Komamura vs Zommari

[Kode_Kenneth]

Just decided to make a random match-up. This match-up is very clear and shouldn't be hard to decide. I will have to go with Zommari in this case.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

Zommari should win based on speed but if one of Komamura's bankai attacks connect...Zommari dies

[Hibari]

Zomari would win due to his speed and being able to control body parts. Komomura is big and strong like his bankai but their speed is not good. If Komomura gets direct hits on Zomari then there might be a way for him to win but other then that Komomura is dead.

[Captainarmstead]

Komamura wins based on the fact that if he get hit with Amor he still can hit him with another attack. Amor works by taking control of a body part and Komanru will just drop his other arm, which is giant, on Zommari. Game over Zommari.

[Afrojack]

Not if Zommari seizes his head. But even if he didn't, I doubt Zommari is slow enough to get hit. Zommari takes it.

[kochito22]

I'm reserving judgement until I see more from Komamura.

[Vergil]

What if Zommari targets Komamura's head which is so big????

[CaptainDean]

komamura would win as zommari is far too slow his release form is practically stationary and byakuya didnt have too much trouble with him so komamura could definetly take him he just needs to use his speed to his advantage

[kochito22]

Yeah, Byakuya didn't have too much difficulty. He just got a severed arm and leg.

[Guts]

Zomari's ability to control body parts would work perfectly on Komamura's bankai, which is essentially a person. Although there is no brain to invade, all Zomari needs to control are the 4 limbs.

[Kode_Kenneth]

Well I am glad to see some responses. But the fact that Komamura isn't a speed based fighter makes me believe he doesn't stand a chance. I mean Zommari doesn't neccessarily have to release to beat Komamura. Komamura would have to test Zommari first with his base form. Come to think of it, we haven't seen Komamura's shikai 0_0. Anyway Komamura would haveto see what he is up against without having to use bankai, and that is where Komamaura has a complete disadvantage. Zommari's speed + his ability makes him ahead in the fight, and I don't see how Komamura would use bankai as it is slow and not increase his speed in anyway 0_0. ok if we assumed Komamura released his bankai, it won't do him any good since Zommari would have to do some thing so threatening which is to release. So I don't see how Komamura ever stands a chance cos in Zommari's released form since Zommari can take full control of Komamura. It isn't likely for Komamura to land a single hit.

[Mikeno]

Just to clear things up.. we have seen Koma's shikai.. He used it against Aizen on Soukyoku hill.. You remember.. Aizen grasped it with his hand.. his shikai just manifests the particular body part that Koma desires..

As far as this match-up goes it would seem as though Koma is at a disadvantage.. He hasn't SHOWN the kidou or shunpo skill necessary to defeat an opponent like Zommari.. although I'm not sold on Zoma being able to defeat Koma unreleased.. And maybe the release would provide the opening Koma would need to Bankai-bash Zoma..

I've played this one out several times and although I'm leaning towards Zoma.. I can't really decide yet..

[Soujirou]

Very few people of the bleach world can defeat Zommari's Amor, and Komamura isn't one of them, the ones that got a shot against Zommari are the extremely fast ones and the kido masters.

[Gerra]

Komamura might be too slow to win so Zommari most probably takes this..

[justin43]

This is possibly the worst espada for Komamura to fight between 7-10. Komamura lacks the speed to dodge Zommari's Amor ability. Zommari wins quite easily by targeting his head.

[GarraoftheGravel]

If he is wearing another helmit like we've seen in the past then how can he target the head (FYI, I'm not taking sides, I just like to challenge people), but I agree, there's no way Komamura can match his speed.

Mikeno- I don't believe they ever said that the manifestation of limbs was his Shikai.

[Andrethegiant]

If he is wearing another helmit like we've seen in the past then how can he target the head (FYI, I'm not taking sides, I just like to challenge people), but I agree, there's no way Komamura can match his speed.

Mikeno- I don't believe they ever said that the manifestation of limbs was his Shikai.

Why would the helmet stop it? It worked through clothes on Byakuya. No evidence to suggest the helmet has some sort of protection against that.

[Spectre]

Komamura' Ban Kai is the worst case ever if it were to oppose Zommari' Amore!! Since his Ban Kai is an organic being, Zommari takes control of his Ban Kai and GAME OVER!!

[Mikeno]

Mikeno- I don't believe they ever said that the manifestation of limbs was his Shikai.

You're right it hasn't been SAID.. it's been SHOWN..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSaEO3-MobE

And in case one is too lazy to watch the whole video it is obviously not his Bankai because if it were there would have been no need to utter BANKAI before Aizen OMGWTF black-boxed him..

[GarraoftheGravel]

Andrethegiant, please don't think that I believe his helmit could stop anything (that's just stupid) I was simply pointing out a possibility (and a helmit isn't exactly the same as clothes).

Mikeno, we don't know if that was his Shikai, for all we now it could've been another form of his bankai (all we know is that a giant sword was swung at Aizen that was similar to the one in his Bankai).

[kochito22]

Komamura' Ban Kai is the worst case ever if it were to oppose Zommari' Amore!! Since his Ban Kai is an organic being, Zommari takes control of his Ban Kai and GAME OVER!!

That's odd. Byakuya's an organic being yet Zommari didn't beat him.

[Afrojack]

That's because Byakuya needed a nice win under his belt even though Zommari obviously could have captured his head right from the start, as Byakuya didn't even realize what had hit him until his arm started moving on its own.

[kmand1000]

Yeah Zommari shoulda beat Byakuya. He's too arrogant. He'll beat Komamura. Komamura just doesn't impress me...

[Soujirou]

Again, Zomari would win only because of his AMOR, no contest, and as a matter off fact
kmand1000, Komamura doesn't impress anyone but myself.

@Afrojack but Ichigo would definitively win right, he would be like "there is something very strange about those eyes, i really got to avoid contact with them", and so would Kenpachi.

[Afrojack]

I never said anything of the sort. You're choosing to make things personal based on the fact that I don't hate the characters that you do. Rather pointless.

[Mikeno]

Mikeno, we don't know if that was his Shikai, for all we now it could've been another form of his bankai (all we know is that a giant sword was swung at Aizen that was similar to the one in his Bankai).

Sword and Fist.. or were you..

..too lazy to watch the whole video.. it is obviously not his Bankai because if it were there would have been no need to utter BANKAI before Aizen OMGWTF black-boxed him..

Why would he have his bankai out.. but then say bankai..? Must everything be directly told to you from Kubo's mouth.. don't be a sheep man.. it's obviously not his bankai or a sealed zan maneuver (seeing as sealed zans don't exhibit any abilities outside of soul burial).. so what do we have left..?

[Death_plus1]

I would say Zommari takes, this due to his extreme speed. Komamura cannot, even in his bankai, keep up with him. Although, one good shot and not even the seventh espada could survive, or at least he would be so injured that he would be screwed.

[GarraoftheGravel]

Mikeno, please don't insult me, just like you (assuming you do) I read the translated manga as soon as it comes out, and yes I saw the fist (because the sword is larger I thought it would make a stronger statement to point out it instead of the fist). Plus I'm not lazy, I must've skimmed through 30 chapters looking for this exact page: http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-175-page-23.html

And here's my proof, fallow the link and go to frame- 04:09, you'll also hear a "demonic cry" in the background that could sound like his bankai (it's faint but still there).
http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/bleach+62#watch%3Dv16897996xS9dyAc7

[Mikeno]

Mikeno, please don't insult me..

Chillax.. you refusing to see the signs = sheepish behavior.. sorry you feel that to be some great slight to your pride..

just like you (assuming you do) I read the translated manga as soon as it comes out, and yes I saw the fist (because the sword is larger I thought it would make a stronger statement to point out it instead of the fist). Plus I'm not lazy, I must've skimmed through 30 chapters looking for this exact page: http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-175-page-23.html

Well since you follow the manga closely this understanding should come easy to you.. that is not the first time Koma has used Tenken..

Exhibit A (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/139/12)
Exhibit B (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/139/17)
Exhibit C (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/148/17)
Exhibit D (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/175/20)
Exhibit E (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/176/10)
Exhibit F (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/176/11)

-Exhibit A and D are the most damning.. at the top of the manga you see the thrust of the giant sword...... at the bottom you see no giant samurai..
-Exhibit B he says his zans name Tenken.. not his bankai name.. which is Kokujoutengenmyouou..
-Exhibit E shows that it is not limited to just his sword arm..
-Exhibit C and F are evidence against it being bankai.. because if it were indeed his bankai there would be no need to say bankai again.. of course unless Koma likes spewing the unnecessary forth from his mouth.. but so far as the manga has shown Koma is a man/fox of few words.. but he does carry a big stick.. lol..

Also a bankai master has no need to say their zans name to release shikai.. think about it..

And here's my proof, fallow the link and go to frame- 04:09, you'll also hear a "demonic cry" in the background that could sound like his bankai (it's faint but still there).
http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/bleach+62#watch%3Dv16897996xS9dyAc7

Au contraire mon frere.. if that's what passes as proof for you then you have failed the argument even before pressing "reply.."

If you just waited the few more seconds after the evidence you claim to be in frame 4:09 you would plainly see that in the next few moments after that in the frame at 4:26 there is nothing but the backdrop of Soukyoku Hill..

:guitar1: rock on :guitar:

[Baishin]

Zommari's too fast for Komamura, its a tortoise/hare thing.

@ Mikeno: The perspective is the reason that you can't see the giant behind the building. It's like standing in front of a skyscraper and expecting to see the statue of liberty behind it eventhough its taller.

[Sarvik]

Ability wise Zommari should easily win this, although his retardation could become a problem.

[Mikeno]

@ Mikeno: The perspective is the reason that you can't see the giant behind the building. It's like standing in front of a skyscraper and expecting to see the statue of liberty behind it eventhough its taller.

So you are of the same mindset that it is his bankai..? Did you look at both manga pages where he used his shikai..? I'm sorry when Koma finally unleashed his bankai the first time the Giants waist is over the top of the building SEE (http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/4/149/2).. I'm not just talking out of my ass here I'm showing visual proof.. perspective or not based on how large he is he should still be visable at the bottom of the manga page.. At Soukyoku Hill he is still not visible at all.. what is the explanation for that..? Inquiring minds must know..

[GarraoftheGravel]

Mikeno, that's fine, I will stop persuing the notion, but until they specifically state this is his Shikai I will not believe it. Until that time I'll keep my opinions on the matter to myself. :amused:

[Rosh]

I think if Komamura got some hits in he would do damage but i think he would still lose due to the fact Zommari is faster and his Amor can control body parts, He would probably use it on Komamura's head an thats a rap Komamura gets owned.

[Hitsugaya_Hinamori]

I think Komamura would win if he could use kido

[Vyraeil]

Have you ever tried to survive being hit with a sword the size of a building? Better yet, tried to dodge one? Yeah, it doesn't fucking happen.
So what if Zommari can control body parts, from what we've seen, he does it one after the other, not all at once. So he's going to grab the arm of Komamura's Bankai-man, and then get squished by the other. Or he's going to grab his leg, and then the dirty great monster is going to fall on him. Better yet, if he tries to 'Amor' Komamura himself, then all the big guy has to do is hide behind his bankai. Which isn't that difficult because it's the size of a fucking building. Then see above for the result of that.
Zommari is probably fast enough to get around Komamura in his unreleased state, but because he's stupid as hell he'll go into released mode the moment Komamura does anything marginally powerful.

Oh, and plus, Komamura is a giant fighting fox. That means he wins. Period.

[kochito22]

Have you ever tried to survive being hit with a sword the size of a building? Better yet, tried to dodge one? Yeah, it doesn't fucking happen.
So what if Zommari can control body parts, from what we've seen, he does it one after the other, not all at once. So he's going to grab the arm of Komamura's Bankai-man, and then get squished by the other. Or he's going to grab his leg, and then the dirty great monster is going to fall on him. Better yet, if he tries to 'Amor' Komamura himself, then all the big guy has to do is hide behind his bankai. Which isn't that difficult because it's the size of a fucking building. Then see above for the result of that.
Zommari is probably fast enough to get around Komamura in his unreleased state, but because he's stupid as hell he'll go into released mode the moment Komamura does anything marginally powerful.

Oh, and plus, Komamura is a giant fighting fox. That means he wins. Period.

Didn't Isshin make the Grand Fisher look like a tool? Size of the sword isn't everything.

Zommari controls the head of Komamura's bankai. Komamura's bankai turns on him. Snorlax style body slam.

[Thanatyr]

Didn't Isshin make the Grand Fisher look like a tool? Size of the sword isn't everything.

Zommari controls the head of Komamura's bankai. Komamura's bankai turns on him. Snorlax style body slam.

That's assuming that Komamura's Bankai is truly biologically based, and not just a giant suit of armor. Controlling the helmet would be like hitting a blade of Sebonzakura, useless.
There's too many unknowns on either to conclude which would win imo. I mean hell we don't even know Komamura's Kidou abilities or how fast he can move.

[kochito22]

Zommari controls Komamura's head which in turn controls Komamura's bankai.

[Vyraeil]

Zommari controls Komamura's head which in turn controls Komamura's bankai.

*ahem*
a) Komamura stays behind his bankai. Because it's technically a sword, it can't be 'Amor'd.
b) Komamura wears his awesome helmet which we haven't seen for ages. Problem solved.

Oh, and about Isshin and Grand Fisher. Yeah. Grand Fisher's reiatsu has got nothing on Komamura, plus, Komamura's not a gigantic fucking retard. Don't say that 'we don't know Grand Fisher's reiatsu was pants', because Komamura's is still way better. No argument.