Ichigo's father

[hydromike2]

I was just thinking back to when the arrancar were new and when ichigos dad took care of grand fissure, i havnt been reading the entire manga, just the later half id say so from the sub, we know him to be of 'captain class'. Now i was just wondering how powerful he is, i mean undoubtedly he knows what is going on in karakuya town(excuse the spelling). If anyone remembers when :byakuya2: asked (:ukitate:?) on the bridge during Rukia's rescue i think it was about how ichigo resembled someone and inquired if they were related and ukitake did not think there was a relation. It would seem that byakuya knows(of) ichigo's dad. This also makes for a more interesting story because ichigos dad must be very old(in human terms) and we know he was not a captain when :urahara: left SS with the vizards so how is he living in the real world without a gigai for that long?
The real question is how is what is ichigos dad's role in the SS:HM battle?

[Sony]

at first i thought that Ukitake meant Kaien but now that i think about it no names were mentioned as to who Ukitake was thinking of

its possible that Ukitake may have meant Isshin
Isshin could have been a high ranking captain because he knew about the vizards and some current captains dont know about the existence of vizards

i think he is wearing a gigai that Urahara made thats why Urahara was concerned about his reiatsu shrivelling up

as of yet i think his only role is protecting his children, i dont think he is associated with SS anymore

[hydromike2]

I was just rewatching the episode(111/112) and Urahara asked him what it felt like to be a shimigami again after 20 years. Which makes sense as to why Byakuya would know of him, because he(Byakuya) was not a captain as of ~100 years ago because Yourichi was still teasing him during his training in a later episode.
Shinji says in 111 that he does not recognize Isshins reiatsu
Grand Fissure says and i quote from the DB sub "I See. With a Shimigami as a father, Kurosaki Ichigo is of pure blood."

So a few facts:
Isshin was a shimigami 20 years ago
The vaizards do not know Isshin, Isshin does know of them however
Isshin regrets not being strong enough to save his wife


Speculations, i was trying to figure out Ichigos mom's(Masaki's) part in SS but when Grand Fissure says that ichigo is of pure blood I assumed that meant 2 shimigami parents, but the meaning of "pure blood" may ahve bee lost in translation to really only mean having shimigami blood at all. Also explains how Ichigo is human because otherwise he(as his sisters) would not be able to be human with 2 SS born parents(unless Gigai are that advanced, but even then he would be born as a gigai or something?) I was trying to see if Kirio Hikifune(Uraharas predecessor) had some relation to Masaki but nothing there. Ichigo is only 15 as of last time wikipedia was updated and im assuming his sisters are no more than 5 years younger than him so therefore Masaki was killed no more than 5 years ago which just seems too recent to me. It almost seemed that she died about 20 years ago which obviously wouldnt make sense based on just Ichigos age.

Wondering under what conditions Isshin(/Masaki?) left SS, I was reading somewhere that Isshin had his powers sealed which would make sense why he could not save Masaki, but how did he get them back unless he is that awesome.
It would actually make a lot of sense for him to be a captain, particularly to be hitsugaya's predecessor, because hitsu is young/has been a captain for not a (relatively)long time. If you compare the list of the most recent captains to 100 years ago, Squads 10 and 11 are captainless. This is shown from an overhead view of the captains meeting in ep 210 when there are 10 captains in their meeting room and Kensei is out undergoing hollowification. Kenpachi we know(if i recall correctly) to have defeated his predecessor so again the most likely position predated Hitsu.

Just my speculation, please forgive my disorganization of my thoughts

[GinIchimaru]

First, i'm thinking Ukataki was def taking about Kaien and not Isshen(sry sp) just because Kaien looks exactly like Ichigo....Isshen looks nothing like Ichigo even though they are related.

Also, take into consideration a few of the Shikigami have been to Ichigos house and no one recognized him...Rklia, Matsumoto, Renji (shot Ichigo's dad with a shotgun), Shūhei Hisagi (bount ark), Ikkaku Madarame (bount ark), Yumichika Ayasegawa (bount ark), and Tōshirō Hitsugaya (Diamond Dust Rebellion Movie).

No one else ever hints to having seen Ichigo because of his face or having met Ichigos dad before. Thats just my opinion :)

[Fractal Bob]

Man Hydromike, you've done your homework. I think you are right.

[-Lilinette-]

What if Ichigo's Father is secretly.....THE KING OF SOUL SOCIETY...?! :P

[Macnui]

What if Ichigo's Father is secretly.....THE KING OF SOUL SOCIETY...?! :P

Now you're just over reacting...it is true that ichigo has grown more in 1 year the the whole of captains but still, hes at least 10 years away from even touching yamamoto.

About hes father we can imply that he was a captain for the mid term between the vizards creation and byakuya's captainship....

But still even if he actually beat aizen id still see him as dumbass father ...

[GinIchimaru]

I think theres gonna be a huge inclussion of hime in the next Arc, i dont think we're gonna figure out this mystery anytime soon but its gonna play a big role soomewhere down the line

[wedo0325]

the best answer to all your questions is honestly no one knows for sure yet as lame as that is

[ikkistorm]

i hope they touch up ichigos dad again cuz i wanna know wanna wats up with him

[MMZ]

I've personally narrowed it down to Isshin either being in the 0 squad/King's relm (high enough to know stuff, distance enough to not BE known of) or he was a prisoner in the maggot's nest 100 years ago (where he could have met Urahara, and known something of the Vizard from back then).

Another big kick to it all is Yamamoto, Ukitake, Unohana, and Shunsui have all been around since the beginning of the Gotei 13. Ichigo looks like Kaien so Ukitake had a wtf moment, but no one recognized the name "Kurosaki" either.

[ikkistorm]

I've personally narrowed it down to Isshin either being in the 0 squad/King's relm (high enough to know stuff, distance enough to not BE known of) or he was a prisoner in the maggot's nest 100 years ago (where he could have met Urahara, and known something of the Vizard from back then).

Another big kick to it all is Yamamoto, Ukitake, Unohana, and Shunsui have all been around since the beginning of the Gotei 13. Ichigo looks like Kaien so Ukitake had a wtf moment, but no one recognized the name "Kurosaki" either.

that is definatly true but ichigo and kaien look wayyy too much alike so i think there has to be some kind of relationship between them lolz even tho its not but i mean its like naruto and the 4th u never know unless they tell you

[MMZ]

that is definatly true but ichigo and kaien look wayyy too much alike so i think there has to be some kind of relationship between them lolz even tho its not but i mean its like naruto and the 4th u never know unless they tell you

I doubt any relation still with those two. I think it was just a good excuse to tie Rukia's interest in Ichigo for a while. Kaien is already officially a brother to Kukaku and Ganju in the Shiba clan. It might just be be an inconsistancy, but since Ichigo bear's enough resemblance to shock Ukitake, why didn't the Shibas freak out when a 'brother look-a-like" showed up? lol

[ikkistorm]

lol yeah i guess just weird how they do these things to make ppl spazz out about it

[Naturelaughslast]

I think there could be another possiblity in Ichigo's dad being Yama's son and thus Ichigo being Yama's grandson. Seems to be a common theme in stories with son's having fallen out with their elders. Would also explain both Ichigo's and Isshin's impressive riatsu. Zero squad and a previous captain or sub captain in spec ops is still just as plausible though as are the other ideas. Sadly its all just speculation at the moment.

[pumpkin13]

I'm pretty sure there was an official Isshin discussion thread...

[rada23]

Q: One thing your fans love about your manga is that you always keep them guessing. Do you plan very far ahead how your characters will interact with each other, and the various plot twists you throw into your stories?

Tite Kubo: After i finished drawing chapter one, I already knew that Ichigo's dad Isshin would be a Soul Reaper. At the time, I didn't plan on having leaders in the Soul Society, so I didn't plan on him being one of the leaders.

Q: Will you feature a back story about Isshin?

Tite Kubo: Yes, I will draw it!

We will just wait for KT to draw this Episode ^^

[Dooks]

another possibility is (thanks to the Urahara/Vaizards backstory eps for the idea) Isshin could've been one of the prison guards at the Maggot's Nest or something. it could explain him being unknown to most but known to Urahara.

another theory, is he could've been the guy that Zaraki defeated to become captain. in order for that to work out, he'd have to to fake his death and disappear to the real world.

however, if he is truly captain class, (he has a captain's robe, but no squad insignia on it), there's a span of about 80 years in which he could've held that rank between the Shinji/Kensei/Rose/Love/(empty 10th squad position) era and the Aizen/Tousen/Ichimaru/Komamura/Hitsugaya era (squads 5/9/3/7/10 respectively)
Squad 3 and 10 make the most sense, because squad 10 was already vacant and we know that Ichimaru was vice-captain under Aizen for a while before going to Squad 3, and we can assume Tousen and Komamura stepped right up in 7 & 9.
he couldn't have been the lazy Kenpachi they talked about because then Shinji would've recognized his raitsu when he appeared to kill the Kingfisher arrancar.

of course there's always the scenario that he was, like in the case of Captain Amagai, on a real long mission the whole time Shinji was captain and came back after their hollowfication and became captain then.

however, in episode 206 Captain Shinji mentions "we've been switching out captains one after the other". Isshin could've been any one of those short-lived captains and still retain "captain level" power.
but then they mention Urahara's predicessor, Hikifune, getting promoted from captain to royal guard. maybe they ALL wear blank captain robes in that squad.

those are all the possiblities I can come up with. I guess we'll only know for sure when Tite Kubo makes his backstory public.

on a side note, it's pretty amusing that Isshin and Ryuuken Ishida seem to have the same relationship as Ichigo and Uryuu

(wow I didn't expect to type that much when I started this post)

[taybossman]

ichigo is kinda a fake everyone thinks hes so strong just for a human but hes not human and the vizards killed him so know he reallly aint human. so it but it still is impressive his level of vpower in that amount of time

[ichigo k 001]

I was just thinking back to when the arrancar were new and when ichigos dad took care of grand fissure, i havnt been reading the entire manga, just the later half id say so from the sub, we know him to be of 'captain class'. Now i was just wondering how powerful he is, i mean undoubtedly he knows what is going on in karakuya town(excuse the spelling). If anyone remembers when :byakuya2: asked (:ukitate:?) on the bridge during Rukia's rescue i think it was about how ichigo resembled someone and inquired if they were related and ukitake did not think there was a relation. It would seem that byakuya knows(of) ichigo's dad. This also makes for a more interesting story because ichigos dad must be very old(in human terms) and we know he was not a captain when :urahara: left SS with the vizards so how is he living in the real world without a gigai for that long?
The real question is how is what is ichigos dad's role in the SS:HM battle?
thats a good one i have no idea tho lol

[Dooks]

Isshin and others in Soul Society may not know about the Vaizards hollowfication-at-will ability. all they probably know for sure is they turned into hollows and then vanished along with Urahara and Tessai. Urahara might have just kept Isshin informed by telling him stuff.

[Kariya01]

Just a random musing.... Is there a possibility that Isshin is a Vaizard yet to be revealed?
No thats stupid, ignore me!

I've got to say though, you guys really do your homework on these things dont you?

[Joji]

he was a royal guard i tell you.

[Macnui]

Ichigos dad probably was captain for while. there is NO way he was part of the royal guard .

1st the royal guard are composed of ex-captains that decided to "retire" or that were chosen.
2nd Royal guard members do not go outside the Soul Society's Kings plane of existence.
3rd- He know about the vizard cuz he knows urahara and had some contact with him in the past.

[xrawrx]

sorry to disapoint you people. but in the bleach souls book (prety much an encyclopedia on everything bleach up to the arancar arc) it says that ichigo reminded them of kaien. keep in mind that kubo wrote that encyclopedia.

[Kariya01]

Is it not possible that Isshin could have had children while he was in SS doing whatever he was doing? Hence Kaien's resemblence to Ichigo....

[xrawrx]

kaien is a shiba family member. so no.

[Kariya01]

Hmmm... good point lol

[xrawrx]

haha

[Kariya01]

I guess all we can really do is see what happens in the Manga...

EDIT: I can offer one fact - in Ep. 111, when addressing Cloud, Nova and Ririn, he says "my best friends trio". As Urahara created the gigai's they use, its pretty safe to say Urahara was his best friend.

[Dooks]

I can offer one fact - in Ep. 111, when addressing Cloud, Nova and Ririn, he says "my best friends trio". As Urahara created the gigai's they use, its pretty safe to say Urahara was his best friend.

that struck me as awkward when I saw it too. I just assumed it was a mistranslation or just a gesture to show them that he was aware of their presence and wanted them to know it was safe.
but we can't really assume Urahara and Isshin are best friends, because we have a large amount of evidence showing that Urahara and Youroichi are best friends....and we can assume Tessai is a close second

[xrawrx]

i wouldnt say tessai is uraharas best friend, because other than the fact that they were exiled at the same time and now work together,there is no evidence (or at least none that i can recall) that they were friends befor that incident.

[Dooks]

Sure there is!
When all the captains were at the meeting and Yamamoto sent out soon-to-be-Vaizards and denied Urahara permission to go, Tessai takes an extra second to study Urahara before he leaves. Later, when Tessai confronts him outside trying to sneak out, he says: "Are you going to save your vice-captain? I thought this might happen the moment I set eyes on you in the barracks.....We lived together in Yoruichi-dono's manor. Did you truly believe that I wouldn't figure it out?"
so they obviously knew each other relatively well.

[Kariya01]

I would say that Tessai and Urahara had a more professional relationship really... imo

[Ichigo_Kurosakifan15]

I was just thinking what if Isshin who was a Captian of the 0 divison or 11th Divison decided he had enough with his duties faked his death and went to the world of the living met Masaki in a gigi just like how Rukia met Ichigo with Urahara's help but still keep in the loop about the Vizards and Aizen and the Arrancars etc. and married her and had Ichigo , Karin and Yuzu , and with all the stuff that Aizen told Ichigo why he wanted Rukia was because of the Hokyoku that was inside her and how Urahara left the Soul Society because of what he done and how Urahara can make a gigi for a soul Reaper that can go undetected for years where others usually A Soul Reaper can detect them right off the bat , then I started to think that could be what happened to :isshin . :smile:

[Firefly]

Let me just ask one thing, we're all assuming Isshin was a captain after the Vizards. However, what if he was a captain before Yamamoto? They never actually say Yamamoto was the "FIRST" Captain. He just seems to be the strongest and the oldest. For all we know Isshin could be older than him. I mean, I think Yamamoto would have said something to Ichigo by now, Isshin Kurosaki, and now Ichigo Kurosaki. I think he would have said something along the lines of "How has your father doing?" Unless there is some major reason he was banned and his name is forbidden to say anything.

Though, he does know Ishida's father. So who knows, maybe he was kicked out for conspiring with a Quincy when the Shinigami hunted them down. Who knows. Maybe Isshin was once a Royal Guard(I don't remember what they called them, the ones that protect the king or whatever). I just hope that it tells more about him very soon.

[MMZ]

I don't think there's anything saying Yama was the first shinigami leader, but he DID start the shinigami academy. The souls do still age as made apparent by Yama's old look, and of course the way Hitsugaya, Gin, Rukia, and others have grown up over the years, so I Isshin couldn't be older at all.

On another topic, how about the possibility of Masaki having been a Quincy? It is suggested that she had some spiritual power. Masaki could have been a Quincy related to the Ishidas, hence Isshin and Ryuuken (Uryuu's dad) 'get along' despite being sworn enemies.

[Firefly]

That is the most plausible idea I've heard thus far. You sir win by me.

[kirby]

Well im throwing out my theory, I think that ichigos dad was one of the captains with or just after the TBTP story. this is why, I think it was tenth squad because one of the captains said that the current captain died just before that meeting for urahara so that left the 10th open. also looking at hitsugaya's "age" being so young and recently a captain maybe 20 years? issian had to be gone some time around then? Either by loosing his powers or something that wasnt explained yet? he could of been a captain of another squad too. the third(cause gin was too young and became the 5th VC), seventh cause that was open, tenth like I said or maybe ninth? we know Aizen was 5th captain some time after, tousen could of became the 9th around that time? He might of not been a captain cause he spoke of captain powers but never said he was. he did have that piece of cloth that looked like a captains. Well thats mine so im throwing that out there.

[Dooks]

I agree with MMZ. that post and my post on page 2 are the only possible explainations. I can't wait for the actual cannon backstory or clue.

someone in the series said at one point that souls age very slowly, yet through several flashback scenes, we know that some shinigami that were children still grew up even though they were souls the whole time (Rukia, Renji, Gin, Shuuhei, etc. were all shown as kids). there's no way that Isshin is older than Yamamoto. if he were, then he'd be an old-ass man too.

[Firefly]

Okay okay, fair enough. But yeah.

I think that after this, or in the middle there's going to be a small flashback arc with Isshin and Uuryu's father(I don't remember his name really. Hahah.)

[Mike Kuchiki]

I'm very interested in Ichigo Dad. Maybe a new Arc will surrond him.

[Firefly]

We're all pretty interested, I think that's why we keep coming back to this.

[Kariya01]

I like the idea of Masaki being a Quincy.... Could be something to that.
Would there be something to the fact that Ryuuken demanded Uuryu have nothing to do with Shinigami ever again if he teaches him to reaquire his powers???

[Firefly]

I'm thinking Masaki is Ryuuken's...................Dun dun dun Sister!

[Kariya01]

lol You never know these days... They could have had an affair?!? lol

[Seireitou Kuchiki]

lol You never know these days... They could have had an affair?!? lol

Thats true XD

Nice one XD

[Firefly]

Ugh, I hate the idea of an affair.And besides, if she was originally Ryuuken's wife, it wouldn't make sense, Uuryu and Ichigo are the same age.





I'd like to throw this in here, I was lurking the forum and saw it.

First, please keep the discussions on the main topic and try not to drag it into some other region that deters from the original. This is some interesting information I stumbled upon while I was looking for something completely different. With that being said, here I go...
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When you think back to why Urahara was exiled from Soul Society, what is the reason you think of? The Pendulum arc suggests that hollowfication was the reason...at least from what I gathered. However, upon further investigation of this, I have also been re-enlightened on an old fact. Urahara was not exiled from Soul Society completely for the reason of hollowfication. There was something else he was involved in. Episode 175, page 15 (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/175/15/).

Urahara was exiled also, because of his development of the gigai constructed of materials not derived from spirit particles. The adverse effects of these gigais were already known to eventually be able to turn a shinigami into a human soul, and because of this fact that they KNEW it would...leads to the theory that it had happened in the past. Who's to say how many times, but one can speculate.

My theory is as follows: I believe that Ichigo's mother was one of those shinigami. If you look at the range of spiritual power that each of the Kurosaki family members has, this can explain why. As she wore the gigai, she gradually lost her shinigami powers. This explains why Ichigo would've been a full-blooded shinigami to begin with and be able to so easily incorporate Rukia's abilities into himself. When Ichigo's mother lost even more power, she had the first daughter who can eventually fight against hollow. Then, after losing her abilities, the third child is born as a child resembling more human than the previous two.

Also, in Episode 188, page 07 (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/188/07/) Ishiin mentions his, "inability to save Masaki that night." If you think about the gigai being able to supress shinigami powers over time, would that account for Ishiin not being at full strength and able to save his wife?

Aside from that, if Ichigo was really the offspring of two shinigami...what would that make him compared to the shinigami that are born from the spirits who travel to Soul Society? When you ask this question, doesn't it seem like they are already able to procreate in Soul Society anyways? If this were the case, wouldn't there be some sort of full-blood hype in the shinigami ranks? Could this lead to the concept of the "Royal Families?" If a full-blood shinigami was considered royalty then...what about now?

The concept of royalty in my eyes when thinking about bloodline really comes to focus if you consider how most representations of vampires are concieved. Full-bloods always seem to get more respect and prestige than a half-blood. The full-blooded shinigami could've seen the poverty and absence of mind in the inhabitants of Rukongai as a flaw in their beings. Also, if you look at points of origin...wouldn't you think you were just a little...if not a great deal....different than people who had no parents to begin with?

When I consider everything above, I really can't help but to really believe some of it might come to reality in the series. But that's just my hoping that I understand where Tite Kubo might have began thinking about how to make his "Soul Society."

Only time can truely unveil all the secrets behind this story, but it sure is interesting to think about it...

[Kariya01]

Avix is a god damn genious! A lot of what he has there makes a hell of a lot of sense.

And I meant that she had the affair with Ryuuken while being married to Isshin... But that theory would never work anyway lol

[MMZ]

Avix is a god damn genious! A lot of what he has there makes a hell of a lot of sense.

And I meant that she had the affair with Ryuuken while being married to Isshin... But that theory would never work anyway lol

I concur! Nice theory Avix has there.

[Firefly]

I say we all go view the post and + rep him for it!


Well, maybe it's just me. But it fits well into what we're talking about.

[Dooks]

Avix had a pretty sound theory as a whole, but there's one snag:
When Ichigo's mother lost even more power, she had the first daughter who can eventually fight against hollow. Then, after losing her abilities, the third child is born as a child resembling more human than the previous two.

the snag is that Kirin and Yuzu are twins (even if they don't look like it), they were born at the same time and I seriously doubt there was any 'tipped scale' distibution of power to the two during development.
Kirin forced herself to be tougher and not cry and such. that is why she seems to not be afraid of hollows. we've seen ordinary humans (Orihime, Tatsuki, Asano) begin to see hollows after contact with and torment from one. Kirin was actually held by one and almost eaten while Yuzu was just knocked aside (the night Ichigo became a shinigami for the first time), thus is why Kirin can see them and Yuzu cannot.

[xrawrx]

i actualy thought they were twins but thought i was just imagining that , because his theory seemed so well i though he wouldve said somthing about them being twins

[Kariya01]

ah yeah, Totally forgot they were twins lol Guess its easy to forget considering how unalike they are in both look and personality...

You a good point Dooks

[SteveW311]

When Isshin defeats grand fisher, he is carrying his Captain's robe. He was a captian, that's certain. We just don't know of what division... I also think the continuity issues with Kaien and Ichigo are just that, continuity issues. and nothing more. They are not related in physical family and I don't think that they can be realted in any other way...

[gromzie]

Either Isshin was a captain of the 10th squad, or he was in the royal guard. This would be explained if people don't regognize his reiatsu. He might've been so badass that he was instantly transferred to the 0 squad.
If they do regognize his reiatsu wich was said to be insanely high by Ichigo, who has quite alot himself, before hueco mundo, then he was most likely a captain, and probably the 10th squad.

But what about the missing number, either he got deflected and stripped of the number, or royal squad members don't have number insignias, that makes the most sense imo. Because why would they let him have his powers, using Uraharas gigai etc etc. He must have escaped by himself, so why's there no number.

I don't remember if we were unable to see it, or if it just wasn't there. Anyway, time will tell.

[DeathBlow]

It could be that Isshin is from one of the royal families, that would also explain why Byakuya thought Ichigo resembled someone. It would also explain Ichigo's power.

[jonnoley]

Big list of my ideas on this.

1. I think Isshin would've been, most likely, Captain of the 10th Division. If we assume Hitsagaya has been captain for quite a short time, since he's so young, Isshin disappearing 20 years ago makes sense.

2. I don't think Isshin would've been Royal Guard. I don't think Soul Society would've let him escape/leave/whatever if he was that powerful.

3. Even if she was human, Masaki Kurosaki had abnormally large spirit power, shown in the fact Grand Fisher killed her, since Rukia states he uses his lure to attract people with high spirit pressures. And, assumedly, she had a higher power than the young Ichigo. Or Grand Fishers a moron and ate the wrong soul...

4. It could be possible that Isshin fathered Kaien then legged it (?), explaining the insane resemblence that no other Shiba shares. But the time frame wouldn't really fit this...

5. I've heard stuff about Masaki actually being Hikifune, the captain who got promoted making way for Urahara. I don't think this makes sense. Again, would they let her leave, or run away or whatever, and how could Grand Fisher posibly kill her?

Not that big list. Oh well

[Kariya01]

Given that I'm one for a bit of speculation.... Is there a chance that there is in fact a yet to be revealed squad/branch/organisation of Shinigami that he could have belonged to?

[pmorales40]

Hello all, i just signed up here but when i saw thiss forum i got excited. I have left this question on other forumss with no answer. " Will ichigos father make an apperance as a shimigami again?" " what is up with him?" Now that they are fighting in the fake karakura town will he make an appearance? Also to comment above i also think Ukitaki was talking about Kaien and not Isshin. Ichigo doess look like Kaien except for the hair color but we could be wrong. Ukitake is one if the oldest captains along with Kyouraku and Unohana so they would know of Isshin. At least i would think so. Well i hope he does make an appearance and clear up all our curiosities. Im sure we are not the only ones thinking along these lines.

[emaster070]

if they want to spice up the stories..I would be cool if isshin was the former Captain Commander and because he left in as sudden...the former had to take his place :P

I'm just saying

[Swiftkage]

he cannot be the former captain commander as the now Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto founded the gotei 13

also his personality is so.......

[Hollow_Flare]

I wonder.. wouldn't he look old as hell if he was from waaaay back then instead of looking like he's in his forties.

Of course there's no rule to that.. but still there's no clear description on how aging works

I wanna say though.. in my opinion, it might be Ichigo's mom that might hold some significance.. rather than just being wasted by some random fail hollow... there's gotta be more to her than just that. She seems like a really important person

[emaster070]

or what if ichigo was like grandson of the king or something..that he's noble and his father just ran away. That make sense..
Im just Saying

[Kitawo]

My Online game character is Isshin... I really am a fan of Isshin... what would be the revelation I'm sure I will like it...

[skorpion_02]

1. I think Isshin would've been, most likely, Captain of the 10th Division. If we assume Hitsagaya has been captain for quite a short time, since he's so young, Isshin disappearing 20 years ago makes sense.

2. I don't think Isshin would've been Royal Guard. I don't think Soul Society would've let him escape/leave/whatever if he was that powerful.

I think its more probable that he was in the Royal Guard.

If Isshin is the former captain of the 10th squad, Hirako should have recognized his reiatsu, since they should have seen each other one time or another in the captains' assemblies. But he didnt. Kyoraku mentioned that members and captain of the zeroth squad is usually not named (I think its not the exact words but it implies something like that). That could explain. Kyoraku knows because he is Kyoraku (come on guys). Besides Isshin disappeared from SS before Hirako, Urahara and company was exiled. That can account for the vacancy in the zeroth squad that former 12th squad captain Hikufune filled up, giving way to Urahara as the 12th squad captain.

and then Urahara knows Isshin. Well, one, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Urahara knows many things and people than other shinigami even captains and vice-captains, owing to many factors. Or two, but I think is less probable (personal opinion), Urahara met Isshin in Karakura.

How he managed to escape, I'm not sure but, think, Isshin is smart, however unapparent it may seem. And someone must have helped him. Like Urahara, since Urahara knows of his escape from SS. There are things Urahara can do that no one in the Soul Society can stop or know or replicate. In addition, Yoruichi can go in and out of the SS, and they cannot stop or even detect her. She's very much powerful as well, not to mention she is the former head of a noble house. I think this shows that SS is not always capable of stoping shinigamis, no matter how powerful, from leaving the place.

[cosmos89]

Isshin is my favourite character in Bleach and I really hope he shows up in the manga again soon.

[zarkenpachi]

ah i don know any thing about isshin but 1 thing is for sure he is strong since his son is so strong

[Kariya01]

Question...... Where is Isshin?

Considering he is, at the very least, Captain class, would it not be advantageous for him and everyone else to be helping the Captain's/Vice-Captain's out a little? I may have missed something but are Urahara and Yoruichi missing too???

[logainofhades]

Question...... Where is Isshin?

Considering he is, at the very least, Captain class, would it not be advantageous for him and everyone else to be helping the Captain's/Vice-Captain's out a little? I may have missed something but are Urahara and Yoruichi missing too???

Good question. Wonder when we will finally get more info on Isshin? It has been quite some time since we found out that at one time he was a Shinigami and obviously a captain class one @ that. I imagine that Isshin, Urahara, and Yoruichi are doing something to try to keep the barriers up from the outside.

[verilix]

Wasn't Urahara researching advanced Gigai? that would turn you into a human if worn for a prelonged period of time.

[knocky]

ichigo's dad might play a major role in defeating aizan. i think in the finale battle between him and ichy, ichigo will be knocked unconciseness or something like that and his father will show up then and kick some ass. ichigo will niva know his father true identity i dnt think.


sorry for spelling i quite drunk and its very late

[jeuxaijin]

totally zero squad cappy. any other squad doesn't really make sense to me cause of that unmarked haori and that noone recognises the kurosaki name. although he could've been a captain pre ukitake/shunsui and yamajii/unohana are just being all mysteriouslike.

hm, if he'd been demoted or expelled from ss he'd have prolly been stripped of his haori no? i don't know, the idea of him being in the royal guard is win.

the whole not having shinigami powers for 20 years thing is a clue, but i've no idea what for. har.

[Kariya01]

Could be he is actually part of a secret group of Shinigami that only Yama-Jii knows about. Could explain the different haori he has I guess. Some captain level group whose sole purpose was to find the Vizard or stop them coming back to SS. Took so long his powers eventually diminished and somehow found a way to get them back.... who knows?

[skycrapper]

It's very interesting that Isshin, despite of his knowledge about the vizards, doesn't know that the former captains and vcs turned into vizards through Aizen's doing in that night's incident. Also, Isshin seems to not know that the hougyouku is created by Urahara, and it's him who brought the vizards to the real world.

Thus, the theory that Isshin was indeed a part of Yamamoto's secret service - or other organization apart from the Gotei - might be valid. He seems to share the same point of view with Yamamoto over the vizards.

Ref: Ch. 188.

[Kariya01]

In ch. 188 Urahara actually says he doesnt want Isshin blaming him for his decrease in spiritual pressure/reiatsu.... Depending on how you interpret it, he could have actually been more powerful than a captain.

[CakeSpoon]

It's very interesting that Isshin, despite of his knowledge about the vizards, doesn't know that the former captains and vcs turned into vizards through Aizen's doing in that night's incident. Also, Isshin seems to not know that the hougyouku is created by Urahara, and it's him who brought the vizards to the real world.

Thus, the theory that Isshin was indeed a part of Yamamoto's secret service - or other organization apart from the Gotei - might be valid. He seems to share the same point of view with Yamamoto over the vizards.

Ref: Ch. 188.

To me, when he was talking about the Vizard using forbidden kido, it seems like he's just repeating what his mission was. He now clearly knows about Aizen, the Hogyoku & Arrancarisation & is friends with Urahara, who probably explained the situation, which is why he stopped the hunt.

As I said, that's my opinion, and I think Isshin, Urahara, Tessai & Ryuken have an alliance, of sorts & they will become major players in a later arc.

[Kariya01]

Urahara is obviously keeping in constant contact with Isshin. Urahara even told Isshin that he predicts the Vizard would contact Ichigo.

Considering Isshin & Ryuken seem like old buddies, I'm curious as to why Ryuken told Ishida to never speak with Shinigami again... He must have known that wouldn't happen. Plus its kinda hypocritical when one of his friends is a Shinigami lol

I think what we need is this new arc that explores Isshin more and we find something new out about Masaki. I think she plays a larger role than just being killed before the first chapter. Afterall, Hollows attack people with large amounts of reiatsu right? I dont think Ichigo's would have been so enormous when he was what, 6? Plus he was a bit of a wimp lol

She seems to come off as someone to be overlooked. She could have been the anti-Hougyoku lol Thats why Isshin married her and why he is connected to Urahara. Also help explain why Ichigo has so much reiatsu - look where it could have come from... But I'm talking nonsense again lol So I'll zip it for now :)


btw Cake, I actually lol'd at the Power Rangers thing in your Sig

[VizardX]

I read this whole thing and I agreed with some of the things people have said. Also you guys never said why Isshin smokes

[jeuxaijin]

smoking gets the ladies all weak kneed, just look at urahara.

i think ryuuken told uryuu to keep away from shinigami to keep him as safe as poss, if i had a kid i don't think i'd want them taking a trip to hm.

[VizardX]

I remember when Ichigo came back to WOTL from the SS and Isshin was up the next morning fight with Ichigo as if nothing had happen

[dreamerP]

what troubles me the most is what was said between Ukitake and Byakuya in the SS arc.

when they first encountered ichigo on that bridge, you know, when he had that flying thing on and tried to save rukia, Ukitake looked at Ichigo and said something like
"he reminds me of..."
and Byakuya's response was something like
"don't even go there, he is nothing more than a stranger"

since I am too vague on details, i have no idea of what ot make out of this dialogue and how this relates to Ichigo's father, but it must be a very important hint

[Kariya01]

I think up to this very moment its pretty much assumed that they were referring to Shiba Kaien (the Shinigami Rukia 'killed' after he was taken over by a hollow), as Ichigo does bare a strong resemblance. I don't think it has really been stated anywhere who they actually meant.

[pumpkin13]

I'm pretty sure there's at least two other "official" Isshin discussion threads... but whatever.

Yes they most likely were talking about Kaien.

[VizardX]

yes and the only people who don't mantion about Ichigo looking like Kaien is Kaien's sister and brother

[Bang_Bang]

i think he was refering to his old vc that rukia killed.

[CakeSpoon]

This thread is mostly the same 2 posts over & over.

1. I think it was Kaien they were talking about.

2. I think it was Isshin they were talking about.

Mixed with some, I think Isshin was in the Zero squad/was the king/was captain of ? division.

He's a shinigami from less than 100 years ago, given he was sent to hunt the Vizards, he has what looks like a captain's haori & has some strength, although taking out Grand Fisher is not particularly impressive.

I'm not sure who Byakuya & Ukitake were talking about, probably Kaien, but it's not necessarily a fact.

[skycrapper]

Hehe . . . and this page REALLY intrigue me

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000106222/10.jpg

Who is "HIM"?

[Wras]

It's Kaien. All times, it's Kaien. Kubo has stated it's Kaien Ukitake and Byakuya are referring to. An image of Kaien is even seen when Byakuya reflects on how Ichigo's actions resembled Kaien's after they fought.

[d2sharp]

Kaien.......Ichigos' uncle? or cousin?
you have shiba then kaien then ganju who messes everything up. I would believe Kaien being an uncle but the thought of ganju being an uncle is just retarded. I could see Isshin being an older bro to shiba, but ganju just messes everything up again.

[CakeSpoon]

Kaien.......Ichigos' uncle? or cousin?
you have shiba then kaien then ganju who messes everything up. I would believe Kaien being an uncle but the thought of ganju being an uncle is just retarded. I could see Isshin being an older bro to shiba, but ganju just messes everything up again.

Damn Ganju ruining everything.

I always thought it was weird that all the characters notice that Ichigo & Kaien look somewhat similar, but Kaien & Hisagi looking pretty much exactly the same manages to escape them.

If Kaien is related to Ichigo, then Ichigo should get revenge on Rukia for killing part of his family, twice.

[jeuxaijin]

poor ganju black sheep. not only does he miss out on the shiba smoking hot gene but he trolls on tenuous theories :amused:

[VizardX]

You mean think that Ichigo's father was the head of the Shiba family

[d2sharp]

You mean think that Ichigo's father was the head of the Shiba family

Why the hell, they all have the crazy family fighting thing going on. We know something happened to the shiba family that made them become removed from nobility and ichigos' dad is hiding the reason he left ss. plus the kaien and ichigo look a like thing is too much to ignore.

[VizardX]

Ya Ganju and Ichigo fight as they were brothers too.

[pumpkin13]

Why the hell, they all have the crazy family fighting thing going on. We know something happened to the shiba family that made them become removed from nobility and ichigos' dad is hiding the reason he left ss. plus the kaien and ichigo look a like thing is too much to ignore.

agreed. and we know kubo plans things waaaaay in advance too. would be worth going back and reading the sections at Kuukaku's house again to see if one can pick up on any possible hints.

It's quite possible that Isshin's departure from SS was what caused the fall of the Shiba clan.

[Aige]

Dam Im too late. I was about to post this up after wiki'ing bleach. I did have some idea about Isshin being head of Shiba Family and would thus have some tie-in with Kaien and Ichigo resemblence.

[Aige]

If this would be true, then Isshin would have access to a Senkaimon. Thus jumping from SS to KT.
Then we could assume that Isshins purpose for visiting KT would be for Masaki.
Romeo and Juliet reference between Shinigami and Quincy.

FACT: The Shiba family guards, Koganehiko and Shiroganehiko (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Koganehiko_and_Shiroganehiko). "It also seems that they have been guards at the Shiba house for a long time as seen when they had instantly recognized Yoruichi Shihōin in her feline form even though she had not set foot in Soul Society in 100 years".

Im pointing out the Shiba and Shihoin families are pretty close.

Someone had said that Urahara and someone else, I thought it was Isshin, was under the same House of Shihoin. Or something relative to that context. This leads me to think that Isshin and Urahara had previous incounters before that night Isshin kills off grandfisher.

[d2sharp]

If this would be true, then Isshin would have access to a Senkaimon. Thus jumping from SS to KT.
Then we could assume that Isshins purpose for visiting KT would be for Masaki.
Romeo and Juliet reference between Shinigami and Quincy.

FACT: The Shiba family guards, Koganehiko and Shiroganehiko (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Koganehiko_and_Shiroganehiko). "It also seems that they have been guards at the Shiba house for a long time as seen when they had instantly recognized Yoruichi Shihōin in her feline form even though she had not set foot in Soul Society in 100 years".

Im pointing out the Shiba and Shihoin families are pretty close.

Someone had said that Urahara and someone else, I thought it was Isshin, was under the same House of Shihoin. Or something relative to that context. This leads me to think that Isshin and Urahara had previous incounters before that night Isshin kills off grandfisher.

Nice but don't double post, use the edit button.

[VizardX]

If this would be true, then Isshin would have access to a Senkaimon. Thus jumping from SS to KT.
Then we could assume that Isshins purpose for visiting KT would be for Masaki.
Romeo and Juliet reference between Shinigami and Quincy.

FACT: The Shiba family guards, Koganehiko and Shiroganehiko (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Koganehiko_and_Shiroganehiko). "It also seems that they have been guards at the Shiba house for a long time as seen when they had instantly recognized Yoruichi Shihōin in her feline form even though she had not set foot in Soul Society in 100 years".

Im pointing out the Shiba and Shihoin families are pretty close.

Someone had said that Urahara and someone else, I thought it was Isshin, was under the same House of Shihoin. Or something relative to that context. This leads me to think that Isshin and Urahara had previous incounters before that night Isshin kills off grandfisher.

Well Urahara and Isshin propbly meet when Isshin went to the World of the Living.

[Marauda]

I kind of agree with a fanfic I'm reading called Bleach: "Armageddon", I think. When it states that Ichigo's father is the son of the captain-commander.

[Aige]

Much apologies for double post.

I kind of agree with a fanfic I'm reading called Bleach: "Armageddon", I think. When it states that Ichigo's father is the son of the captain-commander.

Oh sounds interesting, could you explain.

I heard how Ichigo is constantly releasing reiastu uncontrollably the same way Kenpachi does, so maybe Ken-chan is a relative. Uncle Ken!!!
and
Isshin being a clinic doctor, he'd be the former 4th cap before Unohana.

I like hearing about stuff like that but BleachWiki has all the hard evidence.

[VizardX]

Unohana is old and they said she was First 4th Captain

[aastik01]

My Online game character is Isshin... I really am a fan of Isshin... what would be the revelation I'm sure I will like it...

dude i am new here can u give me the link for the game which u play??

[Kariya01]

Unohana is old and they said she was First 4th Captain

I'm not sure it was actually said she was the first since not much about her past has been revealed. During the TBTP arc, Shunsui/Ukitake do say that along with them and Yamamoto, she is one of the last captains from 100 years ago before that. So she has been the 4th Division captain for at least 210 years. God only knows what came before that lol God in this case being Tite Kubo :bigsmile:

[aastik01]

i do agree with u about secret organization apart from the Gotei.
but now the question arises how do Urahara came into touch with him??

[aastik01]

Isshin couldn't have been the former 4th cap before Unohana. as unohana was the first.

[Kariya01]

I think Urahara would have at least met him before. Maybe Isshin visited Masaki quite often before marriage and so on. He may have helped him get away from Soul Society safely and without detection.

[d2sharp]

i do agree with u about secret organization apart from the Gotei.
but now the question arises how do Urahara came into touch with him??

It's obvious, Urahara is a childhood friend oh yoruichi, we don't know if he was a part of nobility yet but knowing yoruichi allows him to know kuuaku and others.

[aastik01]

What if Ichigo's Father is secretly.....THE KING OF SOUL SOCIETY...?! :P
lol......
this can never be possible

[d2sharp]

lol......
this can never be possible

It's not impossible and I can't be bothered to explain it, it has repeated too any times.

[Aige]

It's obvious, Urahara is a childhood friend oh yoruichi, we don't know if he was a part of nobility yet but knowing yoruichi allows him to know kuuaku and others.

Urahara was a seated officer in Yoruichis squad during her captaincy, which is fact. But I don't think they where childhood friends.

So what we have on Isshin so far.
1. His powers have been dormant for 20 years.
2. He is aware of Aizen, the Vizards, and Arrancars.
3. Captain level power along with robe with no insignia.
4. Shinji couldn't recognize his reiatsu.
5. Urahara wouldn't want to be blamed for Isshins power decrease. (Im guessing because of that special gigai that got Urahara exiled in the first place,along with hollowification.)

Someone make a timeline. Ill help out with the info. Id make one myself but Im bad with dates and being organized.

I dont know why a timeline, but I think it'll be nice to have something stable or some kind of way to steady our views about Isshin.

[skycrapper]

Ichigo's father is . . .

Isshin.

[d2sharp]

Urahara was a seated officer in Yoruichis squad during her captaincy, which is fact. But I don't think they where childhood friends.

So what we have on Isshin so far.
1. His powers have been dormant for 20 years.
2. He is aware of Aizen, the Vizards, and Arrancars.
3. Captain level power along with robe with no insignia.
4. Shinji couldn't recognize his reiatsu.
5. Urahara wouldn't want to be blamed for Isshins power decrease. (Im guessing because of that special gigai that got Urahara exiled in the first place,along with hollowification.)

Someone make a timeline. Ill help out with the info. Id make one myself but Im bad with dates and being organized.

I dont know why a timeline, but I think it'll be nice to have something stable or some kind of way to steady our views about Isshin.

They were childhood friends, can't remember who referred to it but it has been referred to. You thought yoruichi was just friendly with urahara because he was in her squad?. They made the secret training ground together when they were kids.
In TBTP arc yoruichi had just become the 2nd division captain, so she obviously knew urahara before hand, Yoruichi had a very short captaincy of about ten years.

Also Isshin I think was most likely 3rd division captain, Since that captain had retired.

[Aige]

They were childhood friends, can't remember who referred to it but it has been referred to. You thought yoruichi was just friendly with urahara because he was in her squad?. They made the secret training ground together when they were kids.
In TBTP arc yoruichi had just become the 2nd division captain, so she obviously knew urahara before hand, Yoruichi had a very short captaincy of about ten years.

Also Isshin I think was most likely 3rd division captain, Since that captain had retired.

Well Im not saying the relationship between Urahara and Yoruichi aren't beyond being squad member to captain. I think Urahara had some involvement in Yoruichi being the only person in SS to transform into a cat. Still just a speculation though.

And I like the thought of Isshin could've been 3rd div. cap.
Heres a fact that would support it.
Under 'Rose' Rōjūrō Ōtoribashi page in BleachWiki (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/R%C5%8Dj%C5%ABr%C5%8D_Otoribashi), Its says 112 years ago he was promoted. The TBTP arc was 110 years ago, so this would mean Rose would probably be the newest edition to captaincy other than Urahara at the beginning of the arc.

[Shadowsdie]

Well Im not saying the relationship between Urahara and Yoruichi aren't beyond being squad member to captain. I think Urahara had some involvement in Yoruichi being the only person in SS to transform into a cat. Still just a speculation though.

And I like the thought of Isshin could've been 3rd div. cap.
Heres a fact that would support it.
Under 'Rose' Rōjūrō Ōtoribashi page in BleachWiki (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/R%C5%8Dj%C5%ABr%C5%8D_Otoribashi), Its says 112 years ago he was promoted. The TBTP arc was 110 years ago, so this would mean Rose would probably be the newest edition to captaincy other than Urahara at the beginning of the arc.

Not possible as Shinji did not recognise Isshin's Spiritual pressure in the real world, yet what you said, Isshin would of been a captain at the same time as Shinji was (considering if Shinji was still a captain a few years before Rose became a captain).

[Aige]

ahh good point, thanks for clarifying.

Still makes you think who was Captain before Rose.


Well back to Isshin..
Any other good suggestions of what division Isshin would've been a captain of?

[Space Cowboy23]

has anyone ever noticed that zangetsu looks alot like Isshin

[skycrapper]

has anyone ever noticed that zangetsu looks alot like Isshin

Enlighten me . . .

[CakeSpoon]

It's not impossible and I can't be bothered to explain it, it has repeated too any times.

While it's not directly been stated that it's impossible for Isshin to be the king, it would be straight up retarded if he was, Kubo would have to be hitting the drugs extra hard that week for that to happen.

[aastik01]

has anyone ever noticed that zangetsu looks alot like Isshin
How do u think see?
Please explain!

[VizardX]

has anyone ever noticed that zangetsu looks alot like Isshin

I like to know how Zangetsu look like Isshin
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/en/images/thumb/c/c4/Isshin_Kurosaki.jpg/290px-Isshin_Kurosaki.jpghttp://www.nautiljon.com/images/perso/grandes/Bleach/zangetsu.jpg

[Yadomaru]

The ONLY similarity I see is that both have facial hair. And even then, the style doesn't quite match, because Zangetsu has a skinny little 'stache
Other'n that, IMO they look NOTHING alike.
Isshin's face looks pretty average, Zangetsu has a long, extremely thin, bony face and tiny little eyes. Also Epic Shades and a Pimp Coat.

[skycrapper]

Hmmm . . . I see it now. They DO have a similarity. Space Cowboy23 is trying to say that both Isshin and Zangetsu . . .

. . . are both MALE

[jeuxaijin]

^ eeh debatable, take that beard off zangetsu and weell, kinda butch but still could pass for femme.


meh, if anything isshin is the hot version of ganju.

[skycrapper]

@jeuxaijin Damn . . . if Isshin got some resemblance with Ganju and Ichigo with Kaien, then they are INDEED part of a big, crazy family LOL

[jeuxaijin]

lol, i was just fuelling the madness. but come to think of it, karin is kinda like a mini kukkaku, she's all fiesty & badass.

[Seanc]

Not really seeing the resemblance.

[CakeSpoon]

They both have sharp facial features (cheek bones & around the brow) but they don't really look alike.

[Xashe]

Has anyone noticed how Ryuken and Isshin know each other? Of course they would know each other through the hospital but Ryuken was not at all suprised at the fact that Isshin was a Soul Reaper/Shinigami.

Ryuken 'That form... Did your powers returned?' - Chapter 241, Page 10

Ryuken is not at all suprised that Isshin had powers before so in other words he knew him at least 20 years ago when he had his powers.

My theory is Isshin knows Ryuken because he was s shinigami protecting Karakura town when Ryuken was younger doing the same as a quincy. Since they were in the real world they'd met Urahara but would not be recognised to those in Soul Society. And Isshin probably isn't as dumb as ichigo to let his reiatsu leak out so the vizard could track him and know who he was.

[CakeSpoon]

Has anyone noticed how Ryuken and Isshin know each other? Of course they would know each other through the hospital but Ryuken was not at all suprised at the fact that Isshin was a Soul Reaper/Shinigami.

Ryuken 'That form... Did your powers returned?' - Chapter 241, Page 10

Ryuken is not at all suprised that Isshin had powers before so in other words he knew him at least 20 years ago when he had his powers.

My theory is Isshin knows Ryuken because he was s shinigami protecting Karakura town when Ryuken was younger doing the same as a quincy. Since they were in the real world they'd met Urahara but would not be recognised to those in Soul Society. And Isshin probably isn't as dumb as ichigo to let his reiatsu leak out so the vizard could track him and know who he was.

That's definitely possible, Isshin's relationship with Ryuuken is likely similar to Ichigo's & Ishida's, just further along. Of course there will be differences but a similar sort of vibe, so to speak. Sort of like Naruto/Sasuke & Jiraiya/Orochimaru in Naruto.

[Kariya01]

Friends/Rivals in a sense I guess.

[aastik01]

Kinda of friends i think :D

[jeuxaijin]

And Isshin probably isn't as dumb as ichigo to let his reiatsu leak out so the vizard could track him and know who he was.

dumb is a little harsh, isshin was/is a shinigami and would've had years of training.

oh and sup? another kiwi :xp:

[Aige]

Ichigo is 15-16 years old.
Isshin "regained" his powers after 20 years.
So before the birth of our antagonist, Ichigo, somewhere 4-5 years Isshin had some reason for him to "lose" his powers.

[VizardX]

Ichigo is 15-16 years old.
Isshin "regained" his powers after 20 years.
So before the birth of our antagonist, Ichigo, somewhere 4-5 years Isshin had some reason for him to "lose" his powers.

??? antagonist you mean protagonist and ya maybe marrying a human effect his powers

[clineamous]

i dont think his dad is king of soul society that be to wierd considering if he was he would be more famous and i think ichigo could almost old man yama since he has his vizard power and im glad that there finally going back to the new episodes instead of filler sht im waiting on ep 254 ichigo is supposed to fite ulqioura or however u spell it im sorry and im watching in japanese by the way some sorry if i confused any of u

[Captain_Kisuke]

I think he's just a Captain, although he did wear his haori a bit wierdly so Royal Guard might be possible. I wonder why the senior captains like Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana and Yama don't recognise the surname Kurosaki if Isshin was a Captain. Maybe he changed it when he left SS. The scene we see between Isshin and Ryuken when the kids leave for HM definitely suggests an Ichigo/Ishida type relationship. Either way, it'll be interesting to find out.

I'd also quite like to know how he left SS. It's said that you can't leave the G13 of your own free will. If he was exiled then why? I think he's probably the captain of one of the squads that lose their Captains due to the Vizard incident. Isshin lost his powers 20 years before Arrancar arc so its probably safe to say he wasn't one of the Captains before the Vizard Captains.

He could actually have been Squad 3 Captain but after Rose not before him. Ichimaru obviously didn't become captain straight away cos he was too young and was Aizen's VC at one point and became Captain at same time as Byakuya and Ginrei was still going at this point. Presumably Aizen became Squad 5 Captain straight away and Tosen might have gone straight to Squad 9 Captain but I find it unlikely cos he was quite young in the TBTP arc. That leaves Squad 7 and if Tosen became Captain after Vizard incident then Komamura probably did as well. Also there's Squad 10, whose previous Captain had died. So he could've been the Captain of Squad 3,7,9 or 10.

Sorry if that was alot :S What d'you think?

[斬月]

i think Kisuke Urahara and Ryūken Ishida might have a large conection with Isshin Kurosaki

Kisuke Uraharamight have been asigning Ryūken Ishida and Isshin Kurosaki recon missions to HM wich would explane his knowledge of the Garganta

[Kenpachi Bankai08]

I just want a canon storyline explaining all of this. Is that too much to ask for?

[Hisagi_Chan]

There's also the possibility that he was a previous Squad 11 Captain....like, the one before Zaraki. Maybe he oooooo i don't know. Faked his death and left SS to be with his wife, just a theory though.

[aastik01]

Na. It can't be true!
If he really was 11th squad captain before kenpachi, Kenpachi might have recognised the Kurosaki name and might have asked Ishigo about his father!
And the strogest possibility are for him to be captain of 10th or 3rd Squad!

[BlueSkies]

Na. It can't be true!
If he really was 11th squad captain before kenpachi, Kenpachi might have recognised the Kurosaki name and might have asked Ishigo about his father!
And the strogest possibility are for him to be captain of 10th or 3rd Squad!

Well, you could argue that Isshin could have changed his last name to Kurosaki once he joined the human world. It seems that Soul Society doesn't like it's Shinigami abandoning ship, so maybe after something or another, Isshin left the SS and changed his name, therefore Zaraki wouldn't have known anyone of the name Kurosaki until Ichigo.

But the Third and Tenth divisions are still strong possibilities... But it will be impossible to know for sure until Kubo Tite gives us further clues or hints.

[darkven]

i really wish they would hurry up and reveal it to ichigo

[skycrapper]

I see people are theorizing that Isshin was once a captain through the haori-like thing draped from his left shoulder.

I think that it's highly unlikely that he was once a captain of the Gotei 13. Here' why : Isshin acknowledges the Vizards as criminals, which means, he's being introduced to the Vizards AFTER the TBtP incident, specifically after Urahara's trial and disappearance.

TBtP incident took place 110 - 100 years ago, and still, Shinji didn't recognize Isshin's reiatsu. And now is the time after 20 years of him living without Shinigami powers, to give a suggestion that IF he's a shinigami of the Gotei 13, he used to be shinigami for 80 years at most, "quit", went to real world and got his powers suppressed by one of Urahara's gigai.

Isshin acknowledges the vizards as criminals. This suggests that Isshin is not under Central 46 who said that the Vizards were mere experiment, found in Urahara's lab. And knowing that Gotei 13, Kidoushuu and Omnitsukidou are under Central 46's command, they share the same information about the Vizards, which suggests that Isshin was not from those organizations either.

One possible organization is The Royal Special Task Force, which still has an unknown reason WHY they would call the vizards as criminals, IF Isshin was indeed from that organization.

Furthermore, I wonder WHY Urahara doesn't tell him the truth about the Vizards : Urahara knows that the Vizards are the victim of Aizen's doing, but Isshin knows them as outlaws.

[aastik01]

Maybe the truth will be revealed after the fight with Aizen is finished!

[zeocloud]

Has any1 noticed that Isshin looks like zangetsu in a way?

[hydromike2]

Could be he is actually part of a secret group of Shinigami that only Yama-Jii knows about. Could explain the different haori he has I guess. Some captain level group whose sole purpose was to find the Vizard or stop them coming back to SS. Took so long his powers eventually diminished and somehow found a way to get them back.... who knows?

It doesnt seem that the VC and Captains are able to release their powers without authorization, otherwise I can see at least one situation where they would have said fuck it and just do it. Maybe it took 20 years for him to break the seal on his own or for it to expire?

[aastik01]

@zeocloud: No way he doesn't look like zangetsu at all. I don't know wat simillarities do u see in them?

[BleachPrincess]

That's a good question i just noticed all of that now.I have read all of the bleach manga and so far i would say that Isshin Kurosaki quit being aa soul reaper to go marry Masaki and have Ichigo.That might be why Ichigo had that ability to achieve bankai and become a soul reaper,he might inherit Isshin's powers.

[Skatopia]

Hmm, maybe Masaki was actually a quincy which would explain why Isshin & Ryuken know each other so well.

So, perhaps Isshin was kicked out of the Soul society for being involved with the enemy.

That way he would have had his Soul reaper powers taken away from him.

I'm not really sure.

It's really getting on my nerves not knowing whats going on.

By the way it could be possible that Ryuken and Masaki are of close relations.

Like: Brother,Sister,Cousins etc..

That could also be another reason why Ryuken & Isshin knew each other so well.

Also, Masaki could have also been a Soul Reaper.

Which would explain why the Grand fisher said that ichigo was of pure blood.