Formula 1 2009

[Oh1222]

Any fans here?
Personally I'm very impressed with Brawn GP, given the circumstances, it's like a fairy tale start (although they have been developing the car for 16months). Looking like a hot package, I think they stand a good chance of taking constructors cup which would be an immense boost (not least for Virgin, LOL@ Branson's massive silly grin afterwards):D

OMG did Hamilton fluke it or what!!? Damn lucky guy! Hope McLaren get their act together soon. Also glad to see none of the Ferraris got any points.:popcorn: :P

Feel sorry for Kubica, he was on a rampage, and probably could have contended and won the 1st place.

Any thoughts on how the season will pan out? Comments about results or predictions?

[Rufix]

Kubica could get 1st place if he wasn't so unlucky:P Still as for car he's got and his experience he's doing crazy well:P BMW isn't bestly organised team as well.

Still looking at BMW development speed I wouldn't be surprised if we had Kubica on 1st place this year^^ All depends on BMW organisation and tactics... I also hope Massa will do better than in 2 previous years, he's kinda good and he was completly unlucky:P

[Fatstogey]

Any fans here?
Personally I'm very impressed with Brawn GP, given the circumstances, it's like a fairy tale start (although they have been developing the car for 16months). Looking like a hot package, I think they stand a good chance of taking constructors cup which would be an immense boost (not least for Virgin, LOL@ Branson's massive silly grin afterwards):D

OMG did Hamilton fluke it or what!!? Damn lucky guy! Hope McLaren get their act together soon. Also glad to see none of the Ferraris got any points.:popcorn: :P

Feel sorry for Kubica, he was on a rampage, and probably could have contended and won the 1st place.

Any thoughts on how the season will pan out? Comments about results or predictions?

Huge F1 fan. I love it. Ive been so depressed due to shitty economy and F1 has me happy again.

As for Brawn. I mean yea its a surprise but dude Ross Brawn? Are we surprised? Seriously? I havent followed it in the off season. And when i first watched i was hearing Brawn? I know that name? Who the hell is that. Googled it then everything made sense.

It is pretty cool how he took the shittiest team, that had the most funding toyota/honda had the most cash, and revived it to winning status in 1 off season. Its pretty impresive. But again. It is Ross Brawn.

Fuck Lewis Hamilton. LOL. I have no reason. I just dont know why i dont like it. He just seems like an antagonist to me. And personally i want to see alonso in a decent car so he can smoke that bastard. Sucks for Alonso. I just dont like the way they dropped the current world champion for a rookie. I mean yea hes a good driver. But put his ass in a force india and lets see how well he does. You know what i mean. We cant really gauge him because his very first seat in F1 was in one of the 4 fastest cars in the field. so to me hes still not proven. He is an awesome driver no doubt. But he seems spoiled rich kidish to me. He is good but idk i just dont like him.

Ferrari hater? Dude Felipe Massa is way cooler a person that LH. I felt so bad for him last year. He lost the championship due to mechanical failure and due to that pit light incident.
however the biggest thing to me was that he lost due to rules that were enacted because of Micheal Schumacher. Im not 100% certain. But if the points were how they used to be he woulda won because he had more 1st place finishes. But Micheal S was getting so many first place finishes they made the gap in points between 1st and 2nd less. So he couldnt walk away with the championships so easily. which he did anyway.

Dont you dare besmurch the legendary Micheal Schumacher with your anit ferrari rhetoric. lol Blasphemor. lol

yea it was funny. When Kubica hit the announcers were saying "how stupid, he was in the pionts, he had time, why risk it." Uh maybe because he was trying to get to Button fool. He didnt have time. And personally i dont like what vettel did. Even though it was technically both their own stupidity. But you know vettels pit was on the radio telling him "kubica is coming on fast" And he knew he couldnt stop him.

There is no way. He was gaining like .8 seconds per sector on vettel. Vettel should have just accepted that he was gonna get passed him. It was obvious that he was. I think vettel should be penalized for trying to stop a car that was obviously much faster and would have, with 0 doubt, passed him anyway. As far as im concerned, even though it was racing for posistion, Vettel was lap traffic that was in Kubica's way for his challenge to first place. and he shoulda yielded.

Stupid on both their parts but i fault vettel. IF this car is going seconds faster per lap than you, its gonna get by you. You raced your race. You get third. Dont fuck yourself and someone else because you cant accept reality. And plus how selfish? Its 3rd place vettel dude. He should have been SUPREMELY HAPPY with 3rd place. If i was in his pit i woulda said "kubica is coming on too fast, dont even worry about stopping him, its not even compition, hes gonna pass you, and if you dont let him hes gonna fight you and you'll only slow each other down and degrad your tires even more. Let him go by."

Kubica was on fire. Vettels race was right there. Kubicas race was for first place. Get the fuck outta his way dick. Like even some of the most competitive drivers, alonso/hamilton/kimi, would have just known better and let them go by. Dude there was 3 laps left. Kubica was what? 3 seconds per lap faster than vettel, and vettel was only getting slower. What an asshole.


I think Ferrari and mclaren will get their acts together. But Brawn seemed pretty damn strong. I would definately say their a contender. And because its Brawn. You know its not a fluke. If that cars good now its gonna be good again. Because we know who made it.

I feel so bad for alonso. Mclaren needs to drop Kov and pick alonso back up. It sucks to have a dude take your seat and now your car is so shitty you cant even contest him. Renault is pathetic. They need to get their shit together. Because alonso could be mixing it up in the top but hes stuck witha shitty car. I feel so bad for him.


Also Massa will do better. He always does bad in Australia. Its just not his track at all. so i expect him to bounce back. Plus i think Malaysia is one of the tracks he prefers. Massa did spin out at malaysia last year. But hes good at Malaysia.


LOL so funny. Yesterday i made the same exact post topic but i didnt make the thread. Cause i tried to start a F1 fanclub and there didtn seem to be many fans on here. LOL i guess not to many anime/racing fans out there. Cause pretty much no one responded to the fanclub.

[Gohan]

Ridiculous performance from both Ferrari and McLaren. Hamilton getting 4th place was pure luck. I still have no clue what went wrong with Massa's car, though I've heard it was a suspension issue. And that crash with three laps remaining was the biggest joke I've ever seen. I feel very sorry for Kubica and Vettel as they deserved to finish with 1st and 2nd place in the race. Vettel is an idiot for creating that accident though and he deserves that $50,000 fine he received. Also Vettel will be fined 10 grid places in Malaysia.

[Fatstogey]

Ridiculous performance from both Ferrari and McLaren. Hamilton getting 4th place was pure luck. I still have no clue what went wrong with Massa's car, though I've heard it was a suspension issue. And that crash with three laps remaining was the biggest joke I've ever seen. I feel very sorry for Kubica and Vettel as they deserved to finish with 1st and 2nd place in the race. Vettel is an idiot for creating that accident though and he deserves that $50,000 fine he received. Also Vettel will be fined 10 grid places in Malaysia.

Sweet. I like vettel but thats what he gets. It was totally uncalled for. I know it was for position but given the times and how much faster Kubica was there was no reason to even try to contend him. And even more retarded i blame his crew. Hes new at this being up front. lol They had ample time to say "just let him go by." I woulda been on the radio screaming it at him to avoid exactly what happened.

LOL they need to put horns on the cars. LOL

[Lucky]

I'm a fan of F-1, but have not followed as closely as I used to ever since Schumi retired.

Always have I supported the Renault team, even when it was Bennington-Renault with Michael Shumacher there before he went to Ferrari. I also have always supported the BMW team, yet they have been notorously underperforming for years now, even with Ralf there. Some of my favorite drivers today are Lewis Hamilton, Felipe Massa, and Giancarlo Fisicella. Just always been a fan of Fisi, can't explain it really.

I'm a big fan of the LeMans Series too, anyone else here into that?

[Oh1222]

Fuck Lewis Hamilton. LOL. I have no reason. I just dont know why i dont like it. He just seems like an antagonist to me. And personally i want to see alonso in a decent car so he can smoke that bastard. Sucks for Alonso. I just dont like the way they dropped the current world champion for a rookie. I mean yea hes a good driver. But put his ass in a force india and lets see how well he does. You know what i mean. We cant really gauge him because his very first seat in F1 was in one of the 4 fastest cars in the field. so to me hes still not proven. He is an awesome driver no doubt. But he seems spoiled rich kidish to me. He is good but idk i just dont like him.

Ferrari hater? Dude Felipe Massa is way cooler a person that LH. I felt so bad for him last year. He lost the championship due to mechanical failure and due to that pit light incident.
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Dont you dare besmurch the legendary Micheal Schumacher with your anit ferrari rhetoric. lol Blasphemor. lol

yea it was funny. When Kubica hit the announcers were saying "how stupid, he was in the pionts, he had time, why risk it." Uh maybe because he was trying to get to Button fool. He didnt have time. And personally i dont like what vettel did. Even though it was technically both their own stupidity. But you know vettels pit was on the radio telling him "kubica is coming on fast" And he knew he couldnt stop him.


I feel so bad for alonso. Mclaren needs to drop Kov and pick alonso back up.



Haha, it looks like we're going to differ on Lewis ( yea, I'm a fan) :P. I understand you point about he should work his way up, but Ron Dennis won't have picked him if he was anything less than excellent. At that time McLaren was one of the best teams , so I'm sure plenty of other great drivers wanted the seat as well.

In fact Lewis did very very well in that race, true, he didn't 'deserve' 3rd ( probably a 6th or 5th was the best he could have hoped for), but coming from 18th, through the middle order of the grid, in a off pace car like that, is no small task.

Alonso did have a chance in a good car against Lewis, yes that was 2007. :P and we all know what happened there! Funny how you view Lewis as the antagonist because me (and many other British F1 fans) see Alonso in the same way.

Yup I hate Ferrari, and how is Massa cooler that Hamilton LOL? I laughed when Massa thought he won it last year, only to be told NO. The guy's a flop, he needs to move to go-karting or whatever where he belongs (along with Alonso).

Much as I hate Ferrari I have a great deal of respect for Schumacher, he is one of the all time greats without a doubt. I'm looking to the day I can say that about Hamilton. What's wrong with a rookie doing so well, sounds like someone is jealous :P

Often I hear people complaining how Hamilton should have started from the bottom, but what does that really mean? Especially since he has already won a championship, what good would it do to see him coming 5-15th in a Force India? All is shows is that the car you are driving is the predominant factor in the race and I cant see that changing in the near future.

[Fatstogey]

Haha, it looks like we're going to differ on Lewis ( yea, I'm a fan) :P. I understand you point about he should work his way up, but Ron Dennis won't have picked him if he was anything less than excellent. At that time McLaren was one of the best teams , so I'm sure plenty of other great drivers wanted the seat as well.

In fact Lewis did very very well in that race, true, he didn't 'deserve' 3rd ( probably a 6th or 5th was the best he could have hoped for), but coming from 18th, through the middle order of the grid, in a off pace car like that, is no small task.

Alonso did have a chance in a good car against Lewis, yes that was 2007. :P and we all know what happened there! Funny how you view Lewis as the antagonist because me (and many other British F1 fans) see Alonso in the same way.

Yup I hate Ferrari, and how is Massa cooler that Hamilton LOL? I laughed when Massa thought he won it last year, only to be told NO. The guy's a flop, he needs to move to go-karting or whatever where he belongs (along with Alonso).

Much as I hate Ferrari I have a great deal of respect for Schumacher, he is one of the all time greats without a doubt. I'm looking to the day I can say that about Hamilton. What's wrong with a rookie doing so well, sounds like someone is jealous :P

Often I hear people complaining how Hamilton should have started from the bottom, but what does that really mean? Especially since he has already won a championship, what good would it do to see him coming 5-15th in a Force India? All is shows is that the car you are driving is the predominant factor in the race and I cant see that changing in the near future.

Oh theres no doubt im jealous. lol I have 0 opportunity to drive an f1 car. Im way jealous. Even if i could find my way to one, im 6'5 250 lbs. I think Kubica is the heaviest driver and hes not over 200lbs. Even if i was an awesome driver i couldnt even fit in the damn car. So im jealous of every driver. Id kill to drive any one of those cars. Even the force india car. lol

Man id like to see Alonso in a Brawn car. Cmon Rubens its time to retire. lol

Massa shoulda won last year. He was robbed.

[killerchink]

Hehe personally I am a huge Massa fan cos he is such a cool guy and i really hope he wins this year (or at least crushes Raikkonen at the very least)

I am glad Button is winning and in a competitive car though cos he deserves it after sticking with Honda through hell and even accepting a pay cut rather than just buggering off to another team.

Can't wait till Sepang where hopefully for me...Ferrari will make a nice bounce back from the horrors of Melbourne.

[Fatstogey]

Hehe personally I am a huge Massa fan cos he is such a cool guy and i really hope he wins this year (or at least crushes Raikkonen at the very least)

I am glad Button is winning and in a competitive car though cos he deserves it after sticking with Honda through hell and even accepting a pay cut rather than just buggering off to another team.

Can't wait till Sepang where hopefully for me...Ferrari will make a nice bounce back from the horrors of Melbourne.

Yea i think Ferrari is gonna do better this weekend. I dont think they even bother setting their cars up for Australia. Cause they just suck there. lol Massa sucks at Australia. I wasnt surprised. I expected him to do better than he did. But i wasnt expecting anything from him on this track.

[Gohan]

If Raikkonen had kept his cool and remained the "iceman" he could of one this race. I think he's one of my favorites currently driving. Though my all time favorites are Schumacher and Hakkinen.

[Rosh]

I hope lewis hamilton wins it again, i dont think he fluked it i reckon he has got skill.

[Lucky]

Who do you all have winning the Manufacturers Title?

I know Brawn-Mercedes started off strong, and quite impressively, but I don't think that both Button and Rubens will be able to keep up that pace, especially the hot and cold Barricello. I do see Button contending for the Driver's Title though, possibly winning.

Anyway, my manufacturer top 5 for the hell of it:

I have in fifth: Sauber-BMW. Kubica will win a couple and Heidfeld will gain useful points throughout the year.

In Fourth: Renault. I have always supported Renault, and with Alonso I feel if the car is up to par he can win a couple races.

In third: Brawn-Mercedes. Even after saying what I just said it's still Jenson Button and Rubens Barricello. They will get points unless there is serious problems with the cars.

In second: McLaren-Mercedes. They'll finish just behind Ferrari with another great season from Lewis Hamilton.

First: Ferrari, regaining that glory. Too much talent with Massa and Raikkonen.

Please don't slam my picks lol, nah but seriously I just would like to see who you guys have winning. I stated earlier I don't follow F-1 as closely as I used to.

[Gohan]

Well I expect as always Ferrari and McLaren to be close for 1st and 2nd. I want Ferrari to take first. But if Brawn can keep up this pace they might be able to prove my Ferrari/McLaren predictions wrong.

[killerchink]

my pick for Constructors Title would be:

1) Brawn - i think they will continue to be ahead for majority of the season and with the Virgin deal, they have enough funds to keep developing.
2) Ferrari - i expect a strong comeback and hopefully Massa challenging for title. if Massa does well though, Raikonnen tends to do bad and vice-versa which is why i have worries bout Ferrari not winning Constructors.
3) BMW - Great driver in Kubica and was amongst first of former front runners to develop car. Depends on how Heidfeld does but I expect BMW to challenge often for wins but not have the maximum pace usually.
4) McLaren - Hamilton is a good driver even though i don't really like him. On the other hand, I think Kovalainen is slightly over-rated and i expect a repeat of last year where Hamilton thrashes Kovalainen. I expect the Mclarens to be strong by mid-season but having dropped too many points at the start to make a real championship bid.
5) Red Bull - Vettel, as shown in Melbourne and like most of last year is an amazing driver and will score consistent points especially as the Red Bull seems much better than last year. Red Bull has secure funding to develop and Webber is also talented driver (if slightly unlucky.) I expect a close finish with Toyota and Renault for 5th place.

[arthur11]

Im backing hamilton all the way but ferrari always spoil the fun so they're my second choice to win.

[Gohan]

Hamilton was stripped of his points for his win in the Australian GP. As well as the points he won for McLaren towards the Constructors Cup. Hamilton was awarded points for third place hours after the race when it was brought to the attention of the FIA that he was passed by Trulli while the pace car was out. Hamilton, whose car had a technical misfire, lied by saying Trulli passed him while there was a pace car out. So the third place points for Austrialia GP now go to Trulli.

[Oh1222]

Must admit Hamilton's punishment was just. In fact I was expecting a harsher ruling since it was quite a serious situation. Meh.

Ahaha, Massa (well, actully the Ferrari team) screwed up the qualifying :P and Raikkonen was as scintillating as he was in Friday practice. Jenson looking as awesome as ever :D but the field is looking much closer this time around.

[Starzen]

this year kimi will take it if he can get that ferrari to the finish line.

[Fatstogey]

Must admit Hamilton's punishment was just. In fact I was expecting a harsher ruling since it was quite a serious situation. Meh.

Ahaha, Massa (well, actully the Ferrari team) screwed up the qualifying :P and Raikkonen was as scintillating as he was in Friday practice. Jenson looking as awesome as ever :D but the field is looking much closer this time around.

Their stupid KERS is malfunctioning. I dont like kers though anyway. Seems awfully dangerous and i wouldnt expect to see it for long. someone is gonna get shocked and die and then they are gonna get rid of it. Shit Kimi's car was freaking on fire. lol
Kers just doesnt seem like it belongs to me. I dont like it. No "TURBO BOOSTS" lol. But the weight of it offsets its power anyway. I think the FIA is just trying there hardest to make it more competitive. Which it kinda is seeing how ferrari and mclaren are no where yet. lol But Im sure both teams will get their act together.

Also after april and the ruling on the rear diffusers, which i think should stay, everyone will either not have them. Or everyone is gonna have them. I say everyone should get them because people do seem to be having problems with rear downforce. They should allow it.

[Starzen]

somebody needs to kill the ferrari management now. disappointing race altogether.

[killerchink]

yea...the tactics from Ferrari are shocking. maybe they should think up strategies and do the exact opposite...or better yet - trade with the strategists from Toyota ^^

Ferrari better not screw up in China in 2 weeks time :(

[Oh1222]

Wow, I haven't rain like that during a race before. Glad to see Button trashing the rest of the field. Plus, Hamilton came 7th :D, that's twice now, coming from behind to secure a first 8 spot, that take some skill and strategy ^^.

HAHAHA @ Ferrari, 0 points two races in a row- that made my day :).

[Fatstogey]

somebody needs to kill the ferrari management now. disappointing race altogether.

Yea if they woulda sent Kimi out on inters they might have had a change to gain a few places. IDK with no rain fall if they were making bets of rain they should at least go with teh safer bet of inters. It probably would have paid off with a few places.

Yea Lewis did pretty good.

I still feel so bad with Alonso. To see how good hes doing with the same car thats taking Piquet no where. I feel so sorry for him. He is fucking driving his guts out and cant get any help from his car at all. lol Ruebens needs to retire and alonso goes to brawn next year! lol I used to not like Alonso but thats cause i was a ferrari micheal fan. But now i think he just got shafted and his great driving skill is being overshadowed by his crappy car. Also Mclaren shoulda kept him. Cause Heikki is garbage. And they could have 2 cars competing for first. Idk man to see what alonso is managing with this terrible car. Its just sad.

FIA needs to remove the 2 hour race clock. Or at least stop time when the race is suspended. I know that the sun was setting in malaysia but if you get to a European race thats at 2pm or a north american race(hopefully again, i had tickets hotel and fight for the canadian gran prix and those ASS SUCKERS canceled the damn thing, fucking assholes. god just thinking about it agian makes me soooo fucking mad. 50 something years and they cancel it the year i buy tickets, go fuck yourself) ehem. Anyway.

I went to the pepsi 400 at daytona. It rained. In nascar they dont race rain at all. But they got these trucks with turbine fans on em that took a few hours to dry the track. Yea it was a pain in the ass and the race started at like 1am. But fuck it man. This is racing. Id rather wait and see the end of the race. If the sun wasnt setting so soon in malaysia they could have finished the race. The rain was gone.

I dont wanna see it happen at 4pm when theres plenty of sun left. But the 2hr time limit hits. Idk if they have to have it, make it 3hrs. Its F1 dude if you cant wait 2hrs for it get the fuck outta here. Ive been waiting all off season for it. It deserves more respect than a 2hr time limit. Sometimes monssons happen but then we can continue racing. Damn the time limit. If theres still light get your asses back to racing.

[Darkmaterials]

Button won again =).

Anyone think they should have kept going in the rain?
They could have just given the drivers oars.

[Fatstogey]

Button won again =).

Anyone think they should have kept going in the rain?
They could have just given the drivers oars.

Naw it was raining too much. The track was more like a river. At the beginning though. Its cool to see the contrails coming of the cars.

[Darkmaterials]

^ The cars are light, just move some stuff around and have a boat race =P.

I don't see why they kept the time going after the red flag went up, if they hadn't the two hour limit would have been fine.

[Fatstogey]

^ The cars are light, just move some stuff around and have a boat race =P.

I don't see why they kept the time going after the red flag went up, if they hadn't the two hour limit would have been fine.

Yea i agree they should have continued racing.

[Oh1222]

I still feel so bad with Alonso. To see how good hes doing with the same car thats taking Piquet no where. I feel so sorry for him. He is fucking driving his guts out and cant get any help from his car at all. lol Ruebens needs to retire and alonso goes to brawn next year! lol I used to not like Alonso but thats cause i was a ferrari micheal fan. But now i think he just got shafted and his great driving skill is being overshadowed by his crappy car. Also Mclaren shoulda kept him. Cause Heikki is garbage. And they could have 2 cars competing for first. Idk man to see what alonso is managing with this terrible car. Its just sad.



I agree mostly. Personally I would like to see Alonso at Ferrari next year. Renault really hasn't delivered after saying all through winter how they are going to compete for the top spots and Alonso's skill is undoubted. I do not think two races is enough to judge whether Barrichello should retire because he isn't up to the job, however Kovalienen has to go, he had a whole season to prove himself and hasn't done so.

Incidentally Ferrari has been really quite unlucky in these two races, as far as raw pace, they are very close to Brawn and others like Toyota, but those critical driver and team errors cost them dearly, and that's all part of the game.

I doubt giving Kimi inters would have helped them much, since he would be loosing more than 5 seconds per lap compared to dry slicks. Most people changed to inters or wets around 5-7 laps after Kimi did, when the rain started to come down a bit, the time Kimi would lose during that phase be disastrous. Plus driving inters on a essentially dry track would ruin the tires, leaving him with a disadvantage when everyone finally switched.

Having said that I understand what the Ferrari strategist were thinking, the just got the timing of the downpour wrong and their pre-emptive action thus failed. But in such volatile, unpredictable conditions as in Sepang, that is quite understandable if not forgiveable.

[Fatstogey]

Kimi went on full wets and ate them up. Inters would have lasted longer on dry track than the full wets did. Then he coulda hvae gained that time. Then when it really started coming down he could have tryed to be more careful or come in and get full wets like most did.

but they new it was a high risk move. They were going for broke. But ferrari will have time to improve during this 2 week break.

[Gohan]

I have to say that Ferrari choosing to put Kimi on all wets so early in the game on his first pit stop was way to big of a risk to take. I see no problem with throwing intermediates on his car in that stage. After 5 laps with those tires on a hot and dry track they'd be gone. I mean the damage he did to them just by driving 1-2 laps on dry cost him. And that's basically what added up to him finishing in last. Button and Team Brawn are doing ridiculously well and it seems that a new era has dawned on F1 where it isn't just a competition between Ferrari and McLaren. Though I think the race would of been interesting to watch under heavy rain I can't blame them for the red flag then prematurely ending the race. The track was completely flooded.

[Fatstogey]

I hate the 2 and 3 week breaks. A race every weekend damnit.

[d3m1G0d]

I pray to god the FIA doesn't ruin this season for me. The addition of KERS and more overtaking are fun and all but I would hate to see something I love become a spec series. Damn it Formula 1 is the PINNACLE of motorsport. More money thrown in, More displacement, More power, MORE MORE MORE. And boy would I like to see the days of turbos and sideskirts make a return.

[Oh1222]

I pray to god the FIA doesn't ruin this season for me. The addition of KERS and more overtaking are fun and all but I would hate to see something I love become a spec series. Damn it Formula 1 is the PINNACLE of motorsport. More money thrown in, More displacement, More power, MORE MORE MORE. And boy would I like to see the days of turbos and sideskirts make a return.

I would love it if they got rid off all the rules and just said: Here is the track, design and race a vehicle (with 3 or more wheels) which can go around it as fast as possible. That would be awesome-crazy. :D

[Zaylen]

Button rulz.. He made a great debout hope he will keep driving so good.

[Oh1222]

Button rulz.. He made a great debout hope he will keep driving so good.

...debut? He isn't a rookie lol!

[Zaylen]

...debut? He isn't a rookie lol!

Yup lol mistake sorry for that =p

[Fatstogey]

...debut? He isn't a rookie lol!

Makes you wonder if he has anything to do with it or if its all the car. LOL i wanna do some research. Next race Button should switch cars with Nakijima. IF Nakijima wins i can safely say its all the car. lol

[Oh1222]

Yea I agree. I suppose for some more comparison, look at how Button has performed compared to his Honda team-mate over the last 3/4 years. Consistently better performance would give the impression of a better driver. Even then concluding the 'best' driver is subjective.

Thats why they started up the A1 grand prix. And I thought it was a good idea. Pity they didn't have the big names, big money or the prestige and glamour of F1 to compete on the world stage.

[Mithrandir]

Well the Chinese GP was definitely interesting, if not really exciting.

I didn't think Vettel would have it in him to actually win the race, usually getting pole in qualifying like that is simply a stroke of luck. But he kept his nerve and did it, made no mistakes and got the first win (and 1/2) for Red Bull ever. I was pretty glad when he won, at least someone is keeping Brawn from running away with the championship. He also seems like a nice kid, not nearly as annoying as Alonso or Hamilton. And damn, winning his 2nd GP at only 21? That's amazing.

The Ferrari's screwed up big time again, Massa going out with engine trouble and Kimi just not having the edge at all, worst season start since 1981. :/

Brawn also showed consistency with a 3/4 for their drivers which was good.

Only memorable crash was when poor Sutil spun out a few laps from the finish, he was in 6th place as well and would've scored the first points for Force India of the season, I always feel sorry for them when stuff like this happens to the weaker teams.

[Oh1222]

Red Bull looks deadly in the wet. Although I suspect on another day, Brawn could have been faster since the fastest lap of the race was set by Barrichello.

LOLFerrari? Where are all the Ferrari fans now? :P

Well done to Hamilton, and shock at Kovalienen not only finishing a race (!) but actually getting some points !

[Gohan]

Kimi had engine problems after about the 8th lap and it plagued him the whole race. I was disappointed that we had rain as it really slows down the pace of the race and it makes it harder to see what is happening. On the other hand the rain makes it much more interesting to watch due to everyone going off and or spinning at one point in the race.

[Mithrandir]

I just hated the safety car start, the start is one of the most exciting parts of a race and that totally ruined it.

Ferrari better get their damn technical act together soon though or the team is gonna go the way of Williams.

I'm still a Ferrari fan though, you can't just drop your team if they're on a slump, I hate people that do that.

[Gohan]

I'm still a Ferrari fan though, you can't just drop your team if they're on a slump, I hate people that do that.
Same, I miss the good old days with Schumacher.

[Mithrandir]

Yeah, it's like the team hasn't been the same since he left. :/

[Fatstogey]

Awesome race.

Good job red bull. Great for them.

Too bad for Sutil.

Cant wait for the new diffusers. Quick redesign of cars? Im thinking Ferrari and Mclaren should do the best jobs at that. So im hoping to see ferrari competing again in Bahrain.

[Oh1222]

Has anyone else noticed the number of times Massa says 'for sure,...' and now I've heard the Ferrari technical director and Raikkonen say it too during interviews. Probably a company directive LOL! But it's getting quite annoying.

[Don Panini]

Same, I miss the good old days with Schumacher.

Yeah he shouldn't have retired but I bet he got bored of winning because there was hardly any good competition out there during the end of his career.

[Gohan]

A great Ferrari 3-4 finish in Monaco. This seasons going to Brawn. I'm surprised from the whole shake up of the F1 podium but it has definitely lead to a more interesting season.

[Sony]

im a Ferrari fan for life
even if the season has not gone the way we enticipated

i also miss the way the last two seasons were compared to this years season
i loved the way Massa, Raikkonen and Hamilton competed and it was just great to watch

this year hasnt really captured me as much

[Mithrandir]

No, this year has been much more entertaining, different teams are on the podium each race.

Anyway, Hungarian GP just finished, not too good a show for Button and Vettel, but surprisingly Hamilton and Raikonnen took 1st and 2nd!

So yeah, maybe this will give McLaren and Ferrari some confidence back. And I lol'ed at Alonso's wheel coming off after he pitted, and he was in the lead as well.

But the other big story of this weekend is Massa's freak accident in qualifying, which caused Ferrari to only have one car on the track. A piece of spring (or something) from Barrichello's Brawn car hit him in the head at 200km/h knocking him unconscious and sending him into the tire wall! He's in a stable condition in hospital atm, hopefully we'll see him on the track again soon. Wonder who Ferrari will use as replacement if he isn't fit for Valencia in a months time though?

A picture of him right after they pulled him out of the car.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7833/123633.jpg

And the crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJVtvAtL0fE

[dyne]

since when did watching paint dry become entertaining?

[wosaja]

since when did watching paint dry become entertaining?

well if you think drying paint is as much entertaining as formula 1 races, i'll be happy to invite you to my place and paint the walls, and knock youreself out;)

to get back to the topic that crash was terrible, but he came out of it pretty good, (concidering the cercomstances). but still he's out for quite a while i'm afraid

[dyne]

entertaining? formula 1? LOL

[wosaja]

yeah i agree that the past few years weren't as much entertaining as they used to be but this year it has become much more entertaining just as mithrandir said, but hey whe all got our own oppinion so if you don't like it, fine by me

[Gohan]

@Dyne: Yea, F1 can be slow at times but it has its exciting moments.

I wish Massa a quick recovery .

Anyway all is right in the world of Foruma 1 once again with Mercedes and Ferrari finishing in the podium. Hopefully they can keep it up and give Red Bull and Brawn a run for their money.

Also Renault has been suspended for one race due to the issue with Alonso's tire coming off. If you watch a reply of the pit stop you will notice that the pit crew were aware that the tire wasn't attached correctly yet they still sent him off .

[wosaja]

wait they send him away with an badly attached tire?
i hope they fire the idiot responcible for this

[Gohan]

What happened is that the electric drill wouldn't tighten the wheel bolt so it needed to be done by hand and they set the car off before the guy could tighten it.

[wosaja]

well thats a fine example of bad comunication i think

[Mithrandir]

Yeah that was definitely some pad pit communication there.

But poor Alonso, getting banned from his home grand prix for something that wasn't really his fault.

Still wondering who Ferrari will use instead of Massa, I doubt he'll be ready for Valencia in a month. There's some rumours about Schumacher making a short return, but I very much doubt it (would be awesome though).

[wosaja]

yeah it sucks to be alonso right now (i bet you he's really pissed of right now)

but as far as massa, he wont be able to drive in valencia, and the rumors of schumacher, i wish he where making a comeback but since every news page is saying he's not i seriously doubt it, but who will be replacing massa is still a big mystery

[Gohan]

Although Massa's injuries are no longer considered life-threatening and he was reportedly able to move limbs according to doctors' instructions, severe damage to his left eye could spell the end of his career.

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo visited Massa at the hospital together with team principal Stefano Domenicali, who will stay with Massa's family – including his pregnant wife – another day while doctors determine how much longer he should stay at the Hungarian military facility before being moved closer to home. While Felipe's projected recovery time remains unclear at this point, it looks like he will be out for at least the rest of the season, meaning that the Scuderia will need to find someone suitable to fill his seat.

Also Raikkonen was set to retire at the end of this season but with Massa out for the count I don't see that happening. Alsonso, who Ferrari was trying to get to take Raikkonen's seat, might be able to sneak into Massa's seat for the next season. Things would get interesting with that change.

[Mithrandir]

Well there has been a lot of speculation over who is going to be Massa's replacement for the rest of the 2009 season. And amazingly the result is the one everyone wanted.

It's official, the legend is back!!!

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5104355&fSectionId=756&fSetId=381

I cannot wait to see Michael in action again, these last few races are seriously going to be some of the most epic ever!!!

[KingtheKing]

Zomg, that's awesome I didn't see his return coming. Ferrari has a chance now for sure. This is going to be kick ass XD!

[Gohan]

Well the pressure is on Schumy to race for his pride against this youngsters. Especially since Kimi proved that the Ferrari F60 can be competitive last weekend.

[wosaja]

yeah but still where talking about schumacher, in my opinion the best of his days, and i doubt that he completedly lost his talent, so he should at least be able to put up a good race

[Gohan]

So what about that big failure known as Luca Baldeor. Ruining a F60 on qualifying and constantly being 2-3 seconds off pace. I hope Ferrari gives this guy a boot. But atleast Kimi was able to show his stuff and got Ferrari's first win of the 2009 season. at Spa.

[Mithrandir]

Yeah I dunno what the hell they're doing with Badoer, he's terrible. Qualifying last twice in a row and finishing last as well, in a Ferrari. I remember at some point at Valencia the commentator said, "And there's Badoer going backwards on the track, again". Lol.

Anyway, today's race was really great. Fisichella did amazing in the Force India, getting pole and finishing second, really not expected to see that kind of result from them. And I lol'ed at Hamilton and Button getting ran off the track by the two new guys on the first lap.

But all in all kudos to Kimi! Was great to finally see a win for Ferrari this season, even with all their troubles. Raikonnen has been improving since mid season and a win was just a matter of time, so great race from him. Now let's just hope they can keep that pace up, and find a replacement for Badoer...

[Gohan]

Apparently Ferrari is looking at Giancarlo Fisichella as a replacement for the Badoer.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/ferrari-to-sign-fisichella-to-replace-badoer/

Edit: With the announcement that Massa is out for the rest of the season (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/03/ferrari-weighs-its-options-with-massa-reportedly-not-expected-ba/) Fisichella was acquired by Ferrari (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/03/report-giancarlo-fisichella-meet-your-new-ferrari-race-seat/).