Naruto's Elemental Training

[PervySage12]

Kishimoto is giving each of his characters their elemental chakra in correspondence to the astrological classical Japanese elements. (Fire, Water, Wind, Earth and Void (lightning)) Sasuke was born in July under the Fire and Void Element Sign and has Fire and Lightning element jutsu. Naruto was born in October and is born under the sign of Wind and Water. So it follows that Naruto's second element might be water. Now, the balance btwn the elements works as follows: Water>Fire>Wind>Lightning>Earth
So based on my understanding, Naruto learning water element jutsu would provide a balance btwn his and Sasuke's powers as long as lightning>water? If not then learning water would give Naruto the elemental advantage. But even though this makes sense I guess my main question is who will train Naruto now that everyone is dead? Will he continue is training under Yamato or will he finally take over his training and create some original jutsu? So I guess this thread is should answer (a) if you think Naruto will learn a new element and if so which one (b) how will Naruto train for the new jutsu and (c) some possibilities for new water based jutsu and water/wind combined attacks.

[camarofan2008]

I figured he combine both water and wind to form a sort of storm jutsu style. That has been my theory for awhile. Also Naruto might if he can figure out how Minato did it the Flying thunder God jutsu. I know that one is being discussed in length on the other thread. Good research there Pervy on the element and astrological stuff.

[PervySage12]

That would be nice. Like an attack with the power of a tsunami. Yea i personally dont think Naruto will learn that tech but i do want him to create a high speed elemental jutsu possibly using the power of the wind to move super fast or fly.

[Boxfresh]

Water would make the most sense since his mom was from the whirlpool village (I don't know if that means anything). I could see him using water as his support jutsu and wind as his offense one, but who knows. With this story going on as it is anything is possible.

[djray]

tsunami...more like a hurricane...hence hurricane chronicles

[PervySage12]

tsunami and hurricane are same thing just diff names for diff places

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/337/16/

[Infinitekaos]

Tsunami's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami) and Hurricane's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane) are different. But that's beside the point.

I definately think that Naruto's next element will be water. There are many subtle hints and cover arts that point in this direction.

His last name means spiral (Like a Hurricane)
His mother is from the Whirlpool country
Sasuke's Elements are Lightning and Fire, the counter to those repsectively is Wind and Water

There are more but that's the short list. Of course he could go the entirity of the manga without a 2nd element.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Tsunami's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami) and Hurricane's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane) are different. But that's beside the point.

I definately think that Naruto's next element will be water. There are many subtle hints and cover arts that point in this direction.

His last name means spiral (Like a Hurricane)
His mother is from the Whirlpool country
Sasuke's Elements are Lightning and Fire, the counter to those repsectively is Wind and Water

There are more but that's the short list. Of course he could go the entirity of the manga without a 2nd element.

I hope he doesn't go through the entirety of the manga without a second Element.

And, yeah, I do agree that his second Element will most likely be Water. And if it's possible to train for and master all 5 Elements, especially using the power of a Bijuu, then I hope Naruto can do it. It would definitely make Minato proud. Even more proud of his son than he already is.

Also, since Minato didn't tell Naruto about his or Kushina's names, I hope Tsunade does. I want to see how Naruto reacts to the fact that he was only given his mother's name, and not his father's.

[Tidal Wave]

what's going on here?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/337/16/
I could never really figure out who is doing what and I assumed Yamato and and Naruto combined their jutsu... but it also seems reasonable it's both naruto's

[Tank]

It was Naruto and Yamato combining their techniques. Naruto can't do water.

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000337/18-19.jpg

They're next to each other like the techniques were and they're both holding their arms.

[Seanc]

Naruto's only affinity is wind. So it could theoretically be any one of them. But if he HAS to learn another one I'd go with water as well.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Previous page: Yeah, Naruto, currently, only has Wind. Which means that that combination there in Chapter 337 was done by combining Yamato's Water Jutsu and Naruto's Wind Rasengan.

@Above post: Yeah, I agree. Water would be the best bet. But I think that since a Jinchuuriki has a chance to learn all 5 (one of the Jinchuuriki Itachi and Kisame fought could do that), Naruto also has to be given a chance to do that as well.

[tbrooks]

Previous page: Yeah, Naruto, currently, only has Wind. Which means that that combination there in Chapter 337 was done by combining Yamato's Water Jutsu and Naruto's Wind Rasengan.

@Above post: Yeah, I agree. Water would be the best bet. But I think that since a Jinchuuriki has a chance to learn all 5 (one of the Jinchuuriki Itachi and Kisame fought could do that), Naruto also has to be given a chance to do that as well.

I think that was the four tailed bijuu's power.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Ah. Well, my bad, then. But since we've seen in the fight against Orochimaru in Part 2 that the Kyuubi's chakra burns things,--incinerates them, actually--I think it's possible that Naruto might be able to master Fire because of the Kyuubi. We'll see, though.

[AzureFeatherfly]

Ah. Well, my bad, then. But since we've seen in the fight against Orochimaru in Part 2 that the Kyuubi's chakra burns things,--incinerates them, actually--I think it's possible that Naruto might be able to master Fire because of the Kyuubi. We'll see, though.

Water is the best bet.

I for one hate Sasuke down to the deepest core, however the possibility of him dying without fighting with Naruto against Madara is slim to none.

With Wind and Water, Naruto has all the elements needed to counter Sasuke's.

However Naruto would also have the elements needed to team up with Sasuke. Wind strengthens Fire while Water strengthens Lightning.

The unchangeable fact that they team up calls for a variety in their skill areas.

[skipshark]

Honestly with the rate at which he was able to learn wind, I wouldn't be surprised that he - by the end of the manga - is able to learn all 5. He might even make an improvement on the fuuton rasenshuriken (long range of course). But yes, I think the next one will most likely be water.

[Infinitekaos]

Honestly with the rate at which he was able to learn wind, I wouldn't be surprised that he - by the end of the manga - is able to learn all 5. He might even make an improvement on the fuuton rasenshuriken (long range of course). But yes, I think the next one will most likely be water.

How much more improvement does FRS need? It can now be thrown and pretty much decimates anything in its path. Does it need to slice people into smaller chunks?

But it would be cool to see Naruto with all 5, but for some reason that really just doesn't fit Naruto's combat style. Maybe 1 more element, if any, is what I think will happen.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

How much more improvement does FRS need? It can now be thrown and pretty much decimates anything in its path. Does it need to slice people into smaller chunks?

But it would be cool to see Naruto with all 5, but for some reason that really just doesn't fit Naruto's combat style. Maybe 1 more element, if any, is what I think will happen.

First paragraph: Good point. I agree completely here. I just hope he still uses the Rasen Shurken as a close-range attack from time to time. I want to see what it does now that it's one-hundred percent complete.

Second paragraph: I think that, because of the Kyuubi's chakra being associated with fire (it can burn the air and anything it touches--Orochimaru's snakes got burnt on contact from touching Four-Tail Naruto), I think when Naruto masters the Kyuubi's chakra he should be able to use Fire-element techniques because of it. But he'd need to especially draw on the Kyuubi's chakra for it, since he'd already be able to do Wind and Water with his own chakra--and Water and Fire being opposites, he wouldn't be able to use both with his own chakra.

^Nice, man. That makes sense.

[lurch]

Well as stated before on the manga or anime.
Wind will thrive in fire so if the 9 tails is under control then the Rasen Shurken will become more powerful if combined.

[Tank]

Has it ever been stated that the Kyuubi is fire? All of his moves have either been physical or made out of pure chakra. If Naruto controls the Kyuubi, there's nothing to say he would master fire then. Even if Kyuubi was fire, Naruto using the Kyuubi wouldn't mean that he would be able to use the Kyuubi's chakra affinity, if there even is one.

The reason Naruto's skin was burned off when Kyuubi chakra starts to come out is because the sheer amount of it and the power it has is too much for the human body to handle, so it damages the body. It doesn't mean "burn" like fire burns.

Besides, the Rasenshuriken doesn't need to get any stronger. It's already a one-hit kill on anybody.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Has it ever been stated that the Kyuubi is fire? All of his moves have either been physical or made out of pure chakra. If Naruto controls the Kyuubi, there's nothing to say he would master fire then. Even if Kyuubi was fire, Naruto using the Kyuubi wouldn't mean that he would be able to use the Kyuubi's chakra affinity, if there even is one.

The reason Naruto's skin was burned off when Kyuubi chakra starts to come out is because the sheer amount of it and the power it has is too much for the human body to handle, so it damages the body. It doesn't mean "burn" like fire burns.

Besides, the Rasenshuriken doesn't need to get any stronger. It's already a one-hit kill on anybody.

Didn't you read that part of my post where I said that Orochimaru's snakes got burned on contact when they touched Four-Tailed Kyuubi Naruto? Sai also said something about the Kyuubi's chakra "burning the air". Not only that, but in the fight against Deidara, when Naruto was going 2-Tail Kyuubi mode and had Shadow Clones out, those clones also felt it and that one clone near Kakashi reacted to how hot it felt.

Also, there's a possibility that being able to control the Kyuubi's chakra might let Naruto control the Kyuubi's chakra affinity.

Another thing that comes to mind is the relationship between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha Clan are born as Fire-controlling shinobi, and one of the strongest techniques of the Mangkekyou Sharingan is the Amaterasu, a fire technique. We even learned that the Mangekyou Sharingan lets the user control the Kyuubi. That's how Madara was able to do it. http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/15/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/16/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/17/

Also, no one is really saying that the Rasen Shuriken needs another power boost. We're only saying it'll get one in this case.

And....what was that about being able to kill anyone in one hit? If that were the case, then Kakuzu should also have died in one hit. But all that happened was that, according to Pain or someone else Akatsuki, two of Kakuzu's "hearts" were taken out by it. Kakashi finished him by taking out his last remaining heart with Raikiri.

[Tank]

Didn't you read that part of my post where I said that Orochimaru's snakes got burned on contact when they touched Four-Tailed Kyuubi Naruto? Sai also said something about the Kyuubi's chakra "burning the air". Not only that, but in the fight against Deidara, when Naruto was going 2-Tail Kyuubi mode and had Shadow Clones out, those clones also felt it and that one clone near Kakashi reacted to how hot it felt.

You're putting too much emphasis on the word "burn". Burn =/= fire. His chakra is just so strong and so numerous that hardly anything can handle it, and it "burns" as an effect. It's not fire.

Also, there's a possibility that being able to control the Kyuubi's chakra might let Naruto control the Kyuubi's chakra affinity.

We don't know if it happens like that, or if Kyuubi even has a chakra affinity; he's made of chakra.

Another thing that comes to mind is the relationship between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha Clan are born as Fire-controlling shinobi, and one of the strongest techniques of the Mangkekyou Sharingan is the Amaterasu, a fire technique. We even learned that the Mangekyou Sharingan lets the user control the Kyuubi. That's how Madara was able to do it. http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/15/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/16/, http://onemanga.com/Naruto/385/17/

The Uchiha clan using fire doesn't mean that the Kyuubi uses fire.

And....what was that about being able to kill anyone in one hit? If that were the case, then Kakuzu should also have died in one hit. But all that happened was that, according to Pain or someone else Akatsuki, two of Kakuzu's "hearts" were taken out by it. Kakashi finished him by taking out his last remaining heart with Raikiri.

Yes, he literally killed Kukazu. Two and a half times!

[chinaman1472]

It's not going to be fire, and it's Kyuubi chakra isn't fire. It's just that the chakra is that intense.

The next possibility besides water is no other element if you look at his character, relying on very few techniques and methods. He's just able to maximize the potential usage of the few things he uses.

In fact, aside from FRS, he has no wind jutsus at all, and he's only utilized in FRS and that random occasion with Yamoto.

Kakazu was a special exception, and possibly Hidan. Kakazu was also pretty much immobilzed after the contact FRS since Kakashi casually walked up to him and finished him off. FRS has pretty much one shotted anything it touched, like most of Pein's bodies. No one has shown any real durability to take that kind of hit without a special technique (even Kakazu was able to shrug off an explosive tag, but I doubt he enabled that technique when he got hit by FRS), say perhaps Susanoo for example.

I think Kishimoto is avoiding Naruto killing anyone because it's truly not his character at all. It's never been his motive until Pein came around and even then, his resolve to kill isn't quite solidified. It'll be huge character development when Naruto does, and Kishi's going to try to pick the best victim essentially.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

@Tank, all right, then, you win.

@Chinaman: I do hope you're right than Naruto will be able to kill.

And actually, like someone said earlier, it's not really like he doesn't have the nerve to kill. He's already used to fighting with the intent to kill. For example, if it hadn't been for Kabuto's abilities, that Rasengan would've freaking killed him (from Part 1, in the chapter where he successfully used the Rasengan for the first time, against Kabuto).

There are lots of instances in the manga where Naruto would've killed his opponent if it hadn't been for something happening. So he always does try to kill his opponents, it's just that he's never exactly able to, for their abilities or for some other reason.

And, if I recall, unless Mizuki survived somehow, Naruto actually did kill him when he'd beat up on him mercilessly with over a thousand clones. It was toward the end of the first chapter.

[chinaman1472]

^ I stand corrected on Mizuki.

I guess what I meant was that Naruto does have the intent to kill (he is a ninja, they're trained to do so), but it's that he's developed into a character that refuses to lose a fight rather than killing his opponent to win.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, but I'm sure that if he needs to, he'll be able to suck it up and go for the kill. Besides, I'm sure that to be Hokage, he at least needs to have it in him to be able to kill if need be.

[Infinitekaos]

Don't forget that the FRS that killed Kukazu 2.5 times was only about half complete. The FRS that disentigrated Human Realm a few chapters back would have killed all 5 of Kukazu's hearts.

I would like to see more Fuuton moves from Naruto, but also other moves. The 4-tail Jinchuuriki mastered elemental fusion and created Lava Element with the help of his Bijuu. It would be badass if Naruto could do that. But it almost seems as though the Kyuubi is just too powerful to control 100%. Time will tell.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Full control over a Bijuu requires the Host to have a good, mutual relationship with his or her Bijuu. And I reckon that the Kyuubi will need to be tamed first. After that, there will be a good and trusting relationship between it and Naruto, so the Kyuubi will let Naruto control its power completely. Or at least, I hope so.

[PervySage12]

We wont see FRS used close range anymore because of the effect on the user.

@bankaiichigo - I'm not seeing a good and trusting relationship btwn Naruto and a broken Kyuubi. I think he will be able to use the kyuubi at his will but only cause he has the key. I think that the key and the fact that it is the yin (feminine) chakra will come in to play in explaining his control. Kyuubi doesnt have the same kind of friendly disposition as Hibi. At best I can see something similar to his relationship with Gamabunta when he gets stronger. But even then the Kyuubi should be lending his power reluctantly.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

We wont see FRS used close range anymore because of the effect on the user.

@bankaiichigo - I'm not seeing a good and trusting relationship btwn Naruto and a broken Kyuubi. I think he will be able to use the kyuubi at his will but only cause he has the key. I think that the key and the fact that it is the yin (feminine) chakra will come in to play in explaining his control. Kyuubi doesnt have the same kind of friendly disposition as Hibi. At best I can see something similar to his relationship with Gamabunta when he gets stronger. But even then the Kyuubi should be lending his power reluctantly.

Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure that the Kyuubi can be tamed. And he (referring to Kyuubi as "he") will demand that Naruto defeat him first, when Naruto comes and asks to put their differences aside and form a good, mutual relationship. When Naruto proves himself, that's when the Kyuubi will surrender himself and willingly form that bond with Naruto and the two will become partners in battle. That's what I'm hoping for.

[lurch]

You actually think naruto is going to tame the devil or even make a deal with him, BS.

He will find a way to bind his powers for his own use, not like how hichigo was tamed in the inner world of ichigo.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

You actually think naruto is going to tame the devil or even make a deal with him, BS.

He will find a way to bind his powers for his own use, not like how hichigo was tamed in the inner world of ichigo.

Killer Bee tamed the Eight-Tailed Beast and formed a mutual relationship with it, did he not? And he also said that for a Host, to fully control their Bijuu means to have a mutual and partnership type relationship with it, meaning that the host and the demon inside that host need to be partners in battle, so that when former gets caught in a genjutsu, the latter can snap the former out of it by releasing chakra into forme's body, like how the Eight-Tailed Beast did for Killer Bee.

That said, since I'm sure that by the end of the series, Naruto will have full control over the Kyuubi, this has to happen.

[lurch]

The demon for the 2 tails and 8 may have been more cooperative. I just don't see the 9 tails as being submissive at all.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

And I still think it can be done. Just give Naruto a chance, all right?

[lurch]

Well the story is already set IMO so what ever happens is on the author.
Is demon fire an actual element? I mean they each seem to lean towards a certain element but is it the same.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

"Demon Fire"? I do think the Kyuubi's affinity is Fire, and that Naruto can learn to use it by drawing on the Kyuubi's chakra, but some people think otherwise. We'll just have to see though. But Naruto's Second Element is most likely Water.

[Lnrd]

I've read someone's post saying it's impossible for Naruto to learn fire and water because fire < water so his chakra wouldn't be able to utilize it because they're opposites on the elemental wheel. (I wouldn't necessarily say opposites, just one holds dominion over the other) However, Kakashi can utilize earth and water elemental jutsus using his own chakra. And on the elemental wheel, water < earth. So it is possible for Naruto to use "opposite" elements with his own chakra.

But, his next element for sure is going to be water.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Well, yeah, that's all true, he probably can't easily use opposite elements with his own chakra. That's why I was thinking that if the Kyuub's chakra is associated with Fire, he could draw on the Kyuubi's chakra when wanting to use Katon no Jutsu.

[Lnrd]

Okay, I see.

[B_K_E]

I'd probably say his next jutsu would be water, since his wind types already nullifies Sasuke's lightning right? Then he would probably want to learn water to nullify his fire.

Personally I think its stupid how he's chasing Sasuke the whole time, I hate Sasuke in this show to be honest.

[Infinitekaos]

I'd probably say his next jutsu would be water, since his wind types already nullifies Sasuke's lightning right? Then he would probably want to learn water to nullify his fire.

Personally I think its stupid how he's chasing Sasuke the whole time, I hate Sasuke in this show to be honest.

That's the thing about Sasuke, you either are a die hard fan, or you hate him. I personally hate him. If I were Naruto and I was assaulted and nearly killed by a guy more than once, he wouldn't exactly be my best friend anymore.

But unfortunately Sasuke is where Kishi is aiming Naruto, so it makes sense that his jutsu are probably gonna be counter to Sasuke's.

[PervySage12]

Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure that the Kyuubi can be tamed. And he (referring to Kyuubi as "he") will demand that Naruto defeat him first, when Naruto comes and asks to put their differences aside and form a good, mutual relationship. When Naruto proves himself, that's when the Kyuubi will surrender himself and willingly form that bond with Naruto and the two will become partners in battle. That's what I'm hoping for.

How exactly do you figure Naruto will defeat the Kyuubi? And what aspect of the Kyuubi's character would make you think he'd "surrender himself and willingly form that bond with Naruto and the two will become partners in battle."? I hope that what you hope for does not happen. Not in that way.

That's the thing about Sasuke, you either are a die hard fan, or you hate him. I personally hate him. If I were Naruto and I was assaulted and nearly killed by a guy more than once, he wouldn't exactly be my best friend anymore.

But unfortunately Sasuke is where Kishi is aiming Naruto, so it makes sense that his jutsu are probably gonna be counter to Sasuke's.

I neither love or hate Sauce. He's the coolest emotionally weak character ever. I don't feel he is deserving of such powerful emotions.

[B_K_E]

The funny thing about the Kyuubi was when Naruto almost went into the 9 tails form and his father appeared, his father and the Kyuubi acted as if they were long lost friends. The Kyuubi might listen to his father instead of Naruto right? Since Naruto's father was the one that put the Kyuubi inside Naruto in the first place.

[PervySage12]

The funny thing about the Kyuubi was when Naruto almost went into the 9 tails form and his father appeared, his father and the Kyuubi acted as if they were long lost friends. The Kyuubi might listen to his father instead of Naruto right? Since Naruto's father was the one that put the Kyuubi inside Naruto in the first place.

You must have read a different chapter than everyone else

[lurch]

Okay you guys think water is next because it nulls out fire....
Sasukes move with the MS is going to burn right through any simple water move like Greek fire or evaporate it.

Water is also a conductor for electricity.

I can see some advantages to water but in combo with wind VS. fire and lightning how would that really help?
I mean would fire would neutralize?

Not to mention the demon chakra compared to the fires of hell from MS black sun

[Nephi]

I'm also the opinion that water will be narutos next element.

- If we take a closer look on his name (Uzumaki) means Whirpool. I think that refers to water..kinda :P

- His first element (wind) is strong against lightning and water would be strong against fire. And also it should be mentioned that wind strengthens fire and water lightning, if Sasuke and Naruto would team up.

- His mother was from the whirepool country.

- Yamato could train him the water element cause he's "more" alive then kakashi and has water affinity.

- Naruto and yamato already combined these two elements quite awesome. And I doubt they trained that jutsu that would confirm that Naruto is somehow "used/capable" to/for water.

- I connect toads with water...so this would also fit in a way

:P ok that was more a like collection of all already mentioned points and one or two from myself

:nod:

[Infinitekaos]

Okay you guys think water is next because it nulls out fire....
Sasukes move with the MS is going to burn right through any simple water move like Greek fire or evaporate it.

Water is also a conductor for electricity.

I can see some advantages to water but in combo with wind VS. fire and lightning how would that really help?
I mean would fire would neutralize?

Not to mention the demon chakra compared to the fires of hell from MS black sun

Well, Amaratsu aside, sasuke uses a combination of Koton and Raiton jutsu's. Naruto's affinity for wind will nullify Sasuke's lightning advantage but strengthen his fire jutsus. As for water, it will nullify Sasuke's fire jutsu and probably strengthen or support Sasuke's Lightning. So it would make them equal opponents and/or perfect support for one and other.

[B_K_E]

Well, Amaratsu aside, sasuke uses a combination of Koton and Raiton jutsu's. Naruto's affinity for wind will nullify Sasuke's lightning advantage but strengthen his fire jutsus. As for water, it will nullify Sasuke's fire jutsu and probably strengthen or support Sasuke's Lightning. So it would make them equal opponents and/or perfect support for one and other.

You'd think that if Sasuke would use a fire jutsu that Naruto's wind jutsu would just blow the fire back at Sasuke with even more force, since it makes it stronger. Same with the water jutsu, when Sasuke comes running at him, just engulf him in some water so he electricutes himself lol.

[PervySage12]

I think people are getting confused by the diagram of elemental weaknesses. (or maybe I'm confused so let's clarify)

The elemental diagram only shows the one element that is superior to any given element. i.e. Wind's weakness is fire, fire - water, water - earth, etc. So according to the diagram, water jutsu are weak against earth jutsu. I know that water conducts lightning, but that does not make water jutsu weak against lightning jutsu. Trying to apply that sort of knowledge would mean that lightning jutsu are weak against fire jutsu and fire jutsu are weaker than earth jutsu. I don't think it's supposed to work that way.

That would give each elemental jutsu two weaknesses and two advantages. Now that's actually starting to make more sense so now i'm confused. If this is right then Sasuke and Naruto would be even when it comes to the elemental advantage. Otherwise, Naruto would have the advantage. Under this method I believe the strength (class) of the jutsu determine whether water would overpower lightning or vice versa. Does anyone have any solid proof if the weakness diagram applies to more than just the adjacent elements?

water nullifies fire N
*water strengthens lightning S
wind strengthens fire S
lightning strengthens wind N

[B_K_E]

I know that during the manga I believe it was either Kakashi or Yamato that told Naruto when he learned that he was the Wind type, that wind makes fire stronger. Unless I took what they said in a different meaning or something. This applies to real life as well, we know that wind makes fire spread quicker and more destruction, so I don't see any reason why this isn't true. Same thing with the lightning and water, lightning in water would make the water more dangerous to the enemy and destructive to the nervous system.

[BigBoogerBot]

well if naruto learns water, that just leaves Earth. Maybe Sakura will learn earth jutsu? That would make all 5.

[PervySage12]

I know that during the manga I believe it was either Kakashi or Yamato that told Naruto when he learned that he was the Wind type, that wind makes fire stronger. Unless I took what they said in a different meaning or something. This applies to real life as well, we know that wind makes fire spread quicker and more destruction, so I don't see any reason why this isn't true. Same thing with the lightning and water, lightning in water would make the water more dangerous to the enemy and destructive to the nervous system.

You didn't answer my question you just repeated whats already been posted. Except you're saying that lightning strengthens water instead of the other way around. If anything water strengthens lightning, otherwise the diagram would not make sense.

[B_K_E]

Lightning does make water stronger, would it hurt more to be hit by just plain water, or electrified water more? How would water make lightning stronger? It would just make it feel like you were being hit by forced electricity or something.

[Infinitekaos]

To answer your question above PervySage, I don't know if lightning or water makes the other stronger or what not. We only know about the elemental advantages about the elements directly next to them in the element diagram. But in my opinion there doesn't have to be only those connections, those are only the most obvious to me. But you are right, there is no manga proof that lightning and water would work together. This is only based on everyone's real world knowledge that water is a great conductor of electricity. However, we all know how much of Naruto applies to the real world...

[PervySage12]

thanks infinite. that was my whole point. i figure all the elements should have advantages or disadvantages to the two elements that are not adjacent on the diagram but trying to use logic does not make sense. like bke says lightning strengthens water but you cant determine that from the diagram. thats just us applying logic from our world to a world that does not conform to the same rules. but what i wanted to point out is that saying water>lightning goes against the flow of the diagram. but then again i dont see how lightning is weaker than fire

[B_K_E]

They were probably like "Hey fire and lightning don't have a connection yet." "Oh ok, lets just make lightning weaker than fire since everyone knows that."

Lol.

[Infinitekaos]

They were probably like "Hey fire and lightning don't have a connection yet." "Oh ok, lets just make lightning weaker than fire since everyone knows that."

Lol.

Yea, some connections are obvious. Water > Fire....duh... But others like Earth > Water and Lightning > Earth are kinda random in the manga just to make everything have a strength and a weakness it seems.

Earth > Water is and example of a real world weird relationship because water with enough pressure can cut through pretty much anything. In fact, my company uses a water jet to make cuts through stainless steel. But I suppose Earth needs to be better than something.

[B_K_E]

Earth > Water is and example of a real world weird relationship because water with enough pressure can cut through pretty much anything. In fact, my company uses a water jet to make cuts through stainless steel. But I suppose Earth needs to be better than something.

Not to mention, if someone was made of stone and they jumped in water, wouldn't they sink all the way to the bottom? Lol.

[lurch]

Lightning does make water stronger, would it hurt more to be hit by just plain water, or electrified water more? How would water make lightning stronger? It would just make it feel like you were being hit by forced electricity or something.

Episode 85 or so shikumaru(sp?) used water and electricity in combination but some of that was filler so take that with a grain of salt.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, if it was spoiler, we can't give it any credit. And, by the way, it's "Shikamaru".