Yumichika vs Ikkaku

[fourwalls]

who do you think would win?

I personally can't decide I mean, sure, Ikkaku has himself a bankai but Yumichika's shikai could almost be as powerful as a bankai. So what do you think? By the way, their powers is what they have now, Yumichika's power draining shikai, then Ikkaku's bankai.

I've already searched if there is a similar thread like this, but there is none yet, so if I was wrong, well.

[BOssManNate]

Yumi already said that Ikkaku is the 2nd strongest man in the division
plus i think that Ikkaku knows about the hax shikai seeing how Yumi knew about his bankai so they probably both know how to defeat eachothers thing and it just comes down to the more skilled fighter and that means Ikkaku is the winner

[fourwalls]

Yumi already said that Ikkaku is the 2nd strongest man in the division
plus i think that Ikkaku knows about the hax shikai seeing how Yumi knew about his bankai so they probably both know how to defeat eachothers thing and it just comes down to the more skilled fighter and that means Ikkaku is the winner

I don't think Ikkaku knows about his shikai, remember after Yumi defeated Hisagi, he said to keep it a secret because he does not like his captain or ikkaku to dislike him. And I don't think that Ikkaku is that much stronger that he is, I think that he just said that Ikkaku is the 2nd strongest becuase he seems to be the type who doesn't like to offend Ikkaku, not because of a major power difference.

[Yayap]

With that shikai ability, Yumichika doesn't need to be stronger than Ikkaku to beat him. Remember Hisagi, Yumi' beat him. Just like against Hisagi, Ikkaku doesn't know about his ability, so will likely not think he needs Bankai, and will also be caught off-guard. The question is, will he react better than Hisagi did? I think not, because unlike Hisagi, Ikkaku knows Yumi really well, & won't be able to believe that he has this power, thus buying Yumi' enough time to subdue Ikkaku. IMO

[pumpkin13]

Yumi already said that Ikkaku is the 2nd strongest man in the division
plus i think that Ikkaku knows about the hax shikai seeing how Yumi knew about his bankai so they probably both know how to defeat eachothers thing and it just comes down to the more skilled fighter and that means Ikkaku is the winner

Yeah but if Yumi wanted to keep his ability hidden ofcourse he wouldnt factor himself in to his "who's the strongest in the division argument".

Plus yeah, like Aizen's hax shikai circumvents the need for power, so does Yumichika's. I'm certain it MUST have a limit, but I think Ikakku's bankai would be inside that limit.

Being a skilled fighter doesn't help when your tied up by energy absorbing vines.

And besides, I'd argue Hisagi is a more skilled fighter than Ikakku, with his use of shunpo, kidou and zan work. And Yumi beat Hisagi.

As for Ikakku knowing of Yumichika's ability, unless you can empirically prove he does with a manga page reference, we should assume that he doesn't.

[octocheese]

I agree with Yapyap and Pumpkin. Yumi could win this fight. But, if they cut fairly easily Ikkaku could theoretically chop his way out while being drained of strength. Then it would be a matter if Ikkaku has enough strength/speed left to escape the vines a second time (assuming Yumi can use them twice in a row) and win the fight.

[justin43]

@Pumpkin
We don't know how fast the vines will be able to drain someone with bankai level reiatsu. We also don't know if Ikkaku has the reiatsu in bankai to theorically overload the vines. What we do know that it was able to drain a fraccion who had VC shikai-level reiatsu. If we take that as the limit to avoid the no-limit fallacy, then Ikkaku should be able to overload in bankai. If Ikkaku can't fully overload the vines, then Ikkaku could simply cut the vines apart with his bankai and then move in while Yumichika is trying to reform his shikai vines. I do agree that Ikkaku probably won't be able to get to full power in his bankai before the vines begin to attack, so I doubt if Bankai Ikkaku could just destroy all the vines in one swing. This could give Yumichika an advantage in this fight. In addition, Ikkaku isn't that fast either. This matchup could go either way.

[pumpkin13]

Personally I disagree with the using the Fraccion level as its upper limit. It could defeat Hisagi and Hisagi was waaaaaaaaaaay superior to those fraccion. He only released his zan in the last quarter of the fight, it finished pretty soon after that.

[justin43]

The problem is that we don't know if Hisagi used shikai or not in that situation, which could have increased his reiatsu. Either way Hisagi still only has upper VC shikai level, which would place him below someone with low-tier bankai level reiatsu.

[pumpkin13]

I don't believe Shikai increases reiatsu. It increases battle capability by allowing the person in question to utilise the full abilities and true form of their zan.

[Viva]

ikkaku imo. he has a bankai and probably has more fighting experiance. i mean he loves to fight where as yumi likes to comb his hair lol

[fourwalls]

wow, so far the polls are at a tie.
I do agree with the one who said that Hisagi has more skill than Ikkaku in fighting, his shikai requires him to do so and yet, Yumi was able to defeat him, by surprise probably. Ikkaku is one that relies more on brute strength but does not mean he's an unthinking fighter. I remember when he was fighting an arrancar and he made a fighting pattern on purpose to trick the arrancar...
For Yumi, I don't think that because he stays in one corner while Ikkaku fights means that he is a weaker character. Ikkaku strikes me as a person who does not like to hang around weak people, and Yumi is just a calm and composed fighter though he also seems eager. I guess this could go either way... undecided still

[justin43]

I don't believe Shikai increases reiatsu. It increases battle capability by allowing the person in question to utilise the full abilities and true form of their zan.

Good thing I said "could have". Read the bolded part of my previous post. VC-level Bankai reiatsu > VC-level shikai reiatsu. Ikkaku is not as skilled as Hisagi, but he has more reiatsu to work with than Hisagi.

[pumpkin13]

Thus more reiatsu to only be sucked out by Yumichika's haxness. Also, Hisagi is a capable kidou wielder and a very capable shunpo-er, Ikakku has neither, or at least no kidou and very meagre shunpo, and Yumichika still won against Hisagi's all round uberness.

[TW501]

Yumichika refuses to let the nature of his zanpakuto become known specifically because he wants to keep it secret from Ikkaku, he wouldn't use it against him for fear of losing his respect. Supposing that he did use it though, I think that Ikkaku would still win (assuming he was in Bankai of course), though I suppose if Yumichika were to use his Shikai against Ikkaku's shikai, he could conceivably win.

[pumpkin13]

This is the arena, characters are bloodlusted, canon reasoning and emotional scenarios don't play nearly as big a part. If its a fight solely between them, then he has no reason to keep it a secret.

[GarraoftheGravel]

Agreed, I also believe that Ikkaku is within the limits of Yumichika's shikai with or without bankai. However, I do believe Ikkaku is experienced enough to think: "don't touch the wierd ass vines!", as long as he is able to avoid most (he could probibly take a few) of the vines (they are vines right?), he should have a very good chance at beating Yumichika.

[pumpkin13]

I call them vines cus they have leaves on... seems simpler than calling them "energy absorbing chords". And i don't think its as simple as "don't touch them", i think Yumi directs them to wrap around his opponent. That's what i picked up from the Coolhorn fight.

[GarraoftheGravel]

Good point, but I'm not quite sure if he can "direct" them, although I would need to see another fight with him using it to support this theory. Nonetheless I still believe if Ikkaku can avoid most of the attack he can have a good shot at beating him.

[fourwalls]

has ikkaku already shown a skill in Shunpo?

Anyway, I do believe that Yumi can direct his vines like Szayel can direct his "wings", I mean, they kinda moce similarly...

[arctic_zakura077]

this is a good topic of discussion btw.

looking on both sides, both fighters do know each other pretty well. and both are good in fighting, considering they are in the 11th division. one has bankai and the other has a kudou based shikai which can be very deadly. i will probably say that ikkaku will win this; however, i am not implying that this will be an easy fight for him. kudou based shikais can be tricky and tough to deal with, especially with ikkaku who relies mainly on brute strength and force. i said ikkaku will win because he is one tough person to knock down considering his mastery of physical fighting. he's also very stubborn, will not go down just lying on the ground. but i do agree with the others about yumi's characteristics, which also dwell on the possibility that he can also win; however, i still feel ikkaku can win this

[justin43]

Thus more reiatsu to only be sucked out by Yumichika's haxness. Also, Hisagi is a capable kidou wielder and a very capable shunpo-er, Ikakku has neither, or at least no kidou and very meagre shunpo, and Yumichika still won against Hisagi's all round uberness.

Or all the more reiatsu to use to overload it.:amused: In addition, Hisagi clearly underestimated Yumichika before he got suck by Yumichika's vines. It was more like the surprise factor that did Hisagi in, but that can't be certain.:blink:

[pumpkin13]

Ikakku doesn't appear to know about it, it hasn't been stated in the manga, whereas Yumichika appears to know of Ikakku's bankai (as does Iba and probably half the rest of sereitei that can sense spiritual pressure, the fool) so Yumi still has the spiritual factor.

Ikakku's bankai is still not even on a par with the likes of Hitsuguya, so i very much doubt he has enough power to overload it.

[sercia]

Both are really strong but I think yumichika will overpower ikkaku because ikkaku can't win from being drained of his energy

[MissTaken]

Hax shikai takes the win, because vampire sword will see Ikkaku's bankai as lunch. Especially since Ikkaku doesn't know about it.

[Raveshaw]

In a normal fight, Ikkaku. Yumichika won't use his ability in front of a 11th division member.

[fourwalls]

This thread puts those things aside. It's a match-up where no one holds back their powers...

[Exiazer0]

Ikkaku go bankai, yumichiki wont show his true power to ikkaku, therefore ikkaku wins

[Szarlej]

Ikkaku woon't use bankai in a normal fight, Yumichika won't use his hax ability. So Ikkaku > Yumichika.

[fakeobsession]

Yumichika because if he gets dirty or hit his *beautiful* face he get so angry OMG...
lol...

[VegetaFan7]

If its a death match, then Ikkaku. If its a little training fight, then Yumichika would suck the strength from Ikkaku and win.

[Captainarmstead]

I would have to go with Ikkaku since it is generally accepted that Bankai level shinigami>non-bankai. I don't think the haxshikai would be enough to stop Ikkaku.

[Szarlej]

If its a death match, then Ikkaku. If its a little training fight, then Yumichika would suck the strength from Ikkaku and win.

Remember that Yumichika is hiding his true form of shikai.

[Spectre]

Yumi pwns this! He knows all of Ikkaku's fighting styles and techniques!! And Ikkaku on the other hand knows nothing about his Zan! And even if Ikkaku goes Bankai, Yumi's Shikai still pwns!!

[darkp]

I will go with ikkaku, we did not see too much about yumi shikai abilty or weakness of his ability. Well for me that abilty should not be too much powerfull as we think .