Naruto 456 Discussion

[Savage]

It's a bit early for spoilers so i think the ones that popped up are fake, but discuss nevertheless..

[Lnrd]

Looks like this chapter is going to jump around quite a bit which might be okay.

[yaWgnorW]

I agree. Even if the spoilers are fake I think the next 2 or 3 chapters will jump around as the latest few have. At least jump around until the official meeting, when everything will be focused on one scene again.

[CeroHero86]

ya i think they will jump around till the meeting then we might find out about danzou's sharringan

[camarofan2008]

They say it is confirmed? I can possible believe the early bit but not too sure. With how last weeks chapter ended you figure you get more details now.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Agreed, but the true spoilers have been coming out on Tuesdays lately. The one that came out out on the 14th (I'm in the State of California, so it's 1:12 AM over here right now--the 15th already) might actually be true.

And, yeah, I'm also sure the chapters will be skipping around a lot until we get to the Summit.

I'll wait until the chapter comes out to give my rating on it, though, obviously.

[xPyrox]

Well considering its shown the spoiler page showing Sasuke. and the spoilers dont mention him at all. I'm figuring they're either incomplete, or fake..

[Yadomaru]

Chapter's out, and I give it an 8.
More Mizukage LOLz, More Naruto and Konohamaru implied LOLz, Kakashi awesomeness, and SAMURAI!!! Fuck yeah!

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

chapter is out...sasuke is briefly in it...good chapter tho....next week should be interesting

[Lnrd]

Great Chapter. 9/10 Also Danzou isn't Madara, this chapter just cemented it. Notice the coloring of Danzou's right eye, it is entirely black except the sharingan. Every other regular sharingan has had white on the outside of the pupils, not black. And I seriously doubt Kishi forgot how he draws his sharingans.

EDIT: And how many of you guys wanna bet that Madara was the 4th Mizukage, leader of the bloodmist village.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

that seems logical

[Yadomaru]

It does, doesn't it?
I, for one, agree totally

[lurch]

oh great narutos eye is covered. Are they going to throw another surprise sharingan at us

[Nikato]

The chapter was...okay to me. It jumped around a lot so it was kind of hard to follow.

I do agree that the whole Samurai thing was cool. I wonder how strong they are.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

oh great narutos eye is covered. Are they going to throw another surprise sharingan at us

rofl

The chapter was...okay to me. It jumped around a lot so it was kind of hard to follow. Is it just me or is Naruto saying that Konohomaru used the Rasangen? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/09/. Did he? I feel so stupid for not actually remembering this.

I do agree that the whole Samurai thing was cool. I wonder how strong they are.

Yea he used it on one of Pein's bodies...and i agree the Samurai thing could be cool....

[lurch]

Did he? I feel so stupid for not actually remembering this.
yes he did against one of the bodies of pein

and I just finished the chapter

I liked them making use of sexy no jutsu for a distraction. I was worried they might not catch them two guards. Good old Kakashi rocks. His anbu past comes in handy.

[Nikato]

Yeah I totally forget about his little rasangen.

Lol...naruto with a sharingan, now that would be something.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

Yeah I totally forget about his little rasangen.

Lol...naruto with a sharingan, now that would be something.

Sasuke would kill himself if this happened lol

[lurch]

I was thinking about those samurai they had been label as upper class fighters that no one wanted to fight. I doubt they pose much of a threat to sasuke's crew besides a hindrance ...and naruto needs to get by that mess too.

I wonder if they will clash before hand. This is also an opportunity for naruto to gain acceptance with the kages over danzo

Here is one thing to pay attention to I say this quick WHO WILL THE Mizukage get hot for in this next chapter. there should be a poll on it really because it is primed to happen.
vulgar comment ftw Bitch needs some cock fast

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

I was thinking about those samurai they had been label as upper class fighters that no one wanted to fight. I doubt they pose much of a threat to sasuke's crew besides a hindrance ...and naruto needs to get by that mess too.

I wonder if they will clash before hand. This is also an opportunity for naruto to gain acceptance with the kages over danzo

Here is one thing to pay attention to I say this quick WHO WILL THE Mizukage get hot for in this next chapter. there should be a poll on it really because it is primed to happen.
vulgar comment ftw Bitch needs some cock fast

good point...i agree....not sure how much of a threat these guys will be to Sasuke's and Naruto's teams...it'll be interesting to see where those to clash...

[Mjaut]

Samurais...

Probably Royal Guards rip-offs.

[lurch]

I can see skirr starting an argument about samurai vs ninja (http://forums.bleachexile.com/showthread.php?t=33838&highlight=samurai+ninja) in here

[AzureFeatherfly]

Samurais...

Probably Royal Guards rip-offs.

You want to tell me how exactly Samurais are rip-offs? Absolutely ridiculous.

The chapter was not bad. Danzou is not a pushover, which is nice. We certainly do not want the Hokage that cannot take care of what happens Shinobis everyday.

I do not think those Samurais are gonna be weaklings either. I certainly was surprised to see the rivals of ninjas at a place like this and I really want to see what they can do.

We have to remember that these two have not in battle because of the Iron's Country's neutrality, so I expect them to be more than just fodder material.

[Esm_chick]

I had a question in the new Naruto Magna 456 it shows Danzo using his sharingan,now some people said he isnt Madara but it makes since that he is cuz , Itachi when back to the village after the 3rd died to tell him bassically dont mess with sasuke(by him showing up he said this) and also the hair matches and the same sharingan eye. but my question is was he useing the M.S. sharingan? it kinda looked like it,but maybe not. and also with people saying about naruto having his eye patched up,saying it would be crazy for him to have a sharingan,lol and one said sasuke would kill him self.(lol hella funny) i wonder what power he gave him.but this is what the manga says

Itachi : " If Sasuke attacked Konoha , what would you do ? "
Naruto : " I would protect Konoha and find away to save Sasuke "
Itachi : *smile* *bird flys* *gets inside Naruto*
Itachi : "I will give you some of my power , I hope the time when you need to use it , never comes "

does any ope know or have an idea.please answer both questions.

[camarofan2008]

Samurais of a neutral nation hmm.............. Switzerland anyone

[Perrin]

I just started reading Naruto a few days ago; managed to get caught up so I'm happy. Really good manga I think.

I gave this chapter an 8.

Now, I hope not to get flamed for suggesting this when it comes to Madara, Danzou, and one sharingan users and so forth... but, what about Obito? Maybe he survived the death that Kakashi remembers and came back as Danzou?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/07/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/03/

The side he is injured on appears to be the same side that Danzou is injured on and maybe the incredibly near death experience changed him. Also, Madara has some plans for Sasuke it seems to me. Danzou tried to kill Sasuke with Sai, though at the time he was a seeming minion of Orochimaru, so take of it what you will. Danzou also seems to always have the eye that Obito had given to Kakashi always closed. I also see a resemblance in their hair styles. Also, despite coming across as untalented, Obito was still an Uchiha. He probably had a good deal of untapped potential within.

Sorry if this has been discussed in past threads and has gaping holes I haven't noticed. This is basically my first time reading the Naruto threads here and this is just something I've been thinking since Danzou's sharingan was revealed.

Another, and perhaps even more far-fetched possibility, is that Danzou was the one assigned to destroy Obito's body completely after his death. Maybe Danzou managed to salvage his sharingan and he isn't an Uchiha at all. I'd think the sharingan would be an ability Konoha would not want to share with other villages.

[Lnrd]

@Perrin- The age difference between Kakashi and Danzou is too great for Obito to be Danzou.

EDIT: It appears that it is a "black ring" around Danzou's right eye. And since we've seen damn near the whole right half of Madara's face, and no black ring was present it's safe to finally say Danzou isn't Madara.

[Perrin]

@Perrin- The age difference between Kakashi and Danzou is too great for Obito to be Danzou.

I suppose you're right, though its possible the injuries of Obito made him appear prematurely aged. Of course, then there'd have to be a complex and rather unlikely conspiracy by some people to hide his identity and make people think he's been in Konoha longer than he has. The advisers of the Hokage could try to implement such a thing but I tend to not see it working. Particularly with Kakashi possibly noticing someone new with wounds that could be very similar to his friend's.

The entire thing is just much more far-fetched than I'd originally thought. It was just my initial idea.

[Lnrd]

^Also take into account it was stated in the manga that Danzou competed with Sarutobi for the 3rd Hokage position. As we saw in earlier chapters, the 3rd was appointed Hokage at a very young age. (During the 2nd Ninja War I think?) Meaning there's no way possible for Obito to be Danzou.

[Perrin]

^

Definitely true there, I had forgotten that. That tells me all I need to know. Also agree on Madara. Another Sharingan user, interesting. Well, at least there aren't a huge amount of them around.

EDIT: Considering how Danzou keeps the Sharingan covered up like Kakashi leads me to believe he obtained it in a similar fashion and can't turn it off.

[He's a Mentalist]

Samurai is better in combat than a Ninja. Take 200 Samurai's vs. 200 Ninja's and the samurai would end up winning as they have an arsenal of skill behind their weaponry. No wonder the Ninja villages do not touch them, because they know what would happen. Anyway, the chapter gets a 9/10 from me. Danzou is no slouch and is quite good in combat. He took those ninjas out before they hit the ground.

[TW501]

I'd say that this was a pretty good chapter. It had a good amount of plot progression and went along quite nicely. The addition of samurai was a nice touch, though it should be noted that the ninja in the world of Naruto act more like Samurai than they do actual ninjas. Overall, I'd rate this chapter 10/10.

[Nikato]

good point...i agree....not sure how much of a threat these guys will be to Sasuke's and Naruto's teams...it'll be interesting to see where those to clash...

I think they will be a big threat.

I mean seriously, ninja's in real life are nothing like they are in this damn manga. They gave them magical powers and the ability to move quickly. Basically they took the high points of ninjitsu and made it into fantasy.

I bet those damn Samurai are capable of blocking bullets with their swords while reading a scroll, slicing through hordes of enemies on a bright sunny day and quick as hell. HELL HERES AN IDEA. Take Hittokiri Battousai (Kenshin, but samurai x mode), piss him off, give him a super sharp weapon, tell him that the enemy insulted his master, then stick that image into the proud standing figures of each of those Samurai.

I honestly think that Kenshin in battousai mode could kill Sasuke, he'd be too damn fast and deadly. Thats my opinion though.


Oh, just to add, I bet those Samurai are similar to Bleach Shinigami in Shikai mode, meaning they probably have swords capable of blasting waves of energy n shit.

[Dumbledore]

Samurai better have more than a few sword tricks. DIM.

[Ether101]

oh great narutos eye is covered. Are they going to throw another surprise sharingan at us

Surprise? Didn't Itachi give Naruto part of his power? I remember a flash back about shoving his some of his crows down his mouth.

[Apple84]

hahahah ohhhhhhhh pooorrrrrrr Saiiiiiii!!! lol!
and darmnnn Danzo!! whowww look at him fighting! some kinda insanely fighter cripple he is isn't it uh?!lol! wooshh wooosh! those shinobies stand no chance at all and he goes crazy killing off one of them at the neck! and what are those thing sticking out of one of them? are they some sticks?

Aside from that, Gaaraaaaaaaaaaaa is in this chpt!^^ lol and everyone's making their move pretty quick, Yamato, Kakashi, and Naruto part was hilarious heeeheeeeh, especially Yamato..hahah just something about the look on his face lol

[Lnrd]

Surprise? Didn't Itachi give Naruto part of his power? I remember a flash back about shoving his some of his crows down his mouth.

True

I'm calling it now. Naruto is going to have EMS by the end of the series.

[djray]

well as to danzous strength he is the kage the suppose most powerful ninja in the village...i wanted to know what kinda of element he used or whatever it was...i wonder if the samurais ability will resemble bleach(using ninjutsu through their swords or maybe their swords will be like asumas) bc if not i dont see the difference from a samurai and say kamui or kirabi or kisame and his samehada

[btill9000]

Woot Kishi never fails to thrash my brain. I did not expect that Naruto would end up becoming a samurai, but that is clearly where this is headed at. That will be his next line of training. It's a longggggg shot, but this might be what they do in order to bring Sakura back on the scene. It would be totally confusing, but they could turn her into a Samurai.

[AzureFeatherfly]

and what are those thing sticking out of one of them? are they some sticks?

Those sticks were originally meant to attack Danzou. Danzou used the body to block the enemy swords and follow up with Sharingan to discover the enemy position as well as their numbers.


well as to danzous strength he is the kage the suppose most powerful ninja in the village...i wanted to know what kinda of element he used or whatever it was...i wonder if the samurais ability will resemble bleach(using ninjutsu through their swords or maybe their swords will be like asumas) bc if not i dont see the difference from a samurai and say kamui or kirabi or kisame and his samehada

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

The first scan shows Danzou doing seals and spitting something out from his mouth. Most would assume it to be fire, however it is not because we see the Shinobis being thrashed violently and when the battle ends all but one of them has weapons sticking out of him.

The only element I can think of with that thrashing ability is Wind.

As for the Samurai, Ninjutsus are strictly Ninja hence Nin-jutsus.

If we compare Samurai and Ninja in reality, they were opposites. Samurai had the best weapons, armor, formal training, and a huge sense of pride. Ninjas had farmer weapons or those made by themselves, light armor fitted for hit-and-run, stealth tactics, and did whatever they had to(mostly their targets were the rich and powerful like the Damiyos protected by Samurais).

Two different mentalities, Samurais dueled one on one as a way of honor and fairness. However we know there is no fairness in life and death.

Ninjas used anything and everything(ambush, darkness, stealth, numbers, and weapons the Samurai would consider as cowardice).

As for techniques, you have to look at the weapons. The most prominent being the Katana. Katana is one-edged sword, so mostly dealt with swinging techniques and sometimes stabbing as a finisher(Kendo or Kenjutsu). Their mid-range weapon is a Yari(spear) or Naginata(polearm blade). Their long-range weapon is the Yumi(bow) and with it Kyujutsu. They also have the Kanabo that is a 40-pound club, which I think everyone knows what it does.

As for the Naruto manga, I think Samurai will respond with raw power, speed, techniques. Looking at them fully armored makes it look like they are going to be "tanks", which will not be easily penetrated.

Comparing the fact that ninjas walk the Naruto world in huge numbers, these Samurais could be a force to be reckoned due to the single fact that they can co-exist with ninjas.

[He's a Mentalist]

True

I'm calling it now. Naruto is going to have EMS by the end of the series.

What would be funny is, if Naruto did develop a sharingan due to Itachi inserting some of the bloodline into him.

[arishkegal]

This chapter gets a 7/10 from me, the only thing that makes this chapter is the Naruto/Konohamaru exchange and the Samurais. I'm waiting to see what the Samurais can do, Sasuke better chill off the "i'm so awesome" drug for a bit and just observe, because Danzou is not a slouch.

LOL @ Lnrd- If Naruto has a sharingan, Sasuke would shit his pants then kill himself. In that case, I hope he does, LOL.

[Dumbledore]

So if we took Rock Lee, and gave him top armor and weapons with sufficient training; I think we could call him a samurai.

Which makes me wonder if that gate open or w/e it is will be limited to ninjas, or will samurais also be able to do it.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

@Azure: Pretty good analysis there on ninjas and samurai. I completely agree with you on that.

About Naruto having his eyes covered, are all of you people forgetting now, last chapter, he was all wounded and stuff? What if he still hasn't been completely healed? Just look at his face closely--does it not look like it's still injured? He most likely does not have a Sharingan. But, yeah, if he does, Sasuke probably will just kill himself. Lol.

Yeah, it's true that Itachi gave Naruto some power, but my take on it is that he just put some of his chakra into him (like how Minato did--and notice that it's gone now and not coming back, so it's just some a temporary reserve of chakra that will activate at a certain time and then fade away afterwords) that will activate when Naruto faces a Sharingan (either that or it's specially made to only activate in front of Sasuke's Sharingan alone), or it's just something to help Naruto momentarily control the Nine-Tailed Fox, again only able to activate against a Sharingan, so it would be against Madara and/or Sasuke, as they both have a Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan in Madara's case. Danzou probably won't even try to attack Naruto, and especially not with a Sharingan if he actually does attack him at all, so I'm not counting him in that.

I do like the addition of samurai into the story, and can't wait to see what happens with that, and what they can actually do.

And I find it hilarious how the Mizukage always thinks--mistakenly--about marriage whenever she hears anything about men or arrangements, like in this chapter, she hears the word arrangements and thinks Ao's talking about an engagement for a wedding. Lol.

I give the chapter a 10/10, by the way.

Edit: And I do also agree with all arguments against Danzou, Obito, and Madara being the same person that have and will take place in here.

[djray]

i know obviously that ninjutsu is for ninjas but how could a samurai fight against ninjutsu w simply a sword i mean rock lee is able to i suppose but i couldnt imagine it being efficient

[Dumbledore]

Well, If they could channel chakra through their weapons, but I don't know since we haven't seen them. They could do the "Gate Open"(Can't remember name), and they will undoubtedly have enhance physical abilities.

[AzureFeatherfly]

i know obviously that ninjutsu is for ninjas but how could a samurai fight against ninjutsu w simply a sword i mean rock lee is able to i suppose but i couldnt imagine it being efficient

Obviously Kishimoto is going to morph the Samurai Arts as he did to the Shinobi Arts. Samurai have their own set of skills and techniques and knowing Kishimoto's interest in myths and legends he certainly would paint the Samurai as a bunch of Shinobi ripoffs with a different look.

[Mjaut]

I don't believe he was a Samurai, but Madara's uniform from past is very similar to theirs.
Only difference is that he wasn't wearing the helmet.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/thumb/e/eb/Madara_Uchiha.jpg/294px-Madara_Uchiha.jpg

Btw, look at his eyes.
They're same as Danzo's.

[Dumbledore]

^ Maybe he killed a Samurai for it just cause he liked it lol. Anyways I love the catch on the eys, but I'm afraid it's not enough to convince the non believers out there. I swear my name is Dumbledore, but I feel like Luna Lovegood on these forums.

[Zero-sama]

Everyone is going in the same direction to the same location. So we might se a rematch of Naruto vs Sasuke, BTW Naruto pawning real hard sasuke in some nasty ways, I hope so. Also more secrets will be reveal.

BTW this chapter also gets a 7 like Arishkegal stated, because of the Naruto/Konohamaru rasengan stuff, and the appearance of those Samurais.

[lurch]

@ Mjaut- Interesting point about the outfit.


@Azure: Pretty good analysis there on ninjas and samurai. I completely agree with you on that.

About Naruto having his eyes covered, are all of you people forgetting now, last chapter, he was all wounded and stuff? What if he still hasn't been completely healed? Just look at his face closely--does it not look like it's still injured? He most likely does not have a Sharingan. But, yeah, if he does, Sasuke probably will just kill himself. Lol.

Yeah, it's true that Itachi gave Naruto some power, but my take on it is that he just put some of his chakra into him (like how Minato did--and notice that it's gone now and not coming back, so it's just some a temporary reserve of chakra that will activate at a certain time and then fade away afterwords) that will activate when Naruto faces a Sharingan (either that or it's specially made to only activate in front of Sasuke's Sharingan alone), or it's just something to help Naruto momentarily control the Nine-Tailed Fox, again only able to activate against a Sharingan, so it would be against Madara and/or Sasuke, as they both have a Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan in Madara's case. Danzou probably won't even try to attack Naruto, and especially not with a Sharingan if he actually does attack him at all, so I'm not counting him in that.

I do like the addition of samurai into the story, and can't wait to see what happens with that, and what they can actually do.

And I find it hilarious how the Mizukage always thinks--mistakenly--about marriage whenever she hears anything about men or arrangements, like in this chapter, she hears the word arrangements and thinks Ao's talking about an engagement for a wedding. Lol.

I give the chapter a 10/10, by the way.

Edit: And I do also agree with all arguments against Danzou, Obito, and Madara being the same person that have and will take place in here.

I was the one who started that joke about the Sharingan.

Also the reason I see Itachi giving him some of his power is for two possible reasons.
1. To defend against the black flame. Naruto may not currently have a way.
2. Gensgetsu defense. Itachi caught naruto. He wants naruto to help his Little bro because of that faith and knowing he could not help him himself he set that up.

[Ether101]

True

I'm calling it now. Naruto is going to have EMS by the end of the series.

I'll up that and say it will be reviled that his mother has same eyes as Pain and the 4th was decedent of the Hyugas.:nod:

[djray]

ummmm i think we might see another gaara/sasuke and this will have an interesting effect on narutos will to rescue sasuke

[btill9000]

New Theory: Why is Naruto so horrible at Ninjutsu? Easy, because his ancester's were samurai. His body and power are attuned to using power in the samurai way(Whatever that will be, presumably through a weapon), rather than the ninja way. This is all because his mothers side of the family are samurai.

[Ether101]

New Theory: Why is Naruto so horrible at Ninjutsu? Easy, because his ancester's were samurai. His body and power are attuned to using power in the samurai way(Whatever that will be, presumably through a weapon), rather than the ninja way. This is all because his mothers side of the family are samurai.

Isn't because he has the Fox sealed inside of him? And yeah, he probably does have some kind of connection to the samurai that or he's a pirate.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Thanks, Ether. I agree with you on Kyuubi part. But I disagree about the other part of your post--something about a connection to samurai or being a pirate? Yeah, either you're being sarcastic (which is what I'm leaning more on) or you're off your rocker for some reason.

New Theory: Why is Naruto so horrible at Ninjutsu? Easy, because his ancester's were samurai. His body and power are attuned to using power in the samurai way(Whatever that will be, presumably through a weapon), rather than the ninja way. This is all because his mothers side of the family are samurai.

Naruto doesn't suck that much, and the amount that he does suck can be improved on. But if you do want to really believe that theory, then on the same vein, why don't you also say that Jiraiya's ancestry was Samurai-oriented, since he, too, started out being pretty bad at Ninjutsu but then improved afterwords? He and Naruto are strikingly similar in many ways, after all.

Also, as we should all know by know, Kushina was a ninja, which means that her side of Naruto's lineage were also all ninjas. In Jiriaiya's and Tsunade's conversation from before Jiraiya left for the Rain Village to fight Pain, it was stated that Kushina was a konoichi from the former Whirlpool Country. To those of you who don't know what a konoichi is: a konoichi is a female shinobi. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone on Kushina's side of the family was a ninja. Minato was a Hokage, so his side of the family obviously weren't samurai either.

I was the one who started that joke about the Sharingan.

Also the reason I see Itachi giving him some of his power is for two possible reasons.
1. To defend against the black flame. Naruto may not currently have a way.
2. Gensgetsu defense. Itachi caught naruto. He wants naruto to help his Little bro because of that faith and knowing he could not help him himself he set that up.

Didn't I also say the same points you did here, pretty much? So tell me, are you disagreeing with me or trying to add more to what I said?

Well, If they could channel chakra through their weapons, but I don't know since we haven't seen them. They could do the "Gate Open"(Can't remember name), and they will undoubtedly have enhance physical abilities.

Yeah, I agree, they might be able to do that. By the way, when you say "Gate Open," I think you're referring the Chakra Gates, yes? Gai taught Lee to open the first five, which he uses to enter the Hidden Lotus. And when you open all eight Gates, you enter what's called the State of the Eight Celestial Gates, which will give you strength equivalent to what's needed for being Hokage, but in exchange, you'll die afterwords because the strain on the muscles would be too much. [I know everyone already knows these things. If so, just take it as a refresher.] And for that reason, obviously, the samurai won't open their Chakra Gates that much, if they can even do that.

[Dumbledore]

^ Yeah thanks, I'm really bad at remembering names of techniques, and yeah I was just speculating on what Samurai could do that would put them on par with ninjas.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Those samurai probably already have some tricks of their own, like Azure pointed out. And since samurai were said to have a sort of connection with their swords in those legends and stories, something tells me it's going to something similar to a Zanpakutou in Bleach. The Bleach and Naruto manga series are sort of like rivals, and Bleach came after Naruto; there also some things in Bleach that are copied from Naruto, like the part where Team Gai fought clones of themselves. In Bleach, I and some others, at one time, were thinking that in Ichigo's Bankai training, when he's fighting those multiple clones of Zangetsu, that Kubo had ripped off of Kishimoto's idea of Team Gai fighting clones of themselves. So, yeah, maybe Kishimoto finally got fed up and is going to teach Kubo a lesson by ripping off one of his ideas. Namely, the Zanpakutou.

[Dumbledore]

Well I don't see it as much of a rip off considering everyone derives their stories or elements from other sources of material, but I understand what your saying. I just don't think that Kubo or kishi should be mad at each other if they are, and fans shouldn't get mad either. It would be a different situation if Naruto introduced shinigami, or bleach introduced the nine demons being inside people, lol.

I like the idea that Samurai will have that connection with their weapon in some way shape or form. Its something different from what Ninjas can do, which would be nice rather than renaming abilities that ninjas use and giving them to Samurai.

[Mjaut]

They'll probably use techniques which doesn't require hand-seals.

Ninjas - hand-seals
Samurais - something else

And I don't think that weapons will play big role, IMO, they are just there (weapons, especially swords), just because they're Samurais.

It's easier to imagine Ninja without sword, than Samurai without it.

[btill9000]

Naruto doesn't suck that much, and the amount that he does suck can be improved on. But if you do want to really believe that theory, then on the same vein, why don't you also say that Jiraiya's ancestry was Samurai-oriented, since he, too, started out being pretty bad at Ninjutsu but then improved afterwords? He and Naruto are strikingly similar in many ways, after all.


Yes, Naruto does suck at doing conventional Ninjutsu. The only hand sign jutsu he can do effectively is clones. His best move is a move that involves no hand signs, which is how we presume Samurai techniques will be. It makes you wonder where the 4th got the idea for the technique from? Samurai's maybe? Finally, Naruto still doesn't have a weapon. Since Sasuke has taken to the sword it's only natural that Naruto will do the same thing so that they can fight equally. Regardless if his lineage has any samurai in it at all, which I think it does, I am almost sure that his next set of training will be samurai training. We also, know surprisingly little about his mother or her family. It's always been my theory that she will be the important one, especially since the 4th was unveiled before her.

[Ether101]

Thanks, Ether. I agree with you on Kyuubi part. But I disagree about the other part of your post--something about a connection to samurai or being a pirate? Yeah, either you're being sarcastic (which is what I'm leaning more on) or you're off your rocker for some reason.

I was making a Underworld esqu joke that pirates and ninja are enemies even on the cellular level.

Anyways, I getting the felling that the samurai have the power physically manifest energy and power in away that's alive just like the tail beast. I think that they are also the origin of the 9.

[djray]

i definitely think they will have some sort of zanpakuto-esque ability i mean the 6 path sage only taught his religion that became ninja techniques its possible this country could have figured how to manifest chakra in another way...or they could be like lin yao from FMA and just be extremely talented with no powers like strength and speed...

o and speaking on bleach and naruto stealing from each other jugo turned into a kid like neliel

[AzureFeatherfly]

Yes, Naruto does suck at doing conventional Ninjutsu. The only hand sign jutsu he can do effectively is clones. His best move is a move that involves no hand signs, which is how we presume Samurai techniques will be. It makes you wonder where the 4th got the idea for the technique from? Samurai's maybe? Finally, Naruto still doesn't have a weapon. Since Sasuke has taken to the sword it's only natural that Naruto will do the same thing so that they can fight equally. Regardless if his lineage has any samurai in it at all, which I think it does, I am almost sure that his next set of training will be samurai training. We also, know surprisingly little about his mother or her family. It's always been my theory that she will be the important one, especially since the 4th was unveiled before her.

Why does Naruto even need a special weapon? Naruto's fighting style is not dependent on anyone, it is suppose to play to his strengths not for him to be matched with someone else. Sasuke's possession of a special weapon does not mean in any way that Naruto needs one. Naruto is the way he is because he is different, and it would not be his style to copy others.

Samurai Training means training under a completely different culture. Samurai and Ninjas are opposites, this is literally impossible. Samurai and Ninja are ways of life, this is not just about fighting. They have different codes, morals, rules, and trains of thought that you cannot mesh together. You are just wanting to pump Naruto with more power, however unless he can throw away his current beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes of a Shinobi, we can forget about the Samurai part.

Naruto already has his Nindo ("Way of the Ninja"), which makes this a possibility of 0 because the Samurai have what is called the Bushido ("Way of the Warrior").

[Ether101]

He could always combined them.

[AzureFeatherfly]

He could always combined them.

Like I said, this is not just about fighting. There are countless ways to combine different combat styles. However you cannot combine thought processes and ideologies that are polar opposite. The defining concepts of a Ninja and a Samurai are worlds apart.

You must also remember that this manga is a manga based around ninjas.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Azure is right. And let me just add that while ninjas use sneaking and deception, samurai fight with honor and respect. Those two things are already polar opposites.

[Zero-sama]

Completely agree with Azure and Banka-ichigo. It's like mixing water with oil.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Well, actually, I'd rather say it's like fire and water, light and dark, yin and yang, land and sky. Those things can't mix. There has to be a balance between light and darkness, but I wouldn't call that mixing.

[Zero-sama]

Water and oil is an old saying, but u get the point.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Water and fire is, too. And the land/earth and sky one is an old saying in my language (Urdu, the native language of Pakistan).

[Dumbledore]

I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto received training from some rogue and old samurai seeing as how Naruto accomplishes the impossible or wants to, but I don't think it would happen until Naruto "feels weak and powerless" again. Personally I think kishi is mainly going to further develop Naruto's character through the juxtaposition of Samurai and Ninjas, or that's what I would like to see anyways.(which in turn could improve his mentality which could result in a complementary effect if this improvement increased his fighting capabilities. )

[x-Battousai-x]

Naruto kind of fights like a Samurai. He might call it Nindo, but he does fight with honor and respect. The only thing I can think of that could go against it is that he outwits his opponents.

Just because they are two different ideas doesn't mean that he can't borrow techniques. Disregard the techniques for a second, how hard is it to borrow concepts from one ideology and combine them into another? Essentially they are both belief systems. You can understand it better if you look at two religions. A person might not believe in all of the aspects of one religion or the other, but combined they have a whole new entity.

Once again, just because they are different ideologies doesn't mean that he can't borrow a technique or two and make it his own. If he see's something that can benefit him, he doesn't have to believe in that ideology to pull off a new move.

If he see's a Samurai do technique X, Naruto just might incorporate the principles/ideas of tech X into his own fighting arsenal.

The possibility is very high.

[Mjaut]

Sai will most likely die, so that Sasuke can go back in team 7.
I believe that's how it'll gonna happen.

Or maybe new member will be Samurai.


Or maybe we expect too much from them.

[btill9000]

Why does Naruto even need a special weapon? Naruto's fighting style is not dependent on anyone, it is suppose to play to his strengths not for him to be matched with someone else. Sasuke's possession of a special weapon does not mean in any way that Naruto needs one. Naruto is the way he is because he is different, and it would not be his style to copy others.

Samurai Training means training under a completely different culture. Samurai and Ninjas are opposites, this is literally impossible. Samurai and Ninja are ways of life, this is not just about fighting. They have different codes, morals, rules, and trains of thought that you cannot mesh together. You are just wanting to pump Naruto with more power, however unless he can throw away his current beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes of a Shinobi, we can forget about the Samurai part.

Naruto already has his Nindo ("Way of the Ninja"), which makes this a possibility of 0 because the Samurai have what is called the Bushido ("Way of the Warrior").

Naruto needs a new weapon because the Kunei thing is getting old, and it would be cooler to see weapon vs weapon, rather than weapon vs hand. I always thought they'd give him a weapon to use his wind element with(Like Asuma.) My whole idea is based on Naruto relying entirely on a technique that has absolutely no similarities to other ninjutsu techniques. I also see this is another step toward Naruto gaining more power, and losing reliance on the fox.

x-Battousai-x, has is perfectly. Naruto doesn't have to become a full fledged samurai to see one of them fight, and then have a sudden revelation about how to use what he's seen to extend his own powers. In other words, he's a natural at using jutsu with no handsign, therefore there is probably a lot he can gain from being around other people that fight like that naturally. Although, I do still see the possibility of him finding some family friend, or random person, to show him more about how samurai's fight.

As far as the way of the ninja goes, according to Jiraiya the way of the ninja is the issue. Tsunade has made negative comments about the ninja way as well.

[djray]

i think instead of learning some bullshit from some near extinct samurais he needs to go w killer bee and learn to control the kyuubi similar to ichigo and his training w the vizards

[AzureFeatherfly]

Naruto kind of fights like a Samurai. He might call it Nindo, but he does fight with honor and respect. The only thing I can think of that could go against it is that he outwits his opponents.

Samurai do not use trickery, traps, advantage of numbers, ambush, sneak attacks, and deception. The only thing he has in common with a Samurai is that he likes face-to-face confrontations.

Just because they are two different ideas doesn't mean that he can't borrow techniques. Disregard the techniques for a second, how hard is it to borrow concepts from one ideology and combine them into another? Essentially they are both belief systems. You can understand it better if you look at two religions. A person might not believe in all of the aspects of one religion or the other, but combined they have a whole new entity.



Ideologies:

Samurai and Ninja are polar opposites.

Samurai prefer the day vs Ninja prefer the night
Samurai prefer heavy armor vs Ninja prefer camouflage
Samurai prefer open combat vs Ninja prefer assassination

These are just a few examples. Dictatorship and Democracy do not go together.

Burrowing Techniques:

I will be blunt and tell you that this would be considered a major offense back in the Samurai days. To be honest, this is major offense in World of Martial Arts before there were public schools.

There were one of two conditions for teaching:

1. From clan member to clan member with the approval of the clan headmaster, the clan members would also recognized each other as master and student

or

2. A formally recognized master to a formally admitted student

The master and apprentice is how combat styles have been passed to today.

Once again, just because they are different ideologies doesn't mean that he can't borrow a technique or two and make it his own. If he see's something that can benefit him, he doesn't have to believe in that ideology to pull off a new move.

The student either learn the whole package or he/she does not, it's that simple and there are no in-betweens.

This is not about learning techniques, or becoming stronger. This is about living a way of life and the student cannot take away a part of it for himself/herself, it is considered massive disrespect and offensive if he/she does.

The training, combat styles, and techniques are ways to discipline student to adopt the way of life, obey the rules, and follow the codes.

Mindset:

Correct: I want to learn this because this is the "Way" I chose.

Incorrect: I want to learn this because I have a use for it, fighting, revenge......

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Naruto needs a new weapon because the Kunei thing is getting old, and it would be cooler to see weapon vs weapon, rather than weapon vs hand. I always thought they'd give him a weapon to use his wind element with(Like Asuma.) My whole idea is based on Naruto relying entirely on a technique that has absolutely no similarities to other ninjutsu techniques. I also see this is another step toward Naruto gaining more power, and losing reliance on the fox.

x-Battousai-x, has is perfectly. Naruto doesn't have to become a full fledged samurai to see one of them fight, and then have a sudden revelation about how to use what he's seen to extend his own powers. In other words, he's a natural at using jutsu with no handsign, therefore there is probably a lot he can gain from being around other people that fight like that naturally. Although, I do still see the possibility of him finding some family friend, or random person, to show him more about how samurai's fight.

As far as the way of the ninja goes, according to Jiraiya the way of the ninja is the issue. Tsunade has made negative comments about the ninja way as well.

. . . Aren't we forgetting something? Why are you acting like there's no such thing as a Kuchiyose no Jutsu? The Kuchiyose no Jutsu has hand-signs, and Naruto has it down perfectly. The way he is now, he'll be able to use it to summon Gamabunta or Gamakichi whenever he wants to. And Fukusaku also said that to be eligible for Sage Training, you have to have signed a contract in blood with the Toads. Naruto is already a Toad Sage, as well.

I do, however, get what you're saying about him needing a weapon to go with his Wind Element. I agree with you on that. But I really don't think he has deceased family members who were Samurai. I think all of the people in his entire bloodline, his whole family, have been ninjas. Both Kushina's and Minato's sides of the family.

Tsunade hasn't made negative comments about his Nindo. Show me a page where she did. I only remember her saying that he really shouldn't go back on his word, since "a man doesn't go back on his word"<---Tsunade's own words. Naruto's Nindo is that he never goes back on his word; Jiraiya's Nindo was the same as Naruto's, and Minato liked that. He wanted Naruto be like Jiraiya, as well as the character in Jiraiya's book.

Edit: Azure beat me to it.

@Azure: Agreed completely.

Also, to reiterate the very first point in Azure's post, let me just point you people to how Naruto uses the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Look at how he used it on Neji in the Chuunin Exams, and then at how he used to on Kakuzu. He almost always also uses it to try to overwhelm his opponents with numbers.

[Dumbledore]

You can mix democracy and dictatorship, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think Naruto could take some aspects of bushido and combine it with his Nindo. Seeing as how he already shows some signs of it.

[btill9000]

. . . Aren't we forgetting something? Why are you acting like there's no such thing as a Kuchiyose no Jutsu? The Kuchiyose no Jutsu has hand-signs, and Naruto has it down perfectly. The way he is now, he'll be able to use it to summon Gamabunta or Gamakichi whenever he wants to. And Fukusaku also said that to be eligible for Sage Training, you have to have signed a contract in blood with the Toads. Naruto is already a Toad Sage, as well.

No one ever said anything is impossible. Practice makes perfect. My only point is that he's shown the most promise with a jutsu that requires no hand-signs. A jutsu that directly resembles what most of us expect to see from the Samurai. The only jutsu he's mastered that require hand-signs are the ones that appear to more dependant on chakra capacity than skill.


I do, however, get what you're saying about him needing a weapon to go with his Wind Element. I agree with you on that. But I really don't think he has deceased family members who were Samurai. I think all of the people in his entire bloodline, his whole family, have been ninjas. Both Kushina's and Minato's sides of the family.

The family member part would just be a preference of mine, however that's beside the whole point of the theory. The family member is not required for the Samurai training, and the Samurai training is the main point


Tsunade hasn't made negative comments about his Nindo. Show me a page where she did. I
Are you really gonnna argue with this point. I am not going to search through all those chapters, but I do know that there is a chapter where she said something negative about ninja's(something related dying recklessly.) Although it really doesn't matter because Tsunade is just extra spicing on the already clear point. The 4th and Jiraiya have both made it clear that the ninja system itself is the issue. Less than 20 chapters after the 4th himself, in person, tells us the ninja system is the issue, Samurai's get introduced to the story and placed on a super high pedestal at the same time. Excuse me for speculating lol.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

You can mix democracy and dictatorship, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think Naruto could take some aspects of bushido and combine it with his Nindo. Seeing as how he already shows some signs of it.

No, you really can't mix dictatorship with democracy. Look at the characteristics of each, shall we?

Democracy:
1. There are political parties, and people can vote for the party they want in power, based on who in that party is running for power.
2. People have choices of what businesses or jobs they want, and the the government can't force anything on them.

Dictatorship:
1. Even if there is a party, there is only one major party and the leader of that party is able to garner all of the votes, even if the people have the choice to vote.
2. In all totalitarian governments, which is what a dictatorship is, the government has the power to decide who does what job. The people don't have a choice as to what they want to do.

There might be some things from both that I might be missing, but those are the important ones. And we can already see from that that the two types of government are polar opposites. They're worlds apart. A democracy can never incorporate into it any of the properties and/or characteristics of any kind of totalitarian government, and vice versa.
[You should trust me on this; I'm studying Government in Summer School. The textbook is called American Government, but it actually does talk about other types of government, too.]

Also, read carefully Azure's post that comes before my previous one, and then read mine that's after it.

And Naruto actually does fight more like a ninja. He regularly uses deception and sneak attacks, does he not? Just look at how he won the fights against Neji in the Chuunin Exam. And also look how he fought in the middle of the Neji and Kiba fights. He used power in numbers with his Kage Bunshin no Jutsu to overwhelm his opponent in both fights.

And then there are the Kakuzu and Pain fights. In the Kakuzu fight, he sneaked up on Kakuzu from behind, which is something a samurai wouldn't do. Honor and respect, remember? Sneaking up from behind isn't honorable. And the Pain fight. There was some deception involved there, too. And he also overwhelmed Pain with numbers at the very end of the fight. Remember the part where he'd done the Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu and transformed himself into the nearby debris, and then when he failed to take Pain down with the Rasen Shuriken,--Sage Mode also runs out--he undid the Transformation Technique and charged up on Pain. Power in numbers and deception, both, right there. The Transformation Technique in and of itself is all about deception, and the Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, the Mass Shadow Clone Technique, is for information gathering and recon, mainly, but you can also overwhelm people with that, since it's a jutsu that splits the user up into a thousand clones.

And look at how Naruto was earlier too. Oiroke no Jutsu (Sexy Jutsu) and Harem no Jutsu, anyone? [Harem no Jutsu: the Sexy Jutsu combined with the Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu; he beats Mizuki up with a thousand clones transformed into those sexy naked chicks, and IIRC, he uses the Harem no Jutsu on Ebisu, too, though he doesn't beat him up, only gives him a major nosebleed.] The Harem no Jutsu and Oiroke no Jutsu are also both deceptive techniques.

And, yeah, Btill, you failed twice, only one of which I'll address here: You said the only hand-sign techniques Naruto knows are the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu and Tajuu Kage Bunsin no Jutsu. Naruto has actually mastered more than that. Here's a list:

1. Kage Bunshin no Jutsu
2. Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu
3. Henge no Jutsu (Transformation Techique)
4. Oiroke no Jutsu
5. Harem no Jutsu
6. Kuchiyose no Jutsu
7. Reverse Kuchiyose no Jutsu--in the Pain fight, it seemed to me like Naruto could have called out one of the Shadow Clones at Myobokuzan, but Pain wasn't letting him, so Fukusaku did it.
8. Kawirimi no Jutsu (Substitution Technique)--he rarely uses it, if ever, but I'm sure he does know it.

Any that I'm missing?

[Dumbledore]

I have already gone through AP government. Dictatorship- a government ruled by one or a small group. Democracy- ruled by the people. Representative Democracy - a government formed of elected officials by the people as opposed to dictatorship or democracy.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, and, really, the two are worlds apart. You can't mix them, period.

Are you agreeing with everything else I've said, or are you just shaking your heard and going, "Whatever I say, this thick headed idiot won't get it"?

[Dumbledore]

You can mix dem/dic , but I'm not sure about ninja/samurai since those two are so much different than governments being ways of life. I still feel though kishi will do what I said earlier.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I just think he'll go as far as to giving Naruto an edged weapon to go with his Wind Element, along with some Wind-element ninjutsu. He needs more than just the Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken.

[x-Battousai-x]

So Naruto can't learn anything at all from Samurai because they think differently? Well, that seems silly. In a fight, who would you bet your money on, a boxer or MMA fighter? It's a way to give him another power-up. So, Naruto's Nindo is to, in other words, never give up. That's what he thinks. I don't recall Naruto ever saying, "My way of the Ninja is to be a sneaky, witty, fighting in the shadows, back-stabbing Ninja." I'm pretty sure Naruto has a lot of honor and respect as well.

Although the author does take real life characteristics and exaggerate them, I don't think it's impossible for a Samurai to teach Naruto to swing a sword. Any Samurai, it could even be one his Age who teaches him. Doesn't have to be the grand daddy of all Samurai's who teaches him.

I don't really, well, know how else to explain it. Naruto needs a few power-ups here and there. Besides learning how to control the Kyuubi, what else does he have going for him? Step back and ignore the real-life side of it. Besides, this story is a work of fiction with non-fictional elements everywhere, a world where we don't completely know the rules. From a story standpoint, this will help Naruto expand his arsenal as well as give the readers some new and exciting moves.


We can all debate for hours, but here are the facts: we don't exactly know what the Samurai are even capable of, we know that they're nuetral and no one fucks with them, chakra is the raw source of power in the world of Naruto.

What we can assume: they must be strong because no one messes with them, they must have learned to use that chakra in their own techniques.

Who knows, maybe the Samurai are just there and will be forgotten of? I mean, why introduce Samurai if they aren't going to have an important role? Just to establish a third, nuetral party in the Naruto world just for this specific Kage meeting? Why, when the story can be expanded even further with a whole new enemy/ally?

IMO, if they can use chakra and Naruto encounter/spectates a Samurai fight, he's going to be learning a new trick or two. Even if they can't, then they must have extraordinary physical combat skills. In which case Naruto could learn a trick from them to incorporate into his hand-to-hand combat.

The Samurai could play a lot of roles. I guess, we'll just have to wait and see.

[notorious UZIMAKI]

also the samurai of japan were influenced heavily by zen teachings and philosophy. meditation and other mind-body techniques would surely help naruto control the nine-talez (although i agree it would be great to get some first person instruction from killer bee). as for the weapon aspect. eh could go either way. i love that naruto is the 'number one unpredictable ninja' as they so ineloquently translate it haha. but on the other, less well argued hand, samurai swords are straight baller. so will be interesting to see where this goes and i'm psyched about the samurai aspect

[AzureFeatherfly]

So Naruto can't learn anything at all from Samurai because they think differently? Well, that seems silly. In a fight, who would you bet your money on, a boxer or MMA fighter? It's a way to give him another power-up. So, Naruto's Nindo is to, in other words, never give up. That's what he thinks. I don't recall Naruto ever saying, "My way of the Ninja is to be a sneaky, witty, fighting in the shadows, back-stabbing Ninja." I'm pretty sure Naruto has a lot of honor and respect as well.

I have already mentioned how techniques are passed down and the method you are suggesting is a violation of the code that they live by, a code that means more than their lives.

I do not recall Naruto saying any of those things either, but he has done them more than once.

Attacking from behind, Using numbers, and Using tricks are all acts of cowardice under the Samurai code.

I don't really, well, know how else to explain it. Naruto needs a few power-ups here and there. Besides learning how to control the Kyuubi, what else does he have going for him? Step back and ignore the real-life side of it. Besides, this story is a work of fiction with non-fictional elements everywhere, a world where we don't completely know the rules. From a story standpoint, this will help Naruto expand his arsenal as well as give the readers some new and exciting moves.

I pay attention to the real-life traditions because Kishimoto constantly pays respect and homage to Japanese culture, tradition, mythology and lore. This pattern of respect should not stop just because he wants to give more power-ups.

Who knows, maybe the Samurai are just there and will be forgotten of? I mean, why introduce Samurai if they aren't going to have an important role? Just to establish a third, nuetral party in the Naruto world just for this specific Kage meeting? Why, when the story can be expanded even further with a whole new enemy/ally?

Who said they would not have important role?
Is "Samurai teaching Naruto' the only reason for them to exist? Until now, everyone is interesting in their power and maybe giving Naruto some of theirs.

IMO, if they can use chakra and Naruto encounter/spectates a Samurai fight, he's going to be learning a new trick or two. Even if they can't, then they must have extraordinary physical combat skills. In which case Naruto could learn a trick from them to incorporate into his hand-to-hand combat.

That may be possible, if Naruto has a Sharingan. It is the only thing to learn of the chakra and muscle movements needed for a technique.

The Samurai could play a lot of roles. I guess, we'll just have to wait and see.

They will certainly play a lot of roles,I do not deny that. We will see.


EXTRA NOTE:

For a weapon, I would much rather have a Kusarigama (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/yf1989/kusarigama1.jpg), which he can spin into a bladed cyclone. This where unrealism and innovation kicks since normally the metal ball is the one being spun.

[notorious UZIMAKI]

hell yeah chained kama, that would be the perfect weapon to instill with the wind element. cyclone cutting isht.

[djray]

i want to see tobi vs the current mizukage...i think chojuro will fight suigetsu

[Lnrd]

^I'm pretty sure Madara could kill pretty much anyone in the Narutoverse in a 1 on 1. So I wouldn't wish that fate on the beauty.

[btill9000]

And, yeah, Btill, you failed twice, only one of which I'll address here: You said the only hand-sign techniques Naruto knows are the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu and Tajuu Kage Bunsin no Jutsu.

Actually your the failure and it seems to be a failure at basic reading comprehension. I've never said any thing about Naruto only knowing two jutsu. He's a hard worker, so he's forced himself to learn a lot of things. However, there is a difference between mastery of something and just knowing it. I said that he's most efficient with and most naturally talented with a jutsu that require no hand-signs. I also said that he's able to use jutsu that rely more on chakra capacity, than skill. BTW, im glad you chose to stop arguing that final part about negative views of the ninja system.

[Disillusion]

Moving away from the samurais for the moment, I think that this chapter is seriously leaning towards a different situation.

Doesn't anyone find it odd that Naruto, who has one of the fastest healing abilities, is still wearing bandages over his left eye? The same eye which Danzou has covered.

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/004.jpg
http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/004.jpg

Also note that Danzou takes pride in the fact that he went through such lengths to keep his name and identity a secret until this point. Additionally, it seems there will be numerous distractions (assassination attempts) since he stepped into the light.

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/007.jpg
http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/007.jpg

It also seems too coincidental that Sakura and Sai got left behind for this mission, and that Naruto is already ahead of Danzou.

My point is that there is a strong possibility Naruto could be mistaken for Danzou, and be let into the Kage summit as a result. Here you have the hero of Konoha who single-handedly defeated the face leader of Akatsuki. Naruto currently has an injury that would match a single description of Danzou (bandages over left eye), and is being escorted by the famed Copy Ninja Kakashi and Mokuton user Yamato (both of which were a part of ANBU). This would explain the two bodyguards per Kage condition and why Sai and Sakura got conveniently left behind.

Naruto wants to speak to the Raikage, who called the summit in the first place, and is a good friend of the current Kazekage. As long as he beats Danzou to the meeting, which it already looks like he has, this could turn into a very unique and fortunate situation for him.

Any thoughts on this?

[Rdr300]

well thats a stretch. mainly because gaara and his group, who are already there, know naruto and would instantly recognize him. so as soon as he would be "let in" he would be found out.

I think it would be more believable that he gets there, and sasuke is already there attacking. setting up a naruto vs sasuke fight and probably, sadly so, sasuke rejoining team 7 to take on madra (spelling is wrong I'm sure)

[xPyrox]

It's a stretch but honestly, I have to admit, I do like the idea and although it is a stretch it stinks of Naruto.

[Disillusion]

I do realize it's a stretch, and that it heavily depends on Gaara's cooperation to succeed. But considering the fact that Gaara owes Naruto his life, he could return the favor as the Kazekage. This has already been foreshadowed.

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http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000103312/10.jpg

[x-Battousai-x]

Moving away from the samurais for the moment, I think that this chapter is seriously leaning towards a different situation.

Doesn't anyone find it odd that Naruto, who has one of the fastest healing abilities, is still wearing bandages over his left eye? The same eye which Danzou has covered.

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/004.jpg
http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/456/004.jpg

Also note that Danzou takes pride in the fact that he went through such lengths to keep his name and identity a secret until this point. Additionally, it seems there will be numerous distractions (assassination attempts) since he stepped into the light.

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It also seems too coincidental that Sakura and Sai got left behind for this mission, and that Naruto is already ahead of Danzou.

My point is that there is a strong possibility Naruto could be mistaken for Danzou, and be let into the Kage summit as a result. Here you have the hero of Konoha who single-handedly defeated the face leader of Akatsuki. Naruto currently has an injury that would match a single description of Danzou (bandages over left eye), and is being escorted by the famed Copy Ninja Kakashi and Mokuton user Yamato (both of which were a part of ROOT). This would explain the two bodyguards per Kage condition and why Sai and Sakura got conveniently left behind.

Naruto wants to speak to the Raikage, who called the summit in the first place, and is a good friend of the current Kazekage. As long as he beats Danzou to the meeting, which it already looks like he has, this could turn into a very unique and fortunate situation for him.

Any thoughts on this?

Wow! Great idea man. That really does seem like it could work. I don't think Gaara would snitch, he would be surprised at first that it's Naruto but I'm sure Naruto would give him a sign. I thought you were going to say something else, like Naruto has a sharingan (lol), but damn dude, good stuff.

I really think that could be a ticket for Naruto straight into the Kage meeting without any fighting.

But here's a real super stretch for all of you who are bored, kind of popped up in my head, was Naruto actually having a Sharingan LOL. He could have been given some weird Sharingan power-up as soon as Danzou used his own. Who the hell knows? I should probably sober up before writing anything else lololol

[Infinitekaos]

I think it is more than a bit of a stretch, but hey, good imagination. I don't think many people will mistake Naruto for Danzou. I think more than likely, in that situation, people would just assume he is the Hokage if they didn't already find out Danzou is Hokage. If you think about it, Madara knows Danzou is Hokage because Zetsu is an excellent spy. But why would all the other villages know that Danzou is the new Hokage besides Team Samui?

But I still think its a large stretch.

[Dumbledore]

Wow you really piss me off who ever came up with the theory, because I wish I had come up with it first. :P

The jounin's still haven't voted for Hokage, so I could see that as something to add to give it more backing. For now on, I'm going to wear my thinking hat 24/7 so don't slip up, or I''l be the one to get dibs on that theory.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, it's a stretch, and not just for all of the aforementioned reasons. We also have to wonder 1)if Naruto will know to take advantage of the misunderstanding, and 2)whether he'll actually be able to handle the situation well enough. Though, if just Kakashi and Yamato are able to understand that they could do it, then maybe just the two of them could make it work, and they'd guide Naruto through simple hand signs.

@Btill: I honestly thought you said that the only two jutsu with hand-signs that Naruto mastered were the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu and Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. But, still, let me just say that Naruto has already mastered all of the techniques I listed, the ones that actually use hand-signs.

@Everyone else: As Azure said, and as I, too, have tried to prove, even though Naruto doesn't that his Ninja Way is to sneak behind people, use deception, and all of that other stuff, he still does use it and has used it. Kakuzu fight, Neji fight, Pain fight; these are just the main examples. ["Actions speak louder than words," people. If he acts like a ninja, then he is a ninja.] Even the Harem no Jutsu and Oiroke no Jutsu, techniques that Naruto himself made-up are, in a way, centered around deception and advantage in numbers.

Edit: Dumbledore beat me to it.

@Dumbledore: Yeah, the Jounin still have to vote for the Hokage, and right now, Danzou's trying to do all he can to get all of the votes. I think that if Naruto is somehow able to garner all of the votes for himself and for the Third's lineage and teachings, then I think Danzou will lose to him politically. Then from there, Naruto can either choose to make himself Hokage, or give the position to Kakashi, who is also part of the Third's lineage as far as teachings go.

[Dumbledore]

^ Yeah I agree that kakashi and Yamato would give him some hand signs,and Naruto would pick it up from there if he hadn't already seen the opportunity. In all reality, either of them could pretend to be Hokage, but I'd much rather see Naruto pretend.

If I could choose (referring to Naruto/Kakashi racking up the votes), I would much rather have Kakashi become hokage over Naruto, because you would think the series would be closer to a close when and if Naruto becomes hokage.

[InvertedDijin]

^ Yeah I agree that kakashi and Yamato would give him some hand signs,and Naruto would pick it up from there if he hadn't already seen the opportunity. In all reality, either of them could pretend to be Hokage, but I'd much rather see Naruto pretend.

If I could choose (referring to Naruto/Kakashi racking up the votes), I would much rather have Kakashi become hokage over Naruto, because you would think the series would be closer to a close when and if Naruto becomes hokage.

The series would end when Naruto becomes Hokage. That has been his goal from the beginning. So it would make sense for the series to end with Naruto meeting his ultimate goal.

[Dumbledore]

Exactly my point, I don't want the series to end.

[AzureFeatherfly]

I do realize it's a stretch, and that it heavily depends on Gaara's cooperation to succeed. But considering the fact that Gaara owes Naruto his life, he could return the favor as the Kazekage. This has already been foreshadowed.

There is another huge problem.

Naruto is not going directly to the Summit.

Naruto is tailing Samui.

Samui is trying to rendezvous with the Raikage.

Samui cannot get into the Summit, therefore the rendezvous point has to be outside of the territory of the Samurai.

Once the Raikage knows who Danzou is, Naruto is easily exposed.

Kazekage, mizukage, and Tsuchikage would not have any problems.



Team Hawk, Team Samui, Team Raikage, Team Danzou, and Naruto might end in an interesting situation.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

There is another huge problem.

Naruto is not going directly to the Summit.

Naruto is tailing Samui.

Samui is trying to rendezvous with the Raikage.

Samui cannot get into the Summit, therefore the rendezvous point has to be outside of the territory of the Samurai.

Once the Raikage knows who Danzou is, Naruto is easily exposed.

Kazekage, mizukage, and Tsuchikage would not have any problems.



Team Hawk, Team Samui, Team Raikage, Team Danzou, and Naruto might end in an interesting situation.

All true, I guess we didn't see that.

Exactly my point, I don't want the series to end.

Well, yeah, it hast to end, though. And Naruto has to become Hokage, too, but I really don't think it'll be right now.

[Rdr300]

Well, yeah, it hast to end, though. And Naruto has to become Hokage, too, but I really don't think it'll be right now.

he doesnt have to per say. I can see him dying using that sealing tech to finish madra and the other tail beast forever. (forgive spelling its 4 am)

[Ether101]

Well, actually, I'd rather say it's like fire and water, light and dark, yin and yang, land and sky. Those things can't mix. There has to be a balance between light and darkness, but I wouldn't call that mixing.

Twilight. There are plenty series that have people combine two completely different styles, technics and cultures. Like Urd from Ah! My Goddess who combines the two completely different ideologies of the Gods and Demons.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

he doesnt have to per say. I can see him dying using that sealing tech to finish madra and the other tail beast forever. (forgive spelling its 4 am)

. . . You do know, right, that Shounen manga have an unwritten rule that says that the author isn't allowed to kill the hero of the story off? Naruto isn't going to die, and he will become Hokage. That's what the whole story is about, Naruto's dream to be Hokage. It'd be bummer if he couldn't fulfill it.

@Ether: That may be, and I have read some of the Twilight series (plan to finish reading sometime), but it doesn't seem like ninjas and samurais will be meshed in this series.

[Ether101]

@Ether: That may be, and I have read some of the Twilight series (plan to finish reading sometime), but it doesn't seem like ninjas and samurais will be meshed in this series.

-_- Twilight is a blending between light and dark. I really don't think they will either but to dismiss it like that ass did on a Bleach board is really stupid.

[grimtage]

-_- Twilight is a blending between light and dark. I really don't think they will either but to dismiss it like that ass did on a Bleach board is really stupid.

I think it's quite stupid to not dismiss it, there's not a chance that they'll kill Naruto off, not even to have a happy ending like in Code GeassShounen is aimed at kids, all kids stories have a storybook ending. The guy gets the gal / the gal gets the guy / the protagonist gets what he aims at, kids can't appreciate bitter-sweet things like happy endings where the protagonist dies.

[Tank]

Seems like a particularly boring chapter honestly. I could care less about Sai or Sasuke, and the parts with Naruto are him bowing his head and begging instead of talking to the Raikage like a man, just like he does with anybody else he's ever encountered.

Shounen is aimed at kids, all kids stories have a storybook ending. The guy gets the gal / the gal gets the guy / the protagonist gets what he aims at, kids can't appreciate bitter-sweet things like happy endings where the protagonist dies.

666 Satan is a shounen manga done by Kishimoto's younger brother. The protagonist, the protagonist's love interest, and many of his other friends die in the end in order to save the world from destruction.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Tank, yeah, sometimes a Shounen hero might die, but most of the time he doesn't die. And most of the time, when a hero in a manga dies, that manga isn't even a Shounen--might actually be a Seinen like Wolf's Rain, where the entire main cast on the guys' side, except that one girl, dies. But what I was really trying to say, and what that other guy was also saying, the hero of a Shounen manga at least does get his way. Even in the one you brought up, even though the hero did die, he still "won," since he managed to save the world when he died, too.