Naruto 452 Discussion

[Savage]

Discuss this week's spoilers here..

[Rollingstar]

Don't really know what to comment on since there have been no pictures posted yet.
But so far, seems alright I guess. I wonder who's side Sai will choose.

Team Cloud clearly dislikes Sasuke.

[xPyrox]

So wait...
they Manage to decimate Naruto, someone just took care of the kage of the hidden rain, the leader of akatsuki and unbeaten. With ease.

What the shit. Best be comic relief rather than seriousness.

[ShadowKaze]

^ I'm not quite getting what you are saying. Could you rephrase please. I might need to read the spoiler as well.

[NAM1011]

Two black ninjas would Naruto's and Sakura's ass supposedly. I will have to wait and see cuz I am skeptical myself.

[xPyrox]

^ I'm not quite getting what you are saying. Could you rephrase please. I might need to read the spoiler as well.

Whats the point of posting in here if you havne't read the spoilers.

Basically two people from the hidden cloud village apparently own Naruto and Sakura.

Naruto just owned someone who would have anihilated their village.
What.

[afrotaito]

Whats the point of posting in here if you havne't read the spoilers.

Basically two people from the hidden cloud village apparently own Naruto and Sakura.

Naruto just owned someone who would have anihilated their village.
What.

the spoiler really wasnt clear on dat point, but for real wtf with two misterious guys just owning naruto. wtf

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Not two mysterious guys. It's just two of those three Cloud Ninjas who came to Konoha to deliver the Raikage's message to the Hokage. Can't you guys at least pay a little more attention to the stuff you read? Geez.

[ismey]

wait you are sayin naruto got owned by some fodder/average cloud nins....the guy who defeated pain?.......suppose that fits with the title of the no 1 unpredictable ninja...lol

[BigBoogerBot]

Naruto probably wasn't in sage mode.

[Infinitekaos]

Naruto probably wasn't in Sage Mode and probably underestimated them. Also, they are Killer Bee's students. Killer Bee was pretty badass himself.

[ismey]

yeah i have to agree dont think he was in sage.....so i guess base naruto still has to improve a lot

[Lnrd]

I think people have forgotten that Naruto is still pretty weak in his base form albeit Fuuton: Rasengan and Fuuton: RasenShuriken. Imho he is still only B-rank while in his base form. Sage Mode is what makes upper/mid S-class level.

EDIT: Seeing how they are Killerbee's pupils it makes sense to me that they're atleast A-class in strength.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

All true.

Hm. Interesting. If, right now, Naruto is capable of being at least mid-S level in Sage Mode, then I can't wait to see how powerful he'll be in Sage Mode once he gets some more training.

[Keiretsu]

All true.

Hm. Interesting. If, right now, Naruto is capable of being at least mid-S level in Sage Mode, then I can't wait to see how powerful he'll be in Sage Mode once he gets some more training.

That is interesting, although on the topic of S class ninja, how many have we seen in full capacity?

[Rollingstar]

I want to see karui and omoi in action. I don't care if they whoop naruto's and sakura's ass.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I already knew you to be a die-hard Sakura hater, but is it that you also hate Naruto? If so, then why are in the Naruto FC? It's an FC for the character and the series.

Other than that, yeah, I do agree that I want to see those two in action.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

Naruto still has alot to learn in his base form but i would imagine he's still pretty weak after his fights...i'm not to worried if he's getting pushed around since it still mean he has room to improve

[Yadomaru]

Can't speak for Sakura, but IMO base-form Naruto isn't that strong, and having only just gotten out of a MAJOR fight he's probably pretty tired. I mean, wasn't Kakashi carrying him on his back before they got back in 450?
Plus, Killerbee, stupid as I think he is, is a BEAST. So it makes sense his students would be pretty damn strong.

I'll wait to read it before I decide if I like it or not - Sounds kinda interesting.
Also, is that Sai with a tattoo on his tongue? What's with that?

[Infinitekaos]

Can't speak for Sakura, but IMO base-form Naruto isn't that strong, and having only just gotten out of a MAJOR fight he's probably pretty tired. I mean, wasn't Kakashi carrying him on his back before they got back in 450?
Plus, Killerbee, stupid as I think he is, is a BEAST. So it makes sense his students would be pretty damn strong.

I'll wait to read it before I decide if I like it or not - Sounds kinda interesting.
Also, is that Sai with a tattoo on his tongue? What's with that?

That tatoo is some jutsu of Danzo's. It seems from the spoilers if Sai speaks badly of Danzo or reveals anything he should, it will kill him.

[ismey]

That tatoo is some jutsu of Danzo's. It seems from the spoilers if Sai speaks badly of Danzo or reveals anything he should, it will kill him.

yeh sounds similar to hyuga cursed seal.......wonder if danzo can also use it to inflict pain or death on a whim .....or is it only a specific moment type of seal...i.e root member blabs something secret and is only activated then?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I think it's the latter condition of those two. It'll only activate when the Root member says something confidential/classified or blurts something about Danzou that they shouldn't.

By the way, Naruto should've had enough rest by now since it's seemingly a day or so after the fight against Pain.

[ismey]

yeh a day is enough for naruto to heal by the fact that the kyubbi helps in healing/ restoring him

[Bankai - Ichigo]

True. And if he has any problems, he could just gather Natural Energy since it also has healing properties. But I'm pretty sure he'll only ever gather Natural Energy during battle.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

That tatoo is some jutsu of Danzo's. It seems from the spoilers if Sai speaks badly of Danzo or reveals anything he should, it will kill him.

according to the txt i posted in the spoiler section...it seems like it completely paralyzes them

[Infinitekaos]

according to the txt i posted in the spoiler section...it seems like it completely paralyzes them

Yea, I also read some translations of the spoilers that said it would kill him. Guess we'll have to wait for the complete chapter.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

What with that one pic in the spoiler thread, where Naruto seems to be running right into the range of attack of that sword? Does he want to be stabbed?

[Felixus]

The seal's description so far is kind of vague, I hope that there's more of an explanation to it than just described in the spoilers or just this chapter, cause I can see a plot hole.

Sai: I can't talk about it... so I'll write it down on a piece of paper, lololol stupid Danzou.

^Okay that was half serious, half joke, but what I'm trying to say is there's more ways of communication than just verbally speaking. I'm guessing its more than just a verbal detector seal that covers all types of communication, and if not he has other detectors on his body perhaps something like a muscle movement detector on his hand to scan what he's writing.

For characters like Naruto, this can serve as proof that Danzou is trying to hide something big by having to put cursed seals on his own followers. Of course Naruto is already aware of such things. But it might be good proof to show/tell the village about this for even more rebellion against Danzou. Just to add more fuel to the fire. Of course Sai would hide it cause he's ordered to prevent such things from happening, or maybe the amazing character of Naruto will change his heart... wow i'm arguing with myself.

Also, Danzou said in the last chapter that Tsunade is no longer Hokage. But Kakashi said that Naruto should wait for Tsunade to wake up before taking any big actions of rebellion so he doesn't go to jail as if she still has power. Not like anyone could keep him locked up. But anyways, does Tsunade really no longer have any power? I honestly think that was Danzou trying to BS the Cloud ninja into thinking that she no longer has control so he could manipulate them to his advantage. Any thoughts?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

The seal's description so far is kind of vague, I hope that there's more of an explanation to it than just described in the spoilers or just this chapter, cause I can see a plot hole.

Sai: I can't talk about it... so I'll write it down on a piece of paper, lololol stupid Danzou.

^Okay that was half serious, half joke, but what I'm trying to say is there's more ways of communication than just verbally speaking. I'm guessing its more than just a verbal detector seal that covers all types of communication, and if not he has other detectors on his body perhaps something like a muscle movement detector on his hand to scan what he's writing.

Agreed here completely. I can't imagine that Danzou would be the kind of guy to not insure double protection of his secrets, so I'm sure he's also made sure to have made it so that he'd know what they're writing in written messages as well, as you said. But something tells me Sai might still find a way around all that and be able to tell Naruto about Danzou. We humans can do pretty much anything when we're desperate.

For characters like Naruto, this can serve as proof that Danzou is trying to hide something big by having to put cursed seals on his own followers. Of course Naruto is already aware of such things. But it might be good proof to show/tell the village about this for even more rebellion against Danzou. Just to add more fuel to the fire. Of course Sai would hide it cause he's ordered to prevent such things from happening, or maybe the amazing character of Naruto will change his heart... wow i'm arguing with myself.

Also, Danzou said in the last chapter that Tsunade is no longer Hokage. But Kakashi said that Naruto should wait for Tsunade to wake up before taking any big actions of rebellion so he doesn't go to jail as if she still has power. Not like anyone could keep him locked up. But anyways, does Tsunade really no longer have any power? I honestly think that was Danzou trying to BS the Cloud ninja into thinking that she no longer has control so he could manipulate them to his advantage. Any thoughts?

Agreed here as well. I can't wait to see the villagers and maybe even the higher-ups go against Danzou and overthrow him. Or maybe Tsunade will take care of it when she wakes up and Naruto tells her about Nagato's story. That coupled with what she already knows about him, along with what Sai has just told Naruto and Co. will work against Danzou and hopefully have him overthrown. Then Tsunade could take back office as Hokage until Naruto is ready for the position, or she could step down and give Kakashi the position of 7th Hokage. Then Naruto will be the 8th Hokage.

But I especially agree on Naruto not being able to be kept locked up the way he is now. I mean, sure, they might be able to keep him locked up if he stays in base form, but if he goes Kyuubi or Sage Mode, or Sage Mode plus Kyuubi like he did when he started that conversation with Nagato, he'll be able to break out pretty easily.

[Lnrd]

I just read the chapter and I liked it. 8/10

It seems the spoilers statement about Naruto and Sakura being handled is only half true. Because in no way did I see Naruto being handled in the chapter. The Female Cloud Ninja knocked out a bunshin, big deal. Those get taken out left and right all the time. And, Sakura getting knocked around is nothing new.

EDIT: I take back the statement I said earlier about Naruto being a B-Rank ninja while in his base form. Because he is definitely A-rank.

[Starzen]

just read the chapter, glad to know that danzou is still not the hokage as he still needs the votes of the jounins. sakura needs a new teacher for combat training and team 7 needs to start working on their teamwork. naruto is pure kickass now.

[Lnrd]

just read the chapter, glad to know that danzou is still not the hokage as he still needs the votes of the jounins. sakura needs a new teacher for combat training and team 7 needs to start working on their teamwork. naruto is pure kickass now.

I know right.:gj:

And about Danzou- So the feudal lord's powers can only make Danzou the temporary Hokage. I expect a huge battle for the village to come soon because the Jounin are definitely not going to vote Danzou as Hokage.

I think Root is going to plan an assassination, which will take place at night, against the village. They try kill those that oppose Danzou.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, only his Shadow Clone was taken out by those Cloud Ninjas. He's really badass now. The timing for the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu was flawless, too. And I just loved that scene where stopped the sword blade between both his hands like that. But something just tells me that if they'd gone on, with those Cloud Ninjas going all out (they were trying to not to go for the kill), it would've been a close fight and Naruto might have lost, though only if he chose to not go into Sage Mode.

I'm just wondering about what Naruto's going to do if he finds out that the master their talking about what was actually a Jinchuuriki.

Edit:

I know right.:gj:

And about Danzou- So the feudal lord's powers can only make Danzou the temporary Hokage. I expect a huge battle for the village to come soon because the Jounin are definitely not going to vote Danzou as Hokage.

I think Root is going to plan an assassination, which will take place at night, against the village. They will kill those that oppose Danzou.

Yeah, it seems like the Feudal Lord's power can't make Danzou the actual Hokage.

Now if Danzou actually does have the members of Root kill all who oppose him, that might work to cause the people of the village to downgrade him even more. He'll lower his own chances of becoming Hokage.

And what he says about doing a better job than Tsunade at keeping tabs on Naruto for being Host. I don't like the sound of that. We'll see what happens later, I guess, though.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

I'm glad i read this chapter....the spoilers made it seem like Naruto got owned when in actuality...his clone got hit....He was actually doing very well in taking on 2 strong members by himself...i'm impressed...:-D

[xPyrox]

Yeah I'm surprised too by the fact Naruto in base mode, was moving even before Sakura and Sai had noticed the cloud ninja appear, not only that but to begin with it was just him against them until Sai and Sakura stepped in.

I think if that fight had gone on, with just Naruto against them, it would have been close.
Shit, Naruto in base is seriously something different now, maybe he has surpassed Kakashi..

[Lnrd]

Yeah I'm surprised too by the fact Naruto in base mode, was moving even before Sakura and Sai had noticed the cloud ninja appear, not only that but to begin with it was just him against them until Sai and Sakura stepped in.

I think if that fight had gone on, with just Naruto against them, it would have been close.
Shit, Naruto in base is seriously something different now, maybe he has surpassed Kakashi.

At full power, I'd definitely say yeah. But, I don't think Naruto has surpassed him just yet in their base forms. But after Naruto gets more training to become well rounded, I'd say yeah.

EDIT: First Naruto reacts to the Cloud Ninja as soon as they use Body Flicker to appear, next Naruto grabs Sai's blade, then knocks the female ninja back, then prevents the male ninja from using his sword with an elbow block, next uses the blade to stop the female ninja's sword's momentum by attacking the hilt, then using KB to stop the attack completely, finally being fast enough to catch Sakura who was already falling backward from the male ninja's attack.:omg: Damn, Naruto is getting much better as a technical fighter. He might just be S-ranked in base form now.

[Yadomaru]

Holy Shit that was kickass.
Just for that fight, this chapter ranks a 10.
Naruto's a beast. I think he might've lost a 2-v-1 if it had gone on for long, unless he went Sage Mode.
But he's still pretty damn good. Not yet better than Kakashi IMO - I'd put him about even with Kakashi-sensei at the moment.

[afrotaito]

nah from my take naruto held his own and was capable of beating the two but sakura let him down by getting in the way as usual

[Lnrd]

^True

If that fight was for real, I think Naruto could have won. A double Rasengan would have knocked their asses out.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

EDIT: First Naruto reacts to the Cloud Ninja as soon as they use Body Flicker to appear, next Naruto grabs Sai's blade, then knocks the female ninja back, then prevents the male ninja from using his sword with an elbow block, next uses the blade to stop the female ninja's sword's momentum by attacking the hilt, then using KB to stop the attack completely, finally being fast enough to catch Sakura who was already falling backward from the male ninja's attack.:omg: Damn, Naruto is getting much better as a technical fighter. He might just be S-ranked in base form now.

i agree...i was quite impressed by his showing here

[justin43]

At full power, I'd definitely say yeah. But, I don't think Naruto has surpassed him just yet in their base forms. But after Naruto gets more training to become well rounded, I'd say yeah.

EDIT: First Naruto reacts to the Cloud Ninja as soon as they use Body Flicker to appear, next Naruto grabs Sai's blade, then knocks the female ninja back, then prevents the male ninja from using his sword with an elbow block, next uses the blade to stop the female ninja's sword's momentum by attacking the hilt, then using KB to stop the attack completely, finally being fast enough to catch Sakura who was already falling backward from the male ninja's attack.:omg: Damn, Naruto is getting much better as a technical fighter. He might just be S-ranked in base form now.

That was some awesome moves by Naruto. Naruto may very well be S-rank in base mode.:amused: The only reason that Naruto's KB was owned was probably that both the clone and the real Naruto became worried by Sakura being kicked by the cloud nin. Interesting that the feudal lord can't just make Danzou the permanent Hokage. Can't wait for the next chapter.:popcorn:

[Paragon]

nah from my take naruto held his own and was capable of beating the two but sakura let him down by getting in the way as usual

I was just about to say the exact same thing. Naruto was owning but Sakura was the weak link yet again. Had she not been there i'm pretty sure he could have taken them on by himself. I like this new version of Naruto though, i just hope he remains likes this.

Fight made this a 10/10 for me.

[justin43]

I will have to say that Sakura needs to get some training because I know she must be getting tired of getting owned and wouldn't like to remain in Naruto's shadow.

Yeah, chapter gets a 10 out of 10 for me.:amused:

[afrotaito]

sakura turning into an orihime from bleach all she can really do is heal people. i just hope we dont get any ..naruto kuns x10

[chinaman1472]

Sai will paint Danzou's infomation :D

In any case, not a bad chapter.

[arishkegal]

This chapter gets a 10/10, just for the fight alone. Naruto in his base form is badass, Sakura needs to up her game if she is going to be of any help to her team, she is just dead weight in battles. I don't think that Danzou is completely wrong in wanting to kill Sasuke, look at what he is doing to the other villages. If he meant to get enough power in order to kill Itachi, then fine, that was for his revenge. Then he goes off and kills other people who have nothing to do with his revenge, he is just being used as a tool by villains, first Orochimaru then Madara.

I think that it is going to come to a head, with Naruto having to decide between his survival and saving his friend. Jiraiya tried to warn Naruto about this before they went on their 3 year training. Sasuke is a member of Akasuki, and their mission (as far as I know) is to capture the tailed beasts in order to gain world domination. Naruto is on their list of people to capture. I think that he needs to seriously consider killing him, and I think that this will be explored in the next chapter.

[Infinitekaos]

I was worried like everyone else when I heard Naruto would get owned. But that was far from the truth. As far as I could tell, Naruto was at least even in base mode with BOTH of them on a 2 on 1.

Sakura is becomming a waste of space. What good is super-human strength if you can't hit anyone.

I can't wait until next chapter. Naruto now knows Sasuke is Akatsuki. What will he do now!? And how can Danzo possibly gain the votes of the Jounin? I would think most of the Jounin's would be in favor of Kakashi. I don't see Danzo holding the title of Hokage that long. Of course I could be really wrong.

[Nikato]

Chapter was good. Naruto did own in his base form which was pretty damn awesome. Sakura...my god. I thought Sakura was being redeemed when Shipuuden came out, but now she sucks again.

[Felixus]

Yeah, just like everyone else i'm glad Naruto didn't get beaten up. Sakura did, but I could care less about her. Its kind of nice seeing the main character be able to fight for himself more and is now less dependant on others. I also love how he just takes Sai's sword/dagger thing and Sai has a WTF look on his face.

Well atleast the Jonin get a vote on the Hokage elections. Danzou himself acknowledged that Naruto will be a host, having a big influence on the elections. At this point Danzou should be licking his ass, not trying to piss him off by throwing orders to kill Sasuke. Even though Kakashi did explain that it might be a trap get Naruto in jail to keep the 9 tails contained. Like I said earlier I doubt they can keep him locked up though. Anyways, Danzou would have to pull something HUGE to get Naruto to support him. Like thats gonna happen...

[Infinitekaos]

Yeah, just like everyone else i'm glad Naruto didn't get beaten up. Sakura did, but I could care less about her. Its kind of nice seeing the main character be able to fight for himself more and is now less dependant on others. I also love how he just takes Sai's sword/dagger thing and Sai has a WTF look on his face.

Well atleast the Jonin get a vote on the Hokage elections. Danzou himself acknowledged that Naruto will be a host, having a big influence on the elections. At this point Danzou should be licking his ass, not trying to piss him off by throwing orders to kill Sasuke. Even though Kakashi did explain that it might be a trap get Naruto in jail to keep the 9 tails contained. Like I said earlier I doubt they can keep him locked up though. Anyways, Danzou would have to pull something HUGE to get Naruto to support him. Like thats gonna happen...

Well, Naruto doesn't have to support him. Naruto is a Genin and I don't think Genin get a vote. Even if said Genin is the savior of Konoha and a hero.

And wtf is up with Sakura. All of part one she was useless. No one ever took the time to train her or help her out. Then the time skip happens and she is an awesome medic-nin and decent fighter. But so far during ALL of part II, once again, no one is training her and her power level is remaining constant while everyone elses goes through the roof. Sasuke gets MS, Naruto Sage Mode and FRS, Sakura same as when part II first started. Kishi really needs to give her at least SOME power up if he wants her to hang around Naruto. I don't care if she's training off screen. Give her genjutsu or some shit.

Also, how long is Naruto gonna avoid Hinata after that confession? I know there is important matters to attend to like the rebuilding of the village, but it should at least be on his mind.

[Nikato]

Also, how long is Naruto gonna avoid Hinata after that confession? I know there is important matters to attend to like the rebuilding of the village, but it should at least be on his mind.

I think he's a little too busy with "Wtf I was gonna be the next Hokage. Believe it".

But no, he probably will talk to her about it at the end.

[Felixus]

Well, Naruto doesn't have to support him. Naruto is a Genin and I don't think Genin get a vote. Even if said Genin is the savior of Konoha and a hero...

...Also, how long is Naruto gonna avoid Hinata after that confession? I know there is important matters to attend to like the rebuilding of the village, but it should at least be on his mind.

Yeah, Naruto doesn't have to support him, but I really don't see Danzou winning without his support. But the more Danzou gets on Naruto's nerves ( as if he hasn't already) the more Naruto is going to protest against him, which means that Danzou may end up getting less support than he originally would have.

Might be awhile before they get to Hinata+Naruto moment, there's a 5 Kage meeting, Kisame's upcomming fight with Killerbee, Sasuke's advance towards Konoha. Lots of stuff going on right now. Naruto is too worried about what might happen to Sasuke, as opposed to Hinata who's just chillin around in the village somewhere when he can see her anytime he wants.

[Starzen]

after this chapter, naruto and all of konoha will understand that an alliance is more important than sasuke and since sasuke joined akatsuki, he is now an enemy of both konoha and naruto and that danzou had no choice but to do what he did.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, just like everyone else i'm glad Naruto didn't get beaten up. Sakura did, but I could care less about her. Its kind of nice seeing the main character be able to fight for himself more and is now less dependant on others. I also love how he just takes Sai's sword/dagger thing and Sai has a WTF look on his face.

Agreed completely here. It really is nice seeing Naruto be this badass and cool. I was actually pretty darn surprised when he took Sai's sword thing, but yeah, the look on Sai's face was something to laugh at.

Well atleast the Jonin get a vote on the Hokage elections. Danzou himself acknowledged that Naruto will be a host, having a big influence on the elections. At this point Danzou should be licking his ass, not trying to piss him off by throwing orders to kill Sasuke. Even though Kakashi did explain that it might be a trap get Naruto in jail to keep the 9 tails contained. Like I said earlier I doubt they can keep him locked up though. Anyways, Danzou would have to pull something HUGE to get Naruto to support him. Like thats gonna happen...

About Danzou saying Naruto is a host, let me just clarify that he was saying, "Host," with a capital "H," as in, the Host of a Bijuu; aka, a Jinchuuriki. That's what Danzou meant, not what you said about him being a big influence on the elections and stuff.

So, yeah, Danzou was saying that he wants to keep an eye on Naruto because he is a Jinchuuriki. This is what I was talking about earlier, when I said I was worried about Danzou strictly keeping tabs on Naruto as a Jinchuuriki.

And, yeah, even if Naruto could have a big influence on the elections, which he might since he's a Hero, and even Danzou said that if he did anything to him it might hurt his (meaning Danzou's) chances of becoming Hokage, I seriously and wholeheartedly doubt that Naruto's going to give him any kind of support.

Here's to hoping Naruto gets promoted to at least Chuunin status after all this. He really does need the promotion since, as he is the strongest in the village while in Sage Mode along with or without the Kyuubi, it would be really weird if he were to remain a Genin while everyone else in his class is at least a Chuunin already.

sakura turning into an orihime from bleach all she can really do is heal people. i just hope we dont get any ..naruto kuns x10

Well, aren't we already getting enough "Naruto-kun" utterances from Hinata? I'm actually fine with it, though. What really gets me sometimes is how Sakura would always call Sasuke "Sasuke-kun". And I actually don't even hate Sakura.

Well, Naruto doesn't have to support him. Naruto is a Genin and I don't think Genin get a vote. Even if said Genin is the savior of Konoha and a hero.

This is true, but Danzou still feels like he needs to be careful with how he deals with Naruto right now, since the villagers believe in him (i.e. in Naruto) more, and if he did anything to him it might hurt his own (i.e. Danzou's own) chances of becoming Hokage. This tells me that Naruto might actually have a big influence in this, even if he doesn't really get to vote.

And wtf is up with Sakura. All of part one she was useless. No one ever took the time to train her or help her out. Then the time skip happens and she is an awesome medic-nin and decent fighter. But so far during ALL of part II, once again, no one is training her and her power level is remaining constant while everyone elses goes through the roof. Sasuke gets MS, Naruto Sage Mode and FRS, Sakura same as when part II first started. Kishi really needs to give her at least SOME power up if he wants her to hang around Naruto. I don't care if she's training off screen. Give her genjutsu or some shit.

Agreed here. Someone really does need to give her some more training. I myself do think Team 7 needs to step their game up a notch to keep up with how strong Naruto has gotten now. And in the fight in this chapter, I could've sworn he seemed to be pretty fast, even in base form. Or is it just me?

Also, how long is Naruto gonna avoid Hinata after that confession? I know there is important matters to attend to like the rebuilding of the village, but it should at least be on his mind.

I don't really think he's deliberately trying to avoid Hinata. And like others said, with all the stuff that's going on, and also the stuff that is about to happen, he doesn't really have time to go and talk to her.

But, speaking of Hinata, where is she, anyway? She wasn't shown in this chapter at all.

[Lnrd]

1. Well, Naruto doesn't have to support him. Naruto is a Genin and I don't think Genin get a vote. Even if said Genin is the savior of Konoha and a hero.

And wtf is up with Sakura. All of part one she was useless. No one ever took the time to train her or help her out. Then the time skip happens and she is an awesome medic-nin and decent fighter. But so far during ALL of part II, once again, no one is training her and her power level is remaining constant while everyone elses goes through the roof. Sasuke gets MS, Naruto Sage Mode and FRS, Sakura same as when part II first started. Kishi really needs to give her at least SOME power up if he wants her to hang around Naruto. I don't care if she's training off screen. Give her genjutsu or some shit.

2. Also, how long is Naruto gonna avoid Hinata after that confession? I know there is important matters to attend to like the rebuilding of the village, but it should at least be on his mind.

1. It's not so much that Naruto has a vote. The villagers are now looking at Naruto like he's the Hokage. Their respect and love for him is through the roof, he brought back all the dead villagers back from death. Naruto has a very large fan base atm, and Danzou realizes that. And, damn near all the jounin are apart of the fan base. So Naruto could easily sway votes one way or another.

2. Naruto already hit during that mild time skip we had last chapter.:push:

[afrotaito]

all danzou has to do is keep naruto in the village since sasuke is coming for naruto, danzou, and reek revenge on konoha. its almost like he will be vindicated in his actions. since he will try to protect the village. also since konoha let the missing nin- sasuke live the unless they deal with him they risk bad relations with kumogakure. danzou might just get those votes.


since madara is magikare does that mean his one of the 5 kages that we will see next chapter

[xPyrox]

all danzou has to do is keep naruto in the village since sasuke is coming for naruto, danzou, and reek revenge on konoha. its almost like he will be vindicated in his actions. since he will try to protect the village. also since konoha let the missing nin- sasuke live the unless they deal with him they risk bad relations with kumogakure. danzou might just get those votes.


since madara is magikare does that mean his one of the 5 kages that we will see next chapter

I've wondered this, but I've also wondered how he would hide it, maybe like the Kazekage and the face mask, only Madara's is full face.
hm. still don't think its madara.

[Infinitekaos]

Agreed here. Someone really does need to give her some more training. I myself do think Team 7 needs to step their game up a notch to keep up with how strong Naruto has gotten now. And in the fight in this chapter, I could've sworn he seemed to be pretty fast, even in base form. Or is it just me?

He did seem fast in base form. He was able to catch a kicked Sakura by running all the way around after she had already been kicked. Even the Cloud Ninja were kinda surprised by Naruto. First he stopped the sword with his elbow and at the same time executed a Kage Bunshin and caught the chics sword.

[ismey]

decent chapter showed naruto has improved quite a lot in his base form.....though i am more interested at the 5 kage summit chapter about to come......hopefully lol :smile:

[Lnrd]

all danzou has to do is keep naruto in the village since sasuke is coming for naruto, danzou, and reek revenge on konoha. its almost like he will be vindicated in his actions. since he will try to protect the village. also since konoha let the missing nin- sasuke live the unless they deal with him they risk bad relations with kumogakure. danzou might just get those votes.


since madara is magikare does that mean his one of the 5 kages that we will see next chapter

It was said in a databook that he was the former Mizukage, not the current. So the Mizukage we see won't be him. I seem to forget which one though?:confused:

EDIT: It wasn't a databook. In volume 44, Kisame doesn't say "Mizukage", he calls him "Lord Mizukage Emeritus". Emeritus means former.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

He did seem fast in base form. He was able to catch a kicked Sakura by running all the way around after she had already been kicked. Even the Cloud Ninja were kinda surprised by Naruto. First he stopped the sword with his elbow and at the same time executed a Kage Bunshin and caught the chics sword.

Yeah, thought so. So, yeah, if he's already that fast in base form, I can't imagine how fast he'd be in Kyuubi Mode or Sage Mode.

1. It's not so much that Naruto has a vote. The villagers are now looking at Naruto like he's the Hokage. Their respect and love for him is through the roof, he brought back all the dead villagers back from death. Naruto has a very large fan base atm, and Danzou realizes that. And, damn near all the jounin are apart of the fan base. So Naruto could easily sway votes one way or another.

I agree with you completely here, though I think the villagers know it was Nagato's Tensei Ninjutsu that brought everyone back to life, since Katsuya did tell them everything that happened. But since it was Naruto's words that swayed him and got him to do that, they obviously do see him as the savior.

2. Naruto already hit during that mild time skip we had last chapter.:push:

Well, we only assumed that's the case, but we can't really be certain either way. We'll have to wait and see what happens on this. But believe me, I do hope you're right.

all danzou has to do is keep naruto in the village since sasuke is coming for naruto, danzou, and reek revenge on konoha. its almost like he will be vindicated in his actions. since he will try to protect the village. also since konoha let the missing nin- sasuke live the unless they deal with him they risk bad relations with kumogakure. danzou might just get those votes.

I really don't want Danzou as the Hokage, so I seriously hope he doesn't get votes in this manner, either. But we never know what Kishimoto's thinking, so maybe this will happen. Who knows?

It was said in a databook that he was the former Mizukage, not the current. So the Mizukage we see won't be him. I seem to forget which one though?:confused:

EDIT: It wasn't a databook. In volume 44, Kisame doesn't say "Mizukage", he calls him "Lord Mizukage Emeritus". Emeritus means former.

Yes, this is true. Madara is the former Mizugake, not the current, so he won't be at the 5 Kage Summit. If the theory of him being both Madara and Danzou is correct, though, then he'd be at the Summit as the Hokage if he gets those votes. If not, then Kakashi will be there if the villagers vote for him to be Hokage.

[ismey]

i hope the jonin dont vote for danzo which makes space for kakashi to become hokage

[Nikato]

i hope the jonin dont vote for danzo which makes space for kakashi to become hokage

I doubt they would. Those present seemed to fair more in Kakashi's favor. I actually think that this is going to end after the Sasuke fight, where they vote Naruto to become the next Hokage.

I mean hell, the Hokage -is- the strongest in the village right? I can't say anything about Danzo (besides him always having lacky's), but I do believe that Naruto is the strongest Ninja currently in Konoha (again from those we have seen).

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I feel the same way, actually. In Sage Mode, Naruto is easily the strongest shinobi in all of Konoha now. Though, I think he still needs leadership training. He's still lacking in that, but he has pretty much everything else a Hokage needs. No one said you can't have an assistant, since Tsunade had Shizune, and all the past Hokages have also had those two advisers with them to help out when needed. Kakashi and/or Shikamaru could be Naruto's strategist(s).

[Lnrd]

QFT and I love the idea of both of them being his advisers/strategists.

[pumpkin13]

He did seem fast in base form. He was able to catch a kicked Sakura by running all the way around after she had already been kicked. Even the Cloud Ninja were kinda surprised by Naruto. First he stopped the sword with his elbow and at the same time executed a Kage Bunshin and caught the chics sword.

Looks to me more like he goes to elbow one of them and they stop his elbow with the hilt of their sword, as opposed to him stopping the sword with his elbow.

[Lnrd]

Looks to me more like he goes to elbow one of them and they stop his elbow with the hilt of their sword, as opposed to him stopping the sword with his elbow.

After a second look it does look like that. But, it still doesn't downgrade too much the skill Naruto showed then.

[Infinitekaos]

Looks to me more like he goes to elbow one of them and they stop his elbow with the hilt of their sword, as opposed to him stopping the sword with his elbow.

You might be right. It did look like he was gonna elbow that girl who was off balance and the guy blocked it with his sword. But the execution of Kage Bunshin after was pretty nice. Either way, Naruto did well for a 2 on 1 there. He probably would have taken out that woman rather easily if the other guy didn't stop Naruto's attack.

[Nikato]

Kakashi and/or Shikamaru could be Naruto's strategist(s).


Oh god. Shikimaru as Naruto's strategist? I think Naruto would become pirate king of the world with that power.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Oh god. Shikimaru as Naruto's strategist? I think Naruto would become pirate king of the world with that power.

Isn't that the point? Lol.

You might be right. It did look like he was gonna elbow that girl who was off balance and the guy blocked it with his sword. But the execution of Kage Bunshin after was pretty nice. Either way, Naruto did well for a 2 on 1 there. He probably would have taken out that woman rather easily if the other guy didn't stop Naruto's attack.

Yeah, Naruto did try to elbow that woman there, but you're right, everything else Naruto did was pretty nice and skillful, especially the way he executed the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, like you side. I agree with everything else you've said here, too. And I still am awed by the speed he showed in this fight, and how he took the dagger/sword thing from Sai's back.

QFT and I love the idea of both of them being his advisers/strategists.

Yeah, but don't misunderstand: I was talking about the two Village Elders as the advisers. They're the ones who've always acted as advisers for all the past Hokage, too. Tsunade also had them as advisers.

[Vergil]

Great chapter. 9/10
Naruto now shows great skills at fighting everywhere
It seems Kishimoto picked up a habit of drawing Sasuke on last panel of each chapter.

[xPyrox]

It's to please the fan girls. I'd read the chapter and yet my girlfriend was flailing screaming "OMG ITS SASUKE THATS SO FIT'

I was basically like ">Facepalm< Shit. get a hobby"

[Infinitekaos]

Some interesting points on the Naruto blocking Omoi or Omoi blocking Naruto argument.

From NF.com:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8862/narutoclarification.jpg

1. Naruto is originally lined up to strike Karui with an elbow to the face.
2. Omoi moves to intercept, grabbing the hilt of his sword.
3. Naruto pivots on his right foot, swinging his left counter-clockwise to halt Omoi (whether he was intending for a face-strike and was blocked or his intention was to neutralize the sword that Omoi had just grabbed is unknown). In the original manga panel there are small dust clouds around Omoi's feet indicating a straight line (blue arrow) and around Naruto's left foot indicating an arc (2nd orange arrow).
4. After that is Karui rolling over Omoi to make her sword-swing.

I think it's impossible to definitely tell whether Naruto's attack was blocked or whether he neutralized Omoi deliberately. Since Naruto is neither shown surprised by Omoi's movement nor is he shown reacting to the elbow-sword-hilt contact, we can't say for certain.

What IS certain is that Naruto anticipated Omoi's actions in some way even though he was facing Karui and reacted incredibly swiftly to facing both Cloud shinobi.


Just compare this with the dust streaks at the top of the following page.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3079/narutoedit1.jpg

Notice that Karui doesn't have a dust cloud. This proves she hasn't moved

If she had .....

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2614/narutoedit2.jpg

there would be a dust cloud where the red circle is.

So Naruto anticipated/blocked Omoi - agreed ?

The visual evidence of the footwork is something I didn't notice before.

However, I think the dust cloud pointed at in the picture above is Naruto's RIGHT foot to swing in for the elbow. NOT his left foot swinging around to block. What do you guys think?

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

Incredibly interesting points there infinite

[Felixus]

Wow, people actually want that far as to draw diagrams, lol extreme. Anyways I think Omoi might of hoped to bash Naruto in the face with his hilt if he could, but overall intention was to stop Naruto by putting him in a position where he really has no choice but to block, or if he didn't block then a hit to the face to make him flinch will work. I don't see why Omoi wouldn't try to sneak a hit in there if it were possible, but probably didn't count on it happening. So its more of an either this or this happens, either way it stops Naruto's attack. So both ways get good results.

You could be right though infinitekaos, cause it doesn't look like the two dust clouds are connected to eachother according to where the circled dust clouds are. Thought it does kind of look like some of the cloud for Narutos foot movement is off the image cause it looks like the upper cloud on the left edge isn't closed connecting to more clouds possibly, so if it were a pivot it would make an arc shaped cloud. Unless he did a weird pivot and for some reason lifted his foot up. Hard to tell. It is kind of a funny argument, do the artists really think this much in depth when creating these little details?

Well, as long as Naruto's around I think Danzou's role as Hokage will be short lived. So Kakashi is the next Hokage if not Naruto? Kakashi has a great personality for it, he's pretty smart, very skilled and cares a lot about the village. However, he doesn't have that much chakra to fight with for long periods of time and if he uses the sharingan too much he's immobilized for a few day. So what do you guys think, could Kakashi handle it?

[Lnrd]

@infinite- I now see it as Omoi blocking Naruto based solely on this.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7097/11s.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

It looks to me like Omoi? is reacting to Naruto trying to elbow the girl. It still doesn't downplay the skill Naruto showed, but that's how I see it. But the change in footing is very confusing.:confused:

EDIT: With the footing, the only thing I can think of would be if... Omoi was going in for the elbow block using the hilt but at the last second Naruto noticed and made a quick pivot to meet him. If that was the case then neither of them blocked each other imho. Because both of their advances was based on defense.

[Infinitekaos]

I still think Omoi is blocking Naruto because I, like Felixus, think that the left foot and right foot dust clouds aren't connected. I think Naruto is going for a sweeping elbow while spinning and Omoi blocked it.

Naruto still showed amazing skill, but I thought it would be an interesting debate topic.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, I agree with Infinite on the pivot thing, but I too also agree that he still showed amazing skills here. His anticipation skills have improved greatly. Characters in the series would say, "he's no longer that Naruto," as they referred to the sucky and annoying Naruto as "that Naruto".

About the discussion on whether Kakashi will be good for the position of Hokage, well, yeah, he would. The only thing going against him is his lack of chakra. He could just hold the position until Naruto is ready for it, though, too.

By the way, any ideas on when Naruto is going to find out about his mom, and also the scroll Minato left behind that the Scroll Toad called "Naruto's Key"?

[Starzen]

the scroll frog seemingly disappeared as: A : naruto would have known about it if he went to naruto like he was ordered and : B : I'm sure fukusaku would have summoned naruto by now to start working on the jutsu if he knew about the scroll or : C : naruto will face tobi first or kishi wants team 7 to reunite first.

[Infinitekaos]

Kishi just has too many things on his plate at the moment.

1. Naruto's mother
2. The Key Frog Scroll and dealing with the seal of the Kyuubi
3. Danzou and possible fight for Hokage
4. The Kage Summit
5. Sasuke
6. Hinata
7. Kabuto
8. Remainder of Akatsuki

This is just a preliminary list, but it is a long list. Some things can be dealt with in a few chapters. Others will take much more time.

[xPyrox]

Compare that to Bleach? Rotfl.

Eh. Personally I think its more likely Naruto blocked Omoi.
You have to stop looking at it logically, and look at it a bit more from a writing perspective, Naruto doing this was to prove how much he had improved and not to boost how strong they were, why block with a hilt of a sword when he could have used his hand easily and use his other arm to use his sword, its pointless.

Also, naruto blocking it with his elbow is just so much more badass. Stop ruining it.