Ptolemarios II(GN field disabled) vs. Archangel and Eternal

[justin43]

Scernario:

Battle takes place in space by an asteroid field.. Sumeragi Lee Noreiga is the captain of Ptolemarios II, which have all of its capabilities except for the GN field. The gundams are in the ship and can only be use to power trans-am for 3 minutes. Archangel and Eternal are commanded by their captains and have all of their capabilities. Who wins?

[bloodied cypher]

What's the yield on those positron blasters?

[Yadomaru]

Totally unknown, as is the yield of every weapon on all three ships. Matter of fact, in the Ptolemy's case, we don't even know how many weapons it has.

This makes it an extremely difficult match to decide for certain because we have no clear idea as to the Ptolemaois's weapons beyond the fact it has a ton of beam guns and missile tubes - but we have no clear idea how many. Whereas we know precisely how many guns and missile tubes each of the other ships has.

The Eternal is so hopelessly outgunned by the Ptolemaios II that in a ship-to-ship battle, it'll lose, guaranteed. So the only serious threat to the Ptolemy is the Archangel. And, as much more competent as Sumeragi has IMO shown herself to be than Murrue Ramius, the kind of firepower the Archangel has is nothing to sneeze at. BUT, there is Trans-Am, in which the Ptolemaios is far, far faster and more maneuverable than any space battleship should be.
The Eternal's gonna get wasted for sure, but between the Archangel and the Ptolemaios II, it really could go either way. Can't say for sure until we have a better handle on the Ptolemy's armament.

[Icehaku]

Sumeragi prbly has some sort of backup plan that could totally humiliate the archangel.
I don't know what kind of plan, but I do know that with Trans-am, there is no way the Archangel could use its Lohengrins since they only point in one direction. The battle would probably be Ptolemarios evading the shots of the Archangel and bombarding it, but the Archangel is extremely durable and could withstand some minutes of bombardment by beams and missles. The Ptolemarios looks to be EXTREMELY fragile, so one Gottfried shot could cripple it. In the end, it comes down to the Ptolemarios' dodging skills. With Sumeragi at the head, and the Archangel unable to avoid the Minerva's and the Dominion's Lohengrin blasts, I'm pretty sure the Ptolemarios could win.

[Meta]

Why was Ptolemaios extremely fragile?Because it was the only ship to have actually displayed internal damage?
I think that the Trans-Am system will give the edge to Ptolemaios,plus the excellent tactician,Sumeragi.

[Gekigangar]

I think the Arch Angel will take this battle.

It's laminated coating and heavy armor is able to take most of what the Ptolemarios II can dish out. Plus the Igelstellung should be able to take out most of the GN Missiles.

Without the GN Field, the Ptolemarios II is pretty much naked. So the Sledgehammers, Gottfries, Valiants will punch holes through it.

What the Trans-Am will do for the Ptolemarios II is to give it great speed. Maneuverability, not so much. Even if it has great speed, it will not be able to outrun the Gottfries and the Valiants.

So in a straight on 1 to 1 shooting match, the Arch Angel will stomp the Ptolemarios II.

However, since there are a lot of people who will always be fans of the latest and greatest, they will of course want give the Ptolemarios II the ability to win.

They will give reasons like :

1)GN Particles will somehow blind the Archangel. So the Archangel cannot see what it is shooting at.

2)Ptolemarios II with the No Fallacy limit can Trans-Am and make all its weapons super weapons that can destroy anything.

3)Sumeragi is like Batman. With Prep time, she can take on everything and anything.

[Icehaku]

someone obviously is pro-CE now....
Honestly, laminate armor is only useful against CE beams. It never said that it could resist GN particles anywhere, did it? And it is never a 1 to 1 shooting match. I would be surprised if the Archangel could even lock on to the Ptolemarios. Ptolemarios in Trans-am was able to achieve escape velocity and exit the atmosphere. Gottfried's and Valiants will hardly be able to track that thing and Igellstung fire will hardly scratch the Ptolemarios. Remember, at the last episode or two, the ship was kamikazed by mobile suits, but was able to withstand the first couple without any damage.

Besides, the Ptolemarios is much more manueverable and can get under the Archangel. The Archangel, if I recall, can't bear its stronger weapons to any foes under it. Leaving the Ptolemarios free to blast its underside which I assume has lower armor--applying the logic that all ships in this age and vehicles have weaker flank and under armor

[Gekigangar]

someone obviously is pro-CE now....


I could also say that someone is obviously pro AD...


Honestly, laminate armor is only useful against CE beams. It never said that it could resist GN particles anywhere, did it?

What the Laminate Armor does is to spread the energy transferred from beams across a large area. That is how energy weapons do damage, by concentrating energy to a single spot. So no matter what kind of energy weapon it is, it is still an energy weapon.

Unless you are telling me that GN particles are not energy based?


And it is never a 1 to 1 shooting match.

That is how battleship combat without MS support is. A 1 to 1 shooting match.


I would be surprised if the Archangel could even lock on to the Ptolemarios. Ptolemarios in Trans-am was able to achieve escape velocity and exit the atmosphere.

Yes, it has great speed. So it can run away fast. That is not going to win the battle since Trans-Am has the time limit.

Gottfried's and Valiants will hardly be able to track that thing and Igellstung fire will hardly scratch the Ptolemarios.

Due to the GN Particle thing I mentioned in my previous post? You do know that the Archangel Guns can be manually targeted. Like in the first few episodes of Gundam SEED when Mwu requested manual targeting of the Guns to be handed over to him. If the Gottfries can be manually targeted to hit something small and mobile like a GINN, it should have no problems with a large target like a battleship.

So the crew can just fire at where the Ptolemarios II flight path will take it. Easy.


Remember, at the last episode or two, the ship was kamikazed by mobile suits, but was able to withstand the first couple without any damage.

Thanks to the GN Field slowing them down, the damage they would do due to ramming is reduced. But since here we do not have the GN Field enabled, that point is moot.


Besides, the Ptolemarios is much more manueverable and can get under the Archangel. The Archangel, if I recall, can't bear its stronger weapons to any foes under it.

I give you the Valiants Guns. You know, the linear guns that can rotate that crippled the Minerva?

Plus the AA is great at executing barrel rolls. I think it's 1 of their favorite moves cuz it looks kool.


Leaving the Ptolemarios free to blast its underside which I assume has lower armor--applying the logic that all ships in this age and vehicles have weaker flank and under armor

Your logic is a bit weird. These are spaceships. Not Tanks. Spaceships fight in space and are thus vulnerable to every direction. So thus, they are heavily armored all over. Except for the bridge and the back thrusters.