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Savage
06-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Early spoilers are out.. So anyone who knows japanese can take a shot at translating them..
NAM1011
06-09-2009, 03:03 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/08/
This is a picture with Madara and an X behind him.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/14/
Here is the same X on Danzo's chin.
Idk just more fuel to the fire that Madara is Danzo.
bassthumpa
06-09-2009, 04:48 PM
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/08/
This is a picture with Madara and an X behind him.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/14/
Here is the same X on Danzo's chin.
Idk just more fuel to the fire that Madara is Danzo.
LOL... I know it wasn't sincere, but man that's still quite a stretch.
NAM1011
06-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Idk Im half serious haha.
KingtheKing
06-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Hope it gets translated soon ^-^
Infinitekaos
06-09-2009, 08:35 PM
So many people are predicting Madara is Danzou. I am not convinced its true no matter what eyes they are hiding.
1 up and 2 down
06-09-2009, 09:24 PM
So Madara is the leader of two hidden ninja villages?
NAM1011
06-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Its really not that inconceivable if true. Shadow clones, or kage bunshin would work. Plus Danzou is just became Hokage. What better way to stop the Senju reign than make yourself Hokage disguised as an elder?
Idk. Just makes sense at the moment.
Vergil
06-10-2009, 02:06 AM
The main idea of this chapter is that Danzou orders to kill Sasuke and Naruto's reaction's shown, that's all I could find.
Infinitekaos
06-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Once again, Danzou has given the order to Konoha to kill Sasuke. Unless Madara is continually trying to kill his own tool, I'm thinking that Madara and Danzou are not the same person.
xPyrox
06-10-2009, 08:15 AM
Sounds like it suits Sasuke fine, Konoha wants to kill him, he wants to kill Konoha.
Although I can half see this meaning rather than Naruto defending Konoha's new hokage, he'd rather side with Sasuke. =\
Razvan_Asakura
06-10-2009, 09:04 AM
So Madara is the leader of two hidden ninja villages?
This would turn out gayer than the Emperor from Star Wars, if it were to be true. So much bull, like ONE ninja attacks Konoha, the most dangerous village and after he destroys the whole thing, Naruto teleports himself there and beats him up, then sweet talks a skinny dude. FFFFfffff-
and now Danzou becomes hokage.
all I can say is: :finger:
Felixus
06-10-2009, 09:48 AM
We know Naruto is definatly not going to kill him, cause he promised Sakura he would bring him back. Danzou's order go against his "Ninja Way" so next few chapters will mostly be about Naruto's rebellion.
As for Madara being Danzou, yes its obvious that Sasuke is being used as a tool by Madara, but we are still not sure how he wants to use him. I'm guessing that he is trying to make Sasuke do as much damage as possible before Madara himself steps in to finish whatever he's planning.
justin43
06-10-2009, 09:53 AM
Now that Danzou has made an order that goes against Naruto's promise I just we will see Naruto's rebellion in the next chapter. It appears that major events are about to unfold in the Narutoverse in this Danzou arc.
Vergil
06-10-2009, 10:24 AM
I doubt Madara being Danzou.
If he truly is him , I would hate him. Though then Madara-Danzou was the one who "killed" Yahiko.
I just saw the spoiler on youtube and I'm glad to see that a few of the land of waves characters are back.
NAM1011
06-10-2009, 11:55 AM
Yeah Danzou was there when Yahiko died huh. It kinda would make more sense now cuz he would have had a hand in creating Pain, and thus Akatsuki. Idk tho. Guess just have to wait and see, but it will still be sick to see his true face and his real powers.
arishkegal
06-10-2009, 01:29 PM
I half expected Danzou to order the shinobi to kill Sasuke, he was behind the massacre of the Uchiha clan. I guess he doesn't like any of the clan:unsure:. But, I think that Naruto will consider rebelling, and some of his other comrades in the Konoha 11 may disagree, we may see some soul searching from them before their final decisions though.....
xPyrox
06-10-2009, 02:08 PM
ON a side note, what the hell is Tazuna doing there? O_O
Danzou wanting to kill Sasuke.
I really don't know the reason for this. But Naruto is going to have a hard time convincing him to not destroy the village or whatever is left of it.
klem14174
06-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Right now if Naruto wanted to do something no one in the village could do anything to stop him. He is as of right now the strongest person in all of the Leaf Village. Naruto has a bond with Sasuke and Danzo wants to kill Sasuke, Ya thats not going to fly. The Anbu Black Ops better be protecting Danzo because I can see Naruto going in there and giving Donzo a piece of his mind and maybe his fist also.
Keiretsu
06-10-2009, 06:36 PM
This becomes a question of loyalty of ones friend or loyalty to ones home. You have to realize Naruto spent a very, very long time trying to get accepted by people. If he forfeits that to take Sasuke's side, he loses everything he worked to gain. Which, of course, came to a head only recently with his defeat of Pein.
Danzo wanting to kill Sasuke is only logical, now that he is the hokage being able to eliminate the Uchiha would be on the top of his list. Since his elder brother, Itachi refused to. I suppose to Danzo, Sasuke is that perpetual thorn in his side. For Sasuke though? Danzo is one of the conspirators that caused his brothers death.
No amount of pleading by Naruto is going to calm that down.
Felixus
06-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Yeah, and Naruto still can tell everyone what Pain told him about Danzou assisting Hanzo in exchange for help to become the Hokage. That ought to stir up quite a controversy, assuming that everyone believes it. We still aren't sure what Danzou is capable of. We all thought the Fire Lord was being stupid when appointing him, that he was just a retarded dumbass, but maybe the Fire Lord knows something about him that hasn't been revealed. If thats true than Danzou must have something pretty good up his sleeve to outweigh the handicaps of his 1 arm, 1 eye and old age.
KingtheKing
06-10-2009, 06:57 PM
I expected Danzou to do something like this. I doubt Naruto will acknowledge Danzou as hokage.I see a Naruto vs Danzou fight coming soon.
Keiretsu
06-10-2009, 07:42 PM
I'd wager we'd see Danzou vs Sasuke first. He has a lot of anger to vent out on him.
I don't think Danzou has that many things up his sleeve, realize that Kakashi was nominated and had majority vote until Danzou opened his mouth. We also know that Pein absolutely tore Kakashi in half. So unless they know something about -both- of them that we are still in the dark about, I'd wager that Danzou should be roughly in the same ballpark as Kakashi. Maybe a bit stronger due to age...
Then again, this is merely conjecture.
My question is: When will Madara make his move? Before or after Sasuke turns on him?
Bankai - Ichigo
06-10-2009, 08:36 PM
Yeah, and Naruto still can tell everyone what Pain told him about Danzou assisting Hanzo in exchange for help to become the Hokage. That ought to stir up quite a controversy, assuming that everyone believes it. We still aren't sure what Danzou is capable of. We all thought the Fire Lord was being stupid when appointing him, that he was just a retarded dumbass, but maybe the Fire Lord knows something about him that hasn't been revealed. If thats true than Danzou must have something pretty good up his sleeve to outweigh the handicaps of his 1 arm, 1 eye and old age.
Addressing the bold-faced part before everything else: You're forgetting something here. Didn't Katsuyu tell Naruto that she told the village inhabitants everything he and Nagato had talked about? Which would, of course, mean that they all also already know that Danzou and Hanzou worked together once. Naruto doesn't need to tell them anything.
Agreed on everything else, but I still freaking hate Danzou.
Completely agree with the above two posts, and I also wonder when Madara will make his move, before or after Sasuke turns on him.
Chapter has just come out on onemanga - will read later when I'm not having to go through a vpn connection D:
Clyde's Reflection
06-12-2009, 03:42 AM
Naruto isn't the only one who wants to see Sasuke returned rather than killed, most of the younger generation of Konoha ninja's have had some kind of contact with him in the past. I reckon Danzo's new regime in Konoha will drive a divide between the older and younger ninja's, or at least I hope it does. I think it would be interesting both in terms of plot and in terms of running themes throughout the series. The plot because it would be interesting and kind of ironic to see Konoha nearly destroy itself through in fighting after surviving such a deadly foe as Pain. Thematically because the new generations outstripping and outdoing the older ones has been elaborated on many times in the past.
aajj1144
06-12-2009, 06:19 AM
They all have something to lose but imo it seems as if the older ninja have more at stake since they are Konohas main force. I also believe we could see a split of Konoha, not just between young and old but between different ideals, those wanting Sasuke dead and the others wanting him alive.
Kakashi, Yamamoto(sp?) Shizune, etc. Where would they stand on this if ordered to kill Sasuke? Would they do it since they are loyal or would they rebel as well and put their positions at risk? That's what I want to know, I think they'd fight for Naruto but then again they might have to follow orders..but I hope that doesn't happen
Chaiba-Sama
06-12-2009, 06:28 AM
nah i doubt that kakashi and crew (basically naruto's side) will follow orders from fucktard danzou of all people
Clyde's Reflection
06-12-2009, 06:36 AM
Kakashi would never follow an order that resulted in him fucking over a friend, he's got too much baggage left over from his father and the whole Obito ordeal for that.
But yeah, you know Naruto or Sakura wouldn't follow that order, I think Yamato would hesitate over what to do but ultimately follow Kakashi's lead and Sai... he would definitely have qualms over disobeying Danzo but in the end I reckon he'd feel indebted to Naruto and Team 7 for showing him what bonds are. So that's Team 7 and affiliates covered. Neither Gai nor Rock seem like the kinds of people who would follow orders just because they're orders either. I can imagine a revolt designed to put up Kakashi for Hokage, Kakashi and Gai being such high profile konoha shinobi, not to mention Naruto's new found fame bolstering that up a little. Anbu would likely remain loyal to Danzo, as the military (them representing the de facto 'military' of Konoha) generally tend to act in a conservative manner and would naturally support the established ruler before even considering the fact that Danzo is / was a top Anbu leader (is it allowed to still be Anu commander as well as Hokage or will he have to delegate that duty?).
I reckon Danzo is going to further inflame the situation by trying to put Naruto under de facto house arrest (using his Jinchuriki status as a reson for keeping him 'safe'). Naruto never listened when previous Hokage's tried this, so I doubt he will now, and of coure Danzo is going to be a lot stricter about it which will cause greater tensions.
What I'm waiting to see is how the Raikage will interact with Danzo when the time comes for it. I am looking forward to an incredibly short lived reign for Danzo, the poetic justice of him waiting so long to take power and then lose it would be too great an opportunity to pass up.
fourwalls
06-12-2009, 06:38 AM
nah i doubt that kakashi and crew (basically naruto's side) will follow orders from fucktard danzou of all people
I think a mutiny is at hand.
I was just happy with seeing yamato. *fangirl squeal*
jedisakora
06-12-2009, 09:50 AM
This chapter was predictable, but interesting. I'm really just taking it as an "opening" chapter you can say. This chapter is setting up for Naruto to go against Danzo and stand for his ideals more publicly. It also seems to be setting up for the big "revelations" that Naruto learned about Danzo.
This thing that stood out to me most was Danzo ordering Sasuke's execution. I firmly believe this is where the big Sai arc we were promised is going to come in. I think Sai will be the only to go after Sasuke and try to pull a Naruto on him. Course it doesn't work and this is where the "one of Naruto's close friends become permanently injured" spoiler comes in to play. Naruto will then be left with another dilemma. Sasuke hurt one of his close friends beyound repair. What is he going to do now. Is he still going to stay by his beliefs or see Sasuke as other see him. This will also cause a dilemma for Sakura because Sai is her good friend too. That will be the thing that can either make Naruto a great keeper of peace or will he fall like Pain did.
Felixus
06-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Nothing much happens really, but it sets the plot up for something BIG is gonna unfold. I'm actually quite excited.
I'm thinking that the regular ninja of the village will take the side of Naruto, everyone looks up to him now after his victory over pain. However, since anbu is more stricly militarized, they won't be swayed by affection cause of their emotionless training or whatever its called, stay strict and just do what Danzo orders. So there will be a revolution between ANBU and leaf village ninja. Its also inevitable that Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight if Naruto wants to bring Sasuke back. I think it would be cool if Naruto and Sasuke fought for a little bit, then Madara/danzou (if they are the same person) or Madara and Danzou ( if they are brothers ) will try to step in and kill them. And as all villains do, explain their real motives. Then Naruto and Sasuke will team up against Madara (and Danzo depending on who is who.) for one epic showdown.
We still have to see what powers Itachi gave Naruto, I wounder if its Sharingan powers, and that if he will be able to use it at will when its activated, rather than just being temporary. It would be cool cause then Naruto has 4 different eye forms ( Tailed fox eyes, Sage eyes, his regular eyes and now Sharingan eyes).
What does everyone think about the letter that the messenger ninja picked up from that bird about the meeting between the 5 kages? I think Madara might have sent it, and when they all come he's going to try and crush them and take over all the countries from there. He also has 7 of the tailed beasts at his disposal, 8 if Kisame defeats Killerbee, so he's going to be pretty deadly.
Infinitekaos
06-12-2009, 10:14 AM
I definately don't think Naruto has Sharingan. Everyone needs to get the idea of Naruto getting a doujutsu out of their heads.
As far as the chapter. It wasn't too thrilling but left the door wide open for things to come. A lot of suspense at the end of the chapter about what Naruto will do about the kill Sasuke order. And like everyone else, I'm wondering just how long people will put up with Danzo being Hokage.
And how about Inari putting the moves on Sakura!
chinaman1472
06-12-2009, 11:09 AM
Good cliffhanger.
Rest of it was, meh. Good plot development, mediocre delivery.
Keiretsu
06-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Set up chapter. Looks like Danzou and Madara are going to be the planned primary villains now?
Felixus
06-12-2009, 12:11 PM
^Don't forget about Kabuto, though I doubt the situation with him won't be as nearly as intense as the situation with Madara and Danzou
Yeah, after thinking about it a Sharingan for Naruto would make all his enemies an overkill, kind of like SS4 Gogeta in DBGT. However, Uchiha's are known to control the Kyubi, Perhaps he gave him some more power over his ability to control it. Then the next battle between Sasuke and Naruto will somehow end in in The Valley of the End. The battle will go similar to the last one where Naruto uses the Kyubi's powers, which are much stronger this time cause of what Itachi did to him. And Sasuke is more powerful too, except he doesn't have the cursed seal anymore. I'll admit it seems like a bit much but would be cool though.
Anyother interesting issue is I wonder how Tsunade will respond to Donzou being hokage if she ever wakes up from her coma.
Keiretsu
06-12-2009, 12:27 PM
Kabuto is an interesting case, he's kind of fallen off the map with the recent revelations. Which either means he's going to show up after all the dust has cleared or prior to it and fall prey just like Orochimaru did.
Bankai - Ichigo
06-12-2009, 04:07 PM
Nothing much happens really, but it sets the plot up for something BIG is gonna unfold. I'm actually quite excited.
I'm thinking that the regular ninja of the village will take the side of Naruto, everyone looks up to him now after his victory over pain. However, since anbu is more stricly militarized, they won't be swayed by affection cause of their emotionless training or whatever its called, stay strict and just do what Danzo orders. So there will be a revolution between ANBU and leaf village ninja. Its also inevitable that Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight if Naruto wants to bring Sasuke back. I think it would be cool if Naruto and Sasuke fought for a little bit, then Madara/danzou (if they are the same person) or Madara and Danzou ( if they are brothers ) will try to step in and kill them. And as all villains do, explain their real motives. Then Naruto and Sasuke will team up against Madara (and Danzo depending on who is who.) for one epic showdown.
We still have to see what powers Itachi gave Naruto, I wounder if its Sharingan powers, and that if he will be able to use it at will when its activated, rather than just being temporary. It would be cool cause then Naruto has 4 different eye forms ( Tailed fox eyes, Sage eyes, his regular eyes and now Sharingan eyes).
What does everyone think about the letter that the messenger ninja picked up from that bird about the meeting between the 5 kages? I think Madara might have sent it, and when they all come he's going to try and crush them and take over all the countries from there. He also has 7 of the tailed beasts at his disposal, 8 if Kisame defeats Killerbee, so he's going to be pretty deadly.
Completely agreed with everything except for the final two paragraphs.
Firstly, I do agree that the power Itachi gave to Naruto might be for being better at controlling the Kyuubi, but if that's really the case, then how come Naruto completely lost it when he went Fox Mode against Pain?
About Naruto's eyes, he actually has five different ones now if you count his normal blue ones. He has the Kyuubi's eyes, Sage Mode eyes, Sage Mode + Kyuubi's eyes (he had these when he first came into that tree branch that Konan and Nagato were in), and the Kyuubi's eyes along with his normal blue ones. So, yeah, he has five now.
Now, about the letter they received. Remember how the Raikage called for a meeting between the Five Kages? He also wrote a letter about it, and that's what they got. Madara didn't write it.
But, yeah, you're right about Madara being dangerous. Not only is it because he's got the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and that Space-Time Ninjutsu he used against Naruto and the others that caused all attacks to literally go right through him, but it's also because he now has 7 of the 9 Bijuu under his possession, which will rise up to 8 when Kisame finds and beats Killer Bee.
But I'm thinking Madara and Danzou are really two different people, since if there's a Kage Meeting and only either the Hokage or the Mizukage is there (Madara is the Mist Village's Mizukage), it would look really weird and suspicious.
arishkegal
06-12-2009, 05:21 PM
Kakashi would never follow an order that resulted in him fucking over a friend, he's got too much baggage left over from his father and the whole Obito ordeal for that.
But yeah, you know Naruto or Sakura wouldn't follow that order, I think Yamato would hesitate over what to do but ultimately follow Kakashi's lead and Sai... he would definitely have qualms over disobeying Danzo but in the end I reckon he'd feel indebted to Naruto and Team 7 for showing him what bonds are. So that's Team 7 and affiliates covered. Neither Gai nor Rock seem like the kinds of people who would follow orders just because they're orders either. I can imagine a revolt designed to put up Kakashi for Hokage, Kakashi and Gai being such high profile konoha shinobi, not to mention Naruto's new found fame bolstering that up a little. Anbu would likely remain loyal to Danzo, as the military (them representing the de facto 'military' of Konoha) generally tend to act in a conservative manner and would naturally support the established ruler before even considering the fact that Danzo is / was a top Anbu leader (is it allowed to still be Anu commander as well as Hokage or will he have to delegate that duty?).
I reckon Danzo is going to further inflame the situation by trying to put Naruto under de facto house arrest (using his Jinchuriki status as a reson for keeping him 'safe'). Naruto never listened when previous Hokage's tried this, so I doubt he will now, and of coure Danzo is going to be a lot stricter about it which will cause greater tensions.
What I'm waiting to see is how the Raikage will interact with Danzo when the time comes for it. I am looking forward to an incredibly short lived reign for Danzo, the poetic justice of him waiting so long to take power and then lose it would be too great an opportunity to pass up.
I love the points you made, especially the house arrest of Naruto. I doubt that anybody could physically place him under house arrest, not with the support of his friends and Kakashi, who I know won't let that happen. I think that Naruto will either lead a revolt against Danzou or leave the village temporarily like he did before in order to train with the toads. I am leaning toward the former, this is a war of ideals, Danzou has the war mentality and Naruto has the peace mentality.
That being said, I give this chapter a 8/10.....
TW501
06-12-2009, 05:42 PM
It was a good chapter. I liked how they tied in Naruto's experience with Pain and Pain's philosophy with Sasuke (though admittedly I'm not thrilled to see him back). I'd rate it 8/10.
AzureFeatherfly
06-12-2009, 07:16 PM
We all know the different crimes committed by Danzou from our perspective. The fact that Kiba does not know anything about Danzou is proof that very few are aware of his acts. The thing is that there needs to be solid proof beyond the possibility of doubt that Danzou committed these acts.
Officially, Itachi is a missing-nin
Officially, Nagato is a criminal
Sandaime, Hanzo, and Jiraiya are all dead
There is nothing more than someone's word to be used as proof.
The Order of Execution on Sasuke:
Danzou has a very good reason to order for his death at this moment. He does not want to put tensions between the Konoha in Ruins and the Kumogakure with a angry Raikage. We also have to remember that Sasuke joined an organization that reduced Konoha to ground zero, took 7 Bijuus, and committed major offenses against four of the five Great Villages. The has become more than just a Konoha problem, and forgiveness is not gonna happen because of Naruto's words or another's words.
The problem right now four of the five Great Villages all want Akatsuki to die, which includes Sasuke. Fighting him to bring him back and protecting him from the retributions of others all at the same time is not as easy as many would think.
The process to bring him back will go horribly wrong in my opinion because there are so many sides involved in this issue.
However we also are aware of the fact that Naruto along with Nagato are the Chosen Children, which could be what turns something horrific into something to smile about.
Bankai - Ichigo
06-12-2009, 07:31 PM
We all know the different crimes committed by Danzou from our perspective. The fact that Kiba does not know anything about Danzou is proof that very few are aware of his acts. The thing is that there needs to be solid proof beyond the possibility of doubt that Danzou committed these acts.
Officially, Itachi is a missing-nin
Officially, Nagato is a criminal
Sandaime, Hanzo, and Jiraiya are all dead
There is nothing more than someone's word to be used as proof.
The Order of Execution on Sasuke:
Danzou has a very good reason to order for his death at this moment. He does not want to put tensions between the Konoha in Ruins and the Kumogakure with a angry Raikage. We also have to remember that Sasuke joined an organization that reduced Konoha to ground zero, took 7 Bijuus, and committed major offenses against four of the five Great Villages. The has become more than just a Konoha problem, and forgiveness is not gonna happen because of Naruto's words or another's words.
The problem right now four of the five Great Villages all want Akatsuki to die, which includes Sasuke. Fighting him to bring him back and protecting him from the retributions of others all at the same time is not as easy as many would think.
The process to bring him back will go horribly wrong in my opinion because there are so many sides involved in this issue.
However we also are aware of the fact that Naruto along with Nagato are the Chosen Children, which could be what turns something horrific into something to smile about.
QFT. Danzou is right to have ordered Sasuke's death, but Naruto isn't going to keep quiet about it, and neither is Sakura. But they have to realize that, as it is now, killing Sasuke is the right thing to do.
Felixus
06-12-2009, 10:33 PM
...Firstly, I do agree that the power Itachi gave to Naruto might be for being better at controlling the Kyuubi, but if that's really the case, then how come Naruto completely lost it when he went Fox Mode against Pain?...
...Now, about the letter they received. Remember how the Raikage called for a meeting between the Five Kages? He also wrote a letter about it, and that's what they got. Madara didn't write it....
I have a little theory for the part about Naruto not being able to control the Kyuubi during his fight with Pain. I'm guessing what Itachi did was put special Chakra inside of Naruto to control it. However it can only be activated when Naruto see's Sasuke's sharingan, just like how Amatarasu was actived when Sasuke saw Madara's sharingan. Or in other cases, not exactly the same but definatley comparable is the chakra Minato left inside Naruto to appear in his conscience. This was a result of activating the 8 of the 9 tails. And since chakra as we all know isn't infinit, Minato couldn't stay inside Naruto and talk for hours. So in this case, Naruto will only have control over his Kiyuubi powers until the special chakra Itachi gave him runs out. Itachi knows that Naruto would never kill Sasuke, but if Naruto lost control of himself, he would rip Sasuke in half and that would be the end of him. So reason why this power didn't occur during Pains fight is cause Itachi didn't want him to use up the chakra on someone else when it was only ment to protect Sasuke. So I guess that means this power is temporary.
Yeah, reread the part about the letters and you are right. I just thought it was weird that the Raikage's messengers wouldn't knock out two birds with one stone and deliver both the letter regarding their situation with Sasuke. Aswell as the letter about the Kage meeting.
Bankai - Ichigo
06-13-2009, 12:57 AM
I have a little theory for the part about Naruto not being able to control the Kyuubi during his fight with Pain. I'm guessing what Itachi did was put special Chakra inside of Naruto to control it. However it can only be activated when Naruto see's Sasuke's sharingan, just like how Amatarasu was actived when Sasuke saw Madara's sharingan. Or in other cases, not exactly the same but definatley comparable is the chakra Minato left inside Naruto to appear in his conscience. This was a result of activating the 8 of the 9 tails. And since chakra as we all know isn't infinit, Minato couldn't stay inside Naruto and talk for hours. So in this case, Naruto will only have control over his Kiyuubi powers until the special chakra Itachi gave him runs out. Itachi knows that Naruto would never kill Sasuke, but if Naruto lost control of himself, he would rip Sasuke in half and that would be the end of him. So reason why this power didn't occur during Pains fight is cause Itachi didn't want him to use up the chakra on someone else when it was only ment to protect Sasuke. So I guess that means this power is temporary.
Yeah, that makes sense. But that would mean Naruto still has to train himself to completely control the Kyuubi's chakra. He'll need that scroll, still.
B_K_E
06-13-2009, 04:16 AM
It was a good chapter. I liked how they tied in Naruto's experience with Pain and Pain's philosophy with Sasuke (though admittedly I'm not thrilled to see him back). I'd rate it 8/10.
I agree with everything you said about this latest chapter.
djray
06-14-2009, 10:32 AM
madara was the former mizukage...if these people are not bullshitting
^I have to go hunt down that volume then.
seraphim
06-14-2009, 03:55 PM
Completely agreed with everything except for the final two paragraphs.
Firstly, I do agree that the power Itachi gave to Naruto might be for being better at controlling the Kyuubi, but if that's really the case, then how come Naruto completely lost it when he went Fox Mode against Pain?
I actually think Itachi just gave Naruto a way to overcome the eyes techniques, mainly Amaterasu, because I can see the fight beeing over quite fast if Sasuke just outsmarts him and sets him on fire.
Bankai - Ichigo
06-14-2009, 05:57 PM
That makes sense. It would also probably be over quickly if Naruto gets caught under a Tsukuyomi illusion and can't get out of it even by stopping or disrupting his chakra flow (taking in more Natural Energy should help disrupt his chakra flow a bit before changing it into Sage Chakra).
btill9000
06-15-2009, 10:30 AM
If Sasuke arrives anytime soon I doubt that he'll even get to fight Naruto.
Bankai - Ichigo
06-15-2009, 04:47 PM
Yeah, he might not. But, I want them to fight because I want Sasuke to realize just how powerful Naruto's gotten while he was being away from the village (i.e. while Sasuke was away from the village).
Could be that it's because Danzou won't let them fight, huh?
chiechan
06-16-2009, 03:22 AM
confirmed spoiler is up at http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com (http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com/2009/06/naruto-452-raw-spoilers-and-predictions.html)
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