H.A.A.R.P.

[Fatstogey]

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1nLmlicxU

So do you think this is a research program or a weapon?

Also the possibility to regulate weather, cause earthquakes, even alter human beings moods have been admitted. They say the capabilities are there, but they say they arent using it for that.

they say that they arent using Eastland patents. they say its not a weapon. But could this explain the natural disasters lately? The earthquake in china, the Tsunami, and perhaps even katrina.

They admit that it can be used to alter the weather. it heats up the atmosphere. I remember a lot of people being shocked by how fast katrina grew in strength. Was this a test of HAARP?

[dyne]

no thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard

[NAM1011]

I love conspiracy theories. However, I doubt it Stogey.

[metalsoup111]

lol. Doubtful...

[lelouche]

lol well its pretty funny if you ask me. I mean the Tesla inventions have been around for a while. Why start with them now and not earlier.

Although not exactly partical weapons but the army and marines do have laser weapons that shoot down incoming missiles and rockets :D.

[Fatstogey]

lol well its pretty funny if you ask me. I mean the Tesla inventions have been around for a while. Why start with them now and not earlier.

Although not exactly partical weapons but the army and marines do have laser weapons that shoot down incoming missiles and rockets :D.

Because we didnt have the capabilities to produce 100 billion watts until now.

It reflects high frequency radio waves off the ionosphere.

And also tesla stated, not a direct quote but im not looking it up, that with enough power the technology could possibly split the earth in two.

And while that seems like a totally radical proclamation. You must first realize the man who said it was the greatest mind that has ever existed since the dawn of man. Yea you got albert Einstein but he only provided theories. Tesla actually invented the many of the basis of technologies we use today.

Tesla Coil
Alternating Current (AC)
Radio
AC Induction Motor
Tesla Oscillator
Wireless Power Transmission
Flourescent Lights
Hydroelectric Generators
Microwaves
Vacuum Tubes
Radars
X-Rays

Just to name a few. I mean your taking words from the man who bascially created the electric system we use today. The single man who can be credited, the most, with the civilization of mankind.

so when he makes a statement about this technology i would tend to believe it. Because he has more credibility than anyone in the field.

[vgrippa]

After seeming what our government is doing right now I wouldn't put this past them. I have already heard stories about completely silent planes that are being used in Iraq at night to deploy troops so this wouldn't surprise me. As for controlling peoples' minds I don't think so at least not with something like this. A tazer type system to control peoples' minds is totally possible because our brain uses electrically pulses to do literally everything in our body so all it would take is a system to convert information in to the same pulses and you have mind control. The tazer already does a very low level muscle control because it sends a pulse to your muscles that makes all of them contract at the same time. I would by this as a purely research based experiment if scientists were doing it, however the military is and yes they may have the smarts to do it but definitely not the morality.

"Lets make a "weather station" has the potential to be a particle beam and use to research weather for FOX news. It will cost us billions of dollars and we will have no real use for it."

"Ok that sounds like a great idea. Hey congress we need couple billion dollars to make a weather station in Alaska."

Hmmm maybe that is why they build that huge warehouse in Alaska that has enough batteries in it run a whole town.

[Nami-san]

I have already heard stories about completely silent planes that are being used in Iraq at night to deploy troops

HAH! Damn some of these things crack me up...I mean really, silent planes? Are you high!? lol.

[vgrippa]

HAH! Damn some of these things crack me up...I mean really, silent planes? Are you high!? lol.

Only and little and yes U.S. Rangers can tell some crazy stories that is probably why they do the secret missions like set up around Saddam's house two weeks before Bush even talked about war with Iraq. Those crazy rangers :rollseyes:

[Nami-san]

secret missions are one thing...silent planes are (as far as I can guess) impossible! Seriously...The only way to block out the engine noise would be to insulate them a HELL of a lot...and that much insulation+engine heat would make something set on fire!

[dyne]

they do actually have silent planes.. which people say they've based these planes off of UFO found..or something like that..there not really playes too more like flying saucers but yea they do have them and they're pretty cool saw it on discovery lol.

as for them carry troops lol i highly doubt that

[Nami-san]

well for something to be big enough to carry troops it's gunna be a fairly sizable aircraft right? Probably a big helicopter, they're pretty fekin' loud! An I fail to see how you can soundproof helicopter blades, lol.

[Kotoumaru]

There are unmanned planes that are silent and invisible to radars. There can be one pilot, piloting them, but there's no room for having troops on them.

Tesla did invent some crazy stuff. Fatstogey is right. Most of his work went to his nephew after he died, because he wanted his work to remain in Serbia, but CIA ceized most of it.

Some are used by the USA army. The system that "kills" electromagnetic devices, such as the control system in missiles, has been used since the war in Serbia..

I don't know much about haarp, I've read a book that merely describes it. Also, it's said that ESP(used for making an earthquake, I can't remember if that's the actual name) has been around for some years. They were talking about it when they made the worlds second fastest particle accelerator, after CERN's.

I don't know if any of this is true, but the technology does exist.

[dyne]

well for something to be big enough to carry troops it's gunna be a fairly sizable aircraft right? Probably a big helicopter, they're pretty fekin' loud! An I fail to see how you can soundproof helicopter blades, lol.
actually that reminds me theres is a new helicopter like that let me see if i can find it


edit: yea i cant find it but i dont remember sometimes last year hearing about a new type of helicopter that was half plane/ half helicopter or something and extremely silent

[lelouche]

you talking about the V-22 Osprey yeah it can take of vertical or hover but when it gets up to speed the propellers can rotate to a position to become a plane. Its a pretty cool system and is near silent compared to conventional helos and planes.

-It can hold 32 troops or 15000 lbs of cargo

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/v-22-pic01461.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/video/world/2007/04/13/v22.bb.jpg


Also that's a lil off topic so sorry for that.

You gotta also realize that Tesla had some pretty crazy idea and claimed to also have made an earthquake machine. Now not to say it isnt possible just would like to think no one is trying to produce these things lol.

[vgrippa]

Tesla reportedly said that he was on the verge of developing "free energy" that would be independent of both fossil fuels and wires but he was financial supported by J.P. Morgan and was soon cut off once Morgan discovered you could not charge for the new form of energy. Tesla wrote Morgan a letter saying, "I came to you with the greatest invention of all times. I knew you would refuse. What chance have I to land the biggest Wall Street monster with the soul's spider thread?"

It is sad to see such a great mind choked to death by the fed.

[lelouche]

Yeah i remember seeing or reading something about that. He lost all of his funding and they went with the system we use today in the form of power cables.

[DC_VulcanRaven]

This is a sweet subject. I have no doubts of it's existence at all. Scientifically, I can see almost all of those applications of the technology as sound. Just because we don't know about it, and it's not mainstream knowledge, doesn't exempt it from being a plausible idea.
I could see High frequency messing with weather. AM radio waves bounce off the ion sphere at night. Sonoluminessence exists, but is hardly known. There are tons of things in physics that are possible.
I doubt that the recent geological disturbances are caused by this machine. I'd say by Global warming. But just because I don't think so, doesn't mean I dismiss the idea.
I know a bit about Tesla. He was a genius. Some believe he was killed for his research. He had the great idea of sending electricity through the air, ground, well-anything. A couple of years ago some companies starting using this idea. So like 100 years later. I forget most of the details, but I believe it sends magnetic waves, and a reciever/Inductor coil converts it to electricity.
As for UAV's? well there are some that are totally silent, and undetectable. There are UAV's that fly out here all the time. You can hear them take off. They are really loud too.
I can imagine Aircraft that is silent, fast, and undetectable. I mean, just recently, through the use of meta-materials, Invisibility technology is emerging. C'mon now poeple!
Open your mind a lil.

[BalrogLord]

well for something to be big enough to carry troops it's gunna be a fairly sizable aircraft right? Probably a big helicopter, they're pretty fekin' loud! An I fail to see how you can soundproof helicopter blades, lol.

military gliders anyone? i mean hell even the germans used em ,which allowed them to sneak up on the eben-emel (spelling)fortress in belgium.

[lelouche]

we dont really use the gliders anymore. like i said we have near silent running engines and many new engines that are hybrids aand can run in electric stealth modes.

[Xel_MK]

OH NOEZ! We're doomed! It's Red Alert realized! H.A.A.R.P. is only one step behind time travel and removing Hitler from history =P

Seriously it's just yet another devilish, wicked, conspiracy of how the US is planning to rule the world. Been there done that. <sigh>

I mean, sure the H.A.A.R.P. project has huge potential- the fact it's considered serious by the military kinda points to it. Then again let's not overexaggerate and panic.

On the other hand though, if the evil plot of world domination through communication disruption, weather control, mind control, time travel etc. is true then REJOICE! You're lucky- it's a US project so at least you're on the winning side xD

[Fatstogey]

OH NOEZ! We're doomed! It's Red Alert realized! H.A.A.R.P. is only one step behind time travel and removing Hitler from history =P

Seriously it's just yet another devilish, wicked, conspiracy of how the US is planning to rule the world. Been there done that. <sigh>

I mean, sure the H.A.A.R.P. project has huge potential- the fact it's considered serious by the military kinda points to it. Then again let's not overexaggerate and panic.

On the other hand though, if the evil plot of world domination through communication disruption, weather control, mind control, time travel etc. is true then REJOICE! You're lucky- it's a US project so at least you're on the winning side xD

LOL and you think they wont use this on us? To the people in control we are merely assets. They think they own all of us so they dont care. and they dont care what country your from either.

And you know its a weapon. The navy and airforce wouldnt be involved if it wasnt.

[DC_VulcanRaven]

The military has an interesting responsibility. They will protect American lives with a scientific/ logical approach. Kill 10 to save 100. They'll do it. Drop to fission bombs on Japan, to stop us from invading mainland via Okinawa, and losing more American lives. This countries military is all about that. Is it right? Well there is no such thing as right. Just different perceptions on what is right and wrong, and degrees of each. The people in the military make and deal with the hard decisions so the average American doesn't have to deal with and experience the horrors they will have for the rest of their life. If everyone in America had to deal with situations like the military does, this country would not be happy. Say you are about to kill some terrorist group. This group murders innocent people a lot. They deserve to die, right? Or at least be stopped. During this operation, innocent people get in the crossfire, and you actually shoot a young kid that is fleeing the area. You have to life with the look on that mothers face as her kid dies. People in the military life and take these things so the average citizen can enjoy the freedoms they have without paying those prices.
Any opportunity to increase our offensive/defensive capibilities, the military will seize it. With an expanded arsenal of ways to deal with varying situations, they can hope to guarantee a better outcome, and mitigate American casualties.

[NAM1011]

And you know its a weapon. The navy and airforce wouldnt be involved if it wasnt.

Correction. It has the potential to be a weapon. The navy and airforce are there to make sure it doesn't get into enemy hands, and so they can study it and see its potential uses.

[TW501]

I seriously doubt that this is anything to be concerned about. It is partially funded by the navy and army, so I'm sure that the research has some sort of potential military application, but that doesn't mean that that it's the doomsday device that a lot of people are making it out to be. There are some seriously ridiculous claims about this. Earthquakes? Mind control? This project isn't going to cause that sort of thing (how is an experiment dealing with the atmosphere/ionosphere going to cause seismic activity in the earths crust?). The only logical criticism of it I've seen is that it's a waste of money. There are other research projects in the world conducting similar operations (the Russians have a device that is almost identical, and there is yet another in Norway). This all basically amounts to an irrational paranoia of organized government. While I certainly wouldn't say that government has always acted in the best interest of people, the level of distrust and paranoia over every move the government makes is simply mind-boggling. As shocking as this may seem, government operations don't typically have sinister intentions.

[Fatstogey]

Correction. It has the potential to be a weapon. The navy and airforce are there to make sure it doesn't get into enemy hands, and so they can study it and see its potential uses.

Yea but that doesnt mean much coming from the only country to use nuclear weapons in history.

And thats what they want you to think. They want you to think they are devloping it, not that its actually finished.

Haarp started like 11 years ago. You think they are still studying the potential? No. Its done already.''

Also @ TW. You think they would merely study this phenomena and not use it? Then whats the point of studying it? They have had this capabilty since 1988. Its not something new that must be studied. Its something that is already done and being implemented.

Also @ whoever neg repped me. You are a sheep. " help! guvment tryin to steal mah brain!!!"

No they arent trying to steal your brain. Merely to use it. Like that have since the beginning. Rather than creating false flag attacks, like 9/11, WWI,WWII, and vietnam they can just influence your mood. They've been doing it for years. This is just the expediting of that mindset. Rather than using events to manipulate you, like they do now. They have a direct means. And to assume no one would want or use this power is simply foolish. Because theyve already shown us that they would and will.

You are simply an asset. You are owned. They own you and me and everything else. You are an asset owned by them to be used for them. They dont give 2 fucks about your will or desire. You'll do what they want. And to discount this simply because its a consipracy theory is exactly what they want you to do and exaclty what they have set you up to do.

Thats why they make movies about it. To make you think. "oh government assassins? Youve been watching bourne ulitmatum too much." They expose you to it in movies already. So when someone discusses it, you assume it to be fantastical because you saw it in a movie. You are one of the easily manipulated masses.

[TW501]

There are no doubt many applications to knowledge gained from this sort of research, some of them likely military in nature, but that doesn't mean that it's some sort of doomsday superweapon. Also, I doubt that all research is done. Research into these sorts of things are seldom 'finished' as there is always more information and knowledge to be gained.

[Fatstogey]

There are no doubt many applications to knowledge gained from this sort of research, some of them likely military in nature, but that doesn't mean that it's some sort of doomsday superweapon. Also, I doubt that all research is done. Research into these sorts of things are seldom 'finished' as there is always more information and knowledge to be gained.

The basis for this technology was devoped by Nick Tesla in 1880. You think they are still researching it? How long does it take? Its done already. They have a weapon already. What they have now is exaclty what was descibed as the Bernard Eastland patents. The technolgy exists and has for years. They arent researching it anymore. Its done.

[TW501]

And your evidence for this would be? Nikola Tesla was a brilliant scientist, but he was also rather eccentric, and had a lot of theoretical ideas and concepts that didn't always work out (as with many scientists). There were others that did work, but did so in a different manner than expected, and others that worked on a small scale but not on the level he expected. As for patents, they are basically a legal device. There are literally hundreds of thousands, many for theoretical devices that may not work or for a compilation of ideas originally from others. This in mind, I would like to see some compelling evidence beyond a few testimonies from suspect individuals.

[Fatstogey]

And your evidence for this would be? Nikola Tesla was a brilliant scientist, but he was also rather eccentric, and had a lot of theoretical ideas and concepts that didn't always work out (as with many scientists). There were others that did work, but did so in a different manner than expected, and others that worked on a small scale but not on the level he expected. As for patents, they are basically a legal device. There are literally hundreds of thousands, many for theoretical devices that may not work or for a compilation of ideas originally from others. This in mind, I would like to see some compelling evidence beyond a few testimonies from suspect individuals.

His eccentricities are not what is being called into question. Its his knowledge which is being called into question. A knowledge that exceeds men who exist today.

Yes but you cannot question the ability of a man who spawned civilization. This man affected the world more than any other.

Also the person who is in charge of HAARP already admitted the capability of this technology but denied that it was being used as such. Which is a blatant lie. Because if it had no possibility of being used as a weapon then the military would not be funding it. Period. And the army isnt interested in patents that cant be made to work. If they didnt think ti would work then they woudlnt be doing it.

[TW501]

I'm not questioning Tesla's brilliance, we all know he was extemely important in the development of the modern age. I was commenting on what you said in relation to Tesla (looking back, perhaps I misinterpereted what you were saying). Sorry for the confusion.

I'm not denying the possibility of this being used for some sort of military function, but there's a fair amount of difference between "Yes, this research could yield results that could give us insight into this area of science, as well as potentially allowing us to form new military technology based upon it," and "We are using this to make a weapon," and "It's done! We just finished this awesome superweapon we're going to use to destroy the world!"

Again, I'd like to request some evidence to back up your claims. Supposing that you are correct, you must realize that the idea is rather difficult to believe and some solid evidence would be needed to find it believable.

[Fatstogey]

I'm not questioning Tesla's brilliance, we all know he was extemely important in the development of the modern age. I was commenting on what you said in relation to Tesla (looking back, perhaps I misinterpereted what you were saying). Sorry for the confusion.

I'm not denying the possibility of this being used for some sort of military function, but there's a fair amount of difference between "Yes, this research could yield results that could give us insight into this area of science, as well as potentially allowing us to form new military technology based upon it," and "We are using this to make a weapon," and "It's done! We just finished this awesome superweapon we're going to use to destroy the world!"

Again, I'd like to request some evidence to back up your claims. Supposing that you are correct, you must realize that the idea is rather difficult to believe and some solid evidence would be needed to find it believable.

lol you did not watch both videos in their entirety. I know already. Watch them. The dude admits that the applications as a weapon exist already. But that,basically, " we wouldnt do that, your crazy." Look at the dude's body langauge. its apparent that he si being evasive.

[Kotoumaru]

I did a little research and re-read a book about Tesla's inventions (including haarp) and I havent found any evidence that the project can control minds/emotions.

It can however be considered a weapon. From wikipedia:
HAARP could be seeking ways to destroy or disable enemy spacecraft or disrupt communications over large portions of the planet.
Using high-frequency radio waves to beam large amounts of power into the ionosphere, energizing its electrons and ions in order to disable incoming missiles and knock out enemy satellite communications.
The project in its present stage could be used for "geophysical warfare."

I remember reading a book called "Forbidden Technologies :Nikola Tesla", that mentioned Mind Control, though. I cant remember anything solid to back up either side of the arguement, but I am sure it is not science fiction, but the reality.

[Belial]

Also @ whoever neg repped me. You are a sheep. " help! guvment tryin to steal mah brain!!!"

Ban em get em outta here

[DC_VulcanRaven]

FatStogey pg. 3, post 26
"Thats why they make movies about it. To make you think. "oh government assassins? Youve been watching bourne ulitmatum too much." They expose you to it in movies already. So when someone discusses it, you assume it to be fantastical because you saw it in a movie. You are one of the easily manipulated masses."


Dude I totally agree. I have always thought that way about that sort of thing too. People see it in hollywood, and it seems so surreal on a TV. I see war movies on TV, and it's usually nothing like reality. Look at the alien movies from way back when. I bet the govt planted ideas for these movies to come out. Maybe to soften us up/introduce us to the idea of life on other planets, so that when we do discover them, we're not all in shock. Or, maybe to make us all believe that the idea is ridicious so that anything we experience close to that, we tell ourselves: Aww, that can't be real; that was in a fictional movie.

[Fatstogey]

I did a little research and re-read a book about Tesla's inventions (including haarp) and I havent found any evidence that the project can control minds/emotions.

It can however be considered a weapon. From wikipedia:
HAARP could be seeking ways to destroy or disable enemy spacecraft or disrupt communications over large portions of the planet.
Using high-frequency radio waves to beam large amounts of power into the ionosphere, energizing its electrons and ions in order to disable incoming missiles and knock out enemy satellite communications.
The project in its present stage could be used for "geophysical warfare."

I remember reading a book called "Forbidden Technologies :Nikola Tesla", that mentioned Mind Control, though. I cant remember anything solid to back up either side of the arguement, but I am sure it is not science fiction, but the reality.

Mind control, likely not.

Mood alteration? Quite possibly.

It couldnt make you raise a gun to your head and shoot yourself. But it could possibly make you depressed.

[Kotoumaru]

Reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 4. But in MSG it was done via nano-machines..

We get too much info via games and movies, sometimes real info, sometimes science fiction, so that when we witness such technology or alien encounters or new weapons or w/e, we tend not to believe it.

Like in X-files series or games like MGS. They have both facts and science fiction.

[Fatstogey]

Reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 4. But in MSG it was done via nano-machines..

We get too much info via games and movies, sometimes real info, sometimes science fiction, so that when we witness such technology or alien encounters or new weapons or w/e, we tend not to believe it.

Like in X-files series or games like MGS. They have both facts and science fiction.

And actually Hideo Kojima is sighted for that. For putting real world events into his games. I came to find out(AFTER THAT GAME) that nano machines were real. And genome soldiers from teh game. They were maping the human genome. So he has been sighted for relating games to real life or something. I cant remembe where i read that at. Damnit i have no idea.

[Xel_MK]

LOL and you think they wont use this on us? To the people in control we are merely assets. They think they own all of us so they dont care. and they dont care what country your from either.

And you know its a weapon. The navy and airforce wouldnt be involved if it wasnt.

ROFL, it's not as if the US military is above using it's weapons at the cost of American lives already, or sacrificing American lives to save more American lives (to put it a little brighter).

The military has an interesting responsibility. They will protect American lives with a scientific/ logical approach. Kill 10 to save 100. They'll do it. Drop to fission bombs on Japan, to stop us from invading mainland via Okinawa, and losing more American lives. This countries military is all about that. Is it right? Well there is no such thing as right. Just different perceptions on what is right and wrong, and degrees of each. The people in the military make and deal with the hard decisions so the average American doesn't have to deal with and experience the horrors they will have for the rest of their life. If everyone in America had to deal with situations like the military does, this country would not be happy. Say you are about to kill some terrorist group. This group murders innocent people a lot. They deserve to die, right? Or at least be stopped. During this operation, innocent people get in the crossfire, and you actually shoot a young kid that is fleeing the area. You have to life with the look on that mothers face as her kid dies. People in the military life and take these things so the average citizen can enjoy the freedoms they have without paying those prices.
Any opportunity to increase our offensive/defensive capibilities, the military will seize it. With an expanded arsenal of ways to deal with varying situations, they can hope to guarantee a better outcome, and mitigate American casualties.

QFT 'nuff said. You're the man DC.

Correction. It has the potential to be a weapon. The navy and airforce are there to make sure it doesn't get into enemy hands, and so they can study it and see its potential uses.

Hell yeah, if I am to choose between being mindcontrolled (or whatever) by Americans, Russians or Chinese- I'll definitely go with Chinese.... oh wait... =P

There are some seriously ridiculous claims about this. Earthquakes? Mind control? This project isn't going to cause that sort of thing (how is an experiment dealing with the atmosphere/ionosphere going to cause seismic activity in the earths crust?).

It's maaaaaaagic. xD

The only logical criticism of it I've seen is that it's a waste of money.

I guess yelling: "Crisis!" right about now is pretty pointless, no?

As shocking as this may seem, government operations don't typically have sinister intentions.

=O You've just spoiled my American Dream, you BASTARD!

There are no doubt many applications to knowledge gained from this sort of research, some of them likely military in nature, but that doesn't mean that it's some sort of doomsday superweapon. Also, I doubt that all research is done. Research into these sorts of things are seldom 'finished' as there is always more information and knowledge to be gained.

Yeah, there's always Death Star II.

The basis for this technology was devoped by Nick Tesla in 1880. You think they are still researching it? How long does it take? Its done already. They have a weapon already. What they have now is exaclty what was descibed as the Bernard Eastland patents. The technolgy exists and has for years. They arent researching it anymore. Its done.

Oh, they're done? Tsk tsk, too bad. Then I guess arguing it is pointless now Fatsogey. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but- you're already under government mind-control. You're just one of the chosen "control group rebels" that are making it seem the society is diverse.

I've been sent by the underground militia to recruit you to our cause! There's still time to stop those fiends from dominating humanity! AGHHH my signal's breaking up... they're getting to me....AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH noooooooooeeeeeazzzzzzzz..........

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The government of the United States of America is right and just. All they say and do is for the betterment of mankind. Make love not war. Peace brothers. ... with justice and liberty for all!

[Fatstogey]

They dont control minds. But they most certainly influence your opinion.

And @ TW. It creates seismic activity by reflecting hi power hi frequency radio waves off the ionosphere. Those same radio waves could also be used to affect brainwaves. Your brain and nervous system are also controlled by electricity. So to assume it cannot be interfered with is incorrect. They have tasers now, which are crude compared to this technology. However it was designed with specific voltage and frequency to block specific signals to the brain. The same can be done wirelessly.

This is theory. But you got your microwave at home. IDK what it runs at specifically, but you know what it does, it can heat shit up. So now they have this 100 billion watt microwave that they can reflect off the ionosphere. So it is totaly within reason that if they could focus the correct frequency they could microwave your ass, if they know your location. They can microwave the tectonic plates and heat them up, they can heat up the atmosphere. Which would cause a storm to become much greater in power.

Is it there yet? Perhaps not. Can it be. Sure. To rule it out is just not an option at this point. To deny its possibilities simply because of its implications isnt wise.

[Xel_MK]

Why are you so concerned Fatsogey? Why the agitation, the fear? Just chill ouuuuuuuuuut maaaaaaan... feel the awesomness... yeah... feelin goooooooooooooooooood... the world's a wonderful place so let's just get out there and enjoy it... peace bro.... xD

[Fatstogey]

Why are you so concerned Fatsogey? Why the agitation, the fear? Just chill ouuuuuuuuuut maaaaaaan... feel the awesomness... yeah... feelin goooooooooooooooooood... the world's a wonderful place so let's just get out there and enjoy it... peace bro.... xD

Because if we ignore whats in front of us the world wont be a wonderful place. also the world isnt a wonderful place now, not for everyone. But people are ok with being the only ones who are at happy. As long as 51 are happy then fuck the other 49. Im not down with that shit because those 49 could be contributing to my quality of life if they were allowed opportunity.

And dont worry about me. Im worried bout serious issues, sure. But party like a motherfucker too. Shit im drunk and high right now. I was at the bar drinking from 4-11pm today. Got close to havin this chick cheat on her boyfriend but she slipped away for tonight. So now im on the forum instead. lol So believe me id rather be with her than on here talking bout haarp n shit.

[Xel_MK]

Because if we ignore whats in front of us the world wont be a wonderful place. also the world isnt a wonderful place now, not for everyone. But people are ok with being the only ones who are at happy. As long as 51 are happy then fuck the other 49. Im not down with that shit because those 49 could be contributing to my quality of life if they were allowed opportunity.

And dont worry about me. Im worried bout serious issues, sure. But party like a motherfucker too. Shit im drunk and high right now. I was at the bar drinking from 4-11pm today. Got close to havin this chick cheat on her boyfriend but she slipped away for tonight. So now im on the forum instead. lol So believe me id rather be with her than on here talking bout haarp n shit.

Bah you didn't get the joke, oh well, guess it wasn't as funny or obvious as I assumed xD. Still, it's cool to see there are still idealistic youths out there I was beginning to fear everyone (myself included) ended up giving up their dreams for pragmatism. Have fun while you can, idealism doesnt last long.

[TW501]

lol you did not watch both videos in their entirety. I know already. Watch them. The dude admits that the applications as a weapon exist already. But that,basically, " we wouldnt do that, your crazy." Look at the dude's body langauge. its apparent that he si being evasive.

I watched the first video and began to watch the second video, but I stopped when I realized that they were both a load of conspiracy theorist bs. Their arguments weren't compelling, they provided little convincing evidence, and I just don't consider it to be entirely accurate. As for the guy they interviewed, he didn't seem to be a particularly comfortable speaker, which would explain his stuttering, slow speaking, and fidgeting (as someone with a similar problem myself, it was clear that was the case). Not to mention the fact that they probably edited things together to make it look more incriminating. Have you ever seen the film "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed"? If you have, you'll know how interviews can be manipulated and edited to make them appear to support a certain viewpoint. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see why I should believe this any more than people who say that aliens are planning to invade, CIA/Cuba/Mafia/LBJ killed Kennedy, Freemasons and Illuminati rule the world, Chupacabra exists (and he's coming to get you!), or any of the other insane conspiracy theories that come and go.

[DC_VulcanRaven]

Hmm nice. Hilarious responses Xel_mk. Leave it to you to be totally serious and get good points across, while keeping the mood humorous and positive.

"Is it there yet? Perhaps not. Can it be. Sure. To rule it out is just not an option at this point. To deny its possibilities simply because of its implications isnt wise."

ABSOLUTELY. It's never good to be close minded to any subject. Being Bias and seeing things through tinted glass never reveals the truth.

[Fatstogey]

I watched the first video and began to watch the second video, but I stopped when I realized that they were both a load of conspiracy theorist bs. Their arguments weren't compelling, they provided little convincing evidence, and I just don't consider it to be entirely accurate. As for the guy they interviewed, he didn't seem to be a particularly comfortable speaker, which would explain his stuttering, slow speaking, and fidgeting (as someone with a similar problem myself, it was clear that was the case). Not to mention the fact that they probably edited things together to make it look more incriminating. Have you ever seen the film "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed"? If you have, you'll know how interviews can be manipulated and edited to make them appear to support a certain viewpoint. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see why I should believe this any more than people who say that aliens are planning to invade, CIA/Cuba/Mafia/LBJ killed Kennedy, Freemasons and Illuminati rule the world, Chupacabra exists (and he's coming to get you!), or any of the other insane conspiracy theories that come and go.

Well whats wrong with conspiracy theories? They surely happen.

Oh and G HW Bush killed kennedy.

As far as the Illuminati and the Masons. I mean they do exist. As to whether or not they are conducting nefarious activities? Who knows. All we know is they are secretive about it and people dont like secrets. Especially secrets that involve leaders of nations. So to be suspicious is only natural.

Also haarp can be seen. There is no theory there. The technology does exist. The dude admitted in the video. But said they arent doing that. Well that is a lie. They admit the capabilities as a weapon but say thats not what theyre doing. However as I already said. If it wasnt a weapon then it wouldnt be getting funded by the military. Then you say its research and i say the tech is actually 21 years old in practicality and over 100 years old in theory. so to presume that they dont have a working prototype is just wrong.

[Xel_MK]

Hmm nice. Hilarious responses Xel_mk. Leave it to you to be totally serious and get good points across, while keeping the mood humorous and positive.

That's my job. To annoy, ridicule and de-serious-ize without being completely retarded (I walk on thin ice, I know) aaaaand maybe squeeze in a few semi-smart points. It's good to see a positive, non-amma-ban-yo-ass response once (in a while) =P

"Is it there yet? Perhaps not. Can it be. Sure. To rule it out is just not an option at this point. To deny its possibilities simply because of its implications isnt wise."

ABSOLUTELY. It's never good to be close minded to any subject. Being Bias and seeing things through tinted glass never reveals the truth.

Agreed. Personally, I like my open minded with lulz sauce and a little chill-y on top.

[Alan the Cowboy Killer]

I clicked this thread expecting Muse.:bigsmile: Idiot me.

Oh well, now I know where they got HAARP from.