you think Yama has a dark past?

[pumpkin13]

Going with the minature sun/nova idea, something similar to Ace's Solar Emperor except on a much larger scale. Or perhaps his fire would be so hot that it can burn through reality itself, that'd be pretty haxxed.


That would be cool also.

I've thought about that. It's not completely out of this world to think that Yama's flames can simply burn through Aizen's illusions, in the same way that you get that melting effect when cinematic reels burn out.

do you think Yama has a dark past?

That would be cool. Yeah like i've said a Yama Gaiden with him as a VC would be freaking awesome, set 300 years or so prior to him founding the academy, during some catestrophic war when the skies over sereitei are blackened and warped twisted pillars of bio-demonic flesh and mutated sinew lurk everywhere, red volcanic rifts in the earth and all that shizzle...

[GOWSRB]

300 years prior to him foudning the academy you say. I'm inclined to think he'd still look like an old man. But the rest I like.

[NigaDem]

I also 300 years prior to the academy, I think yama would of been a captain not a VC....rest i do like as well...i wonder how long since his Zan held the title of strongest attack power in all of SS....another thing do you think Yama was voted captain or killed his way?

[AizenvsUrahara]

i though that Ryuujin Jakka was the zanpakutou that all others are based on

[Szarlej]

I wonder how Yama-jii looked when he was VC.

[NigaDem]

i though that Ryuujin Jakka was the zanpakutou that all others are based on

nope, it is the oldest/strongest fire-based Zan and boost the strongest attack power......each zan is unique to each person, it never really states how zans get made....shame on you Kubo!

[pumpkin13]

300 years prior to him foudning the academy you say. I'm inclined to think he'd still look like an old man. But the rest I like.

True that... best make it, wut, another 3000 years prior to the founding of the academy? haha.

@avatar: "It's Zhang Liao! Zhang Liao is here!" haha quality.

[Anomandaris]

Hmm... a middle aged Yama-jii... what would that even look like? Never mind a teenage Yama-jii... Hmmm...

Anyway, I was wondering, what other clothing do you people picture Yama-jii in? Other than that crazy outfit posted a few pages back, that is. Viking style garb to go with the beard mayhaps?

[NigaDem]

wearing the stuff that drunken master do in virtual fighters

[Xova]

It just occured to me that perhaps Wonderweiss could be an eventual opponent for Yama. As he is currently thought by many to be the only known arrancar who might be above the Espadas in terms of strength. I wouldn't really mind seeing this match-up actually, the oldest and wisest captain who has achieved near perfection in most aspects of combat taking on one of the youngest and most mentally retarded arrancar who might be in possession of vast amounts of power but cannot control it properly.(could actually make him all the more dangerous)

In the end however this is just speculation and probably wishful thinking.

[Anomandaris]

It just occured to me that perhaps Wonderweiss could be an eventual opponent for Yama. As he is currently thought by many to be the only known arrancar who might be above the Espadas in terms of strength. I wouldn't really mind seeing this match-up actually, the oldest and wisest captain who has achieved near perfection in most aspects of combat taking on one of the youngest and most mentally retarded arrancar who might be in possession of vast amounts of power but cannot control it properly.(could actually make him all the more dangerous)

[b]In the end however this is just speculation and probably wishful thinking.[/b[

Probably. But you never know. Though what motivation would Wonderweiss have to face Yama-jii?

[excptas]

I'm pretty sure if either Aizen or Tousen told him to attack Yama-jii he would without hesitation.

[Anomandaris]

True. I think perhaps he'd also get turned to dust about 3 seconds after though ;)

[NigaDem]

lol maybe....a new theory was made by Pumpkin, it is disucssing the nadegiri technique......do you think the sword actually cuts Allon, or do the flames?

http://mangahut.com/manga/Bleach/338/pg12

http://mangahut.com/manga/Bleach/338/pg13

http://mangahut.com/manga/Bleach/338/pg14

thanks pumpkin for your theory!

[Anomandaris]

Ah, but I would are the flames the sword itself, or are they separate from it? I tend to follow the theories that either a) the flames ARE his sword and thus both are one and the same and that is what cut Allon or b) that it was the flames that did the cutting.

[pumpkin13]

No problem Nigadem, i've never really been too sure on what exactly Nadegiri is. I'm pretty certain its NOT just a sword slash. If it was it wouldnt have a name or anything. Zaraki doesn't name his kendo slash etc. I think the flames could be infused with yama's reiatsu and sharpened so that the flames create razor like edged, and that's what slices through Allon.

[NigaDem]

maybe it is extreme heat focus at a specific point, some like a blow torch

[GOWSRB]

I'm under the impression that Nadegiri is maybe an advanced kendo technique. I don't think that the flames really had much at all to do with it's cutting power, as Allon was still bleeding after being severed in half. As if it were the flames that cut him, they would have also carterized his flesh simultaneously. I think the flames were there as just a way to make it look cooler. And the fact that once released, his sword is constantly emitting flames anyway.

[Szarlej]

maybe it is extreme heat focus at a specific point, some like a blow torch

Nagediri probably works like light saber, but instead laser beam it uses plasma.

[AizenvsUrahara]

i`m sorry but plasma?

[Anomandaris]

Yeah where the hell did that come from?

[Szarlej]

Sun is made from plasma.

[NigaDem]

i thought plasma from type of fantasy crap

[GOWSRB]

Sounds interesting indeed. Plasma sword sounds a little to scifi though.

[Anomandaris]

The sun is a fusion reaction. Personally I would be rather surprised if Nadegiri was made of partially ionised gas.

[Szarlej]

Remember that fire is a kind of low temperature plasma.

[Anomandaris]

Not really, at least as fire as I'm aware. What is essentially a chemical reaction releasing energy does not qualify in my book as "a kind of low temperature plasma." If you have more information on that I'd be keen to hear it.

[pumpkin13]

plasma, as far as i'm aware (except in 40K scenarios) is a clear fluid that partially makes up your blood content.

Also, considoring he's cut in half, Allon doesn't bleed nearly as much as i'd expect him to, and the edges of the cut and down the middle are blackened as if the wound had been instantly cauterised.

[Anomandaris]

There are two sorts of plasma that I'm aware of. The physics kind and the biology kind :p We're talking about the so-called forth state of matter rather than blood plasma.
Plasma. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics))
Blood plasma. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma)
(Please forgive me for using Wikipedia as a source, I'm in a hurry.)

But yeah I agree he hardly bled at all, whereas normally in Bleach people spray blood like a damaged fire hydrant sprays water.

[NigaDem]

maybe nadegiri is similar to the sword he use earlier on shun and ukit, i think its chapter 155, i will posst when i find it

[Anomandaris]

I thought what he used on them was closer to the ring of fire encircling Aizen, except that he too was inside it at the time?

[AizenvsUrahara]

^that`s what i thought to

[NigaDem]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/155/20/

this sword swing, i could be wrong

[GOWSRB]

Looked like a normal sword swing to me. That happened before he actually released his sword. Nadegiri was post release.

And is anybody besides me laughing at the fact that certain people on this forum are trying to argue the point that Stark is on equal footing with Yamamoto just because he's the primera? I like Stark and all. He's my fav espada, but not a chance. I'll believe it, if it ever happens.

[AizenvsUrahara]

yeah most people on this forum seem to underestimate jama-G.you`r taking about jama being equal to stark i`v seen some people saying that yama would get own by Ulq.

[GOWSRB]

I'm sorry but what idiot would possibly think something so stupid?

[Anomandaris]

There's a lot of mad VL fanboy-sim on BE, sadly. It comes out in shit like that.

[NigaDem]

the sad part is, when we try to defend Yama, they say we "overrate" him and that it is only "fanboyism"....shame on them

[AizenvsUrahara]

yeah i know that`s there only explanation for us defending yama hey never consider that they are underestimating yama-G the yama-hate on this forums know no bound:mad:

[Szarlej]

Many of Anti Yama are Aizen's fanboys/girls, but remember that Aizen without hax shikai isn't so awesome. Unreleased Yama-jii >> Unreleased Aizen.

[GOWSRB]

true, I'm pretty sure unreleased Yama-jii > every other captain. Hollow powers or not, somehow I still doubt that Aizen is flat out as strong as Yamamoto is. Unless by some crazy miracle he was already close in strength to Yama, which I find hard to imagine from someone who has been captain level for 150 years tops.

[Szarlej]

true, I'm pretty sure unreleased Yama-jii > every other captain. Hollow powers or not, somehow I still doubt that Aizen is flat out as strong as Yamamoto is. Unless by some crazy miracle he was already close in strength to Yama, which I find hard to imagine from someone who has been captain level for 150 years tops.

Yama was already at Captain level 2200 years ago, when he founded the Academy. That time he was an old guy. He became Captain when he was young. It's hard to imagine how really old is Yama-jii.

[AizenvsUrahara]

i doubt that Aizen even knows what Yamamoto is capable of.unless that stuff was on file and he read through it while he was looking for the info on the Hougyoku after he took out Central 46.

[NigaDem]

the stuff on file will probably read "dont f with the old gu, nuff said"

[pumpkin13]

I thought what he used on them was closer to the ring of fire encircling Aizen, except that he too was inside it at the time?

Nah I don't think so. I think the flames that appeared creating an "arena" around them in the earlier chapters were just latent flames from his release. Being at ground level, the flames had things to latch onto and the fire takes hold, so the flames continuously burn, whereas in the more recent chapters, he releases in mid air and there's nothing around him for any latent flames to take hold of.

[Anomandaris]

Nah I don't think so. I think the flames that appeared creating an "arena" around them in the earlier chapters were just latent flames from his release. Being at ground level, the flames had things to latch onto and the fire takes hold, so the flames continuously burn, whereas in the more recent chapters, he releases in mid air and there's nothing around him for any latent flames to take hold of.Hmm. You're assuming normal physics applies to Bleach in this instance, and I very much doubt KT thought it through this far, but yeah that's a good point. It never occurred to me. As for anti Yama-ism, well yeah, it's pretty much rampant among the Aizen and VL obsessed. They're in for a shock, lol.

[NigaDem]

from spoilers ichigo about to get a power jump...ooon they going to say he is stronger than Yama

[pumpkin13]

Stronger than Yama's anal sphincter maybe.

[Razvan_Asakura]

from spoilers ichigo about to get a power jump...ooon they going to say he is stronger than Yama

we can expect anything from the fanboys...but like that phrase always says, the best is kept for last will be put in place here as well. and when everybody will see Yama's true power, then they all will crumble...

[NigaDem]

indeed, how would you feel if Yama is actually the bad guy, that would be a weird twist

[GOWSRB]

That would explain why Aizen says he doesn't have to lift a finger. As if Yama were to turn on the rest of SS, then they are really screwed.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure, most of the Yama hate will stop once they see how strong he really is.

[NigaDem]

not will the hate stop, they will try to ride the Yama bandwagon....I say we shouldnt accept them at all if that happens!

[excptas]

chances are once people see how strong yama truly is they'll just act ignorant and attribute it to so called plot-kai.

[Anomandaris]

More the fool them then. It's pretty damn obvious when you've been above Captain class for multiple times most other's life spans, and your release command is "Disintegrate all existence..." that maybe, just maybe, you are ridiculously powerful. In fact words like that totally fail to explain just how powerful you have become. If they can't understand it, then I say we leave them crying plotkai and licking Aizen's boots for the rest of their sorry lives.

Stronger than Yama's anal sphincter maybe.
That's a good way to put it, lol.

[Xova]

After the latest chapter I'm almost certain some Ichigo vs Yama threads are bound to pop up around this place.

[NigaDem]

^ i feel the same way

[GOWSRB]

That's gonna be a serious pain unless KT has the since to show Yama pwning someone soon.

[Anomandaris]

Yeah agreed, if they start it's going to be a friggin' pain in the ass until KT heads back to FKT.

[Szarlej]

I doubt he will need to lift a finger against 1-3 Espada. Maybe against Aizen and his gang.

[Anomandaris]

I look forward to that. But what I don't look forward to is the Strawberry fanboys between now and then.

[excptas]

^ Agreed, they already think the guy is like superman or something this new upgrade is just gonna cause a hell of a lot more annoyance.

[Anomandaris]

Yeah, damn retards. Why is it that so many morons flock to the main character in so many shounen?

[excptas]

It's the whole overcoming adversity and basically becoming god at the end of the series thing.
Also it's a thing the uneducated do, jump on the main character band wagon early so that when they do eventually beat the main protagonist(s) they can claim they always knew he was the strongest despite any evidence to the contrary.

[Anomandaris]

You're probably right. Anyway, looks like the anime is slowly nearing Yama-jiii owning Allon, which will be nice.

[Szarlej]

^ Agreed, they already think the guy is like superman or something this new upgrade is just gonna cause a hell of a lot more annoyance.

Some of them thinks that Ichigo is now stronger than any Espada. LOL.

[Stri]

I don't think we'll actually see Yama-ji in action soon, unless Aizen gets out. So for the time being, I'll simply use Shunsui's ability to powers cale Yama-ji's. Depending on what he shows in regards to Stark, and he actually gives him a run for his money. Do you have any idea of how uber that's going to make Yama-ji look? Considering the fact that Shunsui and Ukitake couldn't even cause Yama-ji to sweat.

Wow, how I can't wait. I'm tired of arguing with these VL morons. I know one thing for damn sure better happen. Aizen vs Yama-ji.

I just can't even imagine what that would be like. With that much reiatsu being thrown around?

[GOWSRB]

I don't think we'll actually see Yama-ji in action soon, unless Aizen gets out. So for the time being, I'll simply use Shunsui's ability to powers cale Yama-ji's. Depending on what he shows in regards to Stark, and he actually gives him a run for his money. Do you have any idea of how uber that's going to make Yama-ji look? Considering the fact that Shunsui and Ukitake couldn't even cause Yama-ji to sweat.

Wow, how I can't wait. I'm tired of arguing with these VL morons. I know one thing for damn sure better happen. Aizen vs Yama-ji.

I just can't even imagine what that would be like. With that much reiatsu being thrown around?

Yeah, that'll probably be the best battle in the manga if KT does it right. THough for Aizen's sake, he had better be at least as strong as Shun and Uki (or Unohana whether she is on par or stronger than the pair). Otherwise, he is seriously going to be in trouble himself. Even with his hax shikai. The ony reason he would present any problems to Yama-jii is the illusions that he can make.

[Xova]

That's gonna be a serious pain unless KT has the since to show Yama pwning someone soon.

At least Allon should make an appearance in the anime soon, I just hope the animators don't stuff up with Yama's shikai and fire prison, they seriously made Gj's Gran Ray Cero look like garbage, and the whole Nnoi vs Zaraki fight just deserved a massive facepalm.

I don't think we'll actually see Yama-ji in action soon, unless Aizen gets out. So for the time being, I'll simply use Shunsui's ability to powers cale Yama-ji's. Depending on what he shows in regards to Stark, and he actually gives him a run for his money. Do you have any idea of how uber that's going to make Yama-ji look? Considering the fact that Shunsui and Ukitake couldn't even cause Yama-ji to sweat.

Wow, how I can't wait. I'm tired of arguing with these VL morons. I know one thing for damn sure better happen. Aizen vs Yama-ji.

I just can't even imagine what that would be like. With that much reiatsu being thrown around?

Agreed, firstly it's Ulquiorra who gave all the VL fanboys a major hard-on, and now Ichigo's making some people blow the Vizards' power entirely out of proportion...it's almost as if they think the most ancient and powerful captain has nothing more to show even though he hasn't even gone all-out in shikai yet.

[Anomandaris]

At least Allon should make an appearance in the anime soon, I just hope the animators don't stuff up with Yama's shikai and fire prison, they seriously made Gj's Gran Ray Cero look like garbage, and the whole Nnoi vs Zaraki fight just deserved a massive facepalm.I wouldn't put it past them to put on a par with a candle, sigh.

Agreed, firstly it's Ulquiorra who gave all the VL fanboys a major hard-on, and now Ichigo's making some people blow the Vizards' power entirely out of proportion...it's almost as if they think the most ancient and powerful captain has nothing more to show even though he hasn't even gone all-out in shikai yet.Very true, especially about Yama-jii... has anyone else noticed that the VL thread has suddenly turned into rampant Ichigo fanboy-ism now that Ulquiorra's fucked? As in claims Ichigo could one shot Stark and such.

[GOWSRB]

Yeah, unfortunately, Yama-jii is gonna ave to put some poor but foolish soul in their plae before people get their heads straight. It would be hilarious if for some reason Aizen did try o fight Yama and found that his illusions weren't really helping all that much.

[Razvan_Asakura]

At least Allon should make an appearance in the anime soon, I just hope the animators don't stuff up with Yama's shikai and fire prison, they seriously made Gj's Gran Ray Cero look like garbage, and the whole Nnoi vs Zaraki fight just deserved a massive facepalm.



Agreed, firstly it's Ulquiorra who gave all the VL fanboys a major hard-on, and now Ichigo's making some people blow the Vizards' power entirely out of proportion...it's almost as if they think the most ancient and powerful captain has nothing more to show even though he hasn't even gone all-out in shikai yet.

1) Don't think that graphics will change that soon...that or they will bring fillers back, which would be out of this world. This time people are going to riot on the streets of japan. lol

2) Sooooooo true. It was like 100 episodes ago that only a few in history can achieve bankai and all that bullshit, but now after even Ichigo went overkill with his 3-4-5-6 days bankai, now he's trashing the place with someone that so far is at the pic of resurrection in the hollow world.

oh well, just hope Yama's little battle will look pwnsome in the anime.

[Afrojack]

They'll probably scale down animation for the VC fights and the like, so they can save time and money to make the Ulq/Ichigo fight worthwhile. I'm sure that when Yama's time comes, the animation will be bomb, but Allon only lasted a few chapters, so I don't think there'll be too much focus on it.

He's waited over 2k years, he can wait a few more months for the spotlight :amused:

EDIT: Oh, you might have seen this one in my posts recently, if anyone wants to use it, or just put it in the sig archives if worthy. The text is slightly hard to read, but the quote is just too sick:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5580/yamasig3.png (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yamasig3.png)

[Razvan_Asakura]

One would think he already got the ca$h for a lot more episodes, with high graphics. After all the games selling/manga's/toy's..etc.

At least, he/the animators should try to find a way to make Yama more badass in that move when he kills Allon and defeats those 3 fraccions in a blow.

[Afrojack]

Well, the Pendulum episodes looked pretty good from the screen caps I saw, so maybe they'll say fuck the animation for the fillers and then resume good animation with the continuation of canon material and do Yama justice.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5492/yama623.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yama623.jpg)

[Razvan_Asakura]

Yeah. fillers usually look more bad than the normal ones.
It should be nice even when Yama traps Aizen & co.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Very true, especially about Yama-jii... has anyone else noticed that the VL thread has suddenly turned into rampant Ichigo fanboy-ism now that Ulquiorra's fucked? As in claims Ichigo could one shot Stark and such.

Oh man. I've been thinking this ever since the whole IchiUlq fight began. Ulq is deemed as so powerful and uber. Why? What has he done? Stabbed Ichigo with his bare hands? Big whoop. Kenpaci stabbed straight through Ichigo's zan and not fifteen min later, Ichigo is doing work on him. Now that Ichigo was keeping up with unreleased Ulq in Bankai, everyone was praising him like it was the second coming of Christ. We have NO clue how Ulq would fare against an opponent other than Ichigo. And Ichigo is the most inconsistent character ever. He probably just had little to no resolve the first time Ichigo tried to fight him. So again, until I see him fight someone who's Captain class, aside from Ichigo, I never saw Ulq as being quite so damn powerful. His released forms, sure, he's definitely stronger than GJ, I'd say, but still. Idk, I just definitely think that Ulq gets way too much credit, and as a result so does Ichigo.

[GOWSRB]

Same here. Where as cahracers like old Yama-jii, hardly get the credit that they do deserve. In my opinion, until proven otherwise, he is more than likely the strongest character in the Bleach universe as of now. While this will unfortunately won't be the case by the end of the series (everybody knows it'll be Ichigo), right now, I don't think there is a single other character (Aizen included) that can take him one-on-one.

[Razvan_Asakura]

I'm kinda interested to see what the royal guards are made of. if they're going to be that weak that they won't be able to take on, let's say, Barragan, then, this would blow. Yama-jii may be strong, but Aizen will surely use some tricks and deceive the old fox.

[SSJ10]

I'll join because I think Yamamoto is just too awesome not to be liked. I'm interested in his ability's after he obliterated Allon, can't wait to see what he can really do.

[Anomandaris]

Oh man. I've been thinking this ever since the whole IchiUlq fight began. Ulq is deemed as so powerful and uber. Why? What has he done? Stabbed Ichigo with his bare hands? Big whoop. Kenpaci stabbed straight through Ichigo's zan and not fifteen min later, Ichigo is doing work on him. Now that Ichigo was keeping up with unreleased Ulq in Bankai, everyone was praising him like it was the second coming of Christ. We have NO clue how Ulq would fare against an opponent other than Ichigo. And Ichigo is the most inconsistent character ever. He probably just had little to no resolve the first time Ichigo tried to fight him. So again, until I see him fight someone who's Captain class, aside from Ichigo, I never saw Ulq as being quite so damn powerful. His released forms, sure, he's definitely stronger than GJ, I'd say, but still. Idk, I just definitely think that Ulq gets way too much credit, and as a result so does Ichigo.I second that.

As for Zero Division/The Royal Guard, since the current evidence suggests they are Captains who got promoted, the idea of them not being able to take Barrigan seems somewhat ridiculous, unless they were promoted for reasons other than combat or strategic talent. KT may suck, but I don't think he sucks hard enough to make the Royal Guard a joke.

[GOWSRB]

Well that really depends on what it takes to become a royal guard member doesn't it. I mean I'd assume all of the big 4 are royal guard material as they've been in captain status for at least the last 1,000+ years (we can be pretty sure of that much). Yet there was a captain that got promoted who had not even been there 200 years in the TBTP arc.

And yes unfortunately, for the sake of plot continuation, KT will have to make Aizne do something to out fox the old timer.

[Anomandaris]

Well that really depends on what it takes to become a royal guard member doesn't it.Well, we can make some observations about what they are almost certainly NOT looking for, but apart from that, it is tricky imo. See the third paragraph.

I mean I'd assume all of the big 4 are royal guard material as they've been in captain status for at least the last 1,000+ years (we can be pretty sure of that much).You would think so, but they're still in the Gotei Jyuu-San. There are many possible reasons for this but in my opinion we simply don't have enough information to know for sure.

Yet there was a captain that got promoted who had not even been there 200 years in the TBTP arc. Which makes judging what is required for them to promoted and why they would be promoted somewhat hard to ascertain.

And yes unfortunately, for the sake of plot continuation, KT will have to make Aizen do something to out fox the old timer. Well I'd like to believe KT could be more subtle and more original than that, but it wouldn't surprise me. Of course then there is the question of Urahara and company. Out-fox may not actually be the appropriate term for what happens if it is merely more troops but we shall see.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Im interested to see how Aizen is gonna take care of Yama in this battle. There is no one else there besides Aizen himself that stands a chance. Shunsui will win against Stark(I strongly believe in this). Ukitake could end up fighting either one of the two Espada left, and could die, but I think he'll still win, but MAY die due to his illness and the need for some Captain casualties to take place. Or at least he will be unable to fight further for a while. But Yama should be able to take the others without too much of a sweat. PERHAPS bankai, but when and if that happens it will take little to no effort once bankai is unleashed IMO. So I want to see how Aizen will "factor him out" of this, if he is to hold true to his statement of not having any of the three traitors lift a finger. Obviously, once SS is at least worn down/taken care of, the Vizards and Urahra and Co. are likely to show. What happens then? Argh! I can't figure out where I think this is going lol. Sorry for rant.

[GOWSRB]

Quite honestly, I'm beginning to think that Aizen isn't even there. I mean given the fact that he plans everything so well, and that he manages to see so far ahead, I'm thinking that he might actually be gone already.

And given the fact that he has never willingly attempted to fight a high tier captain, let alone 3 at once, I doubt hewill start now. I really do think that Aizen, would do pretty muich anything to avoid a direct confrontation with Yama-jii until he has his much wanted (and needed) power up. Because even with his illusions, the best out come I can see in his favor is that he manages to win (by some face) and dies later from sever damage.

[Anomandaris]

Im interested to see how Aizen is gonna take care of Yama in this battle. There is no one else there besides Aizen himself that stands a chance. Shunsui will win against Stark(I strongly believe in this). Ukitake could end up fighting either one of the two Espada left, and could die, but I think he'll still win, but MAY die due to his illness and the need for some Captain casualties to take place. Or at least he will be unable to fight further for a while. But Yama should be able to take the others without too much of a sweat. PERHAPS bankai, but when and if that happens it will take little to no effort once bankai is unleashed IMO. So I want to see how Aizen will "factor him out" of this, if he is to hold true to his statement of not having any of the three traitors lift a finger. Obviously, once SS is at least worn down/taken care of, the Vizards and Urahra and Co. are likely to show. What happens then? Argh! I can't figure out where I think this is going lol. Sorry for rant. I totally agree that Shunsui will win his fight - it is my belief too. As for Ukitake, I may be biased because I'm in the 13th, but I only see him losing (dying never seems to happen to the good guys in Bleach...) due to sickness. Soi Fon is more likely to join Hitsugaya in the "Captains who lose" corner imo. Largely because Yoruichi is still out there. Though I acknowledge the possibility of KT making Ukitake lose due to his TB/whatever since it's the kind of thing KT does.

But yeah, I too am very keen to see what Aizen has planned. I only hope KT actually makes it come out decent. Though Aizen has been shown to make mistakes, he is not infallible, so he may actually have to do something yet... But he has to have something up his sleeve or we will never see the Vizards...

[UnadvisedGoose]

^ I completely agree with you as well. I really don't want Ukitake to lose, but as you said, I could see KT abusing his illness and stuff. And the only reason I considered it is because of the grossly outnumbered state of Aizen's group. When you factor in the inevitable appearance of the Vizards and Urahara and Co., its tipped heavily against Aizen. So we'll see. Hopefully, if this stuff with Ichigo and Ulq ever ends. . .

[Anomandaris]

It's not exactly tipped toward Aizen even without them imo, largely due to the presence of the Captain Commander. But yeah, we will no doubt find out what is going on if we ever depart HM... KT hurrying up and moving back to the real fight would be excellent. I personally don't give a damn if Ichigo gets stuck for all eternity killing Ulquiorra over and over again but I'd rather not read bout it thank you very much. Especially not with all the legendary potential awaiting us in FKT.

[Afrojack]

I think something might happen to either defuse the situation or cause both parties to retreat. IMO Bleach needs to slow down, and a good way to do that I guess would be up to KT, but the situation seems so unbalanced right now in numbers and there's still a contingent of uncertainty with the location of Urahra, Tessai, Isshin, Ishida's father, Yoruichi, and the Vizards, all of who would IMO presumably be against Aizen. Not only that, but 4 captains trapped in HM and Ichigo berserking on top of LS. It seems liek this is a place where something happens and both sides are forced to regroup and plan ahead.

[Anomandaris]

That's a possibility, but I say it's 60/40 in favour of Aizen pulling something out of his hat and things accelerating from there...

I'm certainly not convinced KT is the kind of author who is going defuse this kind of thing.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Old Yama might lose patience and go for the kill. But if that would be the case, then Aizen will surely, like some of you said, pull something out & change the scenery dramatically. I'm still not sure how he will win, except if his bankai is more 99999+ haxxed than his shikai.

[Anomandaris]

If he went for the kill, and Aizen didn't have a fall-back plan/master strategy at work, then imo I don't particularly see how Aizen's illusions would aid him much in anything except running away, because you don't need to be able to see your opponent to be able burn everything around you to ashes ;)

Btw nice avatar.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Thanks.

and, well, like it was explained in TBTP, his illusions are more than just fake images. now that's one mystery we'll just have to wait out. also, I'm pretty sure that his bankai will be more than just that. then again, Yama already fought with VL's and so on + he has clearly more experience in everything so far.

[Anomandaris]

Oh, I realise it might not actually be him present there. But if it is.... illusions, even if they are more solid that just illusions won't stop him from getting scorched. Of course Yama-jii has bankai too, and exactly what that would look like...

However so far Aizen has refused to go head to head with any of the Top Four so I see no reason to believe he will start now.

[UnadvisedGoose]

I too don't think that KT will change things up too much as of right now. This is how he writes. There's a slow build up of fights dealing with stronger and stronger characters. Stark and Shunsui will likely be the last that we see finish. Unless Yama actually gets involved with someone on or near his level(don't see that happening). But I think SS will "lose". I think they'll win the fights mostly, but not be in nearly good enough shape to stop Aizen, Gin, Tousen, and whomever else they may have/bring with them. And I can't even say what will happen in HM right now. Im still hoping for Unohana to put Scarmask in his place. She seems like the only one to do it really, if its gonna be done with any kind of force.

[Anomandaris]

Yeah I agree the biggest fights are most likely to finish last. Though if Yama-jii has no input in the fights (this is my prediction btw), Aizen had better have something really nasty up his sleeve because even if the others are in no condition to fight (imo a couple shouldn't be too badly off btw) the Old Man could own the three traitors without too much bother imo...

Having just read 352, I am definitely thinking there is a considerable possibility for Unohana stepping in there still!!!!

[Razvan_Asakura]

^ that would only happen if either Ulquiorra needs medical care, or if he turns out violent..but he clearly lost the fight, so I don't see him double-crossing.

also, Yama in bankai mode could probably take on the 3 top Espada's.

[Afrojack]

I hope this (352) gets resolved without outside interference. Ichigo, or Scarmask, whoever he is, can finish this on his own, and should.


And I agree with Anomandaris, illusion is irrelevant in the face of oppressively powerful AOE attacks. And yes, Yama probably could spank all three top Espada with bankai. His shikai is already stronger than most any character's bankai, so, not illogical to me at this point.

[Anomandaris]

I agree Yama-jii gone bankai should be able to slaughter the top three Espada. As for Unohana I actually meant her stopping a rampaging Ichigo, not Ulquiorra, lol!

[Rosh]

Joinage please

[GOWSRB]

Official welcome Jushiro, what are your thoughts on the topic at hand.

[Rosh]

I agree Yama ji could wipe out the top 3 espada with his bankai, could hardly wait to see how it looks like.

[Afrojack]

Utter incineration of a certain area around Yama.

[GOWSRB]

Yeah, I almost feel sorry for who ever is on the recieving end. but then again, Yama-jii so rarely steps into action that whoever does get it, pretty much had it coming.

[Rosh]

^very true I do feel sorry for who ever is getting the taste of Yama ji's bankai... didnt he take halibels fraccion, with ease i might add ^__^

[GOWSRB]

Yeah, he reiatsu scorched them all to a crisp. Now if his reiatsu is enough to burn someone of at least VC level to death (they are pretty much dead even though it isn't confirmed), then we can only imagine how strong he'll be in bankai.

[Xova]

Indeed, here's a reminder of Yamamoto's might and sheer dominance on the battlefield with this wonderful colouring I found today...
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6893/yamamoto.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yamamoto.jpg)