Dome of Las Noches

[RYUJINN-JACK]

Hi everyone.

I was just questioning the Dome Ulquiorra broke through.

I remember it being stated that it was Aizen who created the illusion of it looking like daytime within the dome.

if this is true, does that mean that all of our former 'ryokas' are all under Kyoka Suigetsu's influence?

[Wras]

The dome was created for Aizen to keep watch on everything, Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't come into play. Also, the main crew was never introduced to the ritual for the zanpakuto, so they cannot fall under the 'influence' of it either way.

[VanquishedAngel]

I don't think that is the case. I think that it was just an illusion ... but not one created by Aizen's zan..

[Rufix]

As above, Kyouka Suigetsu is out of game, maybe it's some sort of kidou.

[RYUJINN-JACK]

heres the panel
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/263/17/

It definatly an illusion.. but your right that it doesnt suggest he made it with his zanpak.

hmm..

[Yadomaru]

It's an illusion - that doesn't mean it's Kyoka Suigetsu. Aizen's not the only one who can cast illusions, and KS is not the only means to do so.

An example: You remember that recently-animated scene in TBTP when Aizen was invisible (right up until Shinji tore through the illusion)

Hinamori was able to make herself invisible in the manga similarly to Aizen in TBTP. That's a form of illusion, and clearly it does not involve KS, otherwise Hinamori could not have done it.

[RYUJINN-JACK]

Thats not true. Hinomori was only able to conceal her reaitsu w/ use of demon arts.

During TBTP, there is no way of knowing for sure that what Aizen used to make himself invisible was Kidou. But because everyone in S.S. knew Aizen's shikai created visual illusions (they didnt know was the complete hypnosis though)... it's actually more likely he would just use his shikai being that it would be more potent.

Anyway, just looking further into the what makes the Dome the way it is, apparently Espada 9 was only lying about the illusion being for keeping an eye.

[fifenfk]

I agree with the other guys that the dome is not a creation of kyoka suigetsu as he because its power is to create an illusion to anyone who sees it then that would mean the espada are all under hypnosis and that would just be wack.

[xPyrox]

I think its more likely that all the espada had a bonding session whilst wearing overalls and painting the roof of Los Noches blue with white clouds.

[NAM1011]

Its not his zanpaktou. He just created it possibly using Urahara like technology. Idk it reminded me of Urahara's basement as well as the Vaizard's hideout sky.

Also, this really did not need a thread. You could have just discussed this in the chapter thread.

[paradise_found]

I think its more likely that all the espada had a bonding session whilst wearing overalls and painting the roof of Los Noches blue with white clouds.

hahaha. aizen tricked em all like tom sawyer.

"hey, guys. you wanna paint this ceiling? it's really fun."

[Mushiro]

Its not his zanpaktou. He just created it possibly using Urahara like technology. Idk it reminded me of Urahara's basement as well as the Vaizard's hideout sky.



My thoughts exactly. Obviously there is some sort of technology/ kido that creates an atmosphere or the illusion of one.

As for the whole "Aizen sees everything under the dome of Las Noches" thing. I actually think that was a lie. It was Aaroniero's way of luring Rukia out of the light, because he was unable to take on other forms while in the light. If Aizen wanted to see something, he would just use the same kido Tousen used when spying on Ichigo and Uryuu when they were wandering the halls of Las Noches.

[UlquiorraKuchiki]

The ceiling has some form of illusion, whether it be kidou based or whatever, no biggy. Who knows it may just be painted on lol

[paradise_found]

the important thing to consider now is that most of it is MISSING.

[plotkaislayer]

The illusion is the sky on the inside of the dome, not the dome itself. Also, Aizen's shikai seems more suited for impersonating people than creating false sunlight. And a lot of the times, Aizen has had to transform his zanpaktuo into those impersonations, as he did with faking his own death. It may not always be a requirement (such as with the fake VC with Shinji), but Aizen admits that the illusion was actually quite weak. Had Shinji bothered to try to see through it, he would have.

Maybe because Aizen is superawesomevilliansforever now, he can throw away reiatsu on a ceiling after heading to the Soul Society and doesn't require sacrificing his Zan to do it. But I somehow doubt it. I mean, Aizen put restrictions on the dome to protect it, which means that those abilities are more powerful than Aizen's Zanpaktuo. Were that the case, then the Espada would likely not fear Aizen as much.

@Paradise:

As a lit. guy, what do you think of the following reading of the dome: The false sunlight represents the false hope for the Espada finding relief to their suffering and to the Nakama for saving their friends. Ulq. blowing through the sunlight reveals the nighttime in the hollow soul and reveals the hopelessness for those sealed away in Las Noches :D

[Yayap]

Gotta just say that if the sunlight on the inside of the dome was created by Aizen's zanpaktou, then that means that all of Ichigo's group would be under Aizen's hypnosis already. Anyway, I'm doubtful about the surveillance claim made by AA, but it likely does have a purpose of some sort, or else there would not be any restrictions on the top 4 Espada.

I'm thinking that since AA mentioned that there are plenty of hollows/arrancar like himself that can only use their abilities in the dark, the sunlight is meant to suppress/weaken/inhibit certain arrancar/hollows.

@plotkaislayer - nice interpretation of the metaphor.

[Xel_MK]

I think its more likely that all the espada had a bonding session whilst wearing overalls and painting the roof of Los Noches blue with white clouds.

That, or Aizen was bored and needed a change of decour + wanted to change Las Noches into a little playground of his. What I mean is that by imposing a "fake/unnecessary" rule (note- Grimmjow used his Gran Ray Cero in the dome without consequences)- about Espada not being allowed to use their Gran Rey Cero and the Top 4 not being allowed use resurrección- he wanted to make it harder for them to fight in case of an intrusion, which btw he seemed to have foreseen. I mean whyanot? He's the boss he can do what he wants, especially if it's amusing. After all, wasn't it him that told the Espada not to react to the intruders when they appeared? Or how Aizen was amused when Kurosaki defeated Dordonii?

In other words I think the dome and the restrictions tied to it serve no practical purpose at all- they're just supposed to show us how Aizen is the master manipulator. (and maybe symbolize some of the stuff plotkaislayer mentioned xD)

[paradise_found]

@Paradise:

As a lit. guy, what do you think of the following reading of the dome: The false sunlight represents the false hope for the Espada finding relief to their suffering and to the Nakama for saving their friends. Ulq. blowing through the sunlight reveals the nighttime in the hollow soul and reveals the hopelessness for those sealed away in Las Noches :D

lol. i like it. very fitting for the events currently going down.

but i'm one of those lit majors that HATES when people go too deep into shit. literary critics are always on my shit list for just that reason. for all we know, kubo just blew off half of the dome to represent how powerful that attack was. BIG blast, BIG dome, BIG wtfpwns.

[easY]

Don't need this thread now, it's not a dome anymore LOL.

Anyway - My view of the dome is that it's just the center of HM, just like Seireitei is in SS, a place where the strong congregate.

[plotkaislayer]

lol. i like it. very fitting for the events currently going down.

but i'm one of those lit majors that HATES when people go too deep into shit. literary critics are always on my shit list for just that reason. for all we know, kubo just blew off half of the dome to represent how powerful that attack was. BIG blast, BIG dome, BIG wtfpwns.

Whatever, Paradise. Bleach is deep. DEEP. :bigsmile:

[fakeobsession]

heres the panel
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/263/17/

It definatly an illusion.. but your right that it doesnt suggest he made it with his zanpak.

hmm..

If it was illusion how could Aizen monitor everything...I think that maybe it is some kind of upper lvl kidou.Because we didn't have a clue that Aizen can actually watch them,only that can manipulate what others can see.

[paradise_found]

Whatever, Paradise. Bleach is deep. DEEP. :bigsmile:

RIGHT? kubo's TOO deep; he would never outright explain EVERYTHING that goes on in the manga!

LOL

[Xel_MK]

BIG blast, BIG dome, BIG wtfpwns.

Deep xD.

Don't need this thread now, it's not a dome anymore LOL.

Anyway - My view of the dome is that it's just the center of HM, just like Seireitei is in SS, a place where the strong congregate.

We can always rename it to "Dome of Las Noches (2006-2009) RIP" =P

But yeah, it does seem to resemble Seireitei a bit- each espada having their own pavilion/palace under the dome = each squad having their own HQ around the Tower of Repentance (or whatever it was called). Still, the matter of the sky illusion remains unresolved- was it just a decoration? Or something more?

[Xenofear]

Its just a dome. Period. :P

[plotkaislayer]

RIGHT? kubo's TOO deep; he would never outright explain EVERYTHING that goes on in the manga!

LOL

Yes, these past 7 seven chapters should have slash and pwn, and you damn well know it.

[Xel_MK]

Its just a dome. Period. :P

No... nooooooeeeeezzzz... I refuse to accept it =P

There must be some hidden meaning, a hidden message. Taite is trying to speak to us! xD