When will Renji finally get his first big win?

[dakidd39668]

I don't understand why his character is made to look fail? He should of been the one to step in on Yami. Now I see Ishida winning because that arrcancar girl posion will start to take effect on Yami. Since thats why they had her say that her release spreads posion. Renji need to defeat someone major. His character has barely increased in power since he found his bankai.

Renji beating Yami will make his character worth more to the series. Rukai was even able to beat the 9th espada.

[MoonCannon]

Renji beating Yami will make his character worth more to the series. Rukai was even able to beat the 9th espada.

Renji is not reliant on plotkai (Except maybe plot armour to live), that's why he has never win against someone or something major. As you can see, Ichigo and Fukia only wins because of plotkai, simple as that. All one needs to win in Bleach is plotkai, but Renji is the rebellious one that thinks he can tough it out without plotkai. If he were to use plotkai, then he might have won against #8.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

Renji beating Yami will make his character worth more to the series. Rukai was even able to beat the 9th espada.

Rukia's plotkai allowed her to beat AA...Renji would destroyed him..

However...i Renji may get a much need win soon...against more faccions or something

[Terabane]

I don't understand why his character is made to look fail? He should of been the one to step in on Yami. Now I see Ishida winning because that arrcancar girl posion will start to take effect on Yami. Since thats why they had her say that her release spreads posion. Renji need to defeat someone major. His character has barely increased in power since he found his bankai.

Renji beating Yami will make his character worth more to the series. Rukai was even able to beat the 9th espada.

The ninth espada was a retard, but nonetheless I don't really care about Renji, there aren't many fodder type characters for him to kill, he could of killed Menoli and Loli but they ae already gone.

[Lnrd]

After this arc I feel that there isn't going to be any more fanservice going around, so that Kubo can press the plot. So Renji might get a win, but not a big one. His highlight is using the Baboon Cannon to surprise and eliminate Ilforte.

[Paragon]

Kubo should have given Yammy to Renji, but instead Kubo decided to hand Yammy to Ishida for whatever reason even though hes already been in two big fights in this arc with one victory to his name whilst Renji has zero, unless you include Grimmjow's lame fraccion.

[xPyrox]

No such thing as Plotkai.

But there is such a thing as people who dont like twists an their opinions being belittled by the writer.

Anyway, he probably will get a big win, but.. fuck knows who on..
I mean, all thats really left is the top espada and the sauna trio.

If Renji beats any of them.. well he'd be on like, high captain tier.
Which he isn't.

Eh. Maybe Rukia gets owned by Mr Exquicas and Renji comes to the rescue or some shit.

[plotkaislayer]

There's nothing I like less on this forum than unhappy Bleach fans complaining about plotkai. The topic of this thread can be restated (granted, rather unfavorably) as, "When will Renji fans get some fanservice?" Pyro is right. Just because you don't like how KT develops the plot doesn't make what you don't like plotkai.

Worse, the question ignores the larger story KT tells about the Nakama--that they've trained and worked together to achieve a single goal, saving Orhime. Although struggling against #8, Renji has so far succeeded in that larger goal. Without Renji and Ishida facing Szayel, Szayel could have roamed free.

So, I'm sorry some of you are unhappy with the way things have gone in the series recently. Perhaps you should stop reading? Take a break? Get a back massage? No, I'm not offering. :P

Oh, and as for the original question, I have no idea. I'm avoiding the #344 spoilers for now. One interesting thing about Renji is that he's not shown any ability development like Ishida and Chad. The fact that Rukia hasn't either is interesting, as well. Perhaps she will show some new stuff against Exequias. Renji might have an opponent to help him show his stuff, but it might be the Tree, too. We're running out of baddies to slay. The two of them might power-up together--oh my, RenRuk, anyone?!

[ms07gtr]

^QFT

Everything is at the artists discression. If for some reason he wants Yama to die of a common cold and Rukia get Bankai and kill Aizen in one hit, he can do that. It is his story after all. We are just along for the ride so to speak.

[justin43]

^QFT

Everything is at the artists discression. If for some reason he wants Yama to die of a common cold and Rukia get Bankai and kill Aizen in one hit, he can do that. It is his story after all. We are just along for the ride so to speak.

Then the author should kiss his manga goodbye if that happens. As for the topic, I don't think Renji will get a big win unless he comes to help out Ishida against Yammi.

[NaClO]

Renji could fight Wonderweiss. I far as I can figure out Wonderweiss is still in Hueco Mundo. However, I do not think Renji would have much success against him and I would prefer one of the captains to fight him.

[owbu]

well i guess if kubo had made 15 Epsada, there would have been a chance for renji to win a fight.

hes just not in the Mainchar Plotkai list (rukia ichi), the"fan service" list (kenpachi, soi fon, frostboy) or one of the captains with an unknown bankai, so sry no major fight for him :(

[Yadomaru]

Given that all Wonderweiss has done so far is chase bugs, try to grab Urahara's hat, and fire a cero(and not even a particularly powerful one either), I don't see what the big deal is.
Sure, he was really tiny in that one shot, but so far he's shown no sign whatsoever of being a real threat, and he hasn't even appeared at all in ages. Whatever, perhaps the future will prove me wrong.

As to the question of "When will Renji get his second(Ilforte was his first) big win?", I have no idea, as other than Yammy, who's already being dealt with, the only thing left is Ulquiorra and the six people above him (The Top 3 Espada, plus Tousen, Ichimaru and Aizen), none of which are currently available, and all of which are way beyond him anyway.
Unless somehow he winds up the one to kill the tree. Rukia's already got several kills under her belt as well, after all.
I'm much more interested in seeing Unohana-sama fight.

[VanquishedAngel]

I hate to say it but I can live w/o Renji ever getting a significant win. But he may be able to succeed where Byakuya does not and in that way he may be able to "surpass" his captain.

I doubt that Wonderweiss is going to do anything unless he evolves or something. He's basically an infant right now.

[TW501]

It would be cool if Wonderweiss ended up fighting him him, but I doubt it would happen. I can't think of anyone else who will end up fighting him though.

[dakidd39668]

Renji beating that Tree dude or w/e wouldn't be a big win at all. Let him fight Tousen later on. That way he can get some character development. Having him find a way thru Tousen's bankai. I know he would be over matched, but so is Ichigo and Rukai in most of their fights. He can even lose to Tousen, but his fans need something to keep them intersted.

[Yayap]

Well, 344 is out, and Yammi is now at the bottom of the tower, he's not far from where Renji & Chado are. And we know Yammi loves a fight & is looking for blood atm, so it's quite possible that he'll go after Renji now. Admittedly he likely wants Ishida dead, but Renji/Chado are closer right now.

But I really doubt Renji on his own (or with Chado & Rukia) could beat Yammi.

[UlquiorraKuchiki]

Short but most correct answer: who knows lol

[Szarlej]

Renji beating that Tree dude or w/e wouldn't be a big win at all. Let him fight Tousen later on. That way he can get some character development. Having him find a way thru Tousen's bankai. I know he would be over matched, but so is Ichigo and Rukai in most of their fights. He can even lose to Tousen, but his fans need something to keep them intersted.

Tousen vs Renji? That would be one-sided fight, with Tousen totally pwning him of course.

[Matt]

I hate Renji

I Hope he fights some1 and dies

Seriously :|

[fifenfk]

After this arc I feel that there isn't going to be any more fanservice going around, so that Kubo can press the plot. So Renji might get a win, but not a big one. His highlight is using the Baboon Cannon to surprise and eliminate Ilforte.

Agreed

That was probably the last time we saw renji pull out a win against any one.He looked so mean and like he could kick big time ass until ichigo pwnd him in the SS arc and after that he just got his ass beat...I think it has something to do with his shades being broken lol.

[Davo1515]

Uhhh, how about when he gets better and more experianced with hiis bankai. I think it wont be in this arc, though.

[He's a Mentalist]

There's nothing I like less on this forum than unhappy Bleach fans complaining about plotkai. The topic of this thread can be restated (granted, rather unfavorably) as, "When will Renji fans get some fanservice?" Pyro is right. Just because you don't like how KT develops the plot doesn't make what you don't like plotkai.

Worse, the question ignores the larger story KT tells about the Nakama--that they've trained and worked together to achieve a single goal, saving Orhime. Although struggling against #8, Renji has so far succeeded in that larger goal. Without Renji and Ishida facing Szayel, Szayel could have roamed free.

So, I'm sorry some of you are unhappy with the way things have gone in the series recently. Perhaps you should stop reading? Take a break? Get a back massage? No, I'm not offering. :P


So you are saying that the writer of Bleach doesn't roll the die in the favor of the main characters a little bit? Battles, or situations where they would have died were just coincidence, or miracles? They seem to have an abundant amount of miracles which is understandable.

[xPyrox]

No such thing as Plotkai.

But there is such a thing as people who dont like twists an their opinions being belittled by the writer.

Anyway, he probably will get a big win, but.. fuck knows who on..
I mean, all thats really left is the top espada and the sauna trio.

If Renji beats any of them.. well he'd be on like, high captain tier.
Which he isn't.

Eh. Maybe Rukia gets owned by Mr Exquicas and Renji comes to the rescue or some shit.

I'm going to quote myself.

Because that is what I think about Plotkai. =)

Basically, imo. Renji could have won against any espada up to about, grimmjow.

I mean, Syazel appol, what the shit, literally any captain besides the nutter would have lost to him.

Renji just got an unlucky pairing. But I do think he's a lot stronger than he's currently been able to show, he did a hell of a lot of training.

[Spectre]

Because that Szayel Aporro freak made that do-hicky room,we dont know how much stronger Renji's Bankai has gotten!! And i hope Rukia gets owned by Exequias and Renji goes "To the rescue!!""

[plotkaislayer]

So you are saying that the writer of Bleach doesn't roll the die in the favor of the main characters a little bit? Battles, or situations where they would have died were just coincidence, or miracles? They seem to have an abundant amount of miracles which is understandable.

The image of "rolling the die" is telling, as if KT is a lousy dungeon master. KT doesn't just create a system of powers measuring the battle efficacy of each character and then messes with that system when it doesn't suit his purpose.

KT is an author, albeit of a manga. All stories require a great deal of preparation, such as idea pitching, plotting, story-boarding, etc. He can't write a manga on the fly each week without this much preparation.

So, no, he doesn't roll any dice, and the "bias" in favor of the heroes comes as part of the character development he's planned weeks in advance. Again, the problem it seems people have with Bleach is that KT tells the story differently than from what they want told. They believe their own preferences are correct and that KT's is not. However, this is KT's manga; he's immensely successful and doesn't have to answer to any of us. Rather than resist the story, try to see what KT wants to tell us. Setting preconditions for enjoying any story is really just setting yourself up for the kind of frustration I see people express in things like "plotkai."