Naruto Chapter 449 Discussion

[Zero-sama]

Well the spoilers are already out and are confirmed.

[Xova]

First reaction was wtf. Should probably wait to see Kishi actually play it out to judge whether if I liked the development or not.

[btill9000]

That spoiler has to be fake. I am a little annoyed. If he wasn't going to kill anyone then why waste so many chapters killing them. Although, I am glad to see Kakashi coming back. Not only are all the dead people coming back, but now I have to see Sasuke again. I was rather enjoying the Sasuke Hiatus.

[Zero-sama]

Well that is true Kakashi is coming back for sure, yesss. Now for the Sasuke coming back thing, well is not that bad now we can see the elders get killed and probably Tsunade by him.

Oh by the way that means Akatsuki is a goner, now they have only left Kisame, Zetsu and Madara/Tobi. What about the Bijuu?

[eoddc5]

jesus....thats so weak

its like the whole pain arc is for nothing..."oh we just had a hugeeeee fight, exhausted all our resources....tired as hell...went through hell and trauma....and look, sasuke and his team are here...and have no clue what just happened...and now he wants to destroy the town, like it didnt JUST happen"

sigh

maybe naruto will defeat sasuke and his final jutsu is to .... .... ..... RESURRECT EVERYONE AND RESTORE KONOHA

[Vergil]

Well, that's quite strange making Nagato sort of a good guy after all.
First there's Pain's Konoha destruction now there'll be Sasuke's one.
I'm glad to see Sasuke and his reactions over ruined village.
Was Konoha restored from ruins or not?

[xPyrox]

I quite liked it, Naruto fought to change negato's mind, not kill him in the end..
and now he has, Negato has done the only good thing and trusted Naruto supporting the ideals that Naruto changes people..
All the people apart from that emo shitbag Sasuke.

[Savage]

For whoever wants to start the discussion thread from now on.. Add a proper poll or let someone else do it..

[Zero-sama]

I know Savage I was sleepy can you give me a hand there and help me fixed it?

[Vergil]

Why don't you like the fact that we see Sasuke again?
Yep, we saw Naruto shining but now after all this ressurection we need another bad villian.

[Ryuksgelus]

Worst villain ever if true.

[Yadomaru]

after all this ressurection we need another bad villian.
That would be Sasuke, who's decided he wants to be Madara's bitch and destroy Konoha - despite the fact that his brother gave EVERYTHING to prevent that outcome.
Little bastard.
(Or alternately, Madara, who's conned Sasuke into becoming his bitch and destroying Konoha despite Itachi's sacrifice)

I'm honestly not surprised much by this, but if they bring Jiraiya back I'm gonna be pissed. Beyond that, I'm perfectly okay with the others surviving - especially Kakashi.
Can't wait to read this, given the epic suckage the next Chapter of Bleach is bound to be. (At least Soifon's gonna be doing something cool soon)

[Infinitekaos]

The jury for me is still out on this chapter until I read the full thing. Sounds kinda weird but maybe the way it is, it is actually delivered well.

[pumpkin13]

HAHA SHIIIIIT, and the Bleacheans are whinging about Hitsuguya vs. Halibel and how Kubo never kills off a good guy? Alternatively, Kishimoto, have an epic battle kill off loads of people THEN bring them back to life.... haha, well MAYBE Jiraiya will be rezzed (I hope, him beign my fave character by far), Kakashi's back, and Shizune!!! I was pissed at her death cus i dont like hot chicks dying... hahaha. Hilarious.

[Paragon]

So all that made Pain so awesome has just been undone in one chapter lol and now we have Sasuke arriving onto the scene who would probably get to pwn a fatigued Naruto haha.

[xPyrox]

Only way that emo shitbag could beat the tank that is Naruto anyway..

[RannaBebop]

bah i didnt even mean to read the spoilers for this chap i got the spoiler from a deviantart update and i became the happiest person ever when i realized it was a spoiler saying Kakashi was alive ... i dont care if the whole Pein destroying the village was a waste lol YAY for Kashi *dances*

[Rollingstar]

I'm just glad Kakashi, pa frog and Shizune were brought back. I'm kinda sad about jiraiya, but he would have been brought back to life, it would've been lame fairy tale writing on kishi's behalf.

[justin43]

So all that made Pain so awesome has just been undone in one chapter lol and now we have Sasuke arriving onto the scene who would probably get to pwn a fatigued Naruto haha.

I don't think Naruto is that fatigued now. He looked completely new after the Kyubbi incident and Naruto didn't look exhausted in front of Nagato.

[arishkegal]

If the spoilers are true, then I predicted it in the chapter 448 thread. I thought that Nagato was going to reverse the damage he did, however this means that the only good guy that was killed was Jiraiya according to the spoilers, he was one of my faves. We always accuse Kubo of not killing the good guys, Kishimoto is doing the same thing, he killed them then revived them:unsure: Let's see who is dead once the chapter comes out. The downer is that Sasuke is coming with his crew, Naruto is fully recovered from before, so it should be epic.:popcorn:

[Infinitekaos]

It looks like Sasuke is on his way, not there. It takes a while to travel accross tree tops on foot to Konoha. My bet is he'll get there in a few days to weeks.

[Vergil]

Were Konoha's buildings restored or not?

[Lnrd]

No, you can still see the debris in the Kakashi revival pic.

@arishkegal- Atleast he killed 1.

[Rollingstar]

Jiraiya and Asuma are going to stay dead.

[arishkegal]

Pain didn't kill Asuma, so he couldn't reverse that, I think he can only reverse the damage he did personally.

@Lnrd: Yep, Jiraiya stays dead, but he was one of my favorites, the Pervy Sage:sad:

[Lnrd]

^Same here

[vastroLordeIchigo]

sasuke doesn't stand a chance. cloud ninjas might find him before he gets there

[B_K_E]

Maybe if we're lucky in the end it'll be Naruto and Nagato vs Sasuke and Madara lol. Imagine that fight in an anime or a video game lol. Since Nagato is leaving things to Naruto now, so he might help him bring "Peace" by defeating the people who are bringing "Chaos."

I'm just thinking out loud, no need to bash this with facts.

[ShadowKaze]

I think Nagato will die with this jutsu.

[vastroLordeIchigo]

he prob will and it might end up being naruto vs madara and sasuke againest cloud ninjas and killerbee

[eoddc5]

im thnking he is just reversing the recent events that took place at konoha and bringing back the dead

jiraya's death was before this whole escapade, and so i dont think will play out...esp because it was necessary for the story to progress

[ShadowKaze]

he prob will and it might end up being naruto vs madara and sasuke againest cloud ninjas and killerbee

I fail to see your logic.

Naruto doesn't even know the existence of Madara yet, let alone the history of the Uchiha. He is more focused on rebuilding Konoha and Sasuke right now.

Sasuke's major conflict is with Konoha, Naruto, and maybe Madara once he knows that he is being used. His beef for the Hidden Cloud village is based on that he captured Killer Bee, which he didn't and doesn't care. Madara is really after Killer Bee and now that Pain/Nagato might go out of the picture, I really don't know how this will change Madara's overall plans.

Even if there are major revelations that will change the course of the series, It probably won't come close to your conclusion.

[Tank]

jiraya's death was before this whole escapade, and so i dont think will play out...esp because it was necessary for the story to progress

Not to mention his body is on the bottom of the ocean. . .

[KingtheKing]

Kakashi is alive and Nagato dies O_O. That's one crazy twist. i expected Nagato to die but revive everyone? This feels like another one of those happy ending things. now I expect a danzou battle or something to do with him.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Nagato brings back the Konoha shinobi he killed during this arc, so Kakashi and Shizune are being revived. Jiraiya will stay dead, and I'm sure that Konoha also won't be brought back from ruin--meaning that it'll say as ruins. And in doing all this, Nagato gives his life, so he won't be physically helping Naruto do anything.

And Konan gives Naruto an origami flower, and in the spoiler text it says she gives him some of her paper powers. I think that's a bit freaky. What do you guys think?

[ShadowKaze]

I don't like the idea of the people coming back to life. Kakashi's death was pointless yes and who really cares about Shizune. I just don't like when these type of things happen.

[pumpkin13]

I FUCKING CARE ABOUT SHIZUNE. Her, Kurenai and Anko are the three hottest bitches in that joint, can't have one of my holy trinity getting killed off like that.

[ShadowKaze]

She's meh for me.

[Lnrd]

^Blasphemy

[eoddc5]

I FUCKING CARE ABOUT SHIZUNE. Her, Kurenai and Anko are the three hottest bitches in that joint, can't have one of my holy trinity getting killed off like that.

what about hinata?

we all know her new plotkai tatas are important too

[Vergil]

I bet Naruto has a long way to go with mass chapters ahead after the revival.

[Zero-sama]

I don't know but for some reason Nagato revival of everyone reminded me of Shen Long, of DB.

Nagato: What is your wish?

Naruto: Bring everyone that where killed when you invaded Konoha back to life!!!

Nagato: OK it is Done, Farewell!!!

LOL

BTW does that mean Pa frog is alive?

[xPyrox]

I don't know but for some reason Nagato revival of everyone reminded me of Shen Long, of DB.

Nagato: What is your wish?

Naruto: Bring everyone that where killed when you invaded Konoha back to life!!!

Nagato: OK it is Done, Farewell!!!

LOL

BTW does that mean Pa frog is alive?

Yeah. Everyone apart from Jiraiya is back.

[OMGLOLBBQ]

What the FUCK IS THIS SHIT.

So the leader of Akatsuki has been foreshadowed for god knows how many chapters, he wasted the entire Leaf Village by himself, he even killed, like, three good guys? Four? That's the most impressive feat of the lot.

AND NOW THEY'RE BACK? What is this, Bleach?

Rage aside, I am pleased that Konan didn't die. But this means that all the other Akatsuki died for nothing, which is pretty pathetic. Urgh. And now we have Sasuke back as well. Greeeeeat.

[Lnrd]

:lol: QFT

[Infinitekaos]

I'm still not sure how I feel about all this revival stuff. Part of me needed Kakashi to come back so that Naruto would have someone to still train and look after him. Yamato is technically still alive but he isn't Kakashi. Shizune...I think her staying dead would have meant more to Sakura and Ino as far as development. Pa and Ma might also be important to continue to train Naruto as well. And the rest were fodder nin so it doesn't bother me.

There is also the fact that Ino's father, Shikamaru's father, etc all trusted Naruto to talk to Pain alone. Naruto convincing Nagato to revive everyone instead of just killing him goes a long way toward Naruto gaining even more trust from the villagers, especially after the whole 6-tails incident.

So I think this is more a plot device to help Naruto more than it is anything else.

[arishkegal]

There is also the fact that Ino's father, Shikamaru's father, etc all trusted Naruto to talk to Pain alone. Naruto convincing Nagato to revive everyone instead of just killing him goes a long way toward Naruto gaining even more trust from the villagers, especially after the whole 6-tails incident.

So I think this is more a plot device to help Naruto more than it is anything else.

I think this will bring Naruto into more of a leadership role, eventually, especially after seeing his father. Naruto is maturing more and more in the eyes of the villagers who saw him as nothing more than a brat kid running around with the 9 tails inside him.

On the other hand, Sasuke is being easily manipulated by Madara, he is letting his thirst for revenge get the better of him. This is what makes him a very annoying character.

[Vergil]

Every anime needs an annoying character like him.
I can't say that I support Sasuke but I definitely don't hate him though only his blind revenge lust is somewhat stupid for such a "cool" person.

[B_K_E]

I don't know but for some reason Nagato revival of everyone reminded me of Shen Long, of DB.

Nagato: What is your wish?

Naruto: Bring everyone that where killed when you invaded Konoha back to life!!!

Nagato: OK it is Done, Farewell!!!

LOL

BTW does that mean Pa frog is alive?

That's starting to make Nagato sound like a genie or something lol.

[Tank]

Sasuke shows back up, despite us getting nothing on what happened with the Rock Ninjas who raided his hide-out? Time for Naruto to start sucking hard again.

[vastroLordeIchigo]

I fail to see your logic.

Naruto doesn't even know the existence of Madara yet, let alone the history of the Uchiha. He is more focused on rebuilding Konoha and Sasuke right now.

Sasuke's major conflict is with Konoha, Naruto, and maybe Madara once he knows that he is being used. His beef for the Hidden Cloud village is based on that he captured Killer Bee, which he didn't and doesn't care. Madara is really after Killer Bee and now that Pain/Nagato might go out of the picture, I really don't know how this will change Madara's overall plans.

Even if there are major revelations that will change the course of the series, It probably won't come close to your conclusion.

first naruto knows there is someone in the shadows and madara might make his move on naruto. cloud ninjas might find and attack sasuke. thats cause they dont know how killerbee is yet and your right it might not come down to that but you never know.

[btill9000]

I still don't think Sasuke is strong enough to run up in Konoha like Pain did. If Sasuke walks into that village they are going to send him running all the way back to Madara.

[ShadowKaze]

first naruto knows there is someone in the shadows and madara might make his move on naruto. cloud ninjas might find and attack sasuke. thats cause they dont know how killerbee is yet and your right it might not come down to that but you never know.

Your view on things is so simple and so direct if that were to happen, it would utterly ruin the series. Kishi made many sides of the conflict so many different possibilities could happen not so the simple and dull approach could happen. Sasuke being approached by the cloud ninja but eventually secrets will be found out and I don't see them fighting for very long if they do.

Oh shit it's out. I just realized..... Why doesn't Konan reveal anything about Madara. This would greatly help Naruto.

[aajj1144]

^I don't think Konan knows that much about Madara or enough to provide sufficient info for Naruto. Plus, we'll see her again anyway, hopefully.

Also story wise it could take away the suspense of when Naruto eventually does come face to face with Madara or finds out for himself.

[ShadowKaze]

Why not? Konan has been there with Nagato from square one. She knows about Sasuke as well. How is this not sufficient. I mean she might not know every single little secret, but she can at least tell Naruto his next enemy.

[Starzen]

great chapter, pity that nobody died in the end. The only reason kishi killed of nagato was because he is a big fan of the sharingan, we cant have a doujutsu more powerful than the sharingan can we. now danzou can thank naruto for getting rid of nagato. pa is alive!

[Vasumati]

I was pretty happy with Kakashi getting to talk to his dad for a minute. Sad and sweet.

[razarok]

-infinity/10

Why the hell kill everyone when he then brings everyone back to life ... I finally thought there was a shonen manga where the author had the guts to kill off some good guys.

[Starzen]

because he had to bring back both pa and kakashi, kakashi saw tobi's sharingan and pa has the scroll that minato left for naruto. most importantly he needs to show the difference in power of nagato to team taka.

[eric0728]

I think that if this huge group revival type event doesn't happen again, it will actually support that the rinnengan is indeed the most powerful eye technique. It also kinda puts a limit on the power of the abilities the characters can have from now on.

[B_K_E]

The only reason I'm really reading Naruto now is to see how he'll go about with Hinata, and what Sakura will say to him after hearing that Hinata loves him.

$10 says Konan will start to like/fall in love with Naruto lol.

Any takers?

[Vergil]

This is a SHOUNEN manga and it is for kids not people of age higher than 18 when you want blood and drama like in real life. And the phrases about "I will quit reading Bleach or Naruto" are pathetic. If you read this kind of manga you still think that it will become something another in 1-2 chapters and the mangaka will become more blood lusted. Fuck that and be real.

The chapter is very short and I guess anime version will have mass flashbacks.
7/10
mainly because buildings weren't restored and I want to see Sasuke's "WTF" face when he sees the ruins

[B_K_E]

I want to see Sasuke's "WTF" face when he sees the ruins

Jesus christ I forgot all about that, make that three reasons for me to keep reading it now lol.

He'll probably just me thinking "Damn who got here before me?"

[Yokokorama]

I liked seeing that Kakashi is still alive. But the mass revival thing just bothered me.

[razarok]

This is a SHOUNEN manga and it is for kids not people of age higher than 18 when you want blood and drama like in real life. And the phrases about "I will quit reading Bleach or Naruto" are pathetic. If you read this kind of manga you still think that it will become something another in 1-2 chapters and the mangaka will become more blood lusted. Fuck that and be real.

The chapter is very short and I guess anime version will have mass flashbacks.
7/10
mainly because buildings weren't restored and I want to see Sasuke's "WTF" face when he sees the ruins

Ah ye're right, overly dramatic bs phrase after a bad uni exam yesterday and a bad sleep following that ... Just sucked to suddenly have all that progress that one's been baited on for several months janked out underneath.

Strong e-rage btw.

[1 up and 2 down]

I liked seeing that Kakashi is still alive. But the mass revival thing just bothered me.

What bothered me more is that Nagato wouldn't have died if he had full chakra and used that technique.

[-MaNi-]

Well.. that was an alright chapter.. wasnt too happy about the all-elixier technique of nagato's.. but i guess some of the characters are still pretty important.. on the bright side, at least he didnt rebuild konoha, so we still have something to remember him by.. it would be a big shock if one of the characters in bleach annihilated soul society or KKT

Sasuke wont get here for a while, killerbee is on his way as well.. the next few chapters will be more plot directed at rebuilding konoha, getting naruto recognized as a leader, character development, training and possibly something from the naruto x hinata confession

[Starzen]

nah, sasuke simply got trolled. Madara just wanted sasuke to see the difference in power that pain had to Itachi whom sasuke could not even scratch. Hence the notion that konoha is too powerful to be defeated. What happend to the other two boss toads?

[apoc197777]

THis chapter sucked ass, if you are going to bring people back to life then dont make them die in the first place. One piece is only anime to go now. And for the person who said this is for under age of 18 people anime and to get real. here's a comment for you "This is not a real anime, its a fantasy. You get real and go out more often."


"EDIT" Snap my post is #69 hehehe

[skyhonor]

well naruto does have the power to change people as said in previous chapters.

[radicaleddd]

Did anyone notice that kakashi's face was kinda, almost revealed, since he is supposed to look JUST like his father and they showed his fathers face. That was kinda cool. :unsure:

[justin43]

Unlike most of you, I am quite fine with the mass revival since so many ninjas were dead after the initial Pain attack. Did you really think that Konoha will be left in such a pitiful state not to be able to defend themselves anymore? Now, Naruto has proven to everyone in Konoha that the old way of killing your enemy for revenge is not the right path to peace. Inochi probably feels silly right now. What Sasuke is going to do when he gets to the partially rebuilt Konoha? Capture Naruto.:sarcasm:

[Infinitekaos]

Sasuke shows back up, despite us getting nothing on what happened with the Rock Ninjas who raided his hide-out? Time for Naruto to start sucking hard again.

Um, we did get what happened. They raided where he was hiding out and he was long gone. All they found was their dead scout. The other team of Cloud ninja was heading for Konoha, not to Sasuke.

As for the group revival technique, obviously Kakashi and Pa have very important roles yet to play. Or we'll just chalk it up to shounen manga not being super blood thirsty.

If you want a manga where heroes die regularly, read Gantz. No one is safe in that manga. I can't imagine how hard it is for an author to kill off a main character. A character they put so much thought and back story into. It probably would feel kinda like cheating themselves to kill off their favorites and characters they have so much vested interest in.

[TW501]

I thought that it was a very good chapter. Not a ton of action or development, but it was still a nice chapter. I'll admit, I'm a bit irked by the fact that Sasuke is back but hey, it had to happen some time.

[Starzen]

I am happy to see sasuke because we can now move to bigger things in the story like the kage summit, danzou and kabato. We all know that naruto has to leave and return to his training and finally work on minatos' scroll. Kishi doesn't want sasuke to meet with naruto now.

[pumpkin13]

Was cool seeing Kakashi's dad ^_^

Although the "Flowers of hope" were a bit lame.

That's really all i have to say on this chapter, not much im afraid...

[666]

Bringing everyone back to life was silly but I'm glad Shizune is alive!:)

5/10

[xPyrox]

Unlike most of you, I am quite fine with the mass revival since so many ninjas were dead after the initial Pain attack. Did you really think that Konoha will be left in such a pitiful state not to be able to defend themselves anymore? Now, Naruto has proven to everyone in Konoha that the old way of killing your enemy for revenge is not the right path to peace. Inochi probably feels silly right now. What Sasuke is going to do when he gets to the partially rebuilt Konoha? Capture Naruto.:sarcasm:

Sasuke can have as much genjutsu and Amaratsuru as he likes. Naruto would tank it all and curb stomp his faggoty emo face so hard it breaks clean off. =D

[afrotaito]

does that mean jaraiya was revived although it wasnt shown?

[Zero-sama]

This is a great chapter, aside from the Dragon Ball Z bringing back the dead thing, it was still a good the chapter.

Now that Kakashi is alive I wanna see his reaction when he finds out that Naruto has surpass him and his little pupil of his called Sasuke. The frogs are alive yeah now Naruto can continue the training in order to fuse with them. BTW everyone in the village knows that Naruto is the one that defeated Pain, something no one in the village was capable of, so that means that the hokage chair is waiting for Naruto. Seriously Gara is a Kasekage, why can't Nauto be a Hokage already? He is stronger than anyone in the village. Move on Granny the time for Naruto to be a Hokage has come at last. As for Sasuke coming back he doesn't know where he is walking or what is awaiting him, he will get pawn really hard by Naruto in ways I will not describe.

If Sasuke comes to the village and pawns Naruto I will stop reading Naruto officially forever.

Chapter 9 of 10

[Infinitekaos]

I'd like to see some suiton training or additional technique training with Kakashi, Yamato or the frogs. Kishi bothered bringing them back to life. They might as well serve a purpose with their new life to pump Naruto full of power and techniques.

[Zero-sama]

Naruto surpassed Kakashi, the only thing Kakashi can teach or tell Naruto are stuff about Minato. Maybe some jutsus from the 4th that he couldn't do but learned the principles of it when he was with the 4th and will tell or teach Naruto how to make them.

[B_K_E]

does that mean jaraiya was revived although it wasnt shown?

Not that we know of, Nagato said he only healed the people that he killed arriving in Konoha. So by what he said I doubt he gave Jaraiya life, and plus Jaraiya was in the deep water when he died, so good luck swimming buddy.

[Apple84]

hooorayyy for Kakashi to be back aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Nagato you did what was right and Naruto nailed it again to change people's feelings.

Suprisingly Nagato chosed to revived everyone and puts his last moment to believed and his faith in Jiraiya's words. I empathy for Nagato and here comes an ending arc for Nagato and a new begining for Sasuke's hawk arc. whowwzer

[RsR]

In my opinion this story lost it's purpose after this chapter.

[arishkegal]

This chapter gets a 10/10 for me, I like the way the talk between Kakashi and his dad was shown, I didn't know that his mom died when she was young too. What was the cause of her death, maybe she was sick?

One question about Konan's statement on how she will get Amegakure will help Naruto realize his dream, how will that come into play?

Now, Sasuke didn't even leave his hideout yet, which means it'll be another 3 chapters before he sees Konoha, plenty of things can happen in that time....

[Yadomaru]

Meh. Okay Chapter, except for the whole resurrection thing, though OTOH, It meants that KAKASHI'S BACK!!! As long as Jiraiya-sempai stays dead, I won't mind.

6/10.

[ShadowKaze]

I do not understand why people are so mad because of the revival idea. I am not a fan of it but it doesn't change the real events to come. The idea is offends a lot of people, I get it. But story wise, it hasn't made a catastrophe impact on it.

[Avix]

Masashi Kishimoto (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Masashi_Kishimoto) lost all credibility to me. I was actually thinking he was ballzy enough to kill off high favorites of his series in order to bring a since of real war, but I was sadly mistaken. I doubt my opinion will ever be anything higher than, "meh..." about this series now. Unless Uchiha Sasuke (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Sasuke) dies. Then, I might tip a little more interest into it again. Final rating: 4/10, because the artwork was nice.

My take on all of this...
Random Konoha Ninja:
"Wake up Naruto...it was all just a bad dream. Oh, did you get scared? Here's a sucker. Now go play with the rest of the children, and don't worry...those bad dreams never come true in Konoha....:plotting:"

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I do not understand why people are so mad because of the revival idea. I am not a fan of it but it doesn't change the real events to come. The idea is offends a lot of people, I get it. But story wise, it hasn't made a catastrophe impact on it.

I feel the same way, though it's true that I'm glad Kakashi isn't dead anymore. He's one of my favorite characters.

Naruto surpassed Kakashi, the only thing Kakashi can teach or tell Naruto are stuff about Minato. Maybe some jutsus from the 4th that he couldn't do but learned the principles of it when he was with the 4th and will tell or teach Naruto how to make them.

I'd like to see some suiton training or additional technique training with Kakashi, Yamato or the frogs. Kishi bothered bringing them back to life. They might as well serve a purpose with their new life to pump Naruto full of power and techniques.

Agreed completely here.

Naruto still needs to know about that scroll, the one that has the Key to the Kyuubi's Seal in it, and Pa and Ma Toad should try doing the Toad Fusion with him again since the Kyuubi was suppressed again, thanks to Minato.

[Vizard]

Naruto surpassed Kakashi, the only thing Kakashi can teach or tell Naruto are stuff about Minato. Maybe some jutsus from the 4th that he couldn't do but learned the principles of it when he was with the 4th and will tell or teach Naruto how to make them.

All we see from Naruto is Rassengen, and rassengen Suriken.

Naruto hasn't done a damn thing to try to figure out how to use his wind element, or any other one that he's attuned to.

Nor has he learned to control and use the Jiyuubi.

Naruto is concently taken over by the Jiyuubi, but never does he actually control the Chakra flow from it.

For all the power that Naruto is said to have, he's still the lowest level Shinobi. I don't recall him ever taking the Chunin exam. And he's still very immature with his abilities.

[Zero-sama]

All we see from Naruto is Rassengen, and rassengen Suriken.

Naruto hasn't done a damn thing to try to figure out how to use his wind element, or any other one that he's attuned to.

Nor has he learned to control and use the Jiyuubi.

Naruto is concently taken over by the Jiyuubi, but never does he actually control the Chakra flow from it.

For all the power that Naruto is said to have, he's still the lowest level Shinobi. I don't recall him ever taking the Chunin exam. And he's still very immature with his abilities.

We are all here talking about the Naruto from chapter 449 not the one from shippuuden episode 89.

[samir12]

All we see from Naruto is Rassengen, and rassengen Suriken.

Naruto hasn't done a damn thing to try to figure out how to use his wind element, or any other one that he's attuned to.

Nor has he learned to control and use the Jiyuubi.

Naruto is concently taken over by the Jiyuubi, but never does he actually control the Chakra flow from it.

For all the power that Naruto is said to have, he's still the lowest level Shinobi. I don't recall him ever taking the Chunin exam. And he's still very immature with his abilities.

Your kidding me? You should really read the chapters on Naruto's fight against Pain and think again on your post.

[logainofhades]

All we see from Naruto is Rassengen, and rassengen Suriken.

Naruto hasn't done a damn thing to try to figure out how to use his wind element, or any other one that he's attuned to.

Nor has he learned to control and use the Jiyuubi.

Naruto is concently taken over by the Jiyuubi, but never does he actually control the Chakra flow from it.

For all the power that Naruto is said to have, he's still the lowest level Shinobi. I don't recall him ever taking the Chunin exam. And he's still very immature with his abilities.

Immature in his abilities? If that is the case how come he was the only one that could beat Pain? :slow:

[punni]

This is a great chapter, aside from the Dragon Ball Z bringing back the dead thing, it was still a good the chapter.

Now that Kakashi is alive I wanna see his reaction when he finds out that Naruto has surpass him and his little pupil of his called Sasuke. The frogs are alive yeah now Naruto can continue the training in order to fuse with them. BTW everyone in the village knows that Naruto is the one that defeated Pain, something no one in the village was capable of, so that means that the hokage chair is waiting for Naruto. Seriously Gara is a Kasekage, why can't Nauto be a Hokage already? He is stronger than anyone in the village. Move on Granny the time for Naruto to be a Hokage has come at last. As for Sasuke coming back he doesn't know where he is walking or what is awaiting him, he will get pawn really hard by Naruto in ways I will not describe.

If Sasuke comes to the village and pawns Naruto I will stop reading Naruto officially forever.

Chapter 9 of 10

Naruto surpassed Kakashi, the only thing Kakashi can teach or tell Naruto are stuff about Minato. Maybe some jutsus from the 4th that he couldn't do but learned the principles of it when he was with the 4th and will tell or teach Naruto how to make them.

LOL.
Naruto is still immature and unexperienced, he is absolutely unfit for a position of responsibility. Dont compare him to Gaara, whose character has matured very much in the time skip.

Naruto may be faster, stronger and has more chakra than any ninja in Konoha (only the last one is a given), but he still doesnt even have a basic understanding of all the ninja arts, meaning certainly every single Jounin could teach Naruto something useful.

on the chapter:
finally the extremely boring Nagato's story mini-arc is over. :popcorn:

and what comes next? sasuke :weird: that will probably be even more annoying, if not as boring.

seriously, naruto is the only manga I read, that manages to make explorations about the characters and the world it is set in so extremely boring that I dont care about a single character. Not to mention the story ...
well, I read it for the art and special moves, it is shounen after all.

[djray]

http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/naruto/25/449/8

is that minato in top left can someone explain that

[Zero-sama]

LOL.
Naruto is still immature and unexperienced, he is absolutely unfit for a position of responsibility. Dont compare him to Gaara, whose character has matured very much in the time skip.

Naruto may be faster, stronger and has more chakra than any ninja in Konoha (only the last one is a given), but he still doesnt even have a basic understanding of all the ninja arts, meaning certainly every single Jounin could teach Naruto something useful.


LOL

He has mature a lot. You said inexperience, well who was the one that defeated 5 Pains and at the end the Yahiko Pain?

Gaara is more mature I respect that and it's true, but Naruto is different than anyone in the series, that is why he always comes out on top because he has a unique way in how to deal with friends and enemies. Take for example how he dealt with Nagato and did changed his mind.

In responsibility well the 5th hokage permitted Konoha to be in ruins right now, and couldn't do much against Pain.

He has his own way in how to understand the ninja arts he uses and the ones he will use in the future. That's why he is right now Konoha's #1 Shinobi.

[Lnrd]

@djray- Isn't that Sakumo.

[KingtheKing]

Naruto is mature since he can use the sage chakra at a preety high level now and he can summon 3 frogs now. He doesn't have a lot of jutsus but he's improving his old ones at least. He refuses to use the fox's powers so unless he will be taken over he won't expand his jinchuriki powers either.

BTW It is cool that we will see more Kakashi but now that he isn't all that important in the plot, he isn't necesary there. The twist wasn't a complete fail but it's getting there. At least the arc is over so we can see what happens with Sasuke.

[eoddc5]

http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/naruto/25/449/8

is that minato in top left can someone explain that


the page you posted, the top left is kakashi....but if you are talking about the guy he is talking to while dead? that is kakashi's father

LOL

He has mature a lot. You said inexperience, well who was the one that defeated 5 Pains and at the end the Yahiko Pain?

Gaara is more mature I respect that and it's true, but Naruto is different than anyone in the series, that is why he always comes out on top because he has a unique way in how to deal with friends and enemies. Take for example how he dealt with Nagato and did changed his mind.

In responsibility well the 5th hokage permitted Konoha to be in ruins right now, and couldn't do much against Pain.

He has his own way in how to understand the ninja arts he uses and the ones he will use in the future. That's why he is right now Konoha's #1 Shinobi.

i agree he is quite possibly the strongest in konoha, but that doesnt mean he should be hokage...he does not have the emotional maturity, political understanding, or anything resembling a leader

plus - like said - he is still a genin... :p

i dont think anyone disagrees he will become the leader of konoha, but today is not his day, no where near it

[xPyrox]

Tsunade, as the fifth hokage, in fairness did very little to beat pain, truth is, she knows he couldn't beat him on her own, but at the same time since she's a healer, she was healing everyone in Konoha rather than fighting, which imo is the best thing she could have done.

At the same time, this is why she is a better hokage than the current naruto is, she assessed the situation and called Naruto back since he is the strongest one they currently have apart from maybe Kakashi, who although he might have surpassed, I doubt he could beat.

Kakashi is actually VERY important to the story.
Since he has a sharigan. Perfect training for Naruto to fight against Sasuke's sharigan imo.

It's no doubt that one day, Naruto will be strong enough, mature enough and know as much as Kakashi about the ninja arts that he will have surpassed him totally, and after a few more major fights he might learn some better ideals about being hokage.

But in truth, I don't think he will be hokage until the tail end of part 3. If there is one..

[samir12]

But Kakashi himself admitted Naruto surpassed himself, to add to that Tsunade said that Naruto surpassed Pervy sage and Yondaime hokage. And if he is really that immature how did he manage to handle the situation with Nagato without going all crazy at him. Infact he showed Nagato the right path which imo no immature person would be able to do.

[xPyrox]

But Kakashi himself admitted Naruto surpassed himself, to add to that Tsunade said that Naruto surpassed Pervy sage and Yondaime hokage. And if he is really that immature how did he manage to handle the situation with Nagato without going all crazy at him. Infact he showed Nagato the right path which imo no immature person would be able to do.

Kakashi can say that naruto has passed him all he likes, but the only techs we ever see Naruto use is the basics, shadow clones, rasengan and his wind shuriken thing.

Paired with his sage mode it makes him very very strong. But at the same time, thats one element, and quite a lack of tech's.

The reason he can be the strongest, mature and still not be right for hokage is this, he isn't jounin level in what he has done, he is at best chuunin level, he has never led a squad, think about it. What good is he if he is hokage and yet has never had to look after anyone under him. In a way konohamaru has acted as his pupil, but not as in team 7 or minato's group he trained.
Naruto as it is, would be a very good Jounin. But until he has passed that, imo. He won't have surpassed Kakashi, the fourth, or be ready to be hokage. Regardless of his strength.

[btill9000]

I think Naruto has surpassed Kakashi in destructive ability and combat strength. If they need a wall knocked down and a monster slayed then yeh send Naruto. However, Theirs a lot of other stuff that Naruto needs in order to be a Hokage.

[djray]

oo i meant top right but in any case i didnt realize kakashis father had long hair

[Felixus]

At this point I don't think Naruto is ready to be hokage. Like xPyrox said, he doesn't have much group leader experience, and not a whole lot of techniques (thought we still have yet to see what Itachi gave him from Ch.403). I think he's definatley mature enough. His conversation with Inoichi before het met up with Pain is what I think proves it.

As for Jariya comming back to life from the Pains last techinque is.. I think its a no, remember Pain said " Theres still time to save those I killed when I came to Konoha." So I assume that Pain can only ressurect those recently killed. If he can revive anyone at any point in time, then wouldn't he have brought Yahiko and his Parents back to life?

[eoddc5]

At this point I don't think Naruto is ready to be hokage. Like xPyrox said, he doesn't have much group leader experience, and not a whole lot of techniques (thought we still have yet to see what Itachi gave him from Ch.403). I think he's definatley mature enough. His conversation with Inoichi before het met up with Pain is what I think proves it.

As for Jariya comming back to life from the Pains last techinque is.. I think its a no, remember Pain said " Theres still time to save those I killed when I came to Konoha." So I assume that Pain can only ressurect those recently killed. If he can revive anyone at any point in time, then wouldn't he have brought Yahiko and his Parents back to life?

good point on 2nd paragraph

about the technique, im thinking its going to "reveal" itself when he encounters 1) sasuke, or 2) when sasuke uses MS

[Infinitekaos]

I agree with the many people here saying that Naruto is probably the strongest combatant in Konoha at the moment but I there is always more he can learn from everyone in regards to techniques, leadership, tactics, etc.

No matter how strong anyone gets, there is always room to learn and improve. Kakashi is said to know 1000 techniques. He could help him improve his Fuuton techniques. Both Yamato and Kakashi could probably help him with Suiton training and techniques to help combat Sasuke. And finally, Kakashi could easily help train Naruto for defense against Sharingan and those types of Genjutsu.

He surpassed Jiraiya in terms of Senjutsu, but base Jiraiya was a monster with his Doton and Koton techniques in combination with frogs and without. And while Naruto did take out Pain, Jiraiya fought him with no previous knowledge or intel and still managed to defeat 3 bodies.

Also, Pa will probably have to help him with the key scroll Minato left behind.

There is still so much more Naruto can learn from the people who were ressurrected.

[Yadomaru]

Kakashi can say that naruto has passed him all he likes, but the only techs we ever see Naruto use is the basics, shadow clones, rasengan and his wind shuriken thing.
Let me just say one thing: I would not under any circumstances call the Rasen-Shuriken a "basic" technique.

With that said, I do agree with you that Naruto's range of ability is very narrow, and that as powerful as he's gotten in senjutsu, he still has room to improve, especially in other disciplines - such as genjutsu.

[m2licee]

It's going to be a while b4 Sasuke gets to Konoha... They probably going to show us Naruto falling inlove with Hinata or something... Or going back to his training...

[Infinitekaos]

It's going to be a while b4 Sasuke gets to Konoha... They probably going to show us Naruto falling inlove with Hinata or something... Or going back to his training...

Konoha has to be rebuilt so Sasuke can destroy it, right? haha. Why hasn't Madara mentioned to Sasuke that he failed his mission to capture the 8-tails? I think a time will come soon when Madara will intercept Sasuke before he gets to Konoha to finish his mission of capturing the 8-tails.

[xPyrox]

Let me just say one thing: I would not under any circumstances call the Rasen-Shuriken a "basic" technique.

With that said, I do agree with you that Naruto's range of ability is very narrow, and that as powerful as he's gotten in senjutsu, he still has room to improve, especially in other disciplines - such as genjutsu.

It's a list. I wasn't saying it was a basic technique. I was saying he can only perform basic techniques and those other techs.

[Houzukimaru]

Naruto's development makes no sense

He masters the Sage mode which was supposed to be the harshest most difficult training hes ever endured in like 3 days, creates the Rasen Shuriken which no one else was ever abke to do, yet he cant even use a basic Fuuton jutsu

[BigBoogerBot]

Naruto sucks with jutsu that involve hand signs. He also doesn't have fire type chakra.

[Houzukimaru]

Naruto sucks with jutsu that involve hand signs. He also doesn't have fire type chakra.

Fuuton = Wind

Katon = Fire

Just thought id point that out in case that statement was addressing my post

[gmind]

Hey for those who say that Naruto is stronger than Minato, do you really think Naruto is strong enough to beat a Jinchuriki? Come on, even now I don't think he could without the nine-tailed. So how strong was really Minato (or even the 1st Hokage) to defeat it?

Also, I think that Naruto will always be a genin... and yet become Hokage.
Remember that 10th question before the whole Chunin exams? That might happen I'm sure.

I completely agree that Naruto has still a lot to learn, but where is it said that you have to be Jounin to be eligible for becoming Hokage? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a lot more time before he actually becomes Hokage, but I really think he will still be a genin... The Genin that became Hokage!

Also for those who said that Tsunade didn't do much to protect the village: She saved/protected/healed as much as she could, even giving nearly all her chakra for that purpose! What else could she do? She delegated the fight to the ninjas, but made sure to protect all the inhabitants by healing them as much as possible.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I agree with the many people here saying that Naruto is probably the strongest combatant in Konoha at the moment but I there is always more he can learn from everyone in regards to techniques, leadership, tactics, etc.

All true, except I think everyone here is forgetting how Fukusaku pointed out during Naruto's training that Naruto has already pretty much mastered every single Toad technique there is. And that was before they'd started on the Toad Fusion. Naruto's already mastered all of the Toad techniques and Toad Taijutsu. Just because he hasn't used all of the Toad techniques yet doesn't mean he can't use them at all. The ones he didn't use are just not within his style of fighting, or that there was no need to use them against Pain. One example of the former would be the Hair Needle Barrage, and two examples of the latter would be the Sage Barrier and that one technique where the user transports himself and the opponent to Gamabunta's stomach (probably doesn't have to be Gamabunta, but any Ninja Toad who is big enough).

No matter how strong anyone gets, there is always room to learn and improve. Kakashi is said to know 1000 techniques. He could help him improve his Fuuton techniques. Both Yamato and Kakashi could probably help him with Suiton training and techniques to help combat Sasuke. And finally, Kakashi could easily help train Naruto for defense against Sharingan and those types of Genjutsu.

Agreed completely here, and like I said before, Fukusaku also needs to tell him about that Scroll (you said it later on in the post I quoted for this post, right?), and now that the Kyuubi has been suppressed again, I'm sure it won't be able to reject Pa and Ma Toad if they attempt the Toad Fusion with Naruto now.

He surpassed Jiraiya in terms of Senjutsu, but base Jiraiya was a monster with his Doton and Koton techniques in combination with frogs and without. And while Naruto did take out Pain, Jiraiya fought him with no previous knowledge or intel and still managed to defeat 3 bodies.

Also, Pa will probably have to help him with the key scroll Minato left behind.

There is still so much more Naruto can learn from the people who were ressurrected.

Completely agree. Naruto has surpassed Minato and Jiraiya only in Senjutsu, or Sage Arts, and also as far as the Rasengan goes (he was able to add Nature Manipulation to it). Same goes for Naruto having surpassed Kakashi: he only surpassed him in power and as the Rasengan goes. In everything else, they're still much more powerful and experienced than him.

@Everyone else: That that doesn't mean that Naruto is immature. As others have pointed out, what he said to Inoichi, and also how he handled the situation with Nagato when he was face to face with him, proves how much he's matured. An immature person wouldn't have acted the way Naruto acted in front of Nagato, and also definitely wouldn't have changed Nagato the way Naruto did.

[xPyrox]

Hey for those who say that Naruto is stronger than Minato, do you really think Naruto is strong enough to beat a Jinchuriki? Come on, even now I don't think he could without the nine-tailed. So how strong was really Minato (or even the 1st Hokage) to defeat it?



Bjuu. And Naruto would probably figure out a way but get seriously stepped on to do it. And Minato didn't actually beat the nine tails, they drew.


Also, I think that Naruto will always be a genin... and yet become Hokage.
Remember that 10th question before the whole Chunin exams? That might happen I'm sure.

I completely agree that Naruto has still a lot to learn, but where is it said that you have to be Jounin to be eligible for becoming Hokage? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a lot more time before he actually becomes Hokage, but I really think he will still be a genin... The Genin that became Hokage!



Cute. No. It's not ben said you have to be a jounin but without being a jounin you don't know how to lead a squad and make sacrifices, something a hokage would need, he needs that boost to gain the experience to be put as hokage, if he was put from genin to hokage it would be like giving a baby a gun. And telling them to protect themselves.



Also for those who said that Tsunade didn't do much to protect the village: She saved/protected/healed as much as she could, even giving nearly all her chakra for that purpose! What else could she do? She delegated the fight to the ninjas, but made sure to protect all the inhabitants by healing them as much as possible.

True.