Bleach 344 Discusion

[Lune]

Discuss the chapter here from the early spoilers. :smile:

[xPyrox]

Another chapter that seems to drag the bullshit out.

In this chapter, building falls apart.
ulq goes on roof.
Complains.
Releases.
Ichigo baaws.

come onnn T__T We need some action, less talkin' more slashin'


Either way, I wonder why they can't release under the dome? Surely' releasing ontop of the dome is even worse? o_O'

[Diler]

I just can't wait for almost 2 weeks to see Ulq's release. I hope It'll be the most badass release we've seen so far. And yay, he is prolly a VL because the top 4 have to release in some other place. I can just feel the win...

[Stri]

Either way, I wonder why they can't release under the dome? Surely' releasing ontop of the dome is even worse? o_O'

How convenient that the top 4 espada aren't allowed to release under the dome. The hinting of the top 4 being VL, just keeps getting greater and greater. Although I won't say they're definitely VL, until it's actually revealed.

[goze007]

I'm interested to see how Kubo can waste 20 pages of manga to show zero action and minimum plot development

He's dragging this shit out longer and longer... I mean, basically all that happens is someone climbs out of a hole and someone climbs onto the roof.

...And TALK TALK TALK TALK TALK and at least one mind-numbing "KUROSAKI-KUN" from the Mary Sue....

[pumpkin13]

I really don't care, we have Ulquiorra moving to the top of the dome to release, that's all I need. "Lock" Freakin awesome.

I kinda have a nasty feeling that the next chapter after he says "Lock" won't actually be him releasing, but will likely switch back to the real world (/fake KKT) for some more Shunsui/Stark action or Soifon vs. Barrigan etc.

[owbu]

you can see these 1-3 "bragging before the fight/before releasing shikai/bankai/hollowkai/IcanHoldMySwordWithtTwohHandskai" chapters since the begining of bleach.
The pattern is "plot, badguy arrives, talking, some "lets see how good you are" fighting, releasing, "all ive got" fighting, killing, plot"

its quite amazing, that every time kubo is following his usual pattern everyone is totally suprised that hes dragging out things now^^

[justin43]

Top 4 espada have requirements to leave the dome before releasing.:suspicious: Kubo is basely shoving it in our faces that Ulquiorra and above are VLs. Can't wait to see Ulquiorra's release, but I have a bad feeling that Rukia vs. Rubodon will be shown.:suspicious: I want to see Unohana's reaction when Ulquiorra release. Hopefully there will be a backstory to show what it takes to be a VL and maybe reveal details about other VLs(if Ulquiorra is a VL).

[darkhole]

/dance

Ulquiorra's gonna be a VL, Ulquiorra's gonna be a VL, Ulquiorra's gonna be a VL.

Although, I'm still hoping arrancarized VL's have 2 releases, similar to shikai and bankai.

@Pumpkin13: nah, he'll probably finish Rukia's fight with the "tree" or show Ishida's fight with "Koolaid Man." But either way I doubt we're gonna see any of the Ulquiorra/Ichigo fight in 345.

[BRUTE BANKI]

Ulquiorra's release is going to be BADASS....he will soon reveal that he is a VL...and the rest 1-3 are stronger versions. To sume this up he will eplain that all the captains are in trouble fighting the 3.

Ulquiorra RRRRRRRRUUUUUUULLLLLLEEEEEESSSSS!

[r0kems0kemrobot]

one word...

finally

[dynamo]

one word...

finally

I'm not saying finally yet tbh mate, there STILL isn't any proper fighting. And I'm going to echo what an earlier poster said and predict that it will switch to "Karakura" again...

[klem14174]

I am super exited for this chapter. But I am even more exited for the next chapter when Ulquiorra releases. I have always assumed that the top 4 were Vastro Lordes. I am suprised Ishida isnt more along the lines of shitting himself after Yammy comes out of the hole.

[goze007]

I think everyone is jumping the gun a bit... I still don't think that the top 4 are VL's... The evidence is very circumstantial, and probably the only reason they can't release inside is because of the power fluctuation or whatever (like limit breakers for captains in real world).

[justin43]

I doubt that landmine was the best that Ishida had to offer to Yammi.

[Slickz0r]

Finally he releases. Can't wait to see how it's like, since there been a few nice fanfics on the release. Hopefully it won't switch back to KT, or even worse, Rukia and Sado.

[Intense]

I'm interested to see how Kubo can waste 20 pages of manga to show zero action and minimum plot development

Who said there's zero action this chapter?

[Nii-Sama]

he is going to release *fap* fap* fap* =)

[Stri]

I am suprised Ishida isnt more along the lines of shitting himself after Yammy comes out of the hole.

Why would Ishida be shitting himself? Yammi is pure garbage.

[paradise_found]

1337 54UC3.

i know a lot of people are hating, but keep in mind that these chapters would flow a whole lot better if read back to back. A LOT of the soul society arc was just like this, but most of us were able to read that straight through.

give kt a break, things will be good as a whole.

[14M85H4NKZ]

Finally, Hope his release isn't horrible.

[Terabane]

So thats three of the seven deadly sins, Sloth, Wrath, Pride and Lust to go, nice chapter, wouldn't mind seeing a whole chapter dedicated to one fight for once.

[NigaDem]

i feel a plotkai coming along

[fakeobsession]

It is going to be awesome - perfect - fantastic!
I wanna seee ^LOCK^ so much!
It sounds so cool...uh,I'm relieved that Ishida-Yammy would go away!
Finally lets see the battle!

[Boss]

Ulquiorra feels threatened? By what? A faggy archer, VC with a bankai, a 3rd seat shit soul reaper who was one shotted by GJ like nothing, sniveling princess bitch...

It didn't say the captains show up, but if they really didn't, with Yammi helping out and the rest of HM Ulq should really not be having to release at this point.

But on the other hand I can't really complain. Everyone's been waiting on this.

[pumpkin13]

^ I was pretty scepticle about this... Ulquiorra "escapes" to above the dome? As if a pansy quincy turning up as well was going to give him any problems?

Could mean he just moves away from the now cluttered current fighting area what with Ishida and Yammi and Inoue etc, get a bit of freedom for him and Ichigo...

I'm intrigued as to how though... I mean, its a massive dome. And if they can't release underneath the dome, I would imagine its because their release is so powerful it would cause problems with structural integrity. If that's the case, then their power should be on a whole other level from Noitra's. And once again, yet ANOTHER implication that we are watching VL arrancar from now on.

[Terabane]

Ulquiorra feels threatened? By what? A faggy archer, VC with a bankai, a 3rd seat shit soul reaper who was one shotted by GJ like nothing, sniveling princess bitch...

It didn't say the captains show up, but if they really didn't, with Yammi helping out and the rest of HM Ulq should really not be having to release at this point.

But on the other hand I can't really complain. Everyone's been waiting on this.

Truth, although im just glad they are moving it along, you know in the middle of the fight there will be some endless dialogue that is pointless.

[plotkaislayer]

I'm just hoping his release isn't that scarab idea someone linked here. I mean, the Egyptian stuff was cool to read about, but Ichigo getting his ass kicked by a dung beetle doesn't have an epic feel to it. I just imagine Ichigo launching a GT at Ulq., and Ulq repels it with a giant cow turd.

Also, looks like a lot of people have their hopes up about Ulq. being a VL. We still don't know, and I'm afraid you guys will be really disappointed if he isn't. I still believe the only VL under Aizen's control is Wonderwice. Mind you, a big part of me wants to be wrong :D

[Sensui]

The cliche thing would be for him to be a dragon since they are fighting in a castle and orihime is a princess, or at least her name means princess. Though his mask looks like it could be the backside of a horned dragons head and occasionally his coat tails look like wings in certain panels.

[BOssManNate]

I still believe the only VL under Aizen's control is Wonderwice.

AGREED

[VanquishedAngel]

It's funny. "Lock" when he's supposed to release.. Typical Ulqui.. I am beginning to think that he is a VL b/c of the injunction against his release.

[pumpkin13]

yeah its a pretty big hint if you ask me.

And if they're not allowed to release under the dome due to (IM its highly likely to be) structural integrity, then WTF kinda power is it going to be, i mean seriously that dome's fucking huge. Even with his vaizard mask i see no way for Ichigo to keep up with this bitch.

[Slickz0r]

I concur with ya pewmpkin, but I'm curious to his "escape". Most likely it's just to get a clean 1v1 fight with Ichigo. I doubt he's fleeing the scene.

Besides, I hope we will get his whole release command, not just one picture with "Lock".

edit: If the whole space is reverted when Ulquiorra releases, it would be pretty damn phat. Everybody noticing things going back to normal and the huge reiatsu burst. Hope KT will make this epic.

[darkhole]

Yeah, that dome is so big that I forgot they were under a dome. I just started thinking that HM had daylight. Grimmjow's Grand Rey Cero(which partially warped space) can be fired in there but espada 1-4 aren't allowed to release in there? Damn!

[Lnrd]

It looks like Ulqiorra is a lock for being a VL. Pun intended. If it's true that VLs would get more of a boost for Resurrection than an adjuchas would, than we might be seeing Zangetsu and Hichigo make an appearance in 2-4 chapters because Hichigo maxing out Ichigo's mask might not be enough. Unless Hichigo really gives Ichigo all his power, that would mean Ichigo would be able to use that hollow form Hichigo displayed while in control.:omg::crying:

[pumpkin13]

yeah i only just recently noticed the irony of the castle being called "Las Noches" meaning "The Nights" and its daylight inside... =_=

[Kingkon]

I think you guys may be very dissapointed as its never been mentioned that Ulqiorra actually said his zanpakto's name therefore I don't see him releasing just yet, Lock could be a command for something else entirely!

[Boss]

I think you guys may be very dissapointed as its never been mentioned that Ulqiorra actually said his zanpakto's name therefore I don't see him releasing just yet, Lock could be a command for something else entirely!

It could, but in the context of Ulq mentioning that the top 4 espada can't release within the dome I think it's pretty safe to assume that's what he was talking about.
I was thinking that too though. He might just be saying "Lock" to do one thing BEFORE he releases, but it's unlikely. It would make more sense, but that's unlikely for Bleach.

[Mushiro]

Ulquiorra's going to release? New underwear please, these ones are poopy.

[Angels Punishment]

I for one am fucking pumped. His release must be epic if he can't release in the dome. Looks like Hichigo and Zangetsu will definitely be making an appearance otherwise Ichigo is gonna get raped.

[plotkaislayer]

Ulquiorra's going to release? New underwear please, these ones are poopy.

Oh, man. I literally did laugh out loud when I read this.

I maintain that Ichigo can handle Ulq. The title gives us a hint about Ulq's actions: The Pride. Ulq. is acting with pride in taking Ichigo on solo.

I almost wrote that Ichigo might himself have followed with pride, but the titles of these mangas have described the actions of the Arrancar and not of their Nakama opponents (in fact, the opponents behave in contrast to them). I maintain that Ichigo will wins this battle with self-control, maturity, and the will to win.

The plot devices that delivered these attributes (and the power they entail) have been Hichigo (I feel weird saying, "Shirosaki," since I don't know Japanese) or Zangetsu. Now, I know Bankai-Ichigo and Pumpkin have stressed that these guys (eer...guy, since they're one in the same) have to come back for Ichigo to win. I'm not so sure. If they do, though, it'd probably be in a new or different way--one where Hichigo is no longer as adversarial and draws from some of the conversations during his Hollow training. Perhaps, at the end, Hichigo and Zangetsu unite back into a single spirit? That'd be neat, although the Hichigo fans would be pissed! :rollseyes:

[justin43]

It may occur after this fight that Hichigo and Zangetsu return back into one being with Zangetsu being dorminant. Technically, they are one, but Hichigo is in control not Zangetsu. Since Ulquiorra is releasing, I guess we can assume that Ulquiorra doesn't want to risk dying trying to fight a masked Ichigo since he already knows that Ichigo has received a power boost.

[Afrojack]

Well, Ichigo couldn't cut him even with his mask before, and after what is IMO a legit increase in power and focus, he was able to cut him in bankai. I think from what we've seen in this fight so far, the reawakening of Ichigo's confidence and desire to win, that this holds huge potential for how strong he is going to be with the mask on. Still not enough though, IMO. It wouldn't make sense to me for Ichigo to not see either Shirosaki or Zangetsu in this fight, or after it. They're part of him, and he can only get stronger by learning from them.

Ulq's release, I'm pumped as hell. A desert mano-e-mano under the moon. The only question is, full or crescent?

[Soujirou]

Finally that Ichigo is going to fight, the faster it starts, the faster it ends, and hopefully, Ichigo wont get any screen time for some time after this fight, so we will finally see the other characters in action, i just can't wait anymore to see Shunsui and Stark, Soi Fon and Barrangan, plus I want Aizen & Co to be set free already so they can fight against Yama, Koma and someone else. And Renji vs Rudobon, Ishida vs Yammi too... im sick of Ichigo already >.>

[Amata]

I am so pumped for next week. Ulquiorra's release is gonna be epic, and Hichigo or Zangetsu will have to make an appearance to stop Ichigo from getting completely curbstomped.

[Vizard]

Ok I have to say this, because I feel its absored to say that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo aren't one in the same. Which one that shows the manifestation is the same.

Go back to where H-Ichigo showed up (around 220+ in manga). He TOLD US, he is zangetsu. Do you all understand that Zangetsu and his hollow side are both parts of Ichigo's soul? That the hollow manifested its self at the same time that Ichigo got his shinigami side E.G.: Zangetsu.

When Zangetsu first came out, he pulled out the hollow to help train Ichigo to fight Kenpachi. The second time we see his hollow, he gained power and control over the soul, and was thouse manifested!

Ichigo inside his head: is his conscious VS his subconscious/soul (hollow zangetsu).

Nothing says that Ulq has to be a VL just cause top 4 can't release inside the domes. Hell when Nell released every one could feel her power. It's not too far gone to think that Ulq could be as powerful as she is, considering that she used to be #3!

[Boss]

I want this fight to last man. KT has hyped up Ulq. vs. Ichigo for so long now it had better be at least as long as the final GJ fight. UNLESS this isn't the final fight between the two. Maybe Ulq will break the "release and get owned" pattern that has plagued the arrancar since the start of this arc. :bigsmile:

[xPyrox]

Ok I have to say this, because I feel its absored to say that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo aren't one in the same. Which one that shows the manifestation is the same.

Go back to where H-Ichigo showed up (around 220+ in manga). He TOLD US, he is zangetsu. Do you all understand that Zangetsu and his hollow side are both parts of Ichigo's soul? That the hollow manifested its self at the same time that Ichigo got his shinigami side E.G.: Zangetsu.

When Zangetsu first came out, he pulled out the hollow to help train Ichigo to fight Kenpachi. The second time we see his hollow, he gained power and control over the soul, and was thouse manifested!

Ichigo inside his head: is his conscious VS his subconscious/soul (hollow zangetsu).

Nothing says that Ulq has to be a VL just cause top 4 can't release inside the domes. Hell when Nell released every one could feel her power. It's not too far gone to think that Ulq could be as powerful as she is, considering that she used to be #3!

Nel would be ranked about 6 or 7.

Even though she was owning Nnoirta, she was released and he wasn't, and even then I'm not sure if she would have won.

Ulq is hugely powerful, the fact they can't release under the dome probably means they shake the building too much or cause too much destruction.

either way, Ichigo must bother Ulq for him to want to release in return to ichigo mask..

[Vizard]

Nel would be ranked about 6 or 7.

Even though she was owning Nnoirta, she was released and he wasn't, and even then I'm not sure if she would have won.

Ulq is hugely powerful, the fact they can't release under the dome probably means they shake the building too much or cause too much destruction.

either way, Ichigo must bother Ulq for him to want to release in return to ichigo mask..

No. WE know that when she was #3, and Nnoi was # 5, syszel was #8 even then. That never changed. I highly doubt that she would of been killed if her power was 100%, instead of the bull shit half asses power she had based on her resolve.

I said it before, and I will again Ulq will release before Ichigo dawns his mask again. Alot of people have been wanting to see his release for a long time now, to interrupt that for KKT would be stupid and lame as shit! So what if we have to wait till next week to see the full version of his release.

I still think more then half the bitches that comment on every chp sucking needs to stop reading the manga and only watch the anime, that way they aren't so disapointed that it unfolds so "slowly."

[theseraph]

aizen's rule, don't compromise my awesome white chair. i'm psyched, in bleach terms whoever releases first loses, and yet, it seems ulquiorra's going to release before ichigo goes courage the cowardly dog voodoo mask. very interesting.

[Lucky]

So far the Ulq/Ichigo fight has been a HUGE disappointment for me. Especially since this, perhaps unfairly, was being built up as one of the most epic fights in Bleach's history. What pisses me off the most is the apparent fact that Ichigo received a very large power boost by beating Grimmjow without explanation, some of you have gotten over this but it does not sit well with me and reeks of lazyness. Judging by the way the fight is going now, when Ichigo first 'fought' Ulquiorra he would have done much better had he just fought in Bankai form sans Vaizard mask and Ulq actually pulled his Zan out.

It's just bullshit. I would not mind if Ulq was beating Ichigo pillar to post literally but Ichigo was able to hang on and then we were told of him being helped by Zangetsu/Hichigo/both/etc... whatever. Not Ichigo being able to keep up with and in some circumstances actually out-fight Ulquiorra, Zan in hand.

That said I am still very much looking forward to Ulq's release, as that is pretty much the only thing that keeps me remotely interested in this fight right now. It's a shame how low this one has fallen for me though.

[Alan the Cowboy Killer]

Alright, so if what the spoiler says is true and Ulq is indeed going above the dome, then the fight is basically going to be on top of THIIIIIIS:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-244-page-10.html
A good note to make is that you can already see the six towers on the top of the dome. So I guess that answers questions as to how exactly Ulq gets there within a space of a chap, which i found befuddling at first.
And this is actually the first fight that's actually taken in the outside of hueco mundo, the actual environment with the moon and all (well, i guess there was that sand guardian guy, but cmon, does that really count?). I'm glad about that, cause I personally found the 'day' insides Los Noches rather suspense-killing for the fights that took place there. Plus, the moon will be good for any symbolic gestures TK decides to make with Ichigo, seeing Zangetsu is the heavenly moon cutter after all.
Just by the setting, TK is turning this into an epic fight, and by what he's shown so far I think he's prepared a lot for it. Can't wait for next week!


(funny how Ulq starting to release at the end of this weeks chap basically makes us forget this weeks and start discussing for the next's, haha)

[paradise_found]

No. WE know that when she was #3, and Nnoi was # 5, syszel was #8 even then. That never changed. I highly doubt that she would of been killed if her power was 100%, instead of the bull shit half asses power she had based on her resolve.

I said it before, and I will again Ulq will release before Ichigo dawns his mask again. Alot of people have been wanting to see his release for a long time now, to interrupt that for KKT would be stupid and lame as shit! So what if we have to wait till next week to see the full version of his release.

I still think more then half the bitches that comment on every chp sucking needs to stop reading the manga and only watch the anime, that way they aren't so disapointed that it unfolds so "slowly."

No. those that pay attention know that when nel was #3, nnoitra was #8 and szayel-aporro wasn't "even an espada anymore." that's a direct quote. and then coupled with the fact that nnoitra said that her number doesn't mean shit anymore, i am inclined to agree with xpyrox on this. she's probably fifth or sixth now.

i agree hat they won't bring it back to karakura; KT's got this seven deadly sins thing going on right now and it wouldn't make sense for him to create a theme only to break it halfway through.

and totally agree with you there; kids need to quit bitchin' and enjoy the story for what it is. in a year, they'll read back and be like, "oh man, these flow so well now."

[Vizard]

So far the Ulq/Ichigo fight has been a HUGE disappointment for me. Especially since this, perhaps unfairly, was being built up as one of the most epic fights in Bleach's history. What pisses me off the most is the apparent fact that Ichigo received a very large power boost by beating Grimmjow without explanation, some of you have gotten over this but it does not sit well with me and reeks of lazyness. Judging by the way the fight is going now, when Ichigo first 'fought' Ulquiorra he would have done much better had he just fought in Bankai form sans Vaizard mask and Ulq actually pulled his Zan out.

It's just bullshit. I would not mind if Ulq was beating Ichigo pillar to post literally but Ichigo was able to hang on and then we were told of him being helped by Zangetsu/Hichigo/both/etc... whatever. Not Ichigo being able to keep up with and in some circumstances actually out-fight Ulquiorra, Zan in hand.

That said I am still very much looking forward to Ulq's release, as that is pretty much the only thing that keeps me remotely interested in this fight right now. It's a shame how low this one has fallen for me though.


If you feel that way then I offer you 2 choices.
1) take a break for 2 months and stop reading the manga for that period of time. then read all 8 chps at once.

2) just stop reading bleach all together. Cause it seems evident that you can't stand Ichigo as the main chr.


And for fuck sakes people, Zangetsu is not coming back period! :wacko: :mad:

[justin43]

Why wouldn't Zangetsu come back(maybe not this fight)? Someone has to teach Ichigo new moves.:suspicious: No one is better to do that job than good old Zangetsu, his own zanpaktou.:oh:

[Lucky]

If you feel that way then I offer you 2 choices.
1) take a break for 2 months and stop reading the manga for that period of time. then read all 8 chps at once.

2) just stop reading bleach all together. Cause it seems evident that you can't stand Ichigo as the main chr.


And for fuck sakes people, Zangetsu is not coming back period! :wacko: :mad:

1. Bleach remains my favorite current manga in production, I'll read it every week as I damn well please thank you.

2. Try again, I don't even know where you would begin to think that I can't stand Ichigo as main character. I've been able to stand it for 344 fucking chapters now, I think I can make it through this fight. Seeing as I have made it through the entire story as it has been written, I am more than entitled to my opinion whether I like Ichigo or not, and whether or not I am enjoying the current battle. If reading the fact that someone is not exactly thrilled how this current battle is going makes you upset, then perhaps this isn't the place to be.

Also, you, nor anyone else for that matter knows if Zangetsu will make another appearence or not. You may have a "theory" or "hypothesis" about whether we'll see him again or not loosely based on something Hichigo said, but at the end of the day that proves nothing, and it all remains to be seen.

[Vizard]

Why wouldn't Zangetsu come back(maybe not this fight)? Someone has to teach Ichigo new moves.:suspicious: No one is better to do that job than good old Zangetsu, his own zanpaktou.:oh:

Cause Ichigos' hollow is Zangetsu!!!!!!!!!!

The "ol' man Zengetsu" will never be shown again cause the hollow is too strong of a personality for "ol man Z" to show his mug again.

Besides they are a part of one and the same. the hollow is old man, old man is the hollow, both a equal part of Ichigos soul. Domenion is holding for the hollow cause the Hollow is way more stronger then the other part.

If you don't understand that, then you will never get it.

[paradise_found]

Why wouldn't Zangetsu come back(maybe not this fight)? Someone has to teach Ichigo new moves.:suspicious: No one is better to do that job than good old Zangetsu, his own zanpaktou.:oh:

because, as vizard stated earlier, zangetsu and the hollow are the same. depepnding ichigo relies on more, that one gains sovereignty over the inner world.

who better to teach him? i think the hollow could do a pretty bang-up job. after all, i'd rather see a cero before another getsuga.

edit:
turns out he beat me to it!

[Lucky]

Again, you may have your theories, but no one knows for sure if we will see Zangetsu in his "old man" form again. For all we know an intense battle could have been raging inside of Ichigo's soul in which Zangetsu took over Hichigo to be the sole occupant in Ichigo's soul. I'm not saying we will definitely see him again, but to completely write it off as a possibility is purely your opinion which unfortunately does not hold much water in what Kubo will actually write.

[justin43]

Cause Ichigos' hollow is Zangetsu!!!!!!!!!!

The "ol' man Zengetsu" will never be shown again cause the hollow is too strong of a personality for "ol man Z" to show his mug again.

Besides they are a part of one and the same. the hollow is old man, old man is the hollow, both a equal part of Ichigos soul. Domenion is holding for the hollow cause the Hollow is way more stronger then the other part.

If you don't understand that, then you will never get it.

That is the point of Ichigo mastering his hollow powers in this fight, so Zangetsu can come back and teach him more about his bankai in preparation for future fights.:amused:

[Alan the Cowboy Killer]

It would be interesting, if the irony of the release command 'lock' noted, that released Ulq loses his mask and turns more humanlike, if that would be anything like a VL.

But then again, it would also be boring.

[Vizard]

That is the point of Ichigo mastering his hollow powers in this fight, so Zangetsu can come back and teach him more about his bankai in preparation for future fights.:amused:

If his hollow is Zangetsu then the hollow knows everything about Bankai, shikai, hollow, cero, grand ray cero, high speed regeneration, etc etc.

The is nothing about Bankai that the hollow can't show/teach Ichigo how to use...BECAUSE HE IS ZANGETSU!!

I don't understand how you fail to understand this!

[justin43]

I guess you fail to understand that Hichigo is not as cooperative as Zangetsu.

[Vizard]

I guess you fail to understand that Hichigo is not as cooperative as Zangetsu.

Cause he doesn't want to be Ichigo's bitch. He's stronger then Ichigo conscious is. Because he knows what he can do. but Ichigo does't want to believe that he can do it...its called personality!

[Alan the Cowboy Killer]

Here's how I see it....

Hichigo and Zangetsu are one in the same; they've been melded together when Ichigo became a shinigami again. Now it is like a multiple personality disorder, with the dominant one (Hichigo) in control; however, this does not mean the recessive one( Zangetsu) cannot achieve dominace again. Same being, different personalities and thus different relationships with Ichigo.


You're saying Hichigo can show Ichigo himself? Sure, he can, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would. Look at the personalities. Hichigo would rather just take over and fight Ulq himself than, in his view, waste time teaching Ichigo. Zangetsu in contrast, was more of a patient teacher type. This is spec., but in this battle, when Hichigo (inevitably) comes out, imo he's going to help Ichigo for a bit....but he's not going to take him all the way. Ichigo will have to force Hichigo into getting to the Zangetsu side.


Think of it from a story p.o.v., it would be kinda dishonest writing on TK's part to show us a character that enabled Ichigo to learn most of his stuff that got him through his fights in SS, and yet never ever see him again....ever. And now that Ichigo's at his biggest fight yet, it would be nice for Zangetsu to show up.

Besides, we cannot simply trust Hichigo in everything he says. He's obviously a cunning bastard that represents Ichigo's lust for power, and as such he's gonna do whatever takes to get power. Having Ichigo think he is the only option he could turn to would work in his favour; he doesn't want Ichigo talking to Zangy, the better side. How can Hichigo ever gain power that way?

And a final point: fuckin relax.

The internet is srs business.

[justin43]

Point is Hichigo is holding back all info and a good portion of power from Ichigo. Unless Hichigo becomes friendly:suspicious:, Ichigo would have to literally remove him from controlling Zangetsu by either gaining Hichigo's trust or having one last inner battle with winner taking all.

Edit: I guess Alan beat me to it.

[Lucky]

Cause he doesn't want to be Ichigo's bitch. He's stronger then Ichigo conscious is. Because he knows what he can do. but Ichigo does't want to believe that he can do it...its called personality!

LOL!

There is just a tiny smidge of difference between being cooperative vs being "Ichigo's Bitch". That is absolutely absurd. Tell me, when "old man" Zangetsu was around and was there to battle with Ichigo when Ichi was trying learn Bankai in Yoruichi's crash course, did Zangetsu's attitude towards Ichigo lean even somewhat towards Ichigo being the dominant figure there? Moreso, was Zangetsu waiting on hands and knees just hoping for the opportunity for Ichigo to order him around, to give him something to do?

Didn't think so...

[Vizard]

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-220-page-10.html

Go ahead and read that whole chapter.

I don't think you all could be confused any more. Then again....

[Boss]

Hey hey now guys, we should keep the fights in the manga.

I don't think Zangetsu and Hichigo are the same. They are related, but not the same. The reason they interact is because they are in Ichigo's consciousness. I can't explain Hichigo evaporating into Zangetsu, but I will pose that if they were the same then why would Hichigo have a need to share his thoughts with Zangetsu? They would already know. Because they would be the same. Also, why even have a Hichigo if they were the same? Zangetsu could do that role himself in that case. Zangetsu can clearly fight, and if he is the same as Hichigo and so easily swayed then by Ichigo's insecurities then he could of just out right tried to kill Ichigo himself.

I really think the two are just manifestations of different parts of Ichigo's battle persona. Hichigo is Ichigo's hollow side, and Zangetsu is the spirit of his sword. They meet up in Ichigo's world because that's how they know each other. My point being they are NOT the same spirit. They probably quarrel a lot because Zangetsu is a zampaktou and his purpose is eradicate hollows. That would include Hichigo. This would be my guess as to why when they came into contact with one another Hichigo dissolved into Zangetsu.

I don't think Zangetsu has shown up for a while because Ichigo has been relying on his hollow powers. He is completely in tune with Zangetsu (as much as he needs to be) which is demonstrated by his casual use of bankai. I think Zangetsu is just supposed to be assumed to be present as Ichigo's sword.

[pumpkin13]

They're two different sides of the same coin, Zangetsu is Heads and Ogichi is Tales, that's how I always saw it. They'd share thoughts with each other because Heads ISNT Tales and vice versa, so they're not of the same mind between the two, but they're both of Ichigo's mind/soul.

[plotkaislayer]

Things are getting pretty heated here. I hope I'm not the guy you were originally addressing, Vizard, concerning Zangetsu and Hichigo being the same person. I thought I admitted as much in my rather rambly post a couple pages back.

Thanks for linking that chapter, by the way. I've reread it and have remembered how much I liked that part of the series.

Hichigo is inconsistent in what he says about Zengetsu. On the one hand, he says that he IS Zangetsu, but obviously Hichigo isn't the same MANIFESTATION of Zangetsu. Because we're introduced to the "old man" first, we associate him with the Zanpaktou's form--therefore with shikai and bankai. Because Hichigo manifests in hollowfication, we associate his power only with the mask.

But, again, I just don't know how much we can trust Hichigo. We certainly know that shinimgami powers are independent from powers gained from hollowfication, yet we also know that once hollows become arrancar that they acquire Zanpaktou's of their own--therefore, some of their hollow powers begin to resemble shinigami powers (such as shunpo and sunido). Part of what this arc has done is collapse the distinctions of shinigami and hollow in the development of Ichigo's character, the introduction of the Vizards and the Espada, and with the still unknown powers Aizen & co. may have achieved. In every case, we can see powers united in a single person but still distinct from each other. After all, Espada still have ceros, even if they have fancy katanas. Hacchi still performs Kidou, despite his hollowfication.

So when Hichigo claims to BE Zangetsu, I don't completely believe him. Why? If, Hichigo is right, then that monstrosity Kensei became after hollowfication is the "real" Kensei united with his Zanpaktou. If that were the case, then Urahara and Tessai could have done nothing to reverse or improve his condition or that of the others. Yet, Kensei and the other Vizards have gone through a process to subjugate their hollows to serve them--to enhance their shinigami powers. It seems like this hollowfication process entails hollow subjugation. When Hichigo has the upper hand, he is right to say he IS Zangetsu, since he takes control of Ichigo's shinigami reiatsu (remember that only Captain/VC reiatsu levels can successfully undergo hollowfication); when Ichigo overcomes Hichigo, I think Hichigo and Zangetsu split once again--since Ichigo unites with Zangetsu. The image KT uses for that is changing of Zangetsu's color from white to black.

Wow, I bet this is long. I'm posting in the quickly reply box, so I can't tell. But rereading that chapter really got me going. Such a good chapter.

[Lucky]

Ok, well I'm about done "discussing" something with someone who doesn't bother to listen to anyone else's sides of the argument and responds back with something that has nothing to do with my own responses. Talking to someone who only hears what they want to hear is a little annoying, so we'll just move on by...

Moving on, one of the bright spots in the past couple chapters has actually been Ishida's emergence for me actually. Sooner or later Yammy was bound to show up, but I just didn't think it would be in the middle of this particular battle. Personally I had always thought Part of me is annoyed by the fact that the battle is interrupted, but it wasn't exactly going so strong that my eyes couldn't be taken off the action either. Anyway, I do like the fact that Ishida may actually get to be of use in a pretty crucial spot after being treated as a red-headed step-sister in the Szayel fight.

I've said my piece on the way Ichigo/Ulquiorra is going, and the only thing that is really going to save it for me will be a legitamate reason for Ichigo all of a sudden being able to hang with Ulq, much less a RELEASED Ulq. Hopefully it will indeed be the reappearence of Zangetsu/Hichigo, or even a full Hollow takeover once Ichigo is on the verge of death. I don't hate Ichigo at all, but that will be pretty much the only way that his single entity (+Zangetsu and/or Inner Hollow) will be able to defeat a released Ulquiorra judging by the difference of strength in their previous battle, which a lot of people have somehow conviently forgotten for whatever reason.

Hopefully the form of a released Ulquiorra will be pretty badass, and it may even clue us in as to whether or not he is a Vasto Lorde, although it was never specifically stated what a Resurrection of an Arrancarized VL will look like, it still may give us something worth discussing.

[pumpkin13]

Well, if he looks very very human, same size as he is now, just with a little more armour, then i think its safe to say he's probably a VL.

[ZER(o)]

Watch his release be a fucking turnip or some shit.

[Lucky]

Well, if he looks very very human, same size as he is now, just with a little more armour, then i think its safe to say he's probably a VL.

That's what I was getting at.

It would be nice to finally get the question of "Who is a VL?" out of the way.

[Afrojack]

I always saw it as, both Zangetsu and Hichigo are one the same because they're the one source of Ichigo's power. It's sort of like the Tao, in that the opposites, like Pumpkin said, represent two contrasting but harmonious parts of the one whole. They both represent the whole of Ichigo's power, which just happens to be divided right down the middle along two compeltely opposite powers, philosophies, perspectives, etc. In this way, Hichigo is Zangetsu, he is simply the Yin to Zangetsu's Yang. Ichigo, as Shirosaki said himself, is in a period of darkness, but darkness always leads to light, and soon enough Zangetsu will return as the dominant representation of Ichigo's power. When he finds spiritual balance, he will likely be able to confront either of them, as mental control seems to be the key to true power in this manga, because as we see, raw potential alone is no longer cutting it for Ichigo, and it hasn't been for a long time.

[Boss]

They're two different sides of the same coin, Zangetsu is Heads and Ogichi is Tales, that's how I always saw it. They'd share thoughts with each other because Heads ISNT Tales and vice versa, so they're not of the same mind between the two, but they're both of Ichigo's mind/soul.

Well, I agree with you to an extent. I really don't think Zangetsu is as much a part of Ichigo's conscious as Hichigo. Zangetsu is the spirit of Ichigo's sword, which is the closest thing to a representation of his Shinigami side. I do not think Zangetsu is that representation though. I think he's just taken on that role in the story. When Ichigo is more in tune with his shinigami side he talks to Zangetsu because it's his zampaktou and therefore his greatest ally as a Shinigami. Hichigo is different because Hichigo is actually Ichigo. I think Hichigo and Ichigo are more the same being than Zangetsu for either one. Zangetsu is the sword. That's all I'm saying.

Also as for what Afro Jack was saying; even if they're the yin yang they can still be separate beings. I agree with you but I still don't think they're the same being.

[pumpkin13]

however the sword is the personification of a shinigami's powers, and the powers are unlocked from within the soul, so zangetsu is a personification of the powers from within Ichigo's soul himself, so he's just as much a part of him.

[VanquishedAngel]

I always saw it as, both Zangetsu and Hichigo are one the same because they're the one source of Ichigo's power. It's sort of like the Tao, in that the opposites, like Pumpkin said, represent two contrasting but harmonious parts of the one whole. They both represent the whole of Ichigo's power, which just happens to be divided right down the middle along two compeltely opposite powers, philosophies, perspectives, etc. In this way, Hichigo is Zangetsu, he is simply the Yin to Zangetsu's Yang. Ichigo, as Shirosaki said himself, is in a period of darkness, but darkness always leads to light, and soon enough Zangetsu will return as the dominant representation of Ichigo's power. When he finds spiritual balance, he will likely be able to confront either of them, as mental control seems to be the key to true power in this manga, because as we see, raw potential alone is no longer cutting it for Ichigo, and it hasn't been for a long time.

It is more accurate to say that he is the yin to Ichigo's yang. Zangetsu is one with Hichigo in the same way that Zangetsu is one with Ichigo. They are both part of the same system.

(Ichigo =>Zangetsu<= Hichigo)

It's just that you approach Zangetsu from one side or you can approach from the other. Another way to think of it is like this. They are mirror images of each other, Zangetsu being the mirror.

Hichigo is the willful, egotistical avenue that is instinctive and as such he discovers things faster than Ichigo. Ichigo is ignorant and blind to his power. He is conflicted by thoughts such as protection, caring and the such. As a result he has a fear of loss that Hichigo does not possess. Hichigo has no such impediments. He is open and and as a result he seems to be more capable at wielding Zangetsu. But in truth they are all one in the same... Their potential when separate (Ichigo as shinigami and Hichigo as hollow) is the same. When merged (Ichigo as vizard) it is doubled. It is just a question of which personality controls Zangetsu. Zangetsu as the mirror that is also a conscious and aware being can act as a surrogate for either side of the mirror. He can assume control of "Hichigo's" side and access that power as well as assume control of Ichigo's side. We see this in the Zaraki fight when Zangetsu tells Ichigo to trust him. It was just that Ichigo was the dominant personality at that time having just bested Hichigo.

[Slickz0r]

These spoilers aren't good for me, clearly affecting my unconcious state. I had the craziest dream ever.

In short, Ulquiorra had to take out his eyeball again, then crush it to release. His released form was a big fat ball (?!).

Anyways, I see Hichigo/Zangetsu the same way Pumpz does, like a coin with two sides. They have two different personalities, yet still the same entity.

According to the last words spoken by Hichigo, he will probably share his full extent of powers with Ichigo next time they meet, probably sooner than later. In contrast to what many believe, I don't think they will argue/fight it out this time. The fight has been settled, I believe this time Hichigo will take on a more educational role, despite his sinister personality. Ichigo already gained the instincts to fight, and they have developed further throughout the HM arc. Next time they meet, I believe it will be on more equal terms.

[pumpkin13]

From the spoilers:

After turning into a viazard, Ichigo dashes to Ulquiorra and their swords clash. However, this time Ulquiorra’s sword cracks a little.

Ok... WTF. Ulquiorra's sword cracks a little? Are you shitting me? Dissipating Ulqui's cero with his sword I can manage, but cracking (even a little) his sword with just one attack now he's in vaizard mode... like can you get any more inconsistant? I know Ichi's meant to get power ups and everything, but thats just TOO randomly big a powerup. Hopefully the spoilers are giving a slightly skewed view and the actual manga will show Ulqui as still generally having the advantage, and then he goes Res, and SHOULD rape ichigo until ichi does something gay like visit his internal world again for another power up, or Unohana steps in (hey i can still dream). If Ulqui does anything LESS than rape ichi before ichi gets another power up i will be fucking livid. Like going apeshit on this mother.

[xBanzai89]

I would love to see Hichigo come out and rape Ulq personally, but Ichigo won't let that happen at least finish him off anyway.

[Vergil]

I dont want Ichi to go vaizard yet....i hope that part of spoiler is fake...

[xPyrox]

Ichigo's raping Ulq in Vizard mode.
Imo. thats fine.

See, Shinji was raping the shit out of grimmjow and he was barely taking him seriously.
He didn't use shikai, or anything but his mask and a cero and grimmjow was almost forced to release.

now, ichigo's ALSO in Bankai with a mask and resolve.
imo, thats strong enough to own Ulq without his release.

[Whyte Bler 000]

I always saw it as, both Zangetsu and Hichigo are one the same because they're the one source of Ichigo's power. It's sort of like the Tao, in that the opposites, like Pumpkin said, represent two contrasting but harmonious parts of the one whole. They both represent the whole of Ichigo's power, which just happens to be divided right down the middle along two compeltely opposite powers, philosophies, perspectives, etc. In this way, Hichigo is Zangetsu, he is simply the Yin to Zangetsu's Yang. Ichigo, as Shirosaki said himself, is in a period of darkness, but darkness always leads to light, and soon enough Zangetsu will return as the dominant representation of Ichigo's power. When he finds spiritual balance, he will likely be able to confront either of them, as mental control seems to be the key to true power in this manga, because as we see, raw potential alone is no longer cutting it for Ichigo, and it hasn't been for a long time.


Think Freud and the Id, the ego, and the super-ego. It fits all three perfectly. Ichigo is the ego, hollow ichigo is the id, and zangetsu is the super-ego.

Anyways back to the chapter. It would seem as if Ichigo can call upon more of his hollow's power. Just like all other manga, the stronger the resolution, the stronger they can get. Ichigo will not accept anything less than defeating everyone in his way ( which is probably why is hollow is lending him more power ) and bringing his friends back home.

I'm not really suprised either, we knew something would have to happen for him to beat Ulquiorra, and nothing short of a major power up would do it.

[Terabane]

Ichigo must be a saiyan, because after every fight he gets stronger with no explanation as to how, he is possibly the most basic main character in any series, his list of moves since the start has consisted of:

Getsuga Tenshou ---> Bankai ----> GT in Bankai ----> Vaizard Powers

Thats it, through the entire series he hasn't developed anything other than that and just gets stronger with no real explanation, its bullshit.

[darkhole]

Lets see...

Against Grimmjow Ichigo fights in bankai, goes vizard mode before Grimmjow releases, then gets a "Kurosaki-kun!" power up to finish Grimmjow off.

Against Ulquiorra Ichigo fights in bankai first, goes vizard mode before Ulquiorra releases, then he's gonna get an inner world power up to finish Ulquiorra off.

God I hope Ulquiorra puts another hole in Ichigo's chest and Unohana has to intervene. And if Hollow Ichigo does show up, I hope Ulquiorra puts a hole in his chest too. Seriously, Hollow Ichigo is so overrated.

[goze007]

Lets see...

Against Grimmjow Ichigo fights in bankai, goes vizard mode before Grimmjow releases, then gets a "Kurosaki-kun!" power up to finish Grimmjow off.

Against Ulquiorra Ichigo fights in bankai first, goes vizard mode before Ulquiorra releases, then he's gonna get an inner world power up to finish Ulquiorra off.

God I hope Ulquiorra puts another hole in Ichigo's chest and Unohana has to intervene. And if Hollow Ichigo does show up, I hope Ulquiorra puts a hole in his chest too. Seriously, Hollow Ichigo is so overrated.

I would laugh with sadness and derision if Ichigo gets his "plotkai power up" AGAIN after useless Orihime shouts another blood-boiling "Kurosaki-kun"...

I think that would be the point where Bleach officially turns to shit

[Slickz0r]

Seriously, can we stop bashing for a second or two? Give the manga at least 3-4 chapters so we can see how things will actually turn out. It wasn't a shocker now, was it? Considering Ichigo kept up with an unreleased Ulquiorra with just his bankia. What, did you all think when donning his mask he would get weaker? Lulz

Besides, when Ulquiorra releases and starts using a few of his tricks, Ichigo will go down. It's like written in stone.

[Terabane]

Seriously, can we stop bashing for a second or two? Give the manga at least 3-4 chapters so we can see how things will actually turn out. It wasn't a shocker now, was it? Considering Ichigo kept up with an unreleased Ulquiorra with just his bankia. What, did you all think when donning his mask he would get weaker? Lulz

Besides, when Ulquiorra releases and starts using a few of his tricks, Ichigo will go down. It's like written in stone.

Then explain to me how he got his power up to stay with Ulquiorra in just bankai? What is he going to do when Ulquiorra releases? Spam his usual GT, the most repetitive boring move in the manga.

[Slickz0r]

Yea I agree on the boring and predictable part. And I'm still waiting for a good explanation of how he manages to get stronger. We got a hint of it while he was fighting, as if he's become more like a hollow or Ulquiorra more like a human.

Of course, that's not a real explanation. Hell, it's not even that logical. Anyways, I believe we will know for sure when he gets a revisitation from Zangetsu/Hichigo during his fight now.

If we won't, I'll probably jump the bash train along with you guys.

[Dorito]

I hadn't read Bleach in months on a consistent basis and decided to marathon read everything from turn back the pendulum till now and all i have to say is......WOW....Kubo really has forgotten how to progress a shonen hasn't he? I've almost gave up on Bleach after this 3 year arc that hasn't progressed anything.

I'm on the verge of denouncing myself as a Bleachtard.

[plotkaislayer]

Well, I'm fully signed up as a Bleachtard, and I remain perplexed by how impressed people are with Ulquiorria's abilities over Ichigo's. The notion that a particular outcome is "written in stone" astonishes me, since the plot for Ichigo has been whether or not he could reach the power necessary to fight Ulquiorria. Either Ichigo cannot, in which case his growth ceased with the Grimmjow fight, or he can, in which case his growth continues. I've seen and made some pretty strong cases for how such a growth is possible, drawing directly from the plot that KT does well to provide.

What I'm seeing from this "saiyan" and "plotkai" complaining are people already unhappy with the series. They identify the series with its main protagonist--Ichigo--then root for the villain to validate their distaste for the series. KT is under no obligation to suit your needs. If or when he doesn't, you can call him a bad manga developer (because you somehow know better than he does?). Look, if you don't like the series, then stop reading it. Somehow, coming on here and complaining seems inappropriate. Isn't there a "I hate Bleach and KT" forum where these conversations take place? If not, then perhaps start one?

In fact, the whole strategy of preparing for disappointment to ensure its result is depressing. Why read a manga this way? It's like dipping your junk novocain before sex. "I can't feel a thing. Sex is terrible, or this lady is just bad at it." Please. :\

[Athane]

Ichigo cracked ulquiorra's sword a little. That's, uh, pretty crazy there.

KT is most likely setting up for Ichigo to look badass "from this chapter" via, going vizard, cracking his sword ulquiorra's "escape", then it will be flipped around when Ulquiorra releases. Ichigo might not be able to keep up with ulquiorra.

But for some reason, from reading these last 3-4 chapters that there's been some ominous hinting at the power of Ichigo's hollow side, with menoli and loli being scared going up to the tower, were they afraid of Ulquiorra or Ichigo, Ulquiorra never hurt them, ya know.

Anyway, Ulqui is going to own some face in his resurrected form, KT is going to make this a really tough fight with Ichigo. If he makes Ulquiorra just canon fodder for Ichigo that would just, be lame.

I think KT did these chapters well though, I had said it before, that Ulquiorra was trying to get Ichigo to go Vaizard, Ichigo would go Vaizard and then Ulquiorra would be like "oh shit", which from these current spoilers is exactly what happened but I got neg repped for it by someone. (Not bitching just pointing it out to the noob that neg repped me). However, like I said before Ulquiorra's release isn't going to be some run of the mill, blah blah blah, I'm feeling since Ulquiorra has been Ichigo's main nemesis for a while, that his ressurrecion might be something similar to Ichigo's bankai where as it increases his fighting capabilities instead of just boosting attack power or whatever, I believe if that happened V Ichigo wouldn't be able to keep up. It's just a thought though. Later.

[Slickz0r]

Well, I'm fully signed up as a Bleachtard, and I remain perplexed by how impressed people are with Ulquiorria's abilities over Ichigo's. The notion that a particular outcome is "written in stone" astonishes me, since the plot for Ichigo has been whether or not he could reach the power necessary to fight Ulquiorria. Either Ichigo cannot, in which case his growth ceased with the Grimmjow fight, or he can, in which case his growth continues. I've seen and made some pretty strong cases for how such a growth is possible, drawing directly from the plot that KT does well to provide.

What I'm seeing from this "saiyan" and "plotkai" complaining are people already unhappy with the series. They identify the series with its main protagonist--Ichigo--then root for the villain to validate their distaste for the series. KT is under no obligation to suit your needs. If or when he doesn't, you can call him a bad manga developer (because you somehow know better than he does?). Look, if you don't like the series, then stop reading it. Somehow, coming on here and complaining seems inappropriate. Isn't there a "I hate Bleach and KT" forum where these conversations take place? If not, then perhaps start one?

In fact, the whole strategy of preparing for disappointment to ensure its result is depressing. Why read a manga this way? It's like dipping your junk novocain before sex. "I can't feel a thing. Sex is terrible, or this lady is just bad at it." Please. :\

That's quite the shallow interpretation of the bleach fans in here. Someone will probably fit your profile. I however, believe that most of us just want a minor explanation for his powerups. We know that he grows stronger by each battle, and that's all natural, but it isn't really cutting it anymore. Thinking about the little amount of time that has passed since the last few battles, it feels abit awkward.

I have patience though, and there will probably be an explanation. And I'm not ever gonna bash our protagonist, basically because he's most enjoyable.

[Intense]

Ichigo must be a saiyan, because after every fight he gets stronger with no explanation as to how, he is possibly the most basic main character in any series, his list of moves since the start has consisted of:

Getsuga Tenshou ---> Bankai ----> GT in Bankai ----> Vaizard Powers

Thats it, through the entire series he hasn't developed anything other than that and just gets stronger with no real explanation, its bullshit.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-193-page-19.html
Ichigo was stronger than Ulq from the beggining, only now he's tapping into his full potential. Subconciously of course.

[grimmjow58]

I'm tired of poeple bitching about bleach if you don't like it don't read/watch it, but to continuously bitch about it and then come to a bleach site to bitch about it come on guys, now i know your not gonna like what you allways read/watch in bleach but to say how dumb and boring it is and you continue to read/watch now your just making your self look foolish.

Now about the spoilers i'm psyhed i can't wait to see Ulquiorra's.

[Sensui]

Intense is right people. Ulq himself said that Ichigo's power was greater at its peak than his own. The Problem is that Ichigo never was able to focus it. Now, since about three quarters of the way through the Grimmjow fight, he has found that focus he required. Until that point in the Grimmjow fight Ichigo was getting thrashed. He realized what he was fighting for and now has that intensity and focus that he was lacking which is why he is now able to stand up to Ulq. At least that is what I have gathered from reading.

[dakidd39668]

Um, what happened to Yami? Did he fall thru the floors or something?

[Wonderwice#1]

I'd lol so hard if Yammi actually dies from that fall. Hopefully he isn't and he'll release and do something of worth.

the amount of kubo cock sucking in this thread is well over 9000...

I'm just amazed that Ulq cero's suddenly do nothing and he cracked his sword..... Watch ulq get one shotted or something..

[klem14174]

yes he did, all the way to the basement floor. Ishida made it so he could fall through every floor untill he hit the bottom. But Yammy will be fine and will be back in the next few chapters.

[Angels Punishment]

One of the dumbest power-ups ever, but it does sound pretty badass.

[Boss]

Well Ulq's cero did hit Ichigo before and all that really got messed up was his clothes. So in vaizard form...

[plotkaislayer]

@slickz0r: I don't really mean to lump you in with the complainers, but I think I got your comment confused with the rest of the dreck from a couple pages before. My apologies!

[He's a Mentalist]

Y'all start flaming over a cracked sword? Lol, Ichigo just got a bit stronger since his fight with Grimmjow. Swords crack, they aren't made to not crack. Given that they've been clashing swords throughout the fight while Ichigo was stronger than before, and since going vaizard and clashing swords again, it is logical enough to think that Ulquiorra's sword might crack a little due to the overhaul in strength that is coming down on it. Ichigo blocking the cero with his sword is logical as well. Ulquiorra stated that Ichigo had gotten stronger before they started to fight, and not only that, but Ichigo seemingly took little damage from Ulquiorr'a cero in bankai. It makes sense that he'd be able to whisk it away easily in vaizard mode.

What I am wondering is why did Ulquiorra retreat to a place where he is unable to release? Interesting...

[Lnrd]

Well Ulq's cero did hit Ichigo before and all that really got messed up was his clothes. So in vaizard form...

True

[Captain Abarai]

Swords crack, they aren't made to not crack. Given that they've been clashing swords throughout the fight while Ichigo was stronger than before, and since going vaizard and clashing swords again, it is logical enough to think that Ulquiorra's sword might crack a little due to the overhaul in strength that is coming down on it. Ichigo blocking the cero with his sword is logical as well. Ulquiorra stated that Ichigo had gotten stronger before they started to fight, and not only that, but Ichigo seemingly took little damage from Ulquiorr'a cero in bankai. It makes sense that he'd be able to whisk it away easily in vaizard mode. .

Yea Ichigo's been getting stronger since Bleach Chapter 1.

Ulquiorra's sword probably cracked cause he was too busy being *The Sloth* LOL, all laid back and not properly honed and completely committed to stopping Ichigo's sword, add Ichigo's fervently increasing determination and focus shown from the last few chapters..it's perfectly founded.

IMO it seems as though Ulquiorra tries his best to use as little effort as possible against Ichigo. Hand in pocket, blocking him without looking his direction etc, sure that stuff looks DOPE but still.. looks like he's laying the blueprint for Ichigo to get the jump on him. As we're seeing here. *Until his release*. It's sorta like Byakuya vs Renji, Renji was doin pretty good until Byakuya said "you seem to have forgotten that I too have Bankai"

We seen swords crack before. To a major extent, Kenpachi poked right through Zangetsu when Ichigo was distracted by fear and didn't hone his reiatsu. Can't be untrue to your opponents sword in the Bleach-Verse, that's how you die.

To make another stupid comparison. If Kenpachi can simply palm away Nnoritra's Cero, then *newly focused* Vaizard Bankai Ichigo can bat away Ulquiorra's Cero. Ulquiorra talked about how that it didn't matter how Ichigo used Getsuga against him, that it will never work.

Ulquiorra forgot how that his continuous use of that Cero is beginning to wane as well, Ichigo is getting used to it. :D

[Slickz0r]

What I am wondering is why did Ulquiorra retreat to a place where he is unable to release? Interesting...

He retreated to a place where he COULD release.

[Terabane]

Also can someone explain to me the Yammi falling? Everyone in bleach can essentially fly, or is that not possible in HM?

[justin43]

Theorically, Yammi should be able to just form reiatsu at the bottom of his feet and fly unless he has poor reiatsu control.:suspicious:

[Lune]

Also can someone explain to me the Yammi falling? Everyone in bleach can essentially fly, or is that not possible in HM?

Considering Grimmjow and Ichigo were standing in mid air for most of their fight it must be possible in HM. Whether it is possible in Las Noches is a slightly different question but I can't see why not.

Maybe Yammi's just so stupid that he's forgotten that he can do that. :odd:

[Lnrd]

^Grim and Ichigo fought inside of Las Noches.

[Lune]

Ah yeah. Well they fought in the virtual outside bit, maybe it's different in the buildings. I doubt that though.

[xPyrox]

Dunno when they learnt to fly. Seems a bit shit... unless they're moving so fast it just seems like it

[pumpkin13]

hmmmm if that IS yammi dead then i'll be peeved. Surely we have to see his release first? Plus I can't think Ishida would be stupid enough to let a fall kill someone without checking their dead himself.

[Terabane]

Considering Grimmjow and Ichigo were standing in mid air for most of their fight it must be possible in HM. Whether it is possible in Las Noches is a slightly different question but I can't see why not.

Maybe Yammi's just so stupid that he's forgotten that he can do that. :odd:

This is my point, why is he falling? surely he could just stop himself after a while.

[Captain Abarai]

You're pretty much guaranteed to get a *CRASH* bloodied Yammi "YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD KILL ME???!!"

Release. Whatever.. you know how it goes.

lol, good opportunity for The Wrath. *shrugs*

[Afrojack]

Ah yeah. Well they fought in the virtual outside bit, maybe it's different in the buildings. I doubt that though.

IIRC HM is in perpetual night, and LN extends a little bit into an outside area. What Ulq meant is that he has to leave LN, not the building, or at least that's the way I understood it. If GJ's cero warped the sky of LN, then Ulq would probably tear it apart. Ulq and Ichigo are going outside LN to the night desert.

[IchiRuki08]

This is my point, why is he falling? surely he could just stop himself after a while.

Ya they kinda pull naruto like stuff with water but in the air. They use there reisatu though. All the characters that are shinigami can do it... yammy even did it against Hisu but I guess Kubo forgot about the flying thing once again. lol

Yammy can get hurt a butch and it doesnt matter once he releases he'll be fully healed.

[darkhole]

This is my point, why is he falling? surely he could just stop himself after a while.

Kind of reminds me of DBZ and the fight between Goku and Frieza. Frieza has goku hanging on the edge of some cliff and Goku's afraid to fall. I'm just like, "Goku, haven't u been flying since the start of DBZ?" Honestly though, I think the authors just forget things like that in an attempt to create suspense.

[pumpkin13]

IIRC HM is in perpetual night, and LN extends a little bit into an outside area. What Ulq meant is that he has to leave LN, not the building, or at least that's the way I understood it. If GJ's cero warped the sky of LN, then Ulq would probably tear it apart. Ulq and Ichigo are going outside LN to the night desert.

Not quite sure what you meant by this?

Las Noches is the gargantuan palace/castle, the main body of which is formed by a dome, under which are lots of other buildings. Inside that dome, for some reason, it is daylight, perhaps its a constant illusion of Aizen's or maybe its some other related trickery. LN is the building/palace. So he has to leave the dome underwhich they have been for all this time, and go outside of LN into Hueco Mundo in order to properly release.

[Afrojack]

Yeah sorry, that's what I meant. The dome is a large area wherein it is daytime. They're leaving LN to fight in HM.

[pumpkin13]

Yeaha, sorry, it seemed lieke you were saying the inside of las noches expanded into like a different dimension or something...

[Vizard]

I really wish people would stop posting about whats going to happen in the chp before they actually see the pictures.

Too much confusion occures, and you doing get the true impression of whats happening. So bacially everything that is posted is a load of grabish.

[Whyte Bler 000]

there are scans up at bleach asylum. they break a whole in the roof of las noches, and are outside of it.

the scene of ichigo putting his mask on is without a doubt the most badass scene ever, EVER...

[vudupins]

there are scans up at bleach asylum. they break a whole in the roof of las noches, and are outside of it.

the scene of ichigo putting his mask on is without a doubt the most badass scene ever, EVER...

Link please?

[mjf595]

Link please?

http://www.bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=1063524&postcount=348

[vudupins]

Thanks!

[Vizard]

http://www.bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=1063524&postcount=348

Meh raw... Anyone else notice the change to Ichigo's mask?

those lines are much fuller, and it shapes to his face alot more.

based on the raw from asylum I give this weeks a 9. I hope Ichigo sees that half moon then releasizes something and bust out a new move!

[d3m1G0d]

there are scans up at bleach asylum. they break a whole in the roof of las noches, and are outside of it.

the scene of ichigo putting his mask on is without a doubt the most badass scene ever, EVER...

Whoa!!!!!!!! Dude you're right that is all kinds of BADASS.

Kinda looks like a lion from the left side.

[Angels Punishment]

Yeah Ichigo definitely looks badass now. Didn't look like everyone noticed him like the spoilers said though.

[Vizard]

god damn it angel, that dethklock sig is fucking awesome dude!

I love that show!!

[Angels Punishment]

Thanks. Metalocalypse is the shit.:amused:

Anyone have a guess at why Ichigo's jaw opens sometimes but not others? I mean he's screamed before and it hasn't opened like that so why now?

[UnadvisedGoose]

I think its just him getting more and more in touch with his Hollow side, and gaining more control over it. He does look quite a bit more. . . awesome.

[Captain Abarai]

wow.

10's across the board.

[djray]

i feel like compared to naruto we get so much less in one chapter however this is sick im reallllly!!!!!!! excited for the next chapter ulq release unless they decide to finish the rukia fight which wouldnt surprise me and im glad that theyre changing the scene for this fight i dont remember hollow ichigo ever being able to cut into any arracars sword let alone #4 mr schiffer

[Angels Punishment]

It's out on onemanga

[TwelveGauge]

This weeks chapter was SICKNESS!!!
Finally we are going to see some actual fighting between Uliq. and Ichigo!
The only problem is...Does Ichigo have the mad skillz required to beat Uliq?

[Vic]

i've uploaded the new chapter to BE.

[|-TheExile-|]

My view is that while it`s technically true that Hichigo and Zangetsu are part of the same being, it`s not IMO that they can be one being, but rather that they`re reflections of who Ichigo is. I mean, this idea may have been dropped since it`s been a while in the manga since it`s been mentioned, but originally hollows were supposed to be creatures consumed by desires, instincts, baser motives, etc. In essence, Hichigo, if Kubo didn`t change what he views hollows as, is the reflection of Ichigo without any rational brake on his personality. He`s just raw, rampaging desire. Zangetsu, I think, isn`t even part of the dynamic. IMO, he`s more a tool and a part of Ichigo that a reflection of him. It doesn`t make sense, IMO, for the two to ever become one.

The difference between the two, IMO, is in what they exist to do. Zangetsu is a tool for Ichigo - he`s a weapon and because of that there`s a sort of natural subservience to his relation to Ichigo`s primary psyche. Hichigo isn`t - he wants to break free, he`s sort of like a wild animal, so he`s trying to take control of the body.

Re: Ichigo matching up with Ulquiorra, I made a post about this before in this other thread on inconsistency, but Ichigo`s power is pretty consistent. It`s just a matter of how focused he is on breaking his opponent or winning - that`s what allow him to tap into his power. It`s those times that he manages to draw his full power. Our only real exceptions to this have been v. Renji (first time) and the last part of the Grimmjow fight (but the first part of it acts to corroborate the theory). After all, one of Ulquiorra`s first observations about Ichigo was that, although a little schizoid, for a few moments Ichigo actually was stronger than him.

Meh raw... Anyone else notice the change to Ichigo's mask?

those lines are much fuller, and it shapes to his face alot more.


Could be a trend, or just a new design. I always had the impression that as Ichigo managed to draw more and power of his powers, the white mask of the hollow became more and more tinted with his own colour.

[fourwalls]

Gave it a 10. One reason, the Ishida and Yammy fight did not go around the bush, direct, and I liked how Ishida defeated him not through power but brains.

Second, finally, Ichigo went Vizard. And it was cool to know that Espada's as strong as Ulq are forbidden to release there. AND we are goind to see Ulq release next week.
One thing I noticed though. the Vizard mask was able to open it's mouth, never noticed it doing anything like that before.

[Oh1222]

Is it me, or does the eye holes in the new vaizard mask doesn't quite match up to where Ichigo's eyes should be ? :P

[Boss]

Awesome chapter. The action choreography looks insane. I like how Ulquiorra just backflips out of Ichigo's onslaught. The ending scene is intense too. Just dramatic enough haha.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Very good chapter. I actually can't wait to see Ulq's release. And I don't even like Ulq all that much. . .

This fight should be a good one though. Still would love to see Unohana show up and finish Ulq off. . . :/

[Smerpy]

lol what?Unohana?!

Topic,
Chapter was simply great.

Funny how Ulquiorra rushes up into the "Night".

The mask certainly changed alot from what we've last seen.He's becoming more of a pure vizard i guess.It almost looked like he's a hollow.

And thank god they didn't actually go into Yammi against Ishida's fight.

"Bind-" Something to do with the eyes perhaps?

[Captain Abarai]

Too damn long. Response to TheExile.

My view is that while it`s technically true that Hichigo and Zangetsu are part of the same being, it`s not IMO that they can be one being, but rather that they`re reflections of who Ichigo is.

I think the 2 are one. They are just materialized aspects of a culmination of emotions, instinct to kill, pride, drives and urges, dreams wishes whatever... But they are part of one body aka Ichigo. Simular to zooming in with a microscope, you see the molecules split, zoom out, it's one singular thing.

The difference between the two, IMO, is in what they exist to do. Zangetsu is a tool for Ichigo - he`s a weapon and because of that there`s a sort of natural subservience to his relation to Ichigo`s primary psyche. Hichigo isn`t - he wants to break free, he`s sort of like a wild animal, so he`s trying to take control of the body.

I dunno.

It's simular to a *law* of transmutation IMO. You often hear about a game where somebody gets a stupid call against them, they get mad and to the point of cussin out the ref. Then they gather themselves and USE that negative energy and frustration to focus all the more strongly on WINNING.

That's Ichigo's relationship to Zangetsu/Hollow IMO. Sorta like how somebody would say "I don't know what happened...I just lost my head and killed him". That's what the Hollow naturally wants to do, cause thats what it DOES. Ichigo I think has to acknowledge it, accept it, and give it a means which to work. AKA: tearing down enemies that oppose his Nakama.

Re: Ichigo matching up with Ulquiorra, I made a post about this before in this other thread on inconsistency, but Ichigo`s power is pretty consistent. It`s just a matter of how focused he is on breaking his opponent or winning - that`s what allow him to tap into his power. It`s those times that he manages to draw his full power. Our only real exceptions to this have been v. Renji (first time) and the last part of the Grimmjow fight (but the first part of it acts to corroborate the theory). After all, one of Ulquiorra`s first observations about Ichigo was that, although a little schizoid, for a few moments Ichigo actually was stronger than him.

Exactly. I talked about that about 2 chapters ago. The difference between Arrancar and Shinigami. Shinigami are almost inseparably linked to the *heart*, that thing that gives an extra edge in a battle, but can destroy them if they waver

..lose sight of the *reason* and you fail, fall into fear, despair and etc. And this thing is LINKED to their power/potential. Arrancar turn into whiny babies when they approach death. "I will not die by the likes of you" etc. Selfish. Shinigami in more cases than none go that extra step and rematerialize Bankai, stand up when they shouldn't be, find their resolve etc...and to me IMO, this is what makes the backbone of Ichigo.

Ramblin'

[annsaint]

i agree that the articulated jaw on the mask is inconsistent with earlier chapters. i guess it's important to the current story in some way. maybe ichigo and ulquiora will be french kissing in the moonlight.

they must make up safety rules randomly. because when neliel released inside the dome, nothing remotely catastrophic happened.

so little progressed in this chapter. ichigo's hair is looking very calvin and hobbes lately.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Neliel isn't at the level of the current 3rd Espada. . . Apparently the rule was established when the likes of Ulq and the above Espada came to Los Noches.

[bbqchip]

good chapter! i have a feeling somehow that moon in the background in the last page will give ichigo the power boost to win.

[annsaint]

at this rate, ulquiorra will have to take a long distance phone call, further interrupting the battle. do either of them even remember why they are fighting.

[Vic]

Neliel isn't at the level of the current 3rd Espada. . . Apparently the rule was established when the likes of Ulq and the above Espada came to Los Noches.

what does that have to do with the chapter?

[punni]

I like the "new" mask.

In hindsight Ishida's appearance was necessary, but I didnt mind in the first place. And IshidaxOrihime fans can be happy.

[Aidan]

pretty good chapter
that was an impressive cero, and I'm excited to see what Ulquiorra's release will be.

[Slickz0r]

Nice drawings of Ulquiorras eyes in the last frame. Makes him look like THIS IS MADNESS!

Can't wait till we can see Schiffer's release.

[manje10]

Damn that was immense, Kubo tricked alot of the people on here lol i didnt see many people saying the mine was planted underneath the floor and also i didnt see anyone predict what Ishida did to the floors.

Ichigo putting on his mask was awesome looked alot different when he did and we get to see Ulquiorra's release next week. Also its a good setting where the fight is gonna take place, alot more interesting then the constant desert skirmishes.

One question i have to ask when Ichigo and Ulquiorra are outside were they in the daytime desert area or the night area?

[Maghetti123]

I have to say the spoilers didnt make it sound TO interesting, but that chapter was pretty badass.Not a LOT happened but what did was very exiting.Every part of the ichi ULQ battle has been very well drawn even if its been taking to long to get into the serious action.That drawing of ichigo going vizard with his mouth open, pure badassery, probably my favorite drawing of the series.

[Yayap]

Ulqui passed up another chance to kill Ichigo on page 1,very first panel. Has anyone being keeping count of how many times he's not attacked when Ichi isn't looking at him. Must be at least 3 times now. His mask looks really good here. Ulqui very quickly realizes he cant fight V.Ichi inside & goes outside, which will be a cool setting for their battle.

Glad Ishida won quickly, even happier it wasn't through strength. The landmine just detects arrancar reiatsu & detonates. That makes sense now. Yammi is too shocked to pull spirit particles under himself to stop his fall, but it's a long way down, he'll cop on to it before he hits the bottom. He ain't dead.

9/10

[annsaint]

why would he be falling at all? they have been flying/floating on air at will. there is simply no consistency in bleach, which really weakens the story.

[Vergil]

9/10
The new mask looks badass - now it is more round then the previous one.
I am not surprised Ichigo cracked Ulq's sword - just look at his desire to fight!
I also like that their fight wont be at midday but at midnight because Ichi vs Grimm fight was a bit spoiled for me because of the day time.

[fourwalls]

why would he be falling at all? they have been flying/floating on air at will. there is simply no consistency in bleach, which really weakens the story.
probably too shocked to gather his wits, if he has any.

Anyway, I am hearing theories that when Yammy falls at the bottom, either Sado or Renji will take care of him. There goes the proper fight of strength vs strength/

[Paragon]

Really good chapter, zero complaints from me. First time i've given a chapter a 10/10 in awhile. With what Ulquiorra mentioned about the 1-4 Espadas being forbidden from releasing in the dome this comes close to pretty much confirming that Ulquiorra is indeed a Vasto Lorde, looking forward to next weeks chapter.

[annsaint]

i wasn't clear about my criticism. i should have said- until now they didn't need to consciously think about staying afloat. it was just accepted that characters fly. what mr. kubo should have done was draw yammi with XXed out eyes, or any manga equivalent.

[ChaosRogue]

why would he be falling at all? they have been flying/floating on air at will. there is simply no consistency in bleach, which really weakens the story.

Spirits only float/fly in the real world. In the spirit worlds they can't.

[annsaint]

that would make sense except that ichigo was standing still in midair during the grimmjow fight. he also grabbed onto the air to brake.

[fourwalls]

Spirits only float/fly in the real world. In the spirit worlds they can't.
actually they can, remember Ichigo and Grimmjow fight. Also we saw Ichigo in the current manga standing sideways in the pillar like tower.

Edit: annsaint beat me to it.

[pumpkin13]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/12/ - this is bull. NOT happy.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/14/ - correct me if i'm wrong but that looks like a Gran Rey Cero to me. If he can withstand Ulqui's normal cero without the mask it makes sense that he can withstand gran rey with the mask, so this is not so much bull. But majorly pissed off with the sword crack...

This chapter mainly had high points because for mme it hails the coming of uber pwnage with Ulqui's release.

[Paragon]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/12/ - this is bull. NOT happy.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/14/ - correct me if i'm wrong but that looks like a Gran Rey Cero to me. If he can withstand Ulqui's normal cero without the mask it makes sense that he can withstand gran rey with the mask, so this is not so much bull. But majorly pissed off with the sword crack...

This chapter mainly had high points because for mme it hails the coming of uber pwnage with Ulqui's release.

Why did that piss you off? O_o

[airyie]

wow. the art in this chapter looks slightly better than the usual. Has anyone else noticed this?

regardless, the latest chapter gave me a new background for my computer.

Also, it is good to see the interaction between Ishida and Ichigo, sort of reminds the reader that Ichigo's soft side still exists. =)

[He's a Mentalist]

9/10
The new mask looks badass - now it is more round then the previous one.
I am not surprised Ichigo cracked Ulq's sword - just look at his desire to fight!
I also like that their fight wont be at midday but at midnight because Ichi vs Grimm fight was a bit spoiled for me because of the day time.

The mask isn't new, it is the same. KT just showed us how he put it on, which looked different and was pretty nice.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/281/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/17/

As for the chapter, 6/10. This same stuff happened in the Grimmjow fight. I don't see what is new or has improved; the writing style KT seems to be implementing is becoming shoddy. Ichigo putting on the mask and Ishida arriving was pretty great, but seriously, stop using the same tactic for Ichigo every battle. I know he is strong and near Ulquiorra's level of power, but reread the Grimmjow fight and then read the new fight.

[fakeobsession]

Wow i can't wait to read the next episode...
It must definitely has Ulquiorra's release...
IT is about TIME to see it.
a nice one chapter.

[Lnrd]

Ichigo putting on the mask was very cool. Did his mask get more lines? Because it looked like it. Ulq's cero did look like Gran Rey Cero because of the sheer size of it and before he fired it there were little jagged lines like Grimmjow's.

EDIT: After going back to see Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero, Ulq's cero was only a regular cero. It was just huge.

[Paragon]

I believe you have to draw blood first before being able to perform Gran Rey Cero...

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/13/

...so the Cero Ulquiorra performed was just a regular Cero.

[pumpkin13]

true... and actually looking at the both together, the patten on the cero that Ulqui forms isn't exactly the same as the GRC, just similar.

[Lnrd]

But, after going back again to look at Ulq's first cero on Ichigo. It looks different.

Regular Cero (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/340/16/)

"Supposedly" Gran Rey Cero (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/14/)

Notice the difference between how the spiritual energy is drawn to the cero. On the first it is drawn directly into the cero. On the latest one it takes a zigzag path like Grimmjow's Gran Rey.

Now looking at how the energy is drawn to Grimmjow's Cero (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/14/)it looks like Ulq's latest cero.

[pumpkin13]

that's why i initially thought it was a GRC.

And Ulquiorra's not retarded, if anythign he's one of the most perceptive espada yet. He's already identified that Ichigo can now stand up to his regular cero without his mask, and he's now just put his mask on, so why would he fire something that he knows ichigo is going to be able to withstand given his increase in power with the vaizard mask. Surely it would make sense to use the next step up, ie the GRC.

[Paragon]

You have to draw blood before being able to perform a Gran Rey Cero, Ulquiorra's Ceros have always been big in size and powerful.

[Lnrd]

@Pumpkin- So are we suppose to except this as a new cero because it defenitely wasn't a regular one. Because off the links I provided we clearly see there is a difference.

@Paragon- Were does it say that? Just because Grimmjow does it doesn't mean it's required. He could have just been trying to look badass for the camera.

And, did you not look at the links I provided showing the difference between Ulq's ceros.

[NAM1011]

He is going to be a VL so his cero's are going to be incredibly strong compared to anything we seen thus far. This might be why Ulq's regular cero looks like a Grand Rey Cero. Just my thought.

[Lnrd]

He is going to be a VL so his cero's are going to be incredibly strong compared to anything we seen thus far. This might be why Ulq's regular cero looks like a Grand Rey Cero. Just my thought.

We already saw Ulq's regular cero and it didn't look like the current one. Look at my 2nd post on the page.

[pumpkin13]

Fact is, his regular cero DOESNT look like a GRC Nam, his regular cero is the one he fired over his sword at Ichi. This is evidently different.

It could just be the effect that his "step up" to another level had on his cero i guess.

But if he's allowed to use the GRC, then why not? He obviously likes incorporating cero's into his fighting styles unlike many of the other espada which would account for them not using GRCs.

And yeah it's never explicitly said that one has to draw blood for the GRC, grimmjow likes looking badass and that makes him look badass (at least as far as he's concerned).

Alternatively, VLs or at least higher powered arrancar such as Ulqui over Grim, don't require this prerequisite in order to perform GRCs.

[Paragon]

@Pumpkin- So are we suppose to except this as a new cero because it defenitely wasn't a regular one. Because off the links I provided we clearly see there is a difference.

@Paragon- Were does it say that? Just because Grimmjow does it doesn't mean it's required. He could have just been trying to look badass for the camera.

Oh really and why exactly should we believe otherwise? And lol, why would he want to try and look badass for the camera? C'mon man, lets not get all ridiculous.

If you're going by the Cero looking a little distorted before firing as your evidence then what do you call this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/271/08/

A Gran Rey Cero as well? So Kubo decided to make Ulquiorra's Cero look a little different before firing big deal, not to mention they was also no distortion in the atmosphere after Ulquiorra had fired off the Cero, unless were all under the assumption that Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero > Ulquiorra's Gran Rey Cero? O_O' Sorry, but the evidence is heavily pointing towards that Cero not being a Gran Rey.

[Narutokun77]

V.Ichigo's mask looks beastly on Page 10 (BE).

Also, that was a freakin' ginormous cero . . . handled nicely by V.Ichigo nonetheless.

[xPyrox]

Oh really and why exactly should we believe otherwise? And lol, why would he want to try and look badass for the camera? C'mon man, lets not get all ridiculous.

If you're going by the Cero looking a little distorted before firing as your evidence then what do you call this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/271/08/

A Gran Rey Cero as well? So Kubo decided to make Ulquiorra's Cero look a little different before firing big deal, not to mention they was also no distortion in the atmosphere after Ulquiorra had fired off the Cero, unless were all under the assumption that Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero > Ulquiorra's Gran Rey Cero? O_O' Sorry, but the evidence is heavily pointing towards that Cero not being a Gran Rey.

Quoted for everything I was gonna say.

Basically, Kubo probably drew it differently, GRC seems a bit of a forgotten idea.

[Lnrd]

Oh really and why exactly should we believe otherwise? And lol, why would he want to try and look badass for the camera? C'mon man, lets not get all ridiculous.

If you're going by the Cero looking a little distorted before firing as your evidence then what do you call this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/271/08/

A Gran Rey Cero as well? So Kubo decided to make Ulquiorra's Cero look a little different before firing big deal, not to mention they was also no distortion in the atmosphere after Ulquiorra had fired off the Cero, unless were all under the assumption that Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero > Ulquiorra's Gran Rey Cero? O_O' Sorry, but the evidence is heavily pointing towards that Cero not being a Gran Rey.

Good shit. I was going to look for that page but I was in the shower. Your point stands. It was just a big ass cero.

[NAM1011]

Pumpkin, I was just stating the comparison for those people that thing it looks like a GRC.

Lnrd, the two ceros relatively have no difference. Ulq's first cero is four points with the light shooting out str8. The second picture, the current cero shot, has 4 points but the light is being bent. One was inside a building and one is outside. Possibly, Kubo drew it this way just to show the difference. Light will bend more outside because there is other light to get in the way. Inside, however, it has less obstruction because it is darker.

Lastly, GJ's GRC was outside as well. Hence, the light bending the same way as Ulq's second cero. Also, the GRC he shot was followed by a massive wave of light and power as well as the sonic boom that others have discussed. It was not a GRC. It was just a regular cero.

[pumpkin13]

well the one you posted Paragon looks more akin to the cero that Shinji fired with the two horizontal lines at each side.

also, just out of interest, what do you make outof size comparisons?
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/16-17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/15/

Ulquiorra's looks a little bigger, baring in mind that the figure of him is what like twice as small as the figure of GJ firing his.

Quoted for everything I was gonna say.

Basically, Kubo probably drew it differently, GRC seems a bit of a forgotten idea.

It wouldn't be the first time KTs been inconsistant. That IS the kinda thing i don't get, if espada are allowed to use it, then why don't they use it more often? I doubt zaraki would have been able to palm off a GRC from Noitra the same way he did his regular cero.

[Paragon]

Ulquiorra > Grimmjow and is potentially a Vasto Lorde. So its no surprise that he can conjure up Ceros greater(in size) than Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero or equal in size.

[punni]

well the one you posted Paragon looks more akin to the cero that Shinji fired with the two horizontal lines at each side.

also, just out of interest, what do you make outof size comparisons?
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/280/16-17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/15/

Ulquiorra's looks a little bigger, baring in mind that the figure of him is what like twice as small as the figure of GJ firing his.



It wouldn't be the first time KTs been inconsistant. That IS the kinda thing i don't get, if espada are allowed to use it, then why don't they use it more often? I doubt zaraki would have been able to palm off a GRC from Noitra the same way he did his regular cero.


LOL, you quoted exactly the two pages that show for fact that Ulq's recent cero was not a GRC. As you can clearly see there are no crowns around Ulq's.

And I dont see how Ichigo cutting thru Ulq's zan is BS. Ulq was clearly characterized as hand-to-hand fighter. So his zan naturally isnt much harder than his skin.

[Ryuksgelus]

It wouldn't be the first time KTs been inconsistant. That IS the kinda thing i don't get, if espada are allowed to use it, then why don't they use it more often? I doubt zaraki would have been able to palm off a GRC from Noitra the same way he did his regular cero.



Because Kubo likes to conveniently have arrancar not use abilities you would think would be common sense to use in certain situatio and suddenly give the good guys whatever tool, skill-set, or ability they need for a situation(Byakuya's clone jutsu, Ishida's mine, Zaraki, Kira 4th squad member, Rukia's 3rd dance, Hinamori's kidou net, Mayuri surveillance bacteria, etc.). Noitora didn't use Gran Ray or fly for the same reason Yammi doesn't just float to stop himself from falling.

[punni]

Yammi fell for the same reason Matsumoto fell, or Hitsu fell after Luppi crushed him. It really is common sense.

[Chaiba-Sama]

holy
fucking
shit

ulq is gonna fuck ichigo up

the whole thing with yammy and ishida was lame though

[NaClO]

This chapter was pretty good and I expect that next week’s chapter should be great. It appears that Ichigo's Vaizard Powers have evolved. I wonder how much more powerful Ichigo is, boy I am looking forward to this fight.

[Ryuksgelus]

So Yammi's so injured he can't stop himself from falling halfway down the huge tower and float back upwards.


Hits fell because he was struck from all angles by tentacles and while the exact example isn't coming to mind, Matsumoto was likely struck suddenly too. Yammi was hanging on for a while before he falls, enough time to gain his composure and do something that should come naturally to arrancar(except when Kubo doesn't want them to use such abilities). A DBZ character or Superman(injured or not) hanging onto a ledge to prevent themselves from falling would be universally seen as the dumbest shit in the world.


Why such a pointless plot device to get rid of Yammi so soon? A random invention that apparently does more damage than Ishida's arrows, Hit's Shikai, and even Urahara' Shikai is given to Ishida, because obviously Mayuri knew a landmine would come in handy? Why not just not show Yammi at all if you're not going to give him proper screen time. Just more wasted page space to further drag out all these fights.

[plotkaislayer]

So Yammi's so injured he can't stop himself from falling halfway down the huge tower and float back upwards.


Hits fell because he was struck from all angles by tentacles and while the exact examples isn't coming to mind, Matsumoto was likely struck suddenly too. Yammi was hanging on for a while before he falls, enough time to gain his composure and do something that should come naturally to arrancar(except when Kubo doesn't want them to use such abilities).


Why such a pointless plot device to get rid of Yammi so soon? A random invention that apparently does more damage than Ishida's arrows, Hit's Shikai, and even Urahara Shikai. Why not just not show Yammi at all if you're not going to give him proper screen time. Just more wasted page space to further drag out all these fights.

No, it's that Yammi's injuries have flustered and angered him. Since he's just a meatbag, he doesn't have the presence of mind or the reflexes to handle the attack. A few things we have to remember: although it's taken us two weeks to read the obsess over the details, what KT shows with Ishida and Yammi is an ambush--taking seconds to complete.

It's not some lame plot device. Of course Ishida would ambush Yammi. The ambush favors speed, intelligence, preparation, and reflexes; and those are obviously where Ishida is strong. Would you rather Ishida announce his presence before Yammi then go charging head-on at the #10 with Quincy-style slap-fighting techinques? Honestly...

As for the invention, I lamely attempted to explain that it would better fit Urahara's persona to develop something like an anti-Arrancar mine. And I was super-wrong because I'm apparently blind and missed the Mayuri panel at the end of 343. Anyway, the mine doesn't seem that random to me. Mayuri is in charge the Tech operations in SS, right? Do you think he'd bring some tech with him to fight Arrancar? Do you think that the tech he brings might be better attuned to fight Arrancar than other enemies?

I mean, I don't see anyone complaining about Nemu being filled with diseases or Mayuri carrying around injectable salves to heal (and possible do other things!) the wounded. It's just THIS device people dislike, and I'm thinking it's because Yammi is losing to Ishida. Those who think Yammi would win against Ishida don't like to see their positions disproved.

But why does anyone think Yammi is done? The only thing that surprised me in this chapter was that Yammi hadn't gotten over the surprise, gotten pissed, released, and created a whole new set of problems for Ishida. That's because KT apparently wanted to separate the two battles, so he created the need for Ulq. to escape and release (the sword-breakage, signifying the time for Ulq. to stop playing around and "take out the trash" and the rule against Quatros releasing indoors) and Yammi to get on the ground (where he's strongest) to start owning up.

Yeah, those predictions about Renji and Chad are probably right. When Yammi releases, it's definitely going to be 3 on 1. Dodge all your dad's arrows and beat an Espada? Somehow, I doubt it. Plus, Chad and Renji beating up hollows is a waste of great characters (and my favorite, Chad!) Great chapter 9/10.

[Slickz0r]

Ichigo "released" first, so going by bleach standards he will get ---> raped. I just hope he can Sayian up and kill Ulquiorra himself, it will be a major let down if Unohana or some other captain intervenes.

[Paragon]

Ichigo "released" first, so going by bleach standards he will get ---> raped. I just hope he can Sayian up and kill Ulquiorra himself, it will be a major let down if Unohana or some other captain intervenes.

He went Vizard first against Grimmjow as well and won, so that theory fails unfortunately. If anything going by Bleach standards he'd win because he faced Ulquiorra before and lost and now in the second fight he'd win, thats usually the pattern.

I agree about the last part though, i'd be majorly pissed if Unohana or any other Captain intervenes. It'd just shit all over the Ulquiorra vs Ichigo rivalry if she stepped in and suddenly wtfpwned Ulquiorra.

[dynamo]

When I first read the spoilers, I thought that we'd have another rather "talk" based chapter, but that was a brilliant chapter. Roll on Ichigo vs Ulq release! Although imo KT will switch it back to another fight(s) next chapter.

[punni]

Ichigo "released" first, so going by bleach standards he will get ---> raped. I just hope he can Sayian up and kill Ulquiorra himself, it will be a major let down if Unohana or some other captain intervenes.

....



not
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-281-page-4.html

[Yadomaru]

Pretty awesome chapter IMO. Can't wait to see what Ulquiorra's release looks like.

[gorgonzola]

Nice chapter. Almost as good as the revealing of the 3 numbers.

[Tracer]

yeah realy great chapter,

hope they gonna finish this fight first! Realy wanna see Ulquirra´s released form! If he is a VL, then Ichigo could better run away as fast as he can lol.

[Amira]

Haha. I called it. So many ppl were like "How did Ishida know!?"

Because Yammy's loud as fuck, that's how.

Love how everyone was soooo skeptical about how he got that mine in there, and then the explanation was so easy to figure out. This is why I don't complain when things don't make perfect sense. Maybe you guys have learned a lesson. No? Oh well, I tried.

[manymanymomok]

pretty nice build up of suspense, love the end.

I was very much surprised at Ichigo's apparent increase in strength after he put on his mask however. He managed to start to cut Ulquiorra's sword? That was something I'm somewhat confused about. But it seems like its one of the few times he is shown with the hollow mask teeth seperate with his mouth opening. The other time I can recall that happening was when he cut GJ's cero in half. Seems like its some sign of better sync with his hollow side or something.

[Captain Abarai]

*response to Tracer*

If he's a Vasto Lorde, then Ichigo gonna have to summon ALL of his power. Cause remember the goal of this is for him to fight the final antagonist, so naturally he must grow above the *lower levels* of the most elite of fighters.

Kubo definitely got it set up for an epic fight.

[NigaDem]

hmmm is it just me, but i think ichigo was able to open his mouth while wearing the hollow mask....something big about to happen to him

[Kairen]

Yes, he did open his mouth. I think it's a strong sign that his movements are tied with the Hollow. What I mean by that is Ichigo is gaining more and more control of his Hollow as he continues to battle, not to mention the power burst from the mask is greater now than it was against Grimmjow. He did cast aside Ulquiorra's Cero like it was nothing. Before, Ichigo used up all his power just to manage that. This is gonna be a really hot fight.

And lol @ Yami. Ishida pwnd him like a little child.

[Amira]

Kinda like how Kurosaki is cutting swords. Now he's in Urahara's position and Ulquiorra is in Kurosaki's position.

I hope he says something epic like Urahara did. "Your sword is weak, it's just a bag of fluff conveniently in the shape of a sword." xD

[Kairen]

He missed his chance to say that earlier, but here's to hoping he'll say that after Ulquiorra releases! That would be even more epic!

[Slickz0r]

....



not
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-281-page-4.html

Ye I forgot. I applies to everyone but Ichigo.

[dynamo]

Interesting point, about Ichigo being able to open his mouth while bearing the mask... I think the more he is utilizing the hollow/mask, the more "in-touch" he is getting with his hollow. If any of you read or watch D. Gray Man, you know how Innocence with a high synchronization rate is Parasitic? I think something similar may be happening here with Ichigo's synchronization with his hollow.

[Amata]

This chapter was pretty cool, I gave it an eight. When Ichigo puts on his mask is pretty sweet, the best part of the chapter next to Ulquiorra's release command.

The word "Bind" makes me think his release could be a snake...

I can't wait till next week... :tongue:

[manymanymomok]

Apparently it seems to me numbers 1-4 are restricted from releasing within the domes of las noches because their releases alone probably unleash alot of destructive power. Just like how one of halibel's fraccion mentioned gran ray cero should not have been used within Las Noches...

If their releases alone are so powerful/destructive, its quite hard to imagine the extent of the power of 1-4.

[pumpkin13]

yeah... i was thinking that possibly... bind... snake... snake/serpent/dragon.... Yamata no Orochi? Green lines under eyes... Schiffer-> sailor, dragons in Japanese mythology are 99% of the time water related creatures. Plus his helmet kinda looks like it could be a dragon-esque crest and the platelets down the back of it a remeniscent of scales.

That's not to say that his release will be dehumanised and that of a dragon... just that it will be human with elements that hint of a serpentine nature/quality.

[He's a Mentalist]

pretty nice build up of suspense, love the end.

I was very much surprised at Ichigo's apparent increase in strength after he put on his mask however. He managed to start to cut Ulquiorra's sword? That was something I'm somewhat confused about. But it seems like its one of the few times he is shown with the hollow mask teeth seperate with his mouth opening. The other time I can recall that happening was when he cut GJ's cero in half. Seems like its some sign of better sync with his hollow side or something.

That and when he was talking to Grimmjow.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/231/13/

Just a newer drawing expounding upon the earlier iterations. As it seems, Ichigo gets stronger and becomes more in sync with his vizard powers every time he uses the mask and fights with it. I still don't like that the same fight scenes are being repeated but with a different enemy. IT gets tiring after a while. Oh wait! I forgot that Ichigo's power-up was nothing because he didn't release that much energy when going vizard, whereas Ulquiorra literally had to leave the dome. The difference in power between Ulquiorra and Ichigo is going to be great in my opinion! IN the next chapter I hope Ichigo isn't able to fight on par with Ulquiorra at all and gets beaten to a pulp. I want a captain to intervene and fight Ulquiorra honestly

[octocheese]

@Pumpkin: A chinese serpentine dragon perhaps?
Re: chapter. I read it and my grin got bigger each page I read. Finally! 10/10 from me. Good episode, and damn find cliff hanger!

[pumpkin13]

Nah I don't think his teeth/jaw really look open there...

If you compare that pciture from the link above with this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/344/10-11/

you can see the GJ instance one looks far more 2D and literally like a mask just stuck over his face, whereas the Ulqui one, it has a jaw bone going back and extends around the side of his face etc looks like its actually melded INTO the structure of his head, not just sitting in front of his face.

[He's a Mentalist]

The same difference between those two pics are in the latest chapter Ichigo is screaming, and in the one I posted he is merely talking in a soft tone to Grimmjow. This is what it looks like when he is not talking :

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/231/12/

Besides, the latest chapter is a side angle picture of Ichigo screaming, not talking.

[pumpkin13]

personally i see little difference between your first and second posts... like a cm of a difference.

as for the front on and side angled profiles, i dunno about you but i can see wha that mask looks like in the GJ one from the side, certainly with the way its drawn there. Maybe its a minds eye visual creative artist thing... but it definately looks more melded into his face as opposed to sitting in front of it in the more recent chapters.

The other alternative is that Kubo's designs/ style is evolving.

[He's a Mentalist]

I agree with the last part of the post. The teeth in the latest chapter on his mask are seemingly forming into his own teeth which adds some more depth in my opinion. The teeth in the chapter I posted are just sharp and long.

[chinaman1472]

Not half bad. I was hoping it was going to be more hollowification than just the mask when he started to get all uppity about it.

[punni]

Oh wait! I forgot that Ichigo's power-up was nothing because he didn't release that much energy when going vizard, whereas Ulquiorra literally had to leave the dome. The difference in power between Ulquiorra and Ichigo is going to be great in my opinion! IN the next chapter I hope Ichigo isn't able to fight on par with Ulquiorra at all and gets beaten to a pulp. I want a captain to intervene and fight Ulquiorra honestly

not so fast, slow down and think. Ulq left the dome because it is Aizen's rule, it is as simply as that. Anything beyond that is pure conjecture. You can hardly use Aizen's arbitrary rule to compare Vizard mask and resurrecion of Ichigo and Ulq.

[pumpkin13]

yeah but WHY did aizen enforce that rule? I can think of two reasons.

1. As a preventative measure to stop the four most powerful espada from releasing in his presence and thus posing a threat to his sovereignity over Las Noches. If this is so then he isn't as powerful as we think... correction, everybody else thinks.

2. They release so much energy it poses a damage to the structural integrity of the building of the palace.

Either way works for me.

[Yayap]

Re. the whole open mouth mask thing:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/232/17/
it's not the clearest picture, but the lack of a bottom row of teeth means he has opened the jaws wide. Look at the bottom left panel. This is from the second GJ fight. Regardless, it looks extra cool in 344. There's actually room for his nose too.

I just can't stop rereading this chapter. We ought to be able to glean a fair bit if information from next weeks chapter. Given the usual "i'll stand still for a minute & talk while you admire my released form" thing the arrancar have going for them, there'll be lots to learn. Though I wouldn't complain if they just jumped straight into it.

[Amira]

I don't see why his mask being open is such a big deal, aside from that spread looking completely bad ass.

I mean, it's been open before when he's shouting, it's just open even further now.

Check out this one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/283/03/

[TW501]

I liked this chapter, though I was surprised that Yammy went down so quickly. I sort of doubt that we've seen the last of him. It looks like we'll see Ulquiorra's resurreccion soon. Hopefully they don't make it too weird or crazy, as with most other resureccions.

[vladdie]

Well we have waited long enough to see Ulquoirra's release and for the fight to actually start (ichigo's hollowfication etc.) so im just glad we have finally gotten so close. soon as ichigo made his move i said to myself now Ulquo. is going to have to step it up a notch as well.
so like everyone I cannot wait to see how his relese affects the battle. wonder if its defenseive at all by the word "lock" :huh:

one can only speculate so far.

but it sucked that so much was talking this chapter :cry:

oh and WoW nice cerro, not that it did any good....:tongue:

[Boss]

So there are a couple reasons Ichigo will/should lose this fight.

1. Following the structure KT has for Ichigo fights, 1st try FAIL, 2cnd try kind of FAIL gets saved by someone, 3rd try WIN. This is his second actual fight with Ulquiorra.

2. As stated above, Ulquiorra needed to leave the dome to release. That had to be for a reason. Ichigo going Vaizard had no effect on the dome whatsoever.

3. I don't care what anyone says about "focus", Ichigo did not power up 2 espada levels in an hour or two. NO FUCKING WAY.

[smacharia8]

I don't see why his mask being open is such a big deal, aside from that spread looking completely bad ass.

I mean, it's been open before when he's shouting, it's just open even further now.

Check out this one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/283/03/That's the "teeth" on his mask.

I wonder how Zaraki's doing. Not only has Ichigo hogged the good fights once again, but now he's left with a half-dead Grimmjow and an extra kid to take around with him...at least Yachiru is now going to have Nell to play with as they hang on Zaraki's back while he looks for the action.

Speaking of Grimmjow, do you think he'll be healed? He never trully died, and has more potential to be brought back than the likes of Szayel and Noitora.



I don't see why people are complaining about too much talking in this chapter. First half was Ishida owning Yami then conversing with Ichigo, and the rest was action. It's rather well balanced out if you ask me.

[mirandaadria]

Screw the haters. I was squealing with delight the whole time.

[bbqchip]

cero fire from the finger

GRC fire from the palm

[Apple84]

banzaiiiiii! finally Ulquiorraaa my mann is soon to release his hidden moves! kyahahhaah! the best of the best! on top of that...ishida.hahaah think he's all that show it all off just bcuz he shot at yammy's down below!

[Captain Abarai]

I don't see why people are complaining about too much talking in this chapter. First half was Ishida owning Yami then conversing with Ichigo, and the rest was action. It's rather well balanced out if you ask me.


Exactly.

They want to go back to Omeada makin faces. Big ass useless panels chock full of HUH?!?!?!

Thats the good stuff. Eh, Kubo? :amused:

[bbqchip]

no1 else think the last page is a sign of ichigo power up? ichigo looking up at ulq and behind ulq is the moon.

[UnadvisedGoose]

So there are a couple reasons Ichigo will/should lose this fight.

1. Following the structure KT has for Ichigo fights, 1st try FAIL, 2cnd try kind of FAIL gets saved by someone, 3rd try WIN. This is his second actual fight with Ulquiorra.

2. As stated above, Ulquiorra needed to leave the dome to release. That had to be for a reason. Ichigo going Vaizard had no effect on the dome whatsoever.

3. I don't care what anyone says about "focus", Ichigo did not power up 2 espada levels in an hour or two. NO FUCKING WAY.

QFT. 100% agree. Stole the words from my mouth. . er. . keyboard. :odd:

[Intense]

cero fire from the finger

GRC fire from the palm

Nnoitra fired his from the mouth.

[Mindwrack]

Excellent Chapter.

I hope Ichigo loses miserably, or if he doesn't, that someone a lot more powerful comes and saves him.

If Uliquiorra dies, he better die epically.

[Paragon]

If anyone thinks Yammy is gone, i'd say think again. Do you honestly believe that Kubo would have Yammy disposed off without having him release? Unlikely in my opinion, he'd probably reappear at a later stage...again.

[pumpkin13]

no1 else think the last page is a sign of ichigo power up? ichigo looking up at ulq and behind ulq is the moon.

aesthetic design, nothing more i think. Noitra had a freakin crescent moon on his head.

[Amira]

That's the "teeth" on his mask.

Does that really matter? It's still open, the only difference is the degree of "openess".

@Paragon: I know, right. Hopefully this sets up for Sado to come in and fight Yammy head on.

[VanquishedAngel]

Screw the haters. I was squealing with delight the whole time.

I love it.. That says everything right there. :bigsmile:

To the haters:

1.) Yammi is falling b/c he just got the crap blown out of him and he's stunned! He'll fly back up when he figures out where he is ... "in the basement".. :huh: LoL

2.) Ulqui's sword cracked b/c Ichigo is focused and he's has always been capable of powering up past Ulqui's level. Remember the first time that they met Ulqui he even said that Ichigo's levels would surpass his in one instant and then in the next they would be "trash" levels... Enough said about, sword's cracking and the like.

3.) Not being permitted to release "under the dome" can't mean that Aizen is weak. Think about it. If the combined power of their release could overwhelm him then what would stop them from revolting. He has to be able to enforce the injuntion somehow.

4.) The injunction is probably more of a structural concern.

5.) The teeth on the mask is great.. b/c it seems as if he's becoming more in touch with his Hollow.

[octocheese]

If anyone thinks Yammy is gone, i'd say think again. Do you honestly believe that Kubo would have Yammy disposed off without having him release? Unlikely in my opinion, he'd probably reappear at a later stage...again.

Agreed. He only fell down a big hole. If that kills him KT's lost it.

[Captain Abarai]

If anyone thinks Yammy is gone, i'd say think again. Do you honestly believe that Kubo would have Yammy disposed off without having him release? Unlikely in my opinion, he'd probably reappear at a later stage...again.

Exactly. What Kubo did was buy time. He opened up the playing field by gettin rid of them 2 hoes, reintroduced Yammi, and Ishida, cleared up the ruckus in that tight space, Hime's safe, Ishida finally has that smug savvy back, and Yammi is ready for The Wrath... and they'd naturally be at tthe bottom of the Tower, or elsewhere since the structure of the building is now compromised...

Fighting on the ground will naturally open things up for Sado to appear if I may project something further. I can't even BEGIN to comprehend how some think Yammi died from this. Just good plot progression tis all.

[Amira]

I love it.. That says everything right there. :bigsmile:

To the haters:

1.) Yammi is falling b/c he just got the crap blown out of him and he's stunned! He'll fly back up when he figures out where he is ... "in the basement".. :huh: LoL

2.) Ulqui's sword cracked b/c Ichigo is focused and he's has always been capable of powering up past Ulqui's level. Remember the first time that they met Ulqui he even said that Ichigo's levels would surpass his in one instant and then in the next they would be "trash" levels... Enough said about, sword's cracking and the like.

3.) Not being permitted to release "under the dome" can't mean that Aizen is weak. Think about it. If the combined power of their release could overwhelm him then what would stop them from revolting. He has to be able to enforce the injuntion somehow.

4.) The injunction is probably more of a structural concern.

QFT. And thank you. No one else seems to remember Ulquiorra blatantly stating that Kurosaki's reiatsu overpowered his at it's highest point.

[VanquishedAngel]

QFT. And thank you. No one else seems to remember Ulquiorra blatantly staing that Kurosaki's reiatsu overpowered his at it's highest point.

Thank you... I was wondering if that was even mentioned. For heavens sake people just want to find a reason to bitch about everything/anything! ...

And those bitching about KT's writing! ... Tell me you don't want to see Ulqui's release? ... Jeesh.. "Stop Yon Bitching!!!"... :amused:

[Amira]

So there are a couple reasons Ichigo will/should lose this fight.

1. Following the structure KT has for Ichigo fights, 1st try FAIL, 2cnd try kind of FAIL gets saved by someone, 3rd try WIN. This is his second actual fight with Ulquiorra.

2. As stated above, Ulquiorra needed to leave the dome to release. That had to be for a reason. Ichigo going Vaizard had no effect on the dome whatsoever.

3. I don't care what anyone says about "focus", Ichigo did not power up 2 espada levels in an hour or two. NO FUCKING WAY.
Kurosaki fought Abarai twice and only fought Byakuya, Zaraki, Ikkaku, and Dordonii once.

[Mushiro]

Pretty epic chapter. Ichigo's Vizard form is apparently far more powerful than Ulquiorra can handle in his sealed state. I thought that if Ichigo pulled out his mask before Ulquiorra released, that would be a sign of weakness, but instead he used his new GT thrust technique to force Ulquiorra to resurrect. I was kind of hoping that technique would be strong enough to cut right through Ulq's Zanpakuto. With his Zanpakuto damaged so badly, he has no choice but to resurrect now. Another shot like that would cut it clean in half (and maybe Ulquiorra too). I'm very surprised that it was Ichigo that forced this fight get more serious. I thought for sure Ulquiorra would try to provoke Ichigo to pull out his mask, but instead it was the other way around.

I can't wait for next week now. I'm dying to see Ulquiorra's resurrecion, his original form, and his capabilities in that form. Awesome chapter, slow as usual. However that's how KT roles.

[McFlyan]

This was a great chapter. I can't wait for next week's!

[darkhole]

Spoiler. Ulquiorra's Release:

http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/frieza-final-form-in-dragon-ball-z-burst-limit.jpg

[Thordayo]

I agree with most of what has been said about this chapter's quality. I think it's evident that Kubo Tite has been wanting to draw this fight for a while and it seems to me that Ulquiorra is a favorite of his to put on paper. Some people mentioned the increased detail of the drawings and the dialogue/story is back to where it should be: Suspenseful, Elitist, Powerful. Definite 10 from me - I would prefer to read a carefully choreographed fight that lasts for 10 weeks - not saying that this will. The fights between some of the Fraccion and Luitenants seemed almost like filler to me. I think this fight will definitely be the pinnacle so far in the series.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Kurosaki fought Abarai twice and only fought Byakuya, Zaraki, Ikkaku, and Dordonii once.

Abarai wasn't a major antagonist of an arc. Neither was Zaraki, Ikkaku, or Dordonii. The majors were Byakuya(for SS arc), and GJ (for the Arrancar/HM arc). And he did fight Byakuya thrice. Once when Byakuya RAPED him in the beginning, second when they had a small encounter on the bridge, and third on Sokyoku Hill.