Rubodon's power level

[eneru92]

I was wondering about it while reading is fight against Rukia .

So , we know almost for sure that he is above Fraccion level , but for is own admission , he is weaker than every espada .

This is referred to actual espada , past espada or both of them ? Can he be considered at the level of a privaron ?

[Paragon]

No he can not.

Rukia beat him without much trouble it appeared, thus hes weaker than VC level. But all in all its difficult to say whether Rukia just got better or what cause Kubo never showed us anything. But as it stands Rukia owned him without much trouble.

He'd get owned by almost every VC.

[Xova]

I was wondering about it while reading is fight against Rukia .

So , we know almost for sure that he is above Fraccion level , but for is own admission , he is weaker than every espada .

This is referred to actual espada , past espada or both of them ? Can he be considered at the level of a privaron ?

Why are you so sure that he's above Fraccion level? I could see Edorad taking him considering even Rukia's shikai froze his tree, and the fraccion's release had much more firepower.

[Wras]

His power is his sheer numbers, as shown when he attacked Ichigo. All he did was flaunt about how frivolous it was to attack his cronies and how he ONLY NEEDS TO CREATE MORE! Buahahaha! Then he was foiled by low temperatures.

His shit's weak.

[eneru92]

Why are you so sure that he's above Fraccion level? I could see Edorad taking him considering even Rukia's shikai froze his tree, and the fraccion's release had much more firepower.

Mainly because he referred to his own ability as godlike and stated that it was given to him by Aizen himself .

[justin43]

Mainly because he referred to his own ability as godlike and stated that it was given to him by Aizen himself .

In general, people who describe either themselves or their own ablities as great have zero credibility. I agree with Paragon. Almost every VC will beat him except for . . . . :amused:

[Lnrd]

He's obviously weaker than VC level and, in turn, weaker than fraccion/numero level. That guy had to be smoking thinking he was going to be an espada.:nono:

[eneru92]

He's obviously weaker than VC level and, in turn, weaker than fraccion/numero level. That guy had to be smoking thinking he was going to be an espada.:nono:

I think that you are understimating Rubodon a bit too much putting him below fraccion level .
After all , he formed a completely autonomus arrancar army .

[dynamo]

"IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAA-" /shot

Not even close to a VC imo, Rukia handled him pretty easily (just attack the branches).

[Yadomaru]

As long as he's able to continue producing minions, he's pretty much able to hold off most anybody below a fairly high level, because he can just keep spawning them until his opponent wears out.
Take away that capability and he's pretty much a pushover.

So his power level in and of itself isn't that high, it's his ability to essentially crap out new minions at will and nothing else that makes him dangerous.

[IchiRuki08]

As long as he's able to continue producing minions, he's pretty much able to hold off most anybody below a fairly high level, because he can just keep spawning them until his opponent wears out.
Take away that capability and he's pretty much a pushover.

So his power level in and of itself isn't that high, it's his ability to essentially crap out new minions at will and nothing else that makes him dangerous.

Rukia didnt even have to whip out Kido against this guy, so he couldnt have been too strong. Rukia guessamate wise most likely killed about 50 of his spawns. So while she looked tired in one chapter the next time we see them she's already recovered and he's frozen and beaten. So powerwise I would put him with fraccon level probley stronger then some simply because of his power to create more bad guys.

Rukia has always been this strong people may be shocked but once again if you put her against someone she doesnt give 2 shits about she's pretty cut thoat and to the point.

She's becoming more and more like her brother. She has tons of room to progress and she didnt need any plotkai at all to beat this guy.

That being said its hard to tell how this guy would do against the VC's he may do well against the dumber ones but the season'ed vet VC's shouldnt have any trouble with him if they use there head like Rukia did.

I think the anime will show parts of this fight we didnt see, and probley add random stuff like Rukia using kido on him and stuff just to fill in time lol.

[jayshow]

Hey guys, remember what he said?

'"Invasor Kurosaki Ichigo... your life is mine!"

or was it

"Invader Kurosaki Ichigo.... your life is forfeit!"

Did this assclown actually think he had a chance vs a captain level opponent in Ichigo? Or did Aizen order Rudobon to mutter those words that would lead to his grave?

[Rosh]

I think he is no way near espada level or priviron I would say fraccion level, Even though others had a tough time with fraccion and rukia beat him easily as poited out earlier I would still say he is at fraccion level because even though others had a tough time wiht fraccion some also defeated them with ease.

[TW501]

I'd put him at roughly the same general level as a VC or fraccion. Sure he got beat by Rukia, but that had as much to do with her zanpakuto being just the right type to beat him as it was power level. In terms of direct confrontation, he's really not that much, but he does have a pretty useful ability.

[Feranor]

Well, hard to judge that...

1. He apparently killed off that Privaron Espada which was defeated by Ichigo, though we don't know how strong Dordonni (is that his name?) still was after the fight.

2. He was killed rather easily by Rukia, but her Shikai was the perfect counter to his release.

Still, I'd guess that most VCs could take him, though someone with pure melee abilites might have some trouble.

[Vyraeil]

I don't know about this business that VCs are stronger than him, actually.
Even the Espada and Aizen seem to speak of him with a certain tone of reverence, indicating at least a modicum of power, to say the least. It seems like quite a big deal when Szayel dispatches 'the Exequias' to finish off Dordonni, and I don't think that sort of thing happens when the person in question isn't decently powerful. Yes, Rukia beat him without an apparent struggle, but as Feranor said, her shikai release was almost perfectly suited to dealing with his release. Realistically, the ability to forever-spawn minions is a fairly tough ability... I don't know that all the VCs, even most of them, could take him on.
Sure, folk like Yachiru and Shuukei (?) could probably take him down eventually. Emphasis on 'probably'. But we have to remember people like Hinamori (lolol-kido-lol) and Nanao and Ukitake's ones that nobody can remember the names of. Generalizing and saying that VCs can beat him is a little bit off in my opinion.
Besides, Rukia can take down the Number 9 Espada, I think she's probably a little bit tougher than we give her credit for...

But to answer the actual question of this thread, I'm gonna say I'd place him above fraccion, certainly, but probably below Priveron. Seriously, even Ichigo had to rip out the Hollow Mask to take down Dordonni, and I don't think our old Exequias pal is quite at -that- level.

[Xova]

Mainly because he referred to his own ability as godlike and stated that it was given to him by Aizen himself .

And that holds about as much weight as Zonmari claiming to be the fastest or Nnoitra saying he has the toughest Hierro. Rubodon only has one small aspect of a true god's powerset, which was easily dealt with by Rukia's shikai which wasn't even all that powerful, Edorad would win just the same considering fire>>>ice>>>tree and his attacks are of a greater magnitude than that of Rukia's.

[eneru92]

And that holds about as much weight as Zonmari claiming to be the fastest or Nnoitra saying he has the toughest Hierro. Rubodon only has one small aspect of a true god's powerset, which was easily dealt with by Rukia's shikai which wasn't even all that powerful, Edorad would win just the same considering fire>>>ice>>>tree and his attacks are of a greater magnitude than that of Rukia's.

Compared to the other VC level fighter , Rukia shikai is pretty impressive .

[punni]

Rubodon has one of the crappiest resurreccions ever. the ability is worth shit. he made himself weaker than unreleased as seen by how Rukia's ice that left him unharmed unreleased crippled his resurreccion.

Rukia seems a magnet for crappy resurreccions. first AA then Zommari and now Rubodon

He is fraccion level, but that has a wide range. Certainly weaker than Ilforte, Edorado or Shawlong (the strongest fraccion we have seen so far)

[Lnrd]

^QFT

[Xova]

Compared to the other VC level fighter , Rukia shikai is pretty impressive .

I never talked about any VC level fighters besides Edorad, whom is a fraccion. And he will defeat Rubodon just the same, if not with greater ease than Rukia did, because his resurrection is more impressive to me than Rukia's shikai.

[Yayap]

I don't understand why people are saying that Rudobon was defeated by Rukia. She may have frozen his branches, but that only prevents him from spawning more of his cavaleras. It doesn't stop him from walking up to her and clobbering her. Or using cero/bala or throwing that branch in his hand like a javelin. He could still fight. And Yammi's attack does not mean that he is dead.

Putting Rudobon in a box with the other arrancar is not a simple matter. Fraccion can be stronger than Privaron Espada. Just as Privaron & Fracciones can be almost as strong as an actual Espada, or even stronger. After all, Szyael was hardly a physically powerful opponent. There is a massive range of power covered by these groups.

Rukia had a good ability to counter him, and the brains to do so effectively. Unless there is a massive difference in power, the match-up of ability sets is more important than anything else in a fight. We've seen that constantly throughout Bleach.

[jayshow]

I don't understand why people are saying that Rudobon was defeated by Rukia. She may have frozen his branches, but that only prevents him from spawning more of his cavaleras. It doesn't stop him from walking up to her and clobbering her. Or using cero/bala or throwing that branch in his hand like a javelin. He could still fight. And Yammi's attack does not mean that he is dead.

Putting Rudobon in a box with the other arrancar is not a simple matter. Fraccion can be stronger than Privaron Espada. Just as Privaron & Fracciones can be almost as strong as an actual Espada, or even stronger. After all, Szyael was hardly a physically powerful opponent. There is a massive range of power covered by these groups.

Rukia had a good ability to counter him, and the brains to do so effectively. Unless there is a massive difference in power, the match-up of ability sets is more important than anything else in a fight. We've seen that constantly throughout Bleach.

Clever words. Basically, for powerhouses such as Ichigo and Kenpachi, they always come out on top because of a stronger willpower, sharper instinct, or higher reiatsu than their opponents. But everyone else wins due to ability mismatches.

How convenient was it to place Mayuri's unique abilities vs Szyazel, Byakuya's senbonzakura vs the fail fail Zomari, Kira's wabisuke against a flying steelman in Redder, Hisagi's shikai vs the overconfident Findor, Rukia's weak Ice moves (in comparison to captains, but her shikai is strong in the VC level range) vs DRoy / AA / Rudobon?

Lopsided battles in which the shinigami character is severely outclassed in reiatsu or power are immediately fixed by having either the shinigami character's abilities to absolutely put the arrancar at a noticable disadvantage or by having the arrancar behave extremely arrogant/dumb/retarded/idiotic to lead to his/her downfall.

Maybe Rudobon should've fought Rukia 1 on 1 without releasing, just like how Zomari should've fought Byakuya without releasing. But in the wonderful world of bleach in which the good guys won't be dying anytime soon, the enemy hollows just had to be THAT dumb and bad.

[Kingkon]

Rudabon's minions are so weak it makes me wonder why he released in the first place. He broke out of Rukia's 2nd dance pretty easily before but made himself immobile when he released knowing well enough that Rukia can freeze his calaberas making his ability useless anyways.

[IchiRuki08]

I don't understand why people are saying that Rudobon was defeated by Rukia. She may have frozen his branches, but that only prevents him from spawning more of his cavaleras. It doesn't stop him from walking up to her and clobbering her. Or using cero/bala or throwing that branch in his hand like a javelin. He could still fight. And Yammi's attack does not mean that he is dead.

Putting Rudobon in a box with the other arrancar is not a simple matter. Fraccion can be stronger than Privaron Espada. Just as Privaron & Fracciones can be almost as strong as an actual Espada, or even stronger. After all, Szyael was hardly a physically powerful opponent. There is a massive range of power covered by these groups.

Rukia had a good ability to counter him, and the brains to do so effectively. Unless there is a massive difference in power, the match-up of ability sets is more important than anything else in a fight. We've seen that constantly throughout Bleach.

Hes dead. Rukia had him unable to move... when he released he was a freaking tree... he was just floating there as his minions did the fighting for him. Rukia beat all his bad guys and froze him to the point where he couldnt move...and he was slowly freezing all together too.. We'll see it clearer when its in the anime. Whe didnt even get touched by any of them or Rudobon.. He was owned by Rukia and then Mr Koolade....aka Yammy... and we all know it lol.

Rudabon's minions are so weak it makes me wonder why he released in the first place. He broke out of Rukia's 2nd dance pretty easily before but made himself immobile when he released knowing well enough that Rukia can freeze his calaberas making his ability useless anyways.

Thats why I say.. Releases are freaking worthless...All it does is make them seem weaker to me. Everytime a arrancarr character releases it means there going to be beaten lol.

Ya they go back to there original form...with a trick...ooooo.... The iron skin they get when unreleased is much better. Had he stayed unreleased he could have gave Rukia more of a fight, and she would have had to use kido.

[Sarvik]

As typical for bleach bad guys, Rudobon encountered enemy who's ability was exactly fit for defeating him. But he is indeed pretty weak himselfly too, with ability like his, releasing in front of enemy is idiotic. He should do his minionspamming only before fight in safe location, and during fight remain unreleased as that way he can actually participate in fight himselfly, while his minions distract enemy.

[IchiRuki08]

As typical for bleach bad guys, Rudobon encountered enemy who's ability was exactly fit for defeating him. But he is indeed pretty weak himselfly too, with ability like his, releasing in front of enemy is idiotic. He should do his minionspamming only before fight in safe location, and during fight remain unreleased as that way he can actually participate in fight himselfly, while his minions distract enemy.


Well besides power levels and stuff and how Rukia is stronger then him. Even if he was like Ulq's level somehow Kubo would have had Rukia sama win simply because shes the second most popular character in bleach and her Zan is too.

Kubo always said he likes her Zan the best, honestly people talk about power levels and stuff but the only reason we havent seen Rukia's bankai is he doesnt wanna fuck it up. Not for the fans but himself. He knows Rukia is his leading girl and he's being very careful lately with her. He's simply thinking up her bankai and still hasnt made up his mind about it.

But ya I agree with you 100 percent, he should have released made like 100,000 bad guys then unreleased...then he would have had a shot to win. But these bad guys keep thinking just because there behind Aizen they have nothing to fear because he fears nothing... Sorry but just because you serve a guy it doesnt make you like him.. It just makes you a moron.

Its hard to say how Hakuren would have done to him unreleased if she hit him head on. She kinda was being careful when fireing it since it was between him and Ichigo. Hence why it just got his hand.

We'll get to see this in the anime this week! ^^

[jayshow]

Well besides power levels and stuff and how Rukia is stronger then him. Even if he was like Ulq's level somehow Kubo would have had Rukia sama win simply because shes the second most popular character in bleach and her Zan is too.

Kubo always said he likes her Zan the best, honestly people talk about power levels and stuff but the only reason we havent seen Rukia's bankai is he doesnt wanna fuck it up. Not for the fans but himself. He knows Rukia is his leading girl and he's being very careful lately with her. He's simply thinking up her bankai and still hasnt made up his mind about it.

But ya I agree with you 100 percent, he should have released made like 100,000 bad guys then unreleased...then he would have had a shot to win. But these bad guys keep thinking just because there behind Aizen they have nothing to fear because he fears nothing... Sorry but just because you serve a guy it doesnt make you like him.. It just makes you a moron.

Its hard to say how Hakuren would have done to him unreleased if she hit him head on. She kinda was being careful when fireing it since it was between him and Ichigo. Hence why it just got his hand.

We'll get to see this in the anime this week! ^^

Uh I think Rukia needs like decades of training to obtain bankai unless Kubo does some plotkai since she is technically THE main character.

Bankai was stated to be some sort of unattainable legendary feat and that only a handful of talented shinigami could even hope to obtain it (as stated by Byakuya). Rukia's reiatsu is nowhere near spectacular although her kido prowess combined with her shikai should put her at a low vc level.

Not to shit on Rukia, but the majority of her fights were against absolute idiots who had a combined IQ of 50. DRoy the moron who got rapestomped by Rukia's 1st dance, AA who conveniently could not break out of her pathetic level #4/#61 binding and got his glass head shattered, and now Rudobon who is perhaps one of the dumbest idiots of all time.

Why release into a tree when his opponent is a master of Ice? Especially a tree that grows minions. Who does Kubo think he's fooling? Arrancar cannot be THAT dumb, my good god. At this rate, all of the villians will die of retardation, like Zomari and Tousen in battle.

[kochito22]

Uh I think Rukia needs like decades of training to obtain bankai unless Kubo does some plotkai since she is technically THE main character.

Bankai was stated to be some sort of unattainable legendary feat and that only a handful of talented shinigami could even hope to obtain it (as stated by Byakuya). Rukia's reiatsu is nowhere near spectacular although her kido prowess combined with her shikai should put her at a low vc level.

Not to shit on Rukia, but the majority of her fights were against absolute idiots who had a combined IQ of 50. DRoy the moron who got rapestomped by Rukia's 1st dance, AA who conveniently could not break out of her pathetic level #4/#61 binding and got his glass head shattered, and now Rudobon who is perhaps one of the dumbest idiots of all time.

Why release into a tree when his opponent is a master of Ice? Especially a tree that grows minions. Who does Kubo think he's fooling? Arrancar cannot be THAT dumb, my good god. At this rate, all of the villians will die of retardation, like Zomari and Tousen in battle.

And here I was all this time thinking Ichigo was the main character...

Ikkaku doesn't have impressive reiatsu yet he has bankai.

Tousen's alive and kicking.

[Yadomaru]

IIRC, Kubo designed Rukia as the main character originally, but then decided that she wouldn't work as a lead and designed Ichigo instead.
Forget where I read that, I think it was in one of his interviews.

[Luune]

Rudoban totally didn't make enough dudes before the fight. That fool shoulda been making minions anytime he had a free second. Instead he was like, "nah I'll just make them during the fight, it should be ok."

That fight probably would have gone differently if he had 10,000 guys already made. Assuming that there is no limit on how many he can make, I think his ability is pretty powerful.

[Kingkon]

Rudoban totally didn't make enough dudes before the fight. That fool shoulda been making minions anytime he had a free second. Instead he was like, "nah I'll just make them during the fight, it should be ok."

That fight probably would have gone differently if he had 10,000 guys already made. Assuming that there is no limit on how many he can make, I think his ability is pretty powerful.

Well he did make a whole army of them before but Renji, Chad, Rukia took care of them, they where too weak and pointless anyways... what I don't get is that Rudabon knew that Rukia had an ice type zanpakto which could easily freeze his skulls, yet he chose to release

[darkp]

I would say VC level. He could create mass . But those dude looks like too weak. Even at mass number ,they are not look any serious threat against captain lvl opponents.

[Lnrd]

Well according to these confirmed spoilers Yammy would shit on all VC level fighters.

[Rosh]

^ Agreed, But still dont know the extent of his powers. But yeah he would own the VC's

[IchiRuki08]

IIRC, Kubo designed Rukia as the main character originally, but then decided that she wouldn't work as a lead and designed Ichigo instead.
Forget where I read that, I think it was in one of his interviews.


Yup thats correct! Rukia was supposed to have a scythe while all the other characters had guns. Kubo was worried he would just get fangirls to watch his series so he went with Ichigo with Rukia as the other main character so he can keep playing with match up fans as well lol.. So basically she would have been Ichigo but with about 100000 plotkai points. I'd say plotkai wise she has 5000 right now lol.

Yammy of course beats everyone in the state of plotkai as we know it. Which is over a million plotkai points. Ya sleeping and eatting makes you stronger then all of the bad guys and almost as strong as aizen. Ya.... Honestly again Ive said it before. I wont debate about ANY character powering up in Bleach anymore, nor should anyone else. Its anything goes at this point. If Rukia randomly pulls out bankai against Yammy.. Everyone be cool with it. If chad bankai's even though he's not even a shingami... Lets live with it. If Renji gets bankai 2 then fine. With Yammy Kubo has totally messed up who should be strong and who shouldnt. lol.

If Kon shows up and kicks Yammy's head off.. Lets all laugh and chear. Because for all we know Kon is the Soul King. lol.

[jayshow]

Yup thats correct! Rukia was supposed to have a scythe while all the other characters had guns. Kubo was worried he would just get fangirls to watch his series so he went with Ichigo with Rukia as the other main character so he can keep playing with match up fans as well lol.. So basically she would have been Ichigo but with about 100000 plotkai points. I'd say plotkai wise she has 5000 right now lol.

Yammy of course beats everyone in the state of plotkai as we know it. Which is over a million plotkai points. Ya sleeping and eatting makes you stronger then all of the bad guys and almost as strong as aizen. Ya.... Honestly again Ive said it before. I wont debate about ANY character powering up in Bleach anymore, nor should anyone else. Its anything goes at this point. If Rukia randomly pulls out bankai against Yammy.. Everyone be cool with it. If chad bankai's even though he's not even a shingami... Lets live with it. If Renji gets bankai 2 then fine. With Yammy Kubo has totally messed up who should be strong and who shouldnt. lol.

If Kon shows up and kicks Yammy's head off.. Lets all laugh and chear. Because for all we know Kon is the Soul King. lol.

Although Rukia has won all her fights so far due to an ability mismatch or facing against retarded opponents, I think it would be suitable for her to have bankai. I mean a lot of people (including me) would logically assume that she shouldn't be able to achieve it since her reiatsu is laughable and she doesn't seem destined to be a strong character. But then again, Renji achieved bankai and since Rukia is primary female lead I hope she gets bankai just so that she could hang with Ichigo and not feel outclassed in every possible way.

But the VCs such as Kira/Hisagi/etc.. should not be able to use bankai.... yet. Maybe another century or so of nonstop training so that they could refine their skills and fill the void captain seats. Chad should unlock a full set of armor and Orihime being the secondary female lead should develop an offensive skillset instead of always relying on Ichigo. Ishida should master his powers such that he would not be a disgrace to his father.

However, these developments need to be spread out over time. It can't happen right away in the next chapter vs Yammi, or everything will seem rushed and out of place. I hope Yammi is given the 0 tatoo based on his potential and not his current power level. The dome seems perfectly fine and he released already, so he is probably slightly weaker than R1 Ulquoirra. Of course it's just speculation but it would be logical.

[pumpkin13]

It takes roughly ten years hard work to learn bankai, then another ten to master it i believe.

[eneru92]

It takes roughly ten years hard work to learn bankai, then another ten to master it i believe.

True .
However , we cannot say for sure that Rukia hasn't began to train for bankai .
Considering that AA knew perfectly her fighting style and how her shikai work , she has probably mastered first and second dance when Kaien was still alive .
I don't be suprised if we find out that she gained her third dance while training for obtaining bankai .

[Szarlej]

Ya sleeping and eatting makes you stronger then all of the bad guys and almost as strong as aizen.

LOL, then Omaeda should be in 0th Division.

If Rukia randomly pulls out bankai against Yammy.. Everyone be cool with it.

Kubo, give a real reason for Rukia to pulls out bankai and I won't complain.

We know that Renji and Ikkaku were training. If Matsumoto and Yumichika would release bankai, I won't be surprise, because Kubo showed them training.

[RsR]

LOL, then Omaeda should be in 0th Division.



Kubo, give a real reason for Rukia to pulls out bankai and I won't complain.

We know that Renji and Ikkaku were training. If Matsumoto and Yumichika would release bankai, I won't be surprise, because Kubo showed them training.


Rukia trained with Orihime right?

[kochito22]

Yes, she trained with someone who can't fight. I doubt Kobe Bryant will get much better at basketball by playing against a little league player in basketball.

[RsR]

^ true ; better than having the king's seal haha...

[kochito22]

We know that Renji and Ikkaku were training. If Matsumoto and Yumichika would release bankai, I won't be surprise, because Kubo showed them training.

I would be because Yumichika and his sword don't communicate well at all.

[IchiRuki08]

True .
However , we cannot say for sure that Rukia hasn't began to train for bankai .
Considering that AA knew perfectly her fighting style and how her shikai work , she has probably mastered first and second dance when Kaien was still alive .
I don't be suprised if we find out that she gained her third dance while training for obtaining bankai .

LOL, then Omaeda should be in 0th Division.

Who knows maybe he's Kon's subortinate and 1st kings knight forgodsakes lol. Sleeping and eating makes you powerful. Rukia needs to eat some meat and stuff... Besides a juice, has she ever eaten in the series?! Heck Kubo doesnt show too many characters eatting besides yourchi after she fought yammy...


Kubo, give a real reason for Rukia to pulls out bankai and I won't complain.

We know that Renji and Ikkaku were training. If Matsumoto and Yumichika would release bankai, I won't be surprise, because Kubo showed them training.

Well fighting Mr 0 Koolade is a pretty big reason lol. Kubo seems to be powering up everyone lately, honestly thats fine with me, keep it up Kubo now do the main characters and I'll be happy.

Yes, she trained with someone who can't fight. I doubt Kobe Bryant will get much better at basketball by playing against a little league player in basketball.

Well Orihime was good target practice lol. Rukia has as much skill as renji if not she's better in some parts. Renji has her beat in brute strieth but shikai power she kills him and kido as well.

But the fact of the matter is Kubo showed Mr Tree guy wasnt a problem for Rukia at all, and he wanted her at almost 100 percent to go up against Yammy, with Renji and Chad. Pretty interesting. While in no way I'm saying Rukia can beat Yammy. If that happens even I'll be freaking shocked. But if she learns bankai during her fight with Yammy that would be cool. She doesnt have to win to progress. If she loses against Yammy no ones going to falt her either. Kubo pulled this out of his butt and made the weakest the strongest. So please no debate on who deserves it. Yammy got a power up by once again sleeping and eatting. Rukia, Chad, and Renji have gotten messed up enough they need one and are more deserving ^^.

[kochito22]

Well Orihime was good target practice lol. Rukia has as much skill as renji if not she's better in some parts. Renji has her beat in brute strieth but shikai power she kills him and kido as well.

Shikai power? We've seen her kill 2 gillian arrancar. She used her shikai on an adjuchas arrancar that was injured. He broke out of it without difficulty and nearly killed her. Renji has surpassed her since the academy.

[LazyBum]

Lol at Rukia being stronger than Renji

Main Character Crew
Ichigo
Chad
Renji or Ishida
Ishida or Renji
Rukia
Orihime

[Szarlej]

Shikai power? We've seen her kill 2 gillian arrancar

D.Roy was Adjuchas. A shit of Adjuchas, but still Adjuchas.

[IchiGin]

This is referred to actual espada , past espada or both of them ? Can he be considered at the level of a privaron ?

^^ no! no! and NO! The bastard is too bloody weak... Above fraccion, I doubt... can he stand up against Halibel's Fraccion's Allon (their true power)?

[eneru92]

Shikai power? We've seen her kill 2 gillian arrancar. She used her shikai on an adjuchas arrancar that was injured. He broke out of it without difficulty and nearly killed her. Renji has surpassed her since the academy.

Renji with 20 % bankai couldn't be able to defeat unreleased ilforte grantz .
Considering that bankai is about 5 to 10 time stronger than a shikai , it's like Renji fought against ilforte with his shikai .
While Rukia raped D-roy ( he was trash , but still an arrancar ) with just one hit , renji got badly raped by ilforte .
Also , while hakuren managed to block grimmjow for some seconds ( I know he could have dodged , but I'm talking about the fact he couldn't escape from it immediately ) and shirafune pierced AA's face , zabimaru's swing barely scratched szayel .
So , at last their shikai power is equal .

Renji surpass Rukia only in zanjutsu .
But he would get raped by her in kido and shikai ( don't forget that tsuki shiro is fucking istant death , and Renji doesn't have hierro ) .
However , i don't have an idea on who is the faster between them .

[IchiRuki08]

Renji with 20 % bankai couldn't be able to defeat unreleased ilforte grantz .
Considering that bankai is about 5 to 10 time stronger than a shikai , it's like Renji fought against ilforte with his shikai .
While Rukia raped D-roy ( he was trash , but still an arrancar ) with just one hit , renji got badly raped by ilforte .
Also , while hakuren managed to block grimmjow for some seconds ( I know he could have dodged , but I'm talking about the fact he couldn't escape from it immediately ) and shirafune pierced AA's face , zabimaru's swing barely scratched szayel .
So , at last their shikai power is equal .

Renji surpass Rukia only in zanjutsu .
But he would get raped by her in kido and shikai ( don't forget that tsuki shiro is fucking istant death , and Renji doesn't have hierro ) .
However , i don't have an idea on who is the faster between them .

Yes 1st dance is instant death to anyone without iron skin. Aizen and Gin probley would use there reisatu or something to save themselfs from the ice itself I guess.

Faster? I would give it to Rukia, epecially if Renji bankai's he has to just stand there and swing his thing around (LOL) Honestly Renji's bankai is pretty useless, thats why he doesnt use it in the manga that much because it gets raped. Remember when Renji fought Byakuya. He was fighting Renji's bankai and then he attacked the just standing there renji with Kido. Rukia fights like her brother and is almost as good as kido as him so she would do the same thing against renji. Renji is a moron too.. So he may have had trouble against the tree guy lol.

[LazyBum]

You just said that Rukia is almost as good as her brother at Kido, im sorry but you sealed any argument you can ever place on this forum because of the fact you have been completely blinded by your fangirlism

[IchiRuki08]

You just said that Rukia is almost as good as her brother at Kido, im sorry but you sealed any argument you can ever place on this forum because of the fact you have been completely blinded by your fangirlism


Sorry I know your new here but I never try to hide the fact I'm a fangirl lol.

Besides I said almost. It doesnt mean shes better then him or on the same level. But she of course will be by the end of the series.

Heres how it works... Ichigo is almost as crazy as Kenpachi... almost... ^^

Just like the tree guy was almost as strong as Rukia..... almost thats why he lost. lol...ok..hes not almost as strong she kinda owned him and we all know it lol.

[Szarlej]

If he is almost as strong as Rukia, then he is weak as hell.

[IchiRuki08]

umm we've already said he was weak.... lol Rukia sama is a VC level so he's below that... thats all. He just has a trick like all of these werid fraccion things do. OOOH I make endless weak as hell evil versions of myself. oooo lol.

[Szarlej]

Rukia is a low tier VC level at best. She can became a 3rd seat with her current abilities.

[samir12]

Guys don't bother debating on Rukia's power level with a rukiafan, they ain't never going to change their opinion despite whatever facts you throw at them. And thats a fact.

[eneru92]

Rukia is a low tier VC level at best. She can became a 3rd seat with her current abilities.

Sure .
A third seat with a full developed shikai with three different abilities , capable enough to easily defeat the captain of the exequias and blocking for some second Grimmjow , and to use two level 60 kido simultanely without effort .
If this is a third seat , VC level fighter are monsters

[LazyBum]

The fanboyism/girlism is strong with this young one

[eneru92]

The fanboyism/girlism is strong with this young one

And the nonsense is strong with you .
Please , stop posting bullshit just because you don't like Rukia . Be serious

[kochito22]

If he is almost as strong as Rukia, then he is weak as hell.

Agreed.

[vastroLordeIchigo]

renji's bankai isnt weak. he just doesnt know how to use it. i barely see him use that beam that came out of his bankai when he fought the arrancar. sorry in a rush to type

[IchiRuki08]

Well Byakuya did point out renji needs 10 years of bankai trainning, thanks to kubo renji has a month or so lol. Rukia of course will be a natural like Ichigo well...not really Ichigo doesnt know how to use his bankai that well either he uses his hollow powers more then his shingami ones. Rukia will have a killer bankai and Rubodon will wake up in time from yammys hit to get nuked by it lol. Seriously though I know I keep saying it but I want the main characters powered up, Rukia, Chad and Renji, they need it against Yammy. Hisu just pulled out a wtf defence against his one shot kill move so lets go Kubo!

[Soujirou]

Well Byakuya did point out renji needs 10 years of bankai trainning, thanks to kubo renji has a month or so lol. Rukia of course will be a natural like Ichigo well...not really Ichigo doesnt know how to use his bankai that well either he uses his hollow powers more then his shingami ones. Rukia will have a killer bankai and Rubodon will wake up in time from yammys hit to get nuked by it lol. Seriously though I know I keep saying it but I want the main characters powered up, Rukia, Chad and Renji, they need it against Yammy. Hisu just pulled out a wtf defence against his one shot kill move so lets go Kubo!

Then will you have to wait UNTILLLL the those three Captain vs Espada to end.
It may take months, but i dont think Rukia will get another improvement this soon, and Renji...well...he got no innate power that may go out any given time, he needs training to master his bankai and get new techniques, so Sado got the biggest chance of being the one to finish Yammi out of the three, THAT if one of the three is going to do Yammi in.

[GOWSRB]

That is a beyond huge power up that you're waiting for then. Especially since Yammi is potentially the strongest espada there is. Even if Rukia pulled out bankai, Renji somehow knows how to use his, and Chad gets another upgrade, the chances of them succeeding in defeating him are slim to none. While I have no qualms about Rukia receiving a power up (though I can think of other characters I'd much rather see in action) there really is no point in giving her one at this point.

[kochito22]

D.Roy was Adjuchas. A shit of Adjuchas, but still Adjuchas.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/213/19/

[IchiRuki08]

That is a beyond huge power up that you're waiting for then. Especially since Yammi is potentially the strongest espada there is. Even if Rukia pulled out bankai, Renji somehow knows how to use his, and Chad gets another upgrade, the chances of them succeeding in defeating him are slim to none. While I have no qualms about Rukia receiving a power up (though I can think of other characters I'd much rather see in action) there really is no point in giving her one at this point.

Well honestly I would be fine if they all just upgraded and still didnt beat Yammy.

The point is that they actually get stronger from this fight. We've all seen there moves now and they need new ones. Rukia has the Most attacks out of any of them but she still needs bankai at this point simply because she isnt as strong as Yama and Aizen so in order to deal a great bit of damage like her brother to the bad guys she needs a upgrade.

After they all become stronger, Yammy still stands...damaged but still stands... ichigo shows up does some damage to him as well..but its still not enough.. then the captains all show up and all the characters together destroy Yammy.

AKA how Cell was killed in DBZ but of course wayy more cooler looking ^^

Now what would be wrong with that?

[kochito22]

Bankai is rare, generally reserved for the elite. It's rare even in the noble families which have abnormal reiatsu. Rukia is commoner. What makes her deserving of bankai?

[I Can Has Bankai?!]

part of me thinks urahara is gonna come in before yammy is defeated since yammy might be the strongest espada and I doubt renji, rukia, and chad are gonna be enough unohana could possibly beat him but thats unknown since we've never seen her fight. As for the other captains mayuri won't fight since his sword is broken, kenpachi could come in but I think his fight with nnoitra took to much of a toll on him but i could be wrong, and then theres byakuya who is perfectly fine and could in if needed. But the reason I think Urahara will come in is because 1.because of the kind of "rivalry" beteween him and yammy and 2. he is the only one who knows how to make those garganta things and get evreyone out of HM.

[IchiRuki08]

Bankai is rare, generally reserved for the elite. It's rare even in the noble families which have abnormal reiatsu. Rukia is commoner. What makes her deserving of bankai?

3 words end this

Ikkaku has bankai

The damn guy doesnt even know how to use kido. He lost to Ichigo who didnt even master his shikai yet...but he has bankai?! LOL sorry again I'll say this time and time again. When Ikkaku got bankai, that opened the door for anyone to have bankai in this series.

Renji is also a commoner... Class has nothing to do with having bankai. Honestly we all know its coming theres no use in fighting it. Rukia was the 1st character made for bleach, she started the fucking story, she cares about her friends deeply. She mastered her shikai to the point she has 3 attacks for it. Shes very good at kido casting. She is part of a nobile family, shes a main character. Shes the lead girl in Bleach.

Kubo has put her on this moutain where he is waiting for the right time to pull out her bankai. Honestly I dont know if it will be here or not. Thats up to him.

But given the current rate of transformations in the story all of a sudden to see it happening soon I wouldnt be shocked at all. It seems like the time. This is the Winter War and she is up against someone who seems to be stronger then the top 3. So a power up is needed.

IchiRuki is the big point in this series now. Its marketing as well. Ichigo got a major power up a few chapters ago. I'm just saying Ive been watching anime/manga a long time I can tell when the other lead character is going to get a power up. Kubo wants to keep this series going and in order to keep it fresh and feeling new transformations are needed for the main cast. ^^

[kochito22]

3 words end this

Ikkaku has bankai

The damn guy doesnt even know how to use kido. He lost to Ichigo who didnt even master his shikai yet...but he has bankai?! LOL sorry again I'll say this time and time again. When Ikkaku got bankai, that opened the door for anyone to have bankai in this series.

Renji is also a commoner... Class has nothing to do with having bankai. Honestly we all know its coming theres no use in fighting it. Rukia was the 1st character made for bleach, she started the fucking story, she cares about her friends deeply. She mastered her shikai to the point she has 3 attacks for it. Shes very good at kido casting. She is part of a nobile family, shes a main character. Shes the lead girl in Bleach.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/162/07/

You say class has nothing to do with having bankai yet you mention that she's part of a noble family. She was adopted into the family. She doesn't have noble blood. Rukia deserves bankai because she cares about her friends deeply?

Kubo has put her on this moutain where he is waiting for the right time to pull out her bankai. Honestly I dont know if it will be here or not. Thats up to him.

But given the current rate of transformations in the story all of a sudden to see it happening soon I wouldnt be shocked at all. It seems like the time. This is the Winter War and she is up against someone who seems to be stronger then the top 3. So a power up is needed.

Or she can lose. That would make more sense. She's weak. He's strong.

IchiRuki is the big point in this series now. Its marketing as well. Ichigo got a major power up a few chapters ago. I'm just saying Ive been watching anime/manga a long time I can tell when the other lead character is going to get a power up. Kubo wants to keep this series going and in order to keep it fresh and feeling new transformations are needed for the main cast. ^^

Adding her bankai to the story would be recycling the same plot point he's been using for a while: giving characters a power up to make them win fights.

Rubodon hasn't been mentioned in this thread for a while. I think Rukia's less than VC level so he is too.

[KingtheKing]

part of me thinks urahara is gonna come in before yammy is defeated since yammy might be the strongest espada and I doubt renji, rukia, and chad are gonna be enough unohana could possibly beat him but thats unknown since we've never seen her fight. As for the other captains mayuri won't fight since his sword is broken, kenpachi could come in but I think his fight with nnoitra took to much of a toll on him but i could be wrong, and then theres byakuya who is perfectly fine and could in if needed. But the reason I think Urahara will come in is because 1.because of the kind of "rivalry" beteween him and yammy and 2. he is the only one who knows how to make those garganta things and get evreyone out of HM.

I actually agree with this since I doubt Chad, Rukia and Renji can take on Yammi if he really is the strongest espada. I feel like a new character might become involved in the fight. Urahara would be perfect for this because of the reasons mentioned above. I'd hope I'd finnally get an appearance from Ishhin and Ryuken since Ichigo and Ishida are there and I think it would be an interesting twist.

As for Rubodon's power level, he is weak as hell, not even Privaron Espada level. Rukia killed him no problem so I don't think he is even Privaron espada level.


3 words end this

Ikkaku has bankai

The damn guy doesnt even know how to use kido. He lost to Ichigo who didnt even master his shikai yet...but he has bankai?! LOL sorry again I'll say this time and time again. When Ikkaku got bankai, that opened the door for anyone to have bankai in this series.

Renji is also a commoner... Class has nothing to do with having bankai. Honestly we all know its coming theres no use in fighting it. Rukia was the 1st character made for bleach, she started the fucking story, she cares about her friends deeply. She mastered her shikai to the point she has 3 attacks for it. Shes very good at kido casting. She is part of a nobile family, shes a main character. Shes the lead girl in Bleach.

Kubo has put her on this moutain where he is waiting for the right time to pull out her bankai. Honestly I dont know if it will be here or not. Thats up to him.

But given the current rate of transformations in the story all of a sudden to see it happening soon I wouldnt be shocked at all. It seems like the time. This is the Winter War and she is up against someone who seems to be stronger then the top 3. So a power up is needed.

IchiRuki is the big point in this series now. Its marketing as well. Ichigo got a major power up a few chapters ago. I'm just saying Ive been watching anime/manga a long time I can tell when the other lead character is going to get a power up. Kubo wants to keep this series going and in order to keep it fresh and feeling new transformations are needed for the main cast. ^^

I agree with this as well, the main characters might get some power ups, but i don't see Rukia pulling out a bankai in this fight. I think they are going to get help from someone new, i just get that feeling.

I think we might see a bankai from Rukia in the not too distant chapter if the bad guys have so much power, it would be best to reveal Rukia's Bankai because she is the closest one to it. She does have a lot experience and can control her shikai very well.

IchiRuki is very important in this show because that's how the show started. It started from their story and it should continue their story. Ichigo already has a hell of a lot of evil powers so Rukia needs to keep up with him, from my point of view anyway. :)

[IchiRuki08]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/162/07/

You say class has nothing to do with having bankai yet you mention that she's part of a noble family. She was adopted into the family. She doesn't have noble blood. Rukia deserves bankai because she cares about her friends deeply?



Or she can lose. That would make more sense. She's weak. He's strong.



Adding her bankai to the story would be recycling the same plot point he's been using for a while: giving characters a power up to make them win fights.

Rubodon hasn't been mentioned in this thread for a while. I think Rukia's less than VC level so he is too.

Yet Rubodon probley would have beat alot of VC's so honestly you need to understand Rukia is pretty powerful. I love how recycling plot is always said when people don't want characters they dont like to get a power up lol. Its a shonen manga. How else do characters get power ups?

Ichigo just got his power up in order to win his fight, Kenpachi just got a kendo powerup to win his fight, Chad got a power up to win his fight, Rukia got a shikai attack to beat AA. Hisu just pulled out a new move in order to keep fighting...so your point is what again? This is a fighting manga/anime powerup's are the name of the game lol.

Besides stop acting like her getting bankai would mean she beats Yammy. It doesnt. This fight doesnt have to result in Yammy being killed by newly powered up characters. But he can push them to there limit where there forced to get stronger in order to keep living. But it still wont be enough and they probley will get outside help. But they'll still progress. Whats wrong with that?

Rubodon vs Rukia fight was a way for Kubo to show that Rukia has mastered her shikai and easily did away with a pretty strong bad guy here. Its to show that she's ready for this upgrade your fearing so much. Its no big deal, jeaz she's a main character you know its coming anyway. Her fanbase surpasses the main main character Ichigo wtf do you think is going to happen. Hell if I was the creator and I hated Rukia I would still power her up simply because I like making money off my series. Its my bread and butter. Now Kubo actually loves Rukia so whats that tell you? lol.



I actually agree with this since I doubt Chad, Rukia and Renji can take on Yammi if he really is the strongest espada. I feel like a new character might become involved in the fight. Urahara would be perfect for this because of the reasons mentioned above. I'd hope I'd finnally get an appearance from Ishhin and Ryuken since Ichigo and Ishida are there and I think it would be an interesting twist.

As for Rubodon's power level, he is weak as hell, not even Privaron Espada level. Rukia killed him no problem so I don't think he is even Privaron espada level.




I agree with this as well, the main characters might get some power ups, but i don't see Rukia pulling out a bankai in this fight. I think they are going to get help from someone new, i just get that feeling.

I think we might see a bankai from Rukia in the not too distant chapter if the bad guys have so much power, it would be best to reveal Rukia's Bankai because she is the closest one to it. She does have a lot experience and can control her shikai very well.

IchiRuki is very important in this show because that's how the show started. It started from their story and it should continue their story. Ichigo already has a hell of a lot of evil powers so Rukia needs to keep up with him, from my point of view anyway. :)

Good point! ^^ Though honestly I would like for some of those characters to show up, Yammy fell down to where Rukia, Chad, and Renji are. Kubo could have had him fall down to where the captains where and we couldnt had said boo about it lol. He wants Rukia, Renji and Chad to fight Yammy. So thats what where going to get. If he didnt want that, then he wouldnt have matched him up against them in the 1st place. Thats not to say they wont get help later on. But thats after a power up.

[kochito22]

Yet Rubodon probley would have beat alot of VC's so honestly you need to understand Rukia is pretty powerful. I love how recycling plot is always said when people don't want characters they dont like to get a power up lol. Its a shonen manga. How else do characters get power ups?

Ichigo just got his power up in order to win his fight, Kenpachi just got a kendo powerup to win his fight, Chad got a power up to win his fight, Rukia got a shikai attack to beat AA. Hisu just pulled out a new move in order to keep fighting...so your point is what again? This is a fighting manga/anime powerup's are the name of the game lol.

Besides stop acting like her getting bankai would mean she beats Yammy. It doesnt. This fight doesnt have to result in Yammy being killed by newly powered up characters. But he can push them to there limit where there forced to get stronger in order to keep living. But it still wont be enough and they probley will get outside help. But they'll still progress. Whats wrong with that?

Rubodon vs Rukia fight was a way for Kubo to show that Rukia has mastered her shikai and easily did away with a pretty strong bad guy here. Its to show that she's ready for this upgrade your fearing so much. Its no big deal, jeaz she's a main character you know its coming anyway. Her fanbase surpasses the main main character Ichigo wtf do you think is going to happen. Hell if I was the creator and I hated Rukia I would still power her up simply because I like making money off my series. Its my bread and butter. Now Kubo actually loves Rukia so whats that tell you? lol.

Kenpachi has always had Kendo. Chad unlocked this power before even entering HM. They both trained for what they got. Rukia pulling bankai out of her ass would be a travesty. Rukia hasn't trained for bankai. Even Ichigo, the main character, needed to train specifically for bankai. Rukia shot a few kido spells at Orihime. That does nothing.

[IchiRuki08]

Kenpachi has always had Kendo. Chad unlocked this power before even entering HM. They both trained for what they got. Rukia pulling bankai out of her ass would be a travesty. Rukia hasn't trained for bankai. Even Ichigo, the main character, needed to train specifically for bankai. Rukia shot a few kido spells at Orihime. That does nothing.


We know she had to be talking to her Zan since her Zan saved her from the blow she got from AA after she was KO'ed. The ice sealed the wound. To learn bankai you simply have to master your Zan. Kubo simply has to say while she was KO'ed she did that. To clear up all your wtf's and stuff like that Kubo simply needs to show a flashback just like he did with Kenpachi.

No kenpachi didnt always have Kendo. If he did he would have used it on Ichigo for a overkill move. No Kubo thought it up and supported it by saying he always had it. Hell! Even Yama Personalty trained him!...wtf! LOL.. Theres a difference. He can do the same for Rukia easily with her talking to her Zan and doing the bankai training while she was KO'ed.

To get Bankai your Zan simply has to acknowledge you as there master. If thats done the training is complete. So to say its out of the question means you havent been paying attention to Bleach lately.

Anything goes at this point. Yammy sleeping and eating his way to Rank 0 should make you pissed off enough to admit that.

[KingtheKing]

Kenpachi has always had Kendo. Chad unlocked this power before even entering HM. They both trained for what they got. Rukia pulling bankai out of her ass would be a travesty. Rukia hasn't trained for bankai. Even Ichigo, the main character, needed to train specifically for bankai. Rukia shot a few kido spells at Orihime. That does nothing.

Well I it didn't show specifically what kind of training Rukia did, I mean it only showed a litle bit of what you mentioned but nothing else. I mean mastering bankai, would probably be a no but achieving it is quite a possibility. If she won't get a power-up, then it wouldn't exavtlly balance the show with everyone else getting stringer and showing new powers and she didn't. I'm don't think a bankai will occur in this battle but quite possibly very soon, or maybe some sort of power up would do but she can't stay at the same level forever and no new powers were shown so I think Kubo is saving it up for later.

Ow man, Yammi being 0 really pissed me off when I found it out. On one side it was a twist, and on the other I really wanted Stark to be the strongest.

[kochito22]

We know she had to be talking to her Zan since her Zan saved her from the blow she got from AA after she was KO'ed. The ice sealed the wound. To learn bankai you simply have to master your Zan. Kubo simply has to say while she was KO'ed she did that. To clear up all your wtf's and stuff like that Kubo simply needs to show a flashback just like he did with Kenpachi.

No kenpachi didnt always have Kendo. If he did he would have used it on Ichigo for a overkill move. No Kubo thought it up and supported it by saying he always had it. Hell! Even Yama Personalty trained him!...wtf! LOL.. Theres a difference. He can do the same for Rukia easily with her talking to her Zan and doing the bankai training while she was KO'ed.

To get Bankai your Zan simply has to acknowledge you as there master. If thats done the training is complete. So to say its out of the question means you havent been paying attention to Bleach lately.

Anything goes at this point. Yammy sleeping and eating his way to Rank 0 should make you pissed off enough to admit that.

Communication is required for shikai, not bankai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/127/05/

It takes years to achieve materialization.

[IchiRuki08]

Communication is required for shikai, not bankai.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/127/05/

It takes years to achieve materialization.


ugh I said MASTER your ZAN. Meaning your Zan acknowledges you as there master. Communication with your zan yes is for shikai meaning your working together and your zan does alot of the work and gives you power. Bankai your stronger then your zan and you mastered it. Yes materialization is important however we don't even know if Ikkaku did that since Kubo didnt even show it for him. He said said.. ya he has it. No backstory really just a flashback with him and renji...

Materialization once again could have happened off screen and we havent seen it yet. Meaning she could have Materialized her Zan in the SS and just didnt beat her Zan yet. All kubo has to do is have a little flashback and your point is moot. He'll pulling all kinds of crap out of his ass. He's already forgot alot of the rules he made for his own series he may have forgotten this as well. But the point is to get bankai your Zan simply has to submit to you.

Hell a persons Zan simply could be there own power thats simply sleeping and the character has no idea how to bring it out. Kubo never explained it fully yet.

Lets see what happens. I mean the chance of Bankai right now is about 50 50. But we will get a powerup at least. Just saying the natural step for her next is bankai but Kubo could hold it back like he's been for aizen, soi fon, gin, Yama and so on.

But the point of debating this any further is pointless. Kubo found out long ago that the "flashback" can make a character do anything he wants at any point in time.

I mean he changed the whole fucking story with Yammy being 0...

I will still never forget that...

Yammy: who said the espada are ranked 1-10?

Us:EVERYONE DID in the fucking MANGA including the fucking creator....Kubo changed the story itself for the sake of a twist...lol

He's winging it at this point. So again saying whos strong and whos not strong is kinda pointless. When he goes back to HM he could have Yammy killed by a 1000 foot tall chappy and we wouldnt be able to do a thing about it.

Just saying again a powerup and new attacks, bankai's are due simply because from a marketing standpoint your characters need to change there appearance a little so you can sell the new doll, videogame and so on lol.

[kochito22]

We know she had to be talking to her Zan since her Zan saved her from the blow she got from AA after she was KO'ed. The ice sealed the wound.

ugh I said MASTER your ZAN. Meaning your Zan acknowledges you as there master. Communication with your zan yes is for shikai meaning your working together and your zan does alot of the work and gives you power. Bankai your stronger then your zan and you mastered it. Yes materialization is important however we don't even know if Ikkaku did that since Kubo didnt even show it for him. He said said.. ya he has it. No backstory really just a flashback with him and renji...

Materialization once again could have happened off screen and we havent seen it yet. Meaning she could have Materialized her Zan in the SS and just didnt beat her Zan yet. All kubo has to do is have a little flashback and your point is moot. He'll pulling all kinds of crap out of his ass. He's already forgot alot of the rules he made for his own series he may have forgotten this as well. But the point is to get bankai your Zan simply has to submit to you.

Hell a persons Zan simply could be there own power thats simply sleeping and the character has no idea how to bring it out. Kubo never explained it fully yet.

Lets see what happens. I mean the chance of Bankai right now is about 50 50. But we will get a powerup at least. Just saying the natural step for her next is bankai but Kubo could hold it back like he's been for aizen, soi fon, gin, Yama and so on.

But the point of debating this any further is pointless. Kubo found out long ago that the "flashback" can make a character do anything he wants at any point in time.

I mean he changed the whole fucking story with Yammy being 0...

I will still never forget that...

Yammy: who said the espada are ranked 1-10?

Us:EVERYONE DID in the fucking MANGA including the fucking creator....Kubo changed the story itself for the sake of a twist...lol

He's winging it at this point. So again saying whos strong and whos not strong is kinda pointless. When he goes back to HM he could have Yammy killed by a 1000 foot tall chappy and we wouldnt be able to do a thing about it.

Just saying again a powerup and new attacks, bankai's are due simply because from a marketing standpoint your characters need to change there appearance a little so you can sell the new doll, videogame and so on lol.

As you've mentioned, she's the leading female character. If Kubo was doing it for fan service, he wouldn't do it off screen.

[IchiRuki08]

As you've mentioned, she's the leading female character. If Kubo was doing it for fan service, he wouldn't do it off screen.


True. After doing some research I found this...

From Annie at BA


Have you guys read that the new fillers starting from July will be about the zanpakutou? Now, according to Welis from episodes and dates thread, we will see Shirayuki real form for the first time (and this comes from the interview with Kubo). I read kyuuchannel blog this afternoon and she did mention shirayuki. But I wasn't sure if she was "hoping" to see that or it was really in an article.

Wha, I'd love to see shirayuki and if this rumor is true I would be cool with it. Kubo is involved in this filler so there's hope we might get to see Rukia and shirayuki in manga later http://www.bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/lmao.gif


Honestly if theres a hint of truth to any of this...and with things like this they end up being pretty true since July is a prime time to start fillers again.

I think before this happens we'll see shirayuki's form in the manga so people dont flip a shit lol.

How will it happen? Kubo likes running parallels when it comes to Ichigo and Rukia, she may be hurt and unable to move and shirayuki appears in front of her aka like Zangetsu appeared in front of Ichigo against Kenpachi.

Like I said Kubo is powering up the characters simply because he has to. The fans want more attacks and new powers otherwise you lose your crowd.

So thats what he's doing. Kubo since fade to black has gotten more involved with the anime projects as of late because right now the anime and manga are too close to each other and instead of stopping the anime series there going to the creator with idea's.

Rubodon was a way to simply show that the Bleach characters namely Rukia are past this guys point in power and there going to be fighting even stronger enemys. Namely the strongest right now... Yammy...Mr Koolade from 10 to 0...cheap ass himself.

Awww well...the next coming months should be pretty interesting :)