Just a thought....

[Dragonaar]

Okay so we all know that the present scenario in Fake Karakura Town doesn't really favour Aizen, but at the same time, he seems to be a little too confident of victory. But here is what I think....the top 3 Espada and their various fraccion are the million or so souls he needs to create the Ouken...from what I recall, menos grande are basically accretions of a large number of souls, and their only method of progression is to keep on consuming souls. Now, Aaroniero had consumed some thousands of souls and was still a gillian, so one can presume that the amount of souls required to achieve and maintain he status of a vasto lorde must number in the hundred thousands. So, one can assume the top 3 Espada and their fraccion make up the sum total of souls Aizen needs and he is throwing them at the SS forces for two reasons: first, that they die and second, that they take a few down with them. This theory could explain why Aizen is refusing to participate in a battle in which his side is quite obviously the inferior, and also fulfils the Ouken's criteria of a million souls within a single spirit mile....

[Xel_MK]

I also thought so for a long time. It does make sense HOWEVER Fake Karakura is still Fake Karakura. He may be able to "release" the required number of souls but he also needs the 1 square spirit mile area- which is in Soul Society (afaik).

So as logical as it sounds, I must disagree. Sure, Aizen has something up his sleeve (as always LOL) but it's not creating the Ouken in Fake Karakura.

[VanquishedAngel]

Okay so we all know that the present scenario in Fake Karakura Town doesn't really favour Aizen, but at the same time, he seems to be a little too confident of victory. But here is what I think....the top 3 Espada and their various fraccion are the million or so souls he needs to create the Ouken...from what I recall, menos grande are basically accretions of a large number of souls, and their only method of progression is to keep on consuming souls. Now, Aaroniero had consumed some thousands of souls and was still a gillian, so one can presume that the amount of souls required to achieve and maintain he status of a vasto lorde must number in the hundred thousands. So, one can assume the top 3 Espada and their fraccion make up the sum total of souls Aizen needs and he is throwing them at the SS forces for two reasons: first, that they die and second, that they take a few down with them. This theory could explain why Aizen is refusing to participate in a battle in which his side is quite obviously the inferior, and also fulfils the Ouken's criteria of a million souls within a single spirit mile....

I think that someone (maybe you) has posted this before. But I am pretty sure that this idea has been posted... But to address your point... it is very plausible... if he could somehow encapsulate the power of those souls. The only thing that may stand in his way is htat Stark may not go so easily..

[Rufix]

Never thought about it but it sounds very possible, question I put is: how is he going to get rid of Royal Guard?;P

[Dragonaar]

You know, there is a chance he might play one against the other again....now this is even more far-fetched than the OP and will probably be flamed like hell, but here goes...supposing Aizen does use the above method to create the Ouken and opens the gate to the King's dimension, the Royal Guard should, in all probability, rush to investigate the intrusion...now this is what my theory revolves around....the Vizards will make a timely appearance here to stop Aizen, but the Royal Guard, seeing a bunch of Shinigami(namely Aizen & Co....the SS forces would be quite battle weary and possibly a short distance away) being attacked or at least challenged by part-Hollows, creatures that they would view as abominations and attack, inadvertently aiding Aizen, who would ,quite naturally, do nothing to disabuse them of their perception...all of this could culminate with Aizen being welcomed into the King's realm, where he would be free to Kyouka Suigetsu all the surviving Royal Guards (presuming some died in that battle against the Vizards) and play his usual games...the wild card here could possibly be Isshin (a possible ex-Royal Guard/Captain), since Ichigo, even if he managed to arrive on the scene would also be treated as an abomination due to his Vizard nature...

[Xel_MK]

You know, there is a chance he might play one against the other again....now this is even more far-fetched than the OP and will probably be flamed like hell, but here goes...supposing Aizen does use the above method to create the Ouken and opens the gate to the King's dimension, the Royal Guard should, in all probability, rush to investigate the intrusion...now this is what my theory revolves around....the Vizards will make a timely appearance here to stop Aizen, but the Royal Guard, seeing a bunch of Shinigami(namely Aizen & Co....the SS forces would be quite battle weary and possibly a short distance away) being attacked or at least challenged by part-Hollows, creatures that they would view as abominations and attack, inadvertently aiding Aizen, who would ,quite naturally, do nothing to disabuse them of their perception...all of this could culminate with Aizen being welcomed into the King's realm, where he would be free to Kyouka Suigetsu all the surviving Royal Guards (presuming some died in that battle against the Vizards) and play his usual games...the wild card here could possibly be Isshin (a possible ex-Royal Guard/Captain), since Ichigo, even if he managed to arrive on the scene would also be treated as an abomination due to his Vizard nature...

Hmmm... a little farfetched, but nevertheless intriguing. Quite the plottwist and accurate presentation of Aizen's MO.

[xPyrox]

Interesting idea...
But.. my question is this;
HOW is he going to destroy the 1 square mile?
Hokayaku cant do it..

[Athane]

Interesting idea...
But.. my question is this;
HOW is he going to destroy the 1 square mile?
Hokayaku cant do it..

Probably some type of technique.


Yama said he (Aizen) researched the "events leading up to the creation of the Ouken", so in other words he knows how to create another one and there has to be some type of events that go on?

Not sure if I remember that one perfectly correct, so I'll have to go back and look.

[Matt]

You know, there is a chance he might play one against the other again....now this is even more far-fetched than the OP and will probably be flamed like hell, but here goes...supposing Aizen does use the above method to create the Ouken and opens the gate to the King's dimension, the Royal Guard should, in all probability, rush to investigate the intrusion...now this is what my theory revolves around....the Vizards will make a timely appearance here to stop Aizen, but the Royal Guard, seeing a bunch of Shinigami(namely Aizen & Co....the SS forces would be quite battle weary and possibly a short distance away) being attacked or at least challenged by part-Hollows, creatures that they would view as abominations and attack, inadvertently aiding Aizen, who would ,quite naturally, do nothing to disabuse them of their perception...all of this could culminate with Aizen being welcomed into the King's realm, where he would be free to Kyouka Suigetsu all the surviving Royal Guards (presuming some died in that battle against the Vizards) and play his usual games...the wild card here could possibly be Isshin (a possible ex-Royal Guard/Captain), since Ichigo, even if he managed to arrive on the scene would also be treated as an abomination due to his Vizard nature...

That's a very...good assumption.

If the royal guard members come in to fight against the vizards, AIzen could just use his shikai to make an illusion of him in FK and just enter the realm while the royal guards are distracted.

Obv their might be other members by the king at the point, but yea, less opponents for aizen to worry about.

[Vizard]

First it's 100,000 souls, over the area of 1 square mile of spirit enriched land. And I think they said it has to be humans, so I don't think hollows count.

I've said a theory before were I think its all too plausible that Aizen like he did during the the TBTP arc is using a illusion on everyone so he can be in another place while they think he is there. He could very well be in SS with his 2 minion captains, while 3 hollows take place of them.

I don't think that's necessarily true, but it is possible. As one person said, that the 3 captains where acting too much like them selfs for that to be true, but that doesn't mean it isn't true, only that those that mimic them are really good actors.

Who knows if using the top 3 is his plan, I doubt it tho. As far as we know those espada are 1 person, made up of many hollows (as its been stated). If the requirement is human souls (as I think it was said) then the only thing for Aizen to do is destroy the 4 pillars, or retreat to SS.

[Levy]

First it's 100,000 souls, over the area of 1 square mile of spirit enriched land. And I think they said it has to be humans, so I don't think hollows count.

I've said a theory before were I think its all too plausible that Aizen like he did during the the TBTP arc is using a illusion on everyone so he can be in another place while they think he is there. He could very well be in SS with his 2 minion captains, while 3 hollows take place of them.

I don't think that's necessarily true, but it is possible. As one person said, that the 3 captains where acting too much like them selfs for that to be true, but that doesn't mean it isn't true, only that those that mimic them are really good actors.

Who knows if using the top 3 is his plan, I doubt it tho. As far as we know those espada are 1 person, made up of many hollows (as its been stated). If the requirement is human souls (as I think it was said) then the only thing for Aizen to do is destroy the 4 pillars, or retreat to SS.

Well, assuming that if slain a hollow made of many hollows releases all his *eaten* souls. Since a Zan purifies the hollow souls, they should become human souls. So in a sense that would be plausible.

[Vizard]

Well, assuming that if slain a hollow made of many hollows releases all his *eaten* souls. Since a Zan purifies the hollow souls, they should become human souls. So in a sense that would be plausible.

I don't think you understand.

Stark is 1 person, not 1 million persons, he is 1 soul, not 1 million souls. He might of been made up of 1 million souls, but he is 1, and only 1 soul now.(I must say these numbers are fabricated, they aree in no means true, no one knows how many souls make up strak, or anyone else.)

soul barrial only sends a plus soul to SS, I don't think hollows go to SS tho, I think they go back to HM. E.G.: grand fisher, and that hollow that was Kaien, which was absorbed by AA.

[Dragonaar]

Actually, if you remember the first few chapters, the freeing of souls consumed by a hollow was mentioned and I think that Shibata character's mother did ascend to SS...or maybe it was Rukia just saying she would....but in either case, the only hollow that seems to have been sent to HM after being defeated was Metastacia....could be because he was a special case...what with Aizen having created him and all....

[Afrojack]

Killing a hollow with a zan sends them to SS. I believe hollows retreat to HM when injured or incapacitated but not purified, or they somehow retreat there at will. It might just be for the sake of another realm, but I believe it was briefly explained once. Can't be fucked to find it though.

[OminousG]

^1st anime episode, 1st manga chapter... when brother Inoue hollow got 1/2 his mask chopped off he went back to HM to re-up

[Luna]

I've said a theory before were I think its all too plausible that Aizen like he did during the the TBTP arc is using a illusion on everyone so he can be in another place while they think he is there. He could very well be in SS with his 2 minion captains, while 3 hollows take place of them.

I recall hearing a theory like that before. I'm not buying it because of his explanation for his zan's powers when his plot was revealed in the SS arc. If he had to gather the VC's together to put them all under his zan's power, wouldn't he have to do that with other opponents as well? That would be a lot of people. And I don't know of any evidence suggesting that he can manipulate opponents with his zan while in another realm. I don't think we have any idea how many captains [if any] fell under his zan's illusion, but even so, for how long he's been away, who knows if it is still in effect...

[Levy]

I don't think you understand.

Stark is 1 person, not 1 million persons, he is 1 soul, not 1 million souls. He might of been made up of 1 million souls, but he is 1, and only 1 soul now.(I must say these numbers are fabricated, they aree in no means true, no one knows how many souls make up strak, or anyone else.)

soul barrial only sends a plus soul to SS, I don't think hollows go to SS tho, I think they go back to HM. E.G.: grand fisher, and that hollow that was Kaien, which was absorbed by AA.

You forgot that menos are created by having lots and lots of hollow forming together and if a strong personnality is in them they can start to evolve to adjuchas and VL. Stark has 1 personnality but he is made from a lot of hollows (whether than includes the ones he hates after becoming a menos, I can't tell) but it should include the one with whom he merged to first become a menos grande.

Like other said, slaying a hollow with a Zan purifies their soul and sends them to SS. Iirc for metacia (sp?) AA said that he caugh him before his soul to go to SS or something like that.

[Xel_MK]

You forgot that menos are created by having lots and lots of hollow forming together and if a strong personnality is in them they can start to evolve to adjuchas and VL. Stark has 1 personnality but he is made from a lot of hollows (whether than includes the ones he hates after becoming a menos, I can't tell) but it should include the one with whom he merged to first become a menos grande.

Like other said, slaying a hollow with a Zan purifies their soul and sends them to SS. Iirc for metacia (sp?) AA said that he caugh him before his soul to go to SS or something like that.

Yes, it's definitely true- killing a hollow with a zanpaktou purifies it and sends the original soul to SS.

About Menos Grande, in THAT stage I'm 100% sure that all hollows in it retain their personality. Most often there's none amongst them that's dominating enough to take over, HOWEVER if that happens (see the chapter where the backstory of Grimmjow's fraccion is presented by Shawlong or whoever) then ONE hollow overrules the others and gains control BUT afaik the others are still there. Not sure, if becoming an adjuchas changes that- most likely not.

Further proof for that when Kurosaki fought Shirosaki for dominance, the latter explained that whatever "element" of a soul is the strongest gains dominion over it and changes it (Zangetsu changes to Shirosaki ; Kurosaki started changing to Shirosaki before he defeated him). I believe this rule applies to ALL souls (both hollows and shinigami/vizards).

The problems start when we discuss arrancarization. So far we don't know how exactly it works in these respects and whether the other "lesser hollows" within Menos/Adjuchas are completely "absorped" into the arrancar when the dominant hollow gains shinigami powers OR do they remain trapped inside, practically incapable of taking over?

[xPyrox]

From what I gathered, there wasn't a soul that, was, for example, like Grimmjow, because all the hollows became one, they all became a soul, as in all merged into one.
And created, for instance, Grimmjow as he is.

[Slixtrix]

This was discussed months ago. I started a thread about after I saw someone else post this theory somewhere.