Naruto Chapter 448 Discussion

[ShadowKaze]

Spoiler looks sound. If this is correct, Great story telling by Kishi. I love how this reinforces that Naruto is the chosen one over Nagato.

[xPyrox]

Kinda curious if this means Negato's going to attack Naruto, or what.
In the spoiler it doesn't necessarily mean he's pissed off so I'm curious.

But probably will..

[Yadomaru]

Wow...Funny how things come full circle, innit?
According to the spoiler
Nagato inspired Jiraiya's novel. The novel's main character is the origin of Naruto's name. And now, Naruto and Nagato, both pupils of Jiraiya, are apparently gonna face off.
This is gonna be so cool...

[vastroLordeIchigo]

i predict hes gonna send his eyes to naruto 0.o

[KingtheKing]

I guess Naruto will have to kill Nagato after all...Good story, will have to wait for the actual chapter.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, Naruto really might have to kill Nagato after all.

@vastroLordeIchigo: Say what? I seriously doubt that's going to happen. There really might not be a way to reverse the effects of Nagato taking over a body. And I also doubt Naruto's going to ever get any eye techniques.

[Amon-Rukh]

Nay. Naruto and Nagato are about to become allies of some sort. You heard it here first. Believe it!

[btill9000]

I think those spoilers are fake....

[Infinitekaos]

If the spoilers are true, I wonder what Nagato is planning with the hand seals. Something to attack or something else? This could get very interesting again.

[-champloo-]

"I truly feel like taking a chance on you...Uzumaki Naruto!"

Yeah... That diction seems more hopeful than aggressive.

[1 up and 2 down]

The chapter is out, here:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/448/00/

[btill9000]

The technique he's about to use is going to undo all of the damage that he's done to the village. Probably bringing all of the people he killed back to life too. DBZ moment.

[Vergil]

LOL
How did even Jiraya come up with "Naruto" name??

[Ryuksgelus]

So ridiculous.

A mass murderers entire world perspective was changed in a single conversation by the naive idealism of a child because he heard the same words he said when he was younger?

Nagato's character is depressingly weak. He's Gaara(.375) without the interesting background shaping him. Kishi must have been watching that Southpark episode where Kyle gets Fidel Castro to turn Cuba into a democracy by writing him letter single letter when making this chapter.

Naruto is such an odd main character. He never says anything profound, though provoking, or even original(in RL or Narutoverse) yet everybody but Sasuke always has a weird epiphany talking to him.

[B_K_E]

LOL
How did even Jiraya come up with "Naruto" name??

When he was talking to the fourth and his wife when she was pregnant with Naruto, he said that he thought of the name while he was eating some Ramen lol.

This chapter wasn't that bad, I'm wondering what Nagato will do now that he believes in Naruto.

[razarok]

How bout this:

The technique at the end passes on the rinnegan to naruto, which naruto will (later) use to finally completely dominate the kyuubi *wishful thinking* ^^.

[-MaNi-]

The technique he's about to use is going to undo all of the damage that he's done to the village. Probably bringing all of the people he killed back to life too. DBZ moment.

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen.. that would be such a anticlimax closing...



The transfer of the eyes seem like they could happen.. Whatever he's doing, its gonna be helpful to naruto.. cant wait to see what it is

[Timeman]

Hopefully Nagato does not attack.
Either Naruto gets another powerup or Nagato commits suicide.

[TW501]

I thought that it was an excellent chapter. Not a ton of action, but lots of emotion. I am anxious to find out what happens next. It seems that Nagato is about to use some sort of technique at the end. I was personally speculating that he might end up transferring some of his power to Naruto. We know that Itachi has already given Naruto some of his power, so Itachi probably believed that Naruto would have a task in the future, originally to stop Sasuke from destroying the village, but now that Pain has already done that, it will probably be used to stop Madara. Nagato might end up doing something similar (he can't exactly just start working for Konoha all of a sudden, so it is probably through Naruto that he will try to accomplish things).

[fourwalls]

Wow, this chapter gave me a lot of surprises. Well, two to be exact.

I did not imagine that Nagato was Jiraiya's inspiration for writing that book. I always though it was Namikaze Minato. But it was a pleasant surprise.
The second surprise was Nagato giving his faith to Naruto. I did not imagine for such a quick conversion. Well, Naruto has that ability to to influence people, so this one is nothing new, but Pain is like a 'super-villain', so it's a little different.
I think the technique that Nagato is going to do is to grant Naruto some power or ability to help him find that peace he believes in so much. Or I could be wrong.

[Yadomaru]

I don't think it's necessarily that Nagato himself was/is evil. His actions undoubtedly were, but the way I see it, he acted the way he did because he saw the various villages as evil, because of what they did to him.
He's disillusioned, and suffocating in his own despair and hopelessness. And then along comes Naruto, someone who
1. Has the same ideals Nagato himself did when he was younger
2. is someone with whom Nagato shares, through Jiraiya, an extremely close connection, and
3. Is every bit as determined to bring about the peace he seeks as Nagato is determined to destroy it.
What I think happened is that Naruto has made him realize that there's always hope for a better future, and that he was going about it the wrong way - or, he's determined to find out which of them, Naruto(and by extension Jiraiya) or Nagato, is right...either that, or he's full of shit.

Regardless, I don't think Naruto is going to kill Nagato. I do however think that Nagato will die.
That said, amazing chapter. Perfect 10 in my book.

[camarofan2008]

I agree with Yadomaru, I believe the delusion that has trapped Nagato has finally been broken and now he can see that Pain is not the way to Peace. This was a pretty cool chapter not going to lie can't wait for next week.

[Vergil]

If Naruto gains Rinnengan that would be stupid because then he would be too overpowered.
He just doesn't need it.

[justin43]

I don't think it's necessarily that Nagato himself was/is evil. His actions undoubtedly were, but the way I see it, he acted the way he did because he saw the various villages as evil, because of what they did to him.
He's disillusioned, and suffocating in his own despair and hopelessness. And then along comes Naruto, someone who
1. Has the same ideals Nagato himself did when he was younger
2. is someone with whom Nagato shares, through Jiraiya, an extremely close connection, and
3. Is every bit as determined to bring about the peace he seeks as Nagato is determined to destroy it.
What I think happened is that Naruto has made him realize that there's always hope for a better future, and that he was going about it the wrong way - or, he's determined to find out which of them, Naruto(and by extension Jiraiya) or Nagato, is right...either that, or he's full of shit.

Regardless, I don't think Naruto is going to kill Nagato. I do however think that Nagato will die.
That said, amazing chapter. Perfect 10 in my book.



I agree with this assessment. Nagato is basely Naruto except Nagato made all the wrong decisions and gave up on the chance for a better future while Naruto never gave up on a better future. This chapter gets a 10 for me. The flashbacks as a whole have been very good and were very necessary to advance the character of Nagato and Naruto. This has been an amazing arc. This Pain arc may go as the best in Naruto thus far. With that said, I am very interesting on what Nagato is about to use next week.:guitar1:

[knocky]

time nijustus is comming maybe not be able to rebuild the leaf but at aleast bring back the people who have died wishful thinnking maybe

[x-Battousai-x]

What if Nagato releases all of the Bijuu?

[maxime1007]

Hum I don't think that time ninjutsu exist. Space distortion is another matter but not time.

I don't feel like speculating a lot on this matter even tough I'm full of idea of what could happen.

[Paragon]

Great chapter.

If Pain gives Naruto the Rinnegan that'd just be overkill for Naruto. Sage mode + Rinnegan = ownage. Doubt Kishi will hand Naruto that much power though, he'd want Sasuke to still stand a chance for when they eventually meet again i'd assume lol.

[x-Battousai-x]

Great chapter.

If Pain gives Naruto the Rinnegan that'd just be overall for Naruto. Sage mode + Rinnegan = ownage. Doubt Kishi will hand Naruto that much power though, he'd want Sasuke to still stand a chance for when they eventually meet again i'd assume lol.

Sasuke can still get one giant power-up, the EMS.

[maxime1007]

Well that would be fun to see Naruto totaly overpower Sasuke a little like Sasuke could overpower Naruto the first time they meet after the year gasp.

[justin43]

Well that would be fun to see Naruto totaly overpower Sasuke a little like Sasuke could overpower Naruto the first time they meet after the year gasp.

I would love to see this. Anyway, Nagato may release the souls human realm took, which could lead to Shizune coming back from the dead.

[afrotaito]

which other chapter i have i seen page 10-13 from? i'm sure thers a chapter with the 4th hokage rather than nagato acting the exact scenes

[arishkegal]

This chapter gets a 10/10, beautiful storytelling (as compared to Bleach) with the flashbacks. I think that Nagato is going to join Naruto. The technique he is going to use is going to probably reverse the damage done to Konoha, in order to inspire peace in that village. Naruto pledged to protect Pain's village as well. However, I think that Nagato will die within the next 2 chapters, he's still in very bad shape.:sad:

[B_K_E]

If Naruto gains Rinnengan that would be stupid because then he would be too overpowered.
He just doesn't need it.

Don't forget we still don't know what Itachi gave Naruto awhile back lol. I doubt it was just a hug farewell too.

[aajj1144]

Yeah, 10/10 for an excellent display of story telling. I could see Nagato doing either of the things mentioned so I can't say I would outright choose one over the other. I am leaning towards Nagato transferring some sort of power/technique to naruto kind of like Itachi. Nagato knows his time is short and he obviously can't join Naruto physically so imo the next best thing he could do to help naruto is lend him some of his power to help bring peace back.

Also Danzou is still lurking in the shadows as is the rest of Akatsuki..I wish we could get a double chapter one week..gosh next week will be a good chapter! :)

[z3ro2021]

maybe naruto gets the eyes but has the same ailment like kakashi where he cant use it for too long, that would be a smart power up

[Hokage_Dobby]

Naruto+Rinnegan+Sage Mode+Demon Fox+ Unknown Itachi gift= super overkill dragonball Z style. One of the reasons why I enjoy Naruto is that the power gaps are understandable! That would be severe overkill, but who knows, Kishimoto is a kick ass writer, he could pull it off.
I was actually suspecting Nagato is going to release the jutsu on himself, or perhaps the bijuu.

[ShadowKaze]

Naruto+Rinnegan+Sage Mode+Demon Fox+ Unknown Itachi gift= super overkill dragonball Z style. One of the reasons why I enjoy Naruto is that the power gaps are understandable! That would be severe overkill, but who knows, Kishimoto is a kick ass writer, he could pull it off.
I was actually suspecting Nagato is going to release the jutsu on himself, or perhaps the bijuu.

Rinnegan idea is just stupid. No. Turning this into DBZ like KT is trying to with Bleach? No thanks. DBZ isn't about story so why you care about story line. Naruto is about storyline for me. I don't know where you are going with this post, first you say that Naruto gaining Rinnegan is unreasonable then you kind of hope Kishi is going to do it.
Seriously Naruto getting Rinnegan is on par with Hitsugaya killing Halibel. Oh heck he might as well kill Barragan, Stark, Aizen, Gin, and Tousen.

[1 up and 2 down]

What if Nagato releases all of the Bijuu?

I don't think he would do that, because they would have no hosts and they would just rampart across the land.

[Zero-sama]

This is a great chapter, it deserves a 9 of 10. Kishi does it again.

[Marauda]

Two questions come to mind but before ask, I gotta say I loved this chapter. My first question is about Nagato as the leader of the Akatsuki, what is going to become of it and the few that is left? (I'm guessing they'll join Hawk) Second, ...I forgot the other question. Oh well, I left you guy's with a good one anyway.

[fourwalls]

The real leader is Tobi. He is pulling the strings from the shadows, so he will lead after Nagato leaves(if ever he does). And as for akatsuki joining hawk, i think it will be the other way around.

[Ryuksgelus]

I don't think it's necessarily that Nagato himself was/is evil. His actions undoubtedly were, but the way I see it, he acted the way he did because he saw the various villages as evil, because of what they did to him.
He's disillusioned, and suffocating in his own despair and hopelessness. And then along comes Naruto, someone who
1. Has the same ideals Nagato himself did when he was younger
2. is someone with whom Nagato shares, through Jiraiya, an extremely close connection, and
3. Is every bit as determined to bring about the peace he seeks as Nagato is determined to destroy it.
What I think happened is that Naruto has made him realize that there's always hope for a better future, and that he was going about it the wrong way - or, he's determined to find out which of them, Naruto(and by extension Jiraiya) or Nagato, is right...either that, or he's full of shit.

Regardless, I don't think Naruto is going to kill Nagato. I do however think that Nagato will die.
That said, amazing chapter. Perfect 10 in my book.

I'm baffled at how this is great storytelling. A man in his 30's is about to change his entire view on life because of the words of a teenager and thats good development? His life is no worse than Kakashi's and he didn't turn Psycho. Naruto did not say anything profound to Pein.

How a grown ass man couldn't come up with the same view himself is beyond retarded. How Konan, a personality less character, never managed to get Minato from ever steering down this path is equally retarded. People only go down the path Minato has when they've exhausted any other path they could think of....... In RL(or a well written story) simple concept like the one Naruto brought up would be torn apart by a competent experienced Adult. Anyone get what I'm trying to say.

[pumpkin13]

yeah, i do, but fuck all that shit, i just wanna know what jutsu he's going to use.

It's like, there's a difference between an Award Winning book, and a Best Selling book. Dan Brown can't write for shit, but the overall plot is good, and he structures his books in short chapters with a cliffhanger at the end of almost every one so people keep reading to find out what happens next.

Kishimoto is going for the bestselling (as is kubo for that matter) not the awardwinning.

[Zero-sama]

I have three possible theories regarding his final jutsu, either 1- he would do like a flashback jutsu with his rinnegan showing Naruto some horrifying things from the past, 2-give Naruto a good present (a new jutsu), or 3-attack Naruto so Naruto can defend himself from that justu and kill Pain so Naruto can liberate Pain's pain.

[samir12]

I reckon it will be a space/time jutsu which could reverse the damage done to Konoha at the cost of his life.

[afrotaito]

i think that undoing of any wrongs defeats the whole point of overcoming hatred

[Zero-sama]

^ nice one there Samir.

[ShadowKaze]

yeah, i do, but fuck all that shit, i just wanna know what jutsu he's going to use.

It's like, there's a difference between an Award Winning book, and a Best Selling book. Dan Brown can't write for shit, but the overall plot is good, and he structures his books in short chapters with a cliffhanger at the end of almost every one so people keep reading to find out what happens next.

Kishimoto is going for the bestselling (as is kubo for that matter) not the awardwinning.

Kishi has always done that. Many writers have always done that. What's the point?

[Delta]

i think that undoing of any wrongs defeats the whole point of overcoming hatred

I agree. Something like that would essentially make the whole arc pointless :/

[B_K_E]

I'm hoping that the next chapter will go straight to what jutsu Nagato is planning to use. Usually when things like this happen, it'll go to a different point of view in the manga or something. Ex: Neji's group

[arishkegal]

If Neji gets the wrong idea, it'll be the Chunnin exam battle all over again, I hope he understands........

[B_K_E]

Yeah, if Neji goes up against Nagato it'll be a wipe-out. Since Nagato is already in a weakened state as it is, it'll be like another Neji vs. Hinata fight, but with two guys instead lol.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I hope Naruto is able to make him listen to the what's going on before he does anything.

[B_K_E]

Unless Gai was there with Neji, which I think he is, will they only be able to understand Naruto's feelings. Then again Naruto was the reason that Neji "found the light" after the Chuunin Exams, so he might understand if Naruto explained.

[btill9000]

Unless Gai was there with Neji, which I think he is, will they only be able to understand Naruto's feelings. Then again Naruto was the reason that Neji "found the light" after the Chuunin Exams, so he might understand if Naruto explained.

I don't see how Neji is going to understand Naruto's decision here, because I don't even understand it. Only a farrrr left, liberal, anti death penalty, democrat can understand Naruto's current idealogy. With Kakashi having been killed, I am sure that Gai won't be in an understanding mood.

[Infinitekaos]

I'm baffled at how this is great storytelling. A man in his 30's is about to change his entire view on life because of the words of a teenager and thats good development? His life is no worse than Kakashi's and he didn't turn Psycho. Naruto did not say anything profound to Pein.

How a grown ass man couldn't come up with the same view himself is beyond retarded. How Konan, a personality less character, never managed to get Minato from ever steering down this path is equally retarded. People only go down the path Minato has when they've exhausted any other path they could think of....... In RL(or a well written story) simple concept like the one Naruto brought up would be torn apart by a competent experienced Adult. Anyone get what I'm trying to say.

I get what your TRYING to say (btw, its Nagato, not Minato). But the fact is this is a Shounen Manga, not RL. Every shounen manga I have every read and anime I have ever watched has some idealistic teenager influeincing everyone around him with hollow words and hypocritical ideals (for example, the standard "I'll defeat you in a fight to show you that my way of peace is better"). The only true peace is something like Ghandi. So I don't find it that out of the ordinary that Naruto has influenced Nagato here as long as it drives the plot to an interesting place. If this were real life, Naruto would have been sliced in half ages ago by Haku.

It does get a little tiring at times but its something I've learned to deal with as a reader of manga and even watching american TV shows. /shrug

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I get what your TRYING to say (btw, its Nagato, not Minato). But the fact is this is a Shounen Manga, not RL. Every shounen manga I have every read and anime I have ever watched has some idealistic teenager influeincing everyone around him with hollow words and hypocritical ideals (for example, the standard "I'll defeat you in a fight to show you that my way of peace is better"). The only true peace is something like Ghandi. So I don't find it that out of the ordinary that Naruto has influenced Nagato here as long as it drives the plot to an interesting place. If this were real life, Naruto would have been sliced in half ages ago by Haku.

It does get a little tiring at times but its something I've learned to deal with as a reader of manga and even watching american TV shows. /shrug

Couldn't have said any of this better myself, Infinite, nice going. *High fives him*

I don't see how Neji is going to understand Naruto's decision here, because I don't even understand it. Only a farrrr left, liberal, anti death penalty, democrat can understand Naruto's current idealogy. With Kakashi having been killed, I am sure that Gai won't be in an understanding mood.

Well, I'm sure that if Naruto explained everything to him, like, starting with Nagato's story and going into how Jiraiya and Minato both wanted to find true peace and end the cycle of hatred, then Neji might get it. If he listens tentatively enough, of course.