Soi Fon ranking vs The Espada

[daxrattler]

The Title might be a bit misleading but since the Barragan vs Soi thread didn't really determine any thing how about we rate where we think Soi Fon level would be vs the Espada (could she go up against the 5th etc) based on our current knowledge of her/there abilities.

I personally think the 7th Espada is probably her limit since his speed(sinodo) seemed quite weak compared to Nii sama's shunpo and i believe her to be equal if not Superior to him fro a speed point of view + her 2 hit kill but i just don't see her having the necessary speed and power to fight a released grim jaw (she might hurt him a little while he is still sealed) but even with her unknown bankai i don't see it giving her a strong enough power jump to compensate for the gap. I've added a poll so people can vote but i'm really interested in hearing people's arguments for and against their choices

pps yes i am a soi fon fan just so you know lol

[Rinda Man]

zonmari-nnoi level by powerscaling considering shunko and bankai

[pumpkin13]

Well considoring her hax instakill two hit ability theoretically she can kill stark if she can get two hits on him. It hasn't been made clear yet whether her zan shikai needs to actually pierce the skin of the target to take effect. If it's literally a two touch, then hierro doesn't matter, all that matters is speed. Although i'd think that Released Ulquiorra and upwards (would he be more powerful than unres Halibel? w/e around that level) would have competant enough speed to dodge her stabbing attacks.

[Feranor]

Well, using Bankai and Shunko (I'd wager that Kubo made her improve her Shunko after the Yoruichi encounter) I think she could probably defeat Noitorra. Grimmjaw might actually be harder to take down because of his speed. Zommari is far more dangerous than both of them due to his h4x ability, I think she'd require his stupidity (not targeting the head, explaining his ability etc. like he did against Byakuya) to win.

Ulquoirra should be too strong, but we'll see that if she actually does fight Barragan.

[Aaroneiro]

Maybe Noitra but not Grimmjow, and no fucking way unreleased Ulquiorra. Zommari's level.

[Lnrd]

Zommari's level

[Intense]

Based on what we've seen I'd say up to Zommari level as well.

[Yadomaru]

I'd say she's probably fast enough to land two hits with Suzumebachi on Zommari before he releases. So Zommari I think she can definitely beat.
I doubt she has the raw power to go up against Nnoitra, and IMO Ulquiorra is definitely way out of her league. BUT, I think there's a slim chance she might be able to manage a win against Grimmjow(though probably with some difficulty).

[justin43]

Soi Fon can beat any espada up to Zommari's level from what I have seen. Grimmjow is too fast and even if she hits I doubt that her tiny shikai blade is stronger than a post-first Ulquiorra Vichigo GT, which released Grimmjow laugh off.(This may prove that hierro does get stronger after releasing considering that the same GT cut him unreleased.:suspicious: That is for another thread through). Soi Fon lack the power to cut Noitora and should be rip to shreds. Ulquiorra is just out of her league.

[Kingkon]

I think she can go up against grimmjow, Noitora she has no hope to beat

[Paragon]

I don't think her Shikai will be able to cut Grimmjow. I'd say as of now her limit is defeating all the Espadas up to the 7th. From the 6th and above she loses. We can't even use Shunko for this as it is still unknown as to whether or not shes actually been able to master the skill like Yoruichi.

[xBanzai89]

I think it all depends on her Bankai. We still do not know what is capable of. Though I'm betting she is somewhat under Bya. So she should at least be able to take on Grim. With a slight chance of beating Noi. If she retains some kind of 2 hit with her Bankai plus her speed I would say she has a chance against him.

[daxrattler]

So from what i can tell the main arguments seem to be about her speed compared to say GJ and above as well as her shikai's ability to work through their herro. i'm inclined to think that she needs to break the skin or outer layer for her shikai to leave it's mark. All the times she has used it it's been seen to penetrate and when she was fighting gigo vega she stated it would be over in 2 stabs.

Nnoitra's herro is also supposed to be the strongest of the espada (unless they mean it proportionally if that makes sense in which case the top 3 are almost certain to be stronger) so there is no way for her to hurt him from what i can tell but wouldn't a released GJ herro compare fairly close to a sealed Nnoitra?.

And i thought that Shunko only added to one's striking power and no speed boost which is what she really need's to at least keep up to the top 4 (or even GJ).

Sorry if any of the above does not make sense i'll clarify if u got any question's
-Dax

[killerchink]

i think she could only beat Syazel cos Zommari would totally stop Soi fon fighting properly if he gets an eye on her. Without a limb, its hard to see Soi Fon fighting hand-to-hand which is what she relies on.

Saying that...i think Soi fon could beat Nnoitra altho IMO she can't beat Grimmjow as Pantera is stronger, more durable and matches her speed at least.

[Lnrd]

I think it all depends on her Bankai. We still do not know what is capable of. Though I'm betting she is somewhat under Bya. So she should at least be able to take on Grim. With a slight chance of beating Noi. If she retains some kind of 2 hit with her Bankai plus her speed I would say she has a chance against him.

What the hell kind of logic is this?

[daxrattler]

maybe the better question is where does xbanzai89 actually rate Bya if they think someone below him could go even with GJ. i'll admit my curiosity is peaked could u please elaborate banzai?.

Saying that...i think Soi fon could beat Nnoitra altho IMO she can't beat Grimmjow as Pantera is stronger, more durable and matches her speed at least.
But wouldn't Nnoitra's herro pose a problem as well being to hard to pierce?

[Captainarmstead]

Soi Fon with just shunko and shikai (which is kind of ridiculous... 2 hit kill and I am faster than most people... whack) could go up against Zommari from what it seems so far. Anything beyond that depends on her bankai and we haven't seen that, so there is no way to tell.

[Kingkon]

Come to think about it Soifon would actually have a hard time with any Espada, like szayels had ability allows him to regenerate and even empregnate his opponents, and Zommari don't forget guys is one of the fastest Espada so Soifon doesn't really have too much speed advantage on him either, heck even Yammi's heirro is strong enough to take one of ishada's bow.

[BOssManNate]

just because soi fon can maybe beat a higher one doesnt mean she can take them all
i think that ichigo would have lost to zommari but he beat grim who is higher
Yammi < Soi
AA < Soi
Syazel > Soi
Zomm > Soi
Grim > Soi
Nnoi =/= Soi (depending on if she can pierce skin he is slower than the rest)
Ulq > Soi
1 - 3 ? Soi depends on there strengths and weaknesses

[fifenfk]

Zommari's level

Agreed

But yet there are certain factors that do favor her shunko,bankai but need to see it 1st.

[Gear4]

After seeing how Ulquiorra raped Ichigo with ONE FINGER aka Black Cero. I was like thinking "oh boy those captains in Karakura are gonna have big big trouble". I say she's around Grimmjow's level at best. I mean even Yoruichi whos Soifon's superior got injured by fighting Yammy unreleased.

[VanquishedAngel]

After seeing how Ulquiorra raped Ichigo with ONE FINGER aka Black Cero. I was like thinking "oh boy those captains in Karakura are gonna have big big trouble". I say she's around Grimmjow's level at best. I mean even Yoruichi whos Soifon's superior got injured by fighting Yammy unreleased.

Yeah... well that is true however Yoroichi still pounded Yammi w/o any trouble. I have to say that so far no captain (save Hits) has proven to be
any less than Nnoi and one could argue that she'd wipe Nnoi with her shikai. Ulqui is the starting point for most of the captains.

[Kingkon]

Yeah... well that is true however Yoroichi still pounded Yammi w/o any trouble. I have to say that so far no captain (save Hits) has proven to be
any less than Nnoi and one could argue that she'd wipe Nnoi with her shikai. Ulqui is the starting point for most of the captains.

If Ichigo's bankai cannot pierce Noitra, then how will Soifon's shikai work on Noi?

[UnadvisedGoose]

We don't know that his bankai couldn't pierce it. He had just been beaten halfway to hell by his fight with GJ. Its safe to say he was far from 100% when he tangled with Noi.

I think she definitely has a possibility of beating GJ. Not so sure about Noi. GJ would be a better fight for her. However, Im not too sure she could beat Zommari. That ability is quite hax, and we don't know if her Kido is up to blocking it, or if she will be observant enough to realize that Kido is what she needs to use. But I think with her bankai she definitely gives GJ a run for his money, but can't be sure of course cuz we don't know what it is.

[Gear4]

Soifon can beat Zommari. She has Yoruichi's speed and techniques. Didn't Byakuya once used one of Yoruichi's technique to escape from Zommari's Gamelos Sonido? Plus she has kido knowledge. She'll probably just use Hadou 81 Danku and block Zommari's Amor and use Shunko to blast Zommari to bits lol. I can say for sure that Bankai Ichigo cannot cut Nnoitra because he can barely even stratch Ulquiorra's hierro at chapter 341. Nnoitra's hierro is stronger than Ulquiorra's. I doubt Suzumebachi can cut Nnoitra.

[ExStark]

So your saying Nnois heirro is stronger then a released Ulqiu? I do not see the logic behind that.

Anyway I don't really see how she can beat Zommari because all he has to do is catch her hand with one eye and its over for her. Hell he can turn her two hit kill against her by makeing her stab herself twice in the same spot. Unlike Byakuya she cant cut her arm like he did, since by useing her Suzembachi(or whatever its called) she no longer has weapon to cut herself with. Though If she somehow were to beat Zommari it would only be through his own arrogance.

[Gear4]

Well I am talking about unreleased Ulquiorra hierro vs unreleased Nnoitra hierro you know what happened when they fought Ichigo. About her can't beat Zommari, so your saying that Zommari can even beat Grimmjow, Nnoitra, Ulquiorra etc?

[ExStark]

I did not say, all I'm saying that her zan's ability in shikia changes its form to that of a gauntlet kinda thing(don't really know what to call it). Well by doing this means its on that one hand and if Zommari gains control of it then its over for her the end.

Also he would never dare try and take over the others in his released form cause they would kick his ass. He stands not a chance against maybe none of the others. The only chance he has is staying in unreleased form and trying to run away using his Sonido and pray he can run away from them( the only ones this doesn't apply to is Nnoi and yammy since they haven't shown to be fast). Anyway that's all off the original subject.

[Gear4]

Well I am just saying how she can beat Zommari and uses the other Espada as examples. I mean you gotta admit Zommari has a pretty hax ability yet he's still 7. If its a battle of speeds, I say Soifon wins. When Zommari release then she can just Bakudou 81 Danku block Zommari (I hope this doesn't count as double posting if it is I am sorry). Release Zommari lost his legs so I doubt he can move fast in that form. Soifon can then use Bakudou 61 and temporary paralyze Zommari just like Rukia paralyzed Aaroniero. Then she can uses that opportunity to use Bakudou 90 Black coffin which surrounds Zommari and he can't see due to Black Coffin and he'll be defeated. Yeah I know I said she uses a whole lot of kidos and stuff but, she's Secret Mobile Force Commander, if she must be at least in advanced proficency in kido to reach that position. I think her kido skills is as good if not better than Byakuya since she's older and more experienced than him and she spent more time with Yoruichi.

[ExStark]

The thing is she won't know about his ability of Amor till after he has released cause just like Byakuya he did not tell him till after he got his leg with it. So he will just get her leg or hand and then he'll tell her what it is and does. So unless she already knows about it then she aint gonna block it with anything just like Byakuya. Also Soi Fon is arrogant and after she gets the first hit in she most likely would tell him about her stupid ability. Also Zommari can use his Sonido in that form, he just can't use Gemelos Sonido, which is why hes so fast originally. So its not like he'll just sit there like an idiot and be hit twice.

[Gear4]

Hm you got a point there. Zommari could've easily defeat Byakuya if he just look at his head in the very beginning and say nothing about it. If Zommari targets Soifon's head first then its gg for her. But there's a chance that Zommari is arrogant and thats why he lost to Byakuya in the first place. If Zommari act arrogant against Soifon, he'll lose if not he wins.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Well I am just saying how she can beat Zommari and uses the other Espada as examples. I mean you gotta admit Zommari has a pretty hax ability yet he's still 7. If its a battle of speeds, I say Soifon wins. When Zommari release then she can just Bakudou 81 Danku block Zommari (I hope this doesn't count as double posting if it is I am sorry). Release Zommari lost his legs so I doubt he can move fast in that form. Soifon can then use Bakudou 61 and temporary paralyze Zommari just like Rukia paralyzed Aaroniero. Then she can uses that opportunity to use Bakudou 90 Black coffin which surrounds Zommari and he can't see due to Black Coffin and he'll be defeated. Yeah I know I said she uses a whole lot of kidos and stuff but, she's Secret Mobile Force Commander, if she must be at least in advanced proficency in kido to reach that position. I think her kido skills is as good if not better than Byakuya since she's older and more experienced than him and she spent more time with Yoruichi.

You are HEAVILY overestimating her Kido abilities. Theres absolutely no way she can perform Hadou number 90. Black coffin failed when Aizen tried to do it, and its implied that he is quite skilled in Kido. While Danku is within the realm of possibility, Im still not convinced she could do even that. Secret Ops. has nothing whatsoever to do with Kido, so I don't know where you're getting that. And then you're assuming she will automatically know that the technique is Kido based. I think she could figure it out, but not without getting hit by Amor a couple times. And I just am not too sure she has the chops in Kido to rely on it to beat Zommari.

She can beat the others because she is a combat type, like GJ and Noi. And her and GJ seem to fight very similar.

[darkhole]

Meh, don't know what her bankai is, but I'll still say she'd take out espadas 5-10. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Either she lives up to it or simply doesn't. I'm honestly banking on her being faster than Grimmjow. That's right, I said it. Fucking faster than Grimmjow. And if Byakuya can pull "Molting Cicada"(w/e) out of his ass then Soifon should be able to use "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."

[Gear4]

Your right Goose maybe I emphasize her kido a little way too much :D. But she's still a ninja and an assassin. Probably she has this giant smoke bomb technique that can blind Zommari's sight and she'll "show him a true assassination" lol.

[Levy]

You are HEAVILY overestimating her Kido abilities. Theres absolutely no way she can perform Hadou number 90. Black coffin failed when Aizen tried to do it, and its implied that he is quite skilled in Kido.

I can't remember, where was it implied that Aizen is skilled in kido ? unless you're referring to the part where he talks about the limits of a shinigami.

[UnadvisedGoose]

Ok, yeah. I could buy some ninja thingy lol.

^Well 5th division seems to be somewhat skilled in Kido. Momo is good at it, and Aizen has used a very high level one(hadou 90), even if he did fail at it, I don't think even people like Byakuya(who seems skilled in Kido) could even do it at all, at least without the chant. I guess thats my own opinion lol, but it seems to have some steady grounds.

[Spectre]

She can barely defeat Szayel. But there's her Bankai. If that's a BA she could pwn Barragan.

[Soujirou]

Szarel would have her, she would die after giving birth to him just after she finishes killing him.

[darkp]

We need to see soi fon bankai for this thread but ı voted for zommari without showing a bankai, she is at that level for me.

[Feranor]

Szarel would have her, she would die after giving birth to him just after she finishes killing him.

Szayel apparently needs to catch his target with his "tail" in order to "impregnate" himself into it. I don't think Soi Fon would get caught by that.

[TW501]

I doubt that she could go much beyond Zommari's level, or maybe even Grimmjow's level. I can't see her fighting at a level beyond that though.

[NigaDem]

Based on her currently feats I say she could beat espade 5-10, her shikai doesn't matter if it pierces the skin, she could focus inwards too.....

http://www.readbleach.com/#

edit i meant 5-10 sorry

[Kingkon]

Based on her currently feats I say she could beat espade 1-5, her shikai doesn't matter if it pierces the skin, she could focus inwards too.....

http://www.readbleach.com/#

Of coarse she needs to pierce her opponents skin what kind of poison is it if it doesn't go to your body. Think about it why do you think her shikai requires her to do two hits if her shikai's poison could work without a wound? The first hit should work if that's the case, but it's not the first hit is to simply make a wound deep enough for the poison to be injected for the second hit.

[Cloud Sykes]

Originally Posted by NigaDem
Based on her currently feats I say she could beat espade 1-5, her shikai doesn't matter if it pierces the skin, she could focus inwards too.....

I think she could only beat Espada 5 and above

Ulquiorra would dominate her and never give her the chance to use her shikai on him and I think the other espada would be the same. barring a miraculous fluke shot she wouldnt be able to land her two hit KO attack. I base my assumptions about Stark and co. on what we have seen on Ulquiorra thus far btw.

To have a a chance she would need a sneak attack or a pair of captains to keep the target occupied... twice...

[Aaroneiro]

Soifon stabs with a point she doesn't slash like Ichigo, If she can pierce him then it wouldn't be a fight for her, if she can't she's fucked. Grimmjow isn't as strong as Nnoitra but he's still stronger AND faster than Soifon.

[shinji]

Well shes fought on par with yourichi without her bankai and with the new spoilers of ulquiorra i'd guess nnoitras level.

[kochito22]

yoruichi was unarmed

[Rinda Man]

Of coarse she needs to pierce her opponents skin what kind of poison is it if it doesn't go to your body. Think about it why do you think her shikai requires her to do two hits if her shikai's poison could work without a wound? The first hit should work if that's the case, but it's not the first hit is to simply make a wound deep enough for the poison to be injected for the second hit.

its not poison that was filler

[AizenvsUrahara]

that bitch has no limits:amused: her shikai is to haxxed god knows what her bankai might be. it`s hard to guess which espada she can take on since she could probably take them all on unless they can riatsucrush her or speed blitz her but going by her current feats i`ll go whit 5-10

[Eviscerate]

We know nothing about her bankai, and we haven't seen Top 3 espada power either, but my guess is that she's little above Nnoitra's level...

[-MaNi-]

right now, i'd say she can take upto zommari's level... she might be able to go further with her bankai, but we have no clue as to what that is.. so until we do, her place is gonna be locked down under 7

[Eviscerate]

Yeah, but even the FACT that she has bankai raises her above number 7 (low tier espada are between captains and VC's in therms of strength). We can't say that she is weaker than Byakuya and he made a sport out of Zommari...

[-MaNi-]

i agree, but until i know what her bankai is she has to stick to being 7th place in my view! hopefully we'll see her bankai in the winter war in Karakura town

[Lemora]

I can only really see Soi Fong being at the level of Nel (at full strength of course) - around Nnoitora's level.

[VanquishedAngel]

I have to say it again. But I think that the captains can beat any of the espada under 4 (i.e. .. 5-10).

[fifenfk]

With the exception of the big guns Shunsui,Ukitake and Yama-jii how could possibly take on 1 to 4,though we have yet to see them go all out.

[eneru92]

I think that with just her shikai , hakuda and shunpo abilities she can defeat zomari without much trouble .
However , even at full strenght , I really doubt that she could keep up with ulquiorra , so I believe that she , at her max , is at nnoitra's level .

[UnadvisedGoose]

With the exception of the big guns Shunsui,Ukitake and Yama-jii how could possibly take on 1 to 4,though we have yet to see them go all out.

Agreed, but don't forget that Unohana is supposed to be a BAMF as well. I don't see her being weak by any means.

[Gerra]

As of now, maybe Zommari's lvl..

[NigaDem]

Agreed, but don't forget that Unohana is supposed to be a BAMF as well. I don't see her being weak by any means.

Unohana is a big gun, with a silencer attach :-)

[iHaxAtLife]

Soifon could take espada 5-10

[ginchan]

I think there's always a chance she could triumph against Barragan. well, as long as she does go explaining how her techniques work like she did against Yoruichi in SS.

[Galvatron]

I would say no higher than Grimmjow.

[Rosh]

I think she can par with Grimmjow, Noitra, and I am not sure how she would do against someone like Ulquiorra.

[Rinda Man]

I think she can par with Grimmjow, Noitra, and I am not sure how she would do against someone like Ulquiorra.

she can try to stab him in the eye twice with her speed i guess, but then nn0i reacted to bankai ichigo with no trouble at all so iuno.

[RaeXaike]

You know, she really could defeat a LOT of people with her Shikai if she just lied about what it does. Example: She says that each spot she hits makes a mark, if she makes 3 marks then you die, if she hits one of the marks she's already made it disappears. That way any of the 'smart' people she fights would block her attacks WITH a mark she's made, and die. I gotta say, hers is tied with Mayuri's as the most potentially overpowered Soul Slayer.. Must be something to do with poison, eh?

[Rosh]

You know, she really could defeat a LOT of people with her Shikai if she just lied about what it does. Example: She says that each spot she hits makes a mark, if she makes 3 marks then you die, if she hits one of the marks she's already made it disappears. That way any of the 'smart' people she fights would block her attacks WITH a mark she's made, and die. I gotta say, hers is tied with Mayuri's as the most potentially overpowered Soul Slayer.. Must be something to do with poison, eh?

That’s actually an interesting strategy lie and say it takes 3 hits to kill lol it could actually work on some of the espada. I think Soi Fon is highly underestimated I mean really think about it she can kill in two hits no matter who it is. That’s bad ass!!

[Vyraeil]

I concur that it really depends on the opponent.
Stark > -If Soi Fon was as strong as the Primera, there would be no competition.
Barragun ? -I dunno, I'm holding out for some awesome bankai
Halibel > -Hitsugaya bisectioning was fairly convincingly powerful.
Ulquiorra > -Denied.
Nnoitra < -I like to think that she's better than Kenny, sooooo...
Grimmjow > -Speed is too even, not enough advantage.
Zommari = -Until he releases, then he's dead.
Szayel < -Like she'd let him release properly.
Aaroneiro < -Rukia beat him. End of story.
Yammy > -Because plotkai sucks. In a big way.

She can only beat a few of the Espada in my opinion, so that ranks her pretty low, but the fact that she could probably take out Number 5 puts her about Grimmjow's level, everything taken into account.

[Oxyuranus]

I concur that it really depends on the opponent.
Stark > -If Soi Fon was as strong as the Primera, there would be no competition.
Barragun ? -I dunno, I'm holding out for some awesome bankai
Halibel > -Hitsugaya bisectioning was fairly convincingly powerful.
Ulquiorra > -Denied.
Nnoitra < -I like to think that she's better than Kenny, sooooo...
Grimmjow > -Speed is too even, not enough advantage.
Zommari = -Until he releases, then he's dead.
Szayel < -Like she'd let him release properly.
Aaroneiro < -Rukia beat him. End of story.
Yammy > -Because plotkai sucks. In a big way.

She can only beat a few of the Espada in my opinion, so that ranks her pretty low, but the fact that she could probably take out Number 5 puts her about Grimmjow's level, everything taken into account.

If her shikai has to peirce the skin she anit beating Noi at all, no way, no how, end of story. I'm sorry but no matter how much you want her to be supeior to Kenpachi it just isnt happening in terms of striking force. Since Kenpachi actualy had trouble cutting Noi then it will be nigh impossible for her to do it. Her bankai may prove to be powerful but since we havent seen it, thats a mute point. Personaly I dont think shes touching Grimmjow either. She is a speed racer but Grim is too and very easily much more powerful. Nothing Soi Fon has shown compares to the speed of bankai Ichigo and Bankai ichigi had circels run around him by unreleased Grim. At best she can get to 7 IMO.

[Rosh]

She beat a few espada not many, I would say AA, Noitra, Szayel and Zommari I think thats about all she can take without knowing what her bankai is.

[KingtheKing]

I'd say up to Nnoitra but until i see her bankai or some sort of new power that she will probably use against the Barragan, I can't say for sure. But with just her shikai, I'd say up to Nnoitra.

[Morgoth]

Zommari and that's it, Grim is way faster and more aggresive.

[Rosh]

Zommari and that's it, Grim is way faster and more aggresive.

We dont know if grim is faster but yeah even then I dont think she can beat him.

[kcgperformance]

It was a close decision between Grimmjow and Nnoitra, but I had to go with Grimm because I don't think she could beat kenpachi on her best day on skill alone. Now if she could manage to hit the same place twice she should beat Noi.

[Yadomaru]

We dont know if grim is faster but yeah even then I dont think she can beat him.
Grimmjow is fast enough to keep up with Bankai Ichigo, who was running circles around Byakuya so fast he was leaving afterimages moving in two different directions simultaneously.
Oh yeah, he's faster all right. And even if he ain't, he's an aggressive motherfucker. That said, Soifon could beat him IMO. She'd just get the shit beaten out of her in the process.

[ichigozero]

I'll go with Nnoitra. Although it might prove of a trouble for her with Szayel's methods and Grimmjow's instinctive fighting style. But, she should be able to beat Grimmjow with her shikai. Maybe once she showed her bankai, she may go higher

[Davo1515]

Up to Zommari. I dont think she would be able to beat GJ in released form. The Ichigo that took Byakuya in speed was raped by GJ until he got his mask speed bonus. Only then were they close to equal in speed. The only way i see is if her bankai is increadibly hax or something but since it's not revealed only to Zommari.

[Vyraeil]

If her shikai has to peirce the skin she anit beating Noi at all, no way, no how, end of story. I'm sorry but no matter how much you want her to be supeior to Kenpachi it just isnt happening in terms of striking force. Since Kenpachi actualy had trouble cutting Noi then it will be nigh impossible for her to do it. Her bankai may prove to be powerful but since we havent seen it, thats a mute point. Personaly I dont think shes touching Grimmjow either. She is a speed racer but Grim is too and very easily much more powerful. Nothing Soi Fon has shown compares to the speed of bankai Ichigo and Bankai ichigi had circels run around him by unreleased Grim. At best she can get to 7 IMO.

You speak as if it's laid in stone that;
a) she has to pierce skin (although that does seem likely)
b) she doesn't possess the power to cut Nnoitra in the first place. No one hs a fucking clue how good her reiatsu is.

Oh, and by the way, saying that she's not quicker than Bankai Ichigo is a little bit skeptical as she managed to keep a pace with Yoruichi, who is faster than Bankai Ichigo. So yeah, I'm gonna stay solid with the argument that her speed is too close to Grimmjow's to give an advantage over his actual combat abilities. Released, that is. So Grimmy still wins, but averaged out, I reckon she's still placed at about #6 level.

Oh, I almost forgot
I'm sorry but no matter how much you want her to be supeior to Kenpachi it just isnt happening
LOL
It's funny because you're ripping on my favouritism with more, blatant favouritism.

[Oxyuranus]

You speak as if it's laid in stone that;
a) she has to pierce skin (although that does seem likely)
b) she doesn't possess the power to cut Nnoitra in the first place. No one hs a fucking clue how good her reiatsu is.

Oh, and by the way, saying that she's not quicker than Bankai Ichigo is a little bit skeptical as she managed to keep a pace with Yoruichi, who is faster than Bankai Ichigo. So yeah, I'm gonna stay solid with the argument that her speed is too close to Grimmjow's to give an advantage over his actual combat abilities. Released, that is. So Grimmy still wins, but averaged out, I reckon she's still placed at about #6 level.

Oh, I almost forgot

LOL
It's funny because you're ripping on my favouritism with more, blatant favouritism.


Prove to me that Yoroichi is faster then bankai ichigo. Go ahead, prove it. Show proof of the claim. Oh wait, you cant! Imagine that. Why? Because there is none! Man, what a world we live in. Seriously, considering the speed blitz he did to Byakyua and considering that Yorichi even hinted that Byakyua could catch her if it werent for her being able to perform it a few times more, all of this btw being prior to Ichigo obtaining Bankai basicly means that you have no gauge to compare their speed (ichigo to Yoroichi). At best she (Soi Fon) is around tied with Bankai ichigo in speed and Grimjow raped Ichigo in that department, unreleased.

Regarding the first comments, if you read the very first word in my reply you would see "If". I said nothing laid in stone aside from the strength aspect. We cant use her bankai in this discussion because she hasnt showed us yet and she has already claimed her shikai is her best move. If her bankai proves to give her a hax or increased ability then shall admit defeat but until that happens, her bankai is a mute point. That being said and useing the power she has shown in previous appearences I think its pretty fucking safe to assume that Kenpachi with the eye patch on is much, much, much stronger then what Soi Fon has demonstrated. Im not going to dredge up all of the canon I can use to support this claim but if you read the manga, you know what they are. In comparison she cant compare to his strength i.e striking force, i.e the power backing his sword thrust i,e a sword swing or stab which is most applicble to her shikai and since he (Zaraki) had a hard time cutting Noi she shouldnt be able to at all.. As I said in the last comment, "IF" she has to peirce the skin with her shikai she wont beat Noi . Is that enough clarification? Do you honestly think that when comapreing to Kenpachi's shikai she would even be in the same league of brute force? I mean can you really even suggest her shikai being near his in power or even more so? If you do then lol you man.

Now, with that being said, If she "DOSENT" have to peirce his skin then she probaly will win aginst Noi because she definately has the speed advanatage here. Again, thats were teh IF came in.

In closing, she wont get past Grimjow so debatimng Noi is silly BUT considering Noi's Herrio and the obvious striking advantage kenpachi has over Soi Fon (which is fairly obvious from what we have seem. Soi Fon isnt a brawler, shes a sneaky bitch i.e assasin and dosent excell at brute force) and the trouble he had cutting Noi in the first place I think its safe to assume that if her shikai has to break kin, she looses to Noi.

[pumpkin13]

Zaraki got used to Noi's hierro without powering up. He did not release his eyepatch or anything, he was still at his base strength when he began to be able to cut through Noi's skin, it was jsut that he hadn't fine tuned himself to it.

I would say Shunkou Soifon would be at least on a par with, if not more powerful than base Zaraki. And her shunkou goes hand in hand with her shikai as its a gauntlet type bracer and shunkou utilises Hakuda. So i say she CAN pierce his skin even without bankai. And she has the speed to be able to get in and out of there without him countering considoring he showed no speed whatsoever. I'd put Soifon at least on a par with Nel if not faster, and Nel was all over Noi before she released.

As for against Grimmjow, Byakuya used one of the special onmitsukidou techs that yoruichi taught him and proved to be faster than Zommari. Soifon, being the Commander in Chief of the Onmitsukidou, not only highly likely knows the tech as well as the three previous ones (we know there are at least four) but as the commander in chief is highly likely to be more proficient in them than Byakuya, considoring Yoruichi just taught them to Byakuya as a favour/non-official thing, and he didnt even like using them, so its unlikely he practiced and practiced them until he perfected them. And of course Zommari was supposedly the fastest espada, so theoretically Soifon>Byakuya>Zommari>Grimmjow in terms of speed (YEAH for Bleachmath lol jkz).

[Oxyuranus]

Zaraki got used to Noi's hierro without powering up. He did not release his eyepatch or anything, he was still at his base strength when he began to be able to cut through Noi's skin, it was jsut that he hadn't fine tuned himself to it.

I would say Shunkou Soifon would be at least on a par with, if not more powerful than base Zaraki. And her shunkou goes hand in hand with her shikai as its a gauntlet type bracer and shunkou utilises Hakuda. So i say she CAN pierce his skin even without bankai. And she has the speed to be able to get in and out of there without him countering considoring he showed no speed whatsoever. I'd put Soifon at least on a par with Nel if not faster, and Nel was all over Noi before she released.

As for against Grimmjow, Byakuya used one of the special onmitsukidou techs that yoruichi taught him and proved to be faster than Zommari. Soifon, being the Commander in Chief of the Onmitsukidou, not only highly likely knows the tech as well as the three previous ones (we know there are at least four) but as the commander in chief is highly likely to be more proficient in them than Byakuya, considoring Yoruichi just taught them to Byakuya as a favour/non-official thing, and he didnt even like using them, so its unlikely he practiced and practiced them until he perfected them. And of course Zommari was supposedly the fastest espada, so theoretically Soifon>Byakuya>Zommari>Grimmjow in terms of speed (YEAH for Bleachmath lol jkz).

I respectfully disagree with the power gauge. Zaraki with the patch on CAN increase his strength. He justs swings harder. That, as lol as it may seem is a form of power up. The strength behind the swing is increased. Id say she isnt at a level with base Zaraki at all but I will give you that she may be tied with him swinging at the level when he decide to "adjust".

The speed point is also a good argument BUT that technique that she taught Byakyua can not be applied to Soi Fon. We have no idea if she ever taught it to her so thats mute and since Byakyua needed that technique to beat Zommari you cant really use it to gauge Soi Fons speed potential. Minus that tech there is nothing there to assume that Soi Fon is faster then Bankai Ichigo because there is nothing there to put Soi Fon or Yoricihi leauges ahead of Byakyua in terms of speed and since we cant and since we saw how Ichigo loled Byakyua and since we saw how unreleased Grim made Ichigio look like a snail, by comment remains valid that Grim>Soi Fon in speed.

[pumpkin13]

I find it highly unlikely that the Commander-in-Chief of the Onmitsukidou would not know the four Onmitsukidou techniques. On top of that Soifon was nigh on Yoruichi's nakama during the time she was her bodyguard, this is likely when she would have first learned them, and thus already had a headstart when it came to perfecting them in the main body of the onmitsukidou officer corp.

Empirically you're right, there isn't any evidence, but logically it is well within reason.

[Kaneflame]

Pumpkin it sounds like you're becoming a soi fon fan, you're defending her /gasp. Your hatred is thinning =(.

Post before Pumpkin falls inlove with soi fon : 37 remaining

[pumpkin13]

Bathos, upping her skill level and power and abilities only makes her downfall ever more so sweet.

[Kaneflame]

Lol, right on.

[Grandespada]

nnoitra level but i don't think she could beat anything higher that him.

[shinji]

I'd say Noitra's level but i'd like to see how her bankai and shunkou would work together, although it could be useless as her bankai really hinders her speed.

[Keiretsu]

I'd say Nnoitra. We don't know if the poison would effect someone with the level of healing power like Ulquiorra. I'm going to hold off judgment on the top three until those fights are resolved. Although, I seriously doubt she could beat Stark if Kubo is going to use him as a means to showcase a captain like Shunsui. (Or it could turn into another Byakuya vs Zommari.)