Naruto 457 Discussion

[btill9000]

Hmm the poll didn't come through right....looks like a mod will have to fix. Anyway,You would not believe how long I've been waiting on Hiashi Hyuga to come up. Been waiting for the Hyuga's to get injected into this mess.

[Vergil]

LMAO
What's with that "He's Danzou"????
Who the hell is he?

[xPyrox]

LMAO
What's with that "He's Danzou"????
Who the hell is he?

...........
I'm supposing this is supposed to be something ironic or clever or sarcastic.
But really. I don't see it. So I'm either on a very thick day, or you really dont know who danzou is. Or you're trying to be funny and failing a lot..

Chapter seems alright, but doesn't seem to go anywhere at all. Naruto begs, Raikage says Naruto shouldn't be bowing his head, fucks off. Hyuga comes up, some shit about something or other, sasuke.

boringg agaiinn T_T

[Vergil]

I'm really clueless about who Danzou is, honestly.
Enlighten me.

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

seems like another boring chapter....but i'm curious to see a Sasuke and Naruto meeting tho

[Infinitekaos]

I'll have to wait for more information to really judge this chapter. But it does seem like just more "please forgive Sasuke" garbage.

[btill9000]

The sucky part is that it's obvious it'll be 3 to 5 chapters before anything really interesting happens.

[yaWgnorW]

I think slightly boring/plot building chapters are to be expected after a 25+ chapter battle :) I'm interested to see whats coming up about the Hyuga's...at the moment it seems somewhat random to bring them up now, at a meeting with the 5 kages. Also, Sasuke activates his sharingan when he sees Danzo. Its already stated he isn't going to do anything until his journey back, but Sasuke did say he wanted to try something new when he left his meeting with Tobi in 453. Maybe this has something to do with it? Or simply just looking at his target a bit more closely...we'll see.

[Lnrd]

ゼツとサスケでどいつがダンゾウなのか確認しに行くが
Sasuke, wanting to know just who Danzou is, goes with Zetsu to confirm his identity

ゼツにあいつがダンゾウだよ　って言われた瞬間にサスケ目が写輪眼へ
but the moment that Zetsu tells him, "He's Danzou," there's a close-up of Sasuke's eyes with the Sharingan

Seems to me Zetsu is hiding something.

[vejtornado]

zetsu claims that he is danzo wtf. naruto vs sasuke is getting closer as we know that it is going to happen

[btill9000]

How do you guys feel about the thought that either 1 or 2 of the Hokage's present will end up on the side of Akatsuki.

[Dumbledore]

^ If not something else is going on I believe, because the spoilers give off an ominous mood.

[Final Arcana]

The forgotten Konoha clan is mentioned?!?!
Finally.

Neji and the Hyuuga Clan have pretty much been ignored in Part II.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

@Vejtornado: I think Zetsu is referring to someone Sasuke is looking at, not to himself. If he were referring to himself, he'd say, "I'm Danzou;" you do realize that, right?

I really don't like the sound of Naruto bowing, even if it's a Kage whom he's bowing to.

@Vergil: If you really don't know who Danzou is, what have you been reading in this manga this whole time?

[He's a Mentalist]

Naruto bowing is a sign of not only respect, but him trying to get some sort of empathy from the Kage who ordered the death of his friend. A form of saying sorry for Sauske's actions. Naruto just can't go up to the Kage and say,"don't kill Sauske because I want him alive because I love him!" That would be rather disrespectful as he would be seemingly thrusting his will over the Kaige basically saying, "you are not to kill Sauske." At least with bowing he would be more likely to pardon Sauske or come to some kind of agreement with Naruto as Naruto is showing not only civility but respect and could possibly be the best one to stop Sauske without him being killed.

Naruto should also bring up Killerbee if he wants Sauske pardoned. If Naruto can bring back Killerbee and have Killerbee explain himself then surely Sauske will be pardoned.

[btill9000]

I hope Sasuke kills Sai or something. That way we can get away from this saving Sasuke thing.

[Rollingstar]

Kishi better include the Hyuuga more into this, they should be playing a big role, being in konoha before it was even called konoha, and the fact that Cloud wanted their eyes so bad, they decided to be little bitches about it when their attempt failed hard.

[He's a Mentalist]

I hope Sasuke kills Sai or something. That way we can get away from this saving Sasuke thing.

Why do you hate Sai so much?

[btill9000]

Why do you hate Sai so much?

I don't hate Sai at all. I just know that killing Sai would force Naruto to "never forgive" Sasuke. Would work just as well if Sasuke killed Yamato, but I am not sure Sasuke could pull it off.

[Lnrd]

^I'm sure Sasuke could kill anyone from Konoha except for Naruto, and maybe Danzou.

[Komotion]

I actually like btill's "kill sai" thought. I mean, as far as im concerned, sai is just a fill-in character that has the aura of death surrounding him. Good god, the kids pretty much screaming "kill me to move the plot along!". And, dont get me wrong sai lovers, i dont hate the guy, i just get the sense that to foreward things along, someone close to naruto will have to die, and i do mean die and not ever come back unlike kakashi....that guys apparently a highlander...

[afrotaito]

@Vergil: If you really don't know who Danzou is, what have you been reading in this manga this whole time?

of course he knows, cant u see he's laughing at the way he's being pointed out in the manga. you guys just didnt get him

[Rollingstar]

Supposedly Naruto luuuuurves sakura-chan...

Kishi you troll.

[Infinitekaos]

We've always known that Naruto loves Sakura though. Hell, he asks her on dates all the time and always gets rejected. What we don't know is how Naruto feels about the Hinata confession. It almost seems as though Kishi forgot he wrote that.

From the extended spoiler, seems like another slow chapter. I'm kinda interested in what the kages will talk about and maybe the impending fight between Sasuke and Danzou. I have a feeling Sasuke will lose. Something has to happen for Sasuke to want more power and finally accept his brother's eyes for the EMS. A lose to Danzou would certainly make that a reality.

[Komotion]

What about that automatic protection (ameturas or something like that) that itachi gave sasuke? Unless its specifically for protecting him against mandara, then wouldnt that work to his favor? I mean, if i remember correctly, that was one of the most powerful skills to come from the sharingan, right?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

What about that automatic protection (ameturas or something like that) that itachi gave sasuke? Unless its specifically for protecting him against mandara, then wouldnt that work to his favor? I mean, if i remember correctly, that was one of the most powerful skills to come from the sharingan, right?

If you're talking about that Amaterasu going off when Madara showed Sasuke his Sharingan, then that was just a one time deal, and only to activate if and when Sasuke encountered Madara's Sharingan for the first time. That already happened. But Itachi did also transfer all of his eye techniques into Sasuke, which his how the latter can use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu; not sure if he can use Susano'o or not.

We've always known that Naruto loves Sakura though. Hell, he asks her on dates all the time and always gets rejected. What we don't know is how Naruto feels about the Hinata confession. It almost seems as though Kishi forgot he wrote that.

Either that Hinata and Naruto really did talk off-panel. But if that's the case, then when is Kishi going to tell us about it?

From the extended spoiler, seems like another slow chapter. I'm kinda interested in what the kages will talk about and maybe the impending fight between Sasuke and Danzou. I have a feeling Sasuke will lose. Something has to happen for Sasuke to want more power and finally accept his brother's eyes for the EMS. A lose to Danzou would certainly make that a reality.

Agreed here completely.

@Everyone else: I agree that Sasuke could kill everyone in Konoha except for Naruto, and maybe Danzou. Throw Kakashi in there, too, because I really don't think Sasuke can beat him, for some reason. So, yeah, he could kill either Yamato or Sai to get Naruto to see that he can't be forgiven. But even if he doesn't realize that before he has to fight him, I'm pretty sure that during the fight Naruto will come to realize that he has to set Sasuke right by beating some sense into him, and if he doesn't listen, then Naruto will have to kill him.

By the way, Btill, why does it seem to me like mixing up "Hokage" and "Kage"? Kage is the general term for the Five Kages, so I don't get why you said, "Hokage's," unless you really did mean to say that.

[Rollingstar]

We've always known that Naruto loves Sakura though. Hell, he asks her on dates all the time and always gets rejected. What we don't know is how Naruto feels about the Hinata confession. It almost seems as though Kishi forgot he wrote that.

From the extended spoiler, seems like another slow chapter. I'm kinda interested in what the kages will talk about and maybe the impending fight between Sasuke and Danzou. I have a feeling Sasuke will lose. Something has to happen for Sasuke to want more power and finally accept his brother's eyes for the EMS. A lose to Danzou would certainly make that a reality.

He didn't forget, Everyone thought he forgot all about the seven swordsman, Yondaime and etc. but look what we gots har. :amused:

I kinda want Raikage to kick Sasuke's ass... Naruto already got his beating, not sure if it's done anything to him.

[Dumbledore]

^ Sasuke did get his ass handed to him pretty bad by Killerbee. I want to see a Naruto/Hinata scene almost as bad as a Ichigo Chapter. I always saw Naruto and Sakura as like those 2 best friends that could never be together. Slow chapter, but looks good nevertheless.

[logainofhades]

I also want to see a Naruhina scene. The way it just was kinda put on the back burner after her confession annoys the hell out of me.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

^ Sasuke did get his ass handed to him pretty bad by Killerbee. I want to see a Naruto/Hinata scene almost as bad as a Ichigo Chapter. I always saw Naruto and Sakura as like those 2 best friends that could never be together. Slow chapter, but looks good nevertheless.

Makes it sound like you're calling Naruto gay, even though I do understand what you really meant here. And, besides, Naruto loves Sakura, so he can't be gay.

@The rest of the quoted post: Agreed. Especially about the part where you mentioned Ichigo, but, this is a discussion about Naruto, not Bleach.

Sasuke did get his ass handed to him, but I think he's going to get beaten up badly again, this time by Danzou. And then when Naruto catches up, they'll probably fight, too.

@logainofhades: Agreed.

[Dumbledore]

^ Of course he isn't gay,but yeah you know what I meant. I just didn't want to say they were like brother and sister, so I took a different approach. I know its about Naruto, was just comparing the two in relation to me. Yeah Sasuke has another ass kickn coming his way, but I'd like him to at least win his next battle even though he is annoying. I just like it when Naruto feels he needs more power, because then he gets a new power boost lol.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

^ Of course he isn't gay,but yeah you know what I meant. I just didn't want to say they were like brother and sister, so I took a different approach. I know its about Naruto, was just comparing the two in relation to me. Yeah Sasuke has another ass kickn coming his way, but I'd like him to at least win his next battle even though he is annoying. I just like it when Naruto feels he needs more power, because then he gets a new power boost lol.

Eh? Why can't you just say that they're like brothers?

Anyway, yeah, I know what you mean about wanting to see Sasuke at least winning his next battle. I feel the same way, actually. And I don't necessarily hate him that much.

Agreed about Naruto wanting more power. But, by the way, I'm getting a bad feeling about Naruto wanting actual peace to be achieved. I mean, what if he's started to think he can bring peace without making sacrifices? We all know that in order to achieve even true peace, one still has to kill some people, namely his/her enemies, right? I'm worried that Naruto is going to spare even the more dangerous of his enemies, even though, normally, you'd avoid sparing someone like that.

[Dumbledore]

^ True, I guess we will have to wait and find out if he achieves it at all.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

He's the Destined Child/Child of Prophecy, and the Prophecy speaks of a child that will change the World of Ninja by bringing true peace. Aside from his destiny to become Hokage, he's also destined to change the World of Ninja according to the Prophecy. But I'm still worried that he'll get beat up unnecessarily, failing to realize that he still needs to kill when needed.

[btill9000]

I actually like btill's "kill sai" thought. I mean, as far as im concerned, sai is just a fill-in character that has the aura of death surrounding him. Good god, the kids pretty much screaming "kill me to move the plot along!". And, dont get me wrong sai lovers, i dont hate the guy, i just get the sense that to foreward things along, someone close to naruto will have to die, and i do mean die and not ever come back unlike kakashi....that guys apparently a highlander...

Yeh it seems like he was put there to die to me as well. Until Sai, Tsunade, or someone important dies at the hands of Sasuke, Naruto is going to continue to behave pathetically. To be honest I expected Sai to be dead already. IMO, the manga will be much better once he's gone.


By the way, Btill, why does it seem to me like mixing up "Hokage" and "Kage"? Kage is the general term for the Five Kages, so I don't get why you said, "Hokage's," unless you really did mean to say that.
Because you get bored and browse around for semantic errors to correct, rather than participating in the actual discussion going on.

[arishkegal]

But, by the way, I'm getting a bad feeling about Naruto wanting actual peace to be achieved. I mean, what if he's started to think he can bring peace without making sacrifices? We all know that in order to achieve even true peace, one still has to kill some people, namely his/her enemies, right? I'm worried that Naruto is going to spare even the more dangerous of his enemies, even though, normally, you'd avoid sparing someone like that.

I agree with your statement, because it worries me too. However, when attacked I'm sure he would defend himself.

Sasuke brings out the irrational side of Naruto because he wants to save him so much, what about the people Sasuke killed? Don't they deserve some justice too, because they had some people who loved them. I feel that Sasuke isn't learning anything from his mistakes, this is why I am sort of rooting for Danzou right now (although I hate him with a passion). Danzou is going to put him in his place. And Naruto will get all upset, and want to kill Danzou. Do I feel that Sasuke can be saved from himself? No, because his form of justice is to kill everybody involved with the Uchiha massacre. That's a hell of a lot of people, Naruto will be chasing him around for years trying to stop him. There will be more and more details revealed about that incident, maybe the Hyuga clan has something to do with it, or the other clans. Maybe Konoha village thought that the Uchiha were going to be a major threat to their peace because of Madara. I'm just hypothesizing here, but as long as Sasuke thinks that someone could have caused him to lose his family he will stay a missing-nin and a criminal.

[Komotion]

If you're talking about that Amaterasu going off when Madara showed Sasuke his Sharingan, then that was just a one time deal, and only to activate if and when Sasuke encountered Madara's Sharingan for the first time. That already happened. But Itachi did also transfer all of his eye techniques into Sasuke, which his how the latter can use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu; not sure if he can use Susano'o or not.



Either that Hinata and Naruto really did talk off-panel. But if that's the case, then when is Kishi going to tell us about it?



Agreed here completely.

@Everyone else: I agree that Sasuke could kill everyone in Konoha except for Naruto, and maybe Danzou. Throw Kakashi in there, too, because I really don't think Sasuke can beat him, for some reason. So, yeah, he could kill either Yamato or Sai to get Naruto to see that he can't be forgiven. But even if he doesn't realize that before he has to fight him, I'm pretty sure that during the fight Naruto will come to realize that he has to set Sasuke right by beating some sense into him, and if he doesn't listen, then Naruto will have to kill him.

By the way, Btill, why does it seem to me like mixing up "Hokage" and "Kage"? Kage is the general term for the Five Kages, so I don't get why you said, "Hokage's," unless you really did mean to say that.

Thx, i didnt know it was a one time deal thing, but if he did aquire susano's then i would imagine that, incorperated with itachis skills, would make him atleast a challenge for danzou. I would also wager that if sasuke masters these new talents, then he could be just under or on par with naruto. Asfar as kakashi goes, i believe sasuke could probably take him. I mean, kakashi couldnt take itachi, and since sasuke obtained itachis moves (sort of) then he should be able to beat him. And finally, I see that confrontation between itachi and naruto (where itachi asked him if he would stop him at all cost) being a form of foreshadowing. Naruto will have to either kill sasuke, or somehow prove to sasuke that mandara is using him (but i think the final battle with mandara will be against sasuke for some reason)...

[Komotion]

Yeh it seems like he was put there to die to me as well. Until Sai, Tsunade, or someone important dies at the hands of Sasuke, Naruto is going to continue to behave pathetically. To be honest I expected Sai to be dead already. IMO, the manga will be much better once he's gone.


Because you get bored and browse around for semantic errors to correct, rather than participating in the actual discussion going on.

Btill: quick question for ya...everyone seems to think danzou will be fighting sasuke (due to the sharingans) but do you think its plausible that when tsunade comes back, that she would be the one to fight him? I mean, i would imagine in her eyes, danzou would be a traitor of sorts to taking advantage of the situation with her being out of it, and not helping with the protection of the village when pain attacked it. Ofcourse, if tsunade does fight danzou, then that could set up the death scene of tsunade (as you stated, someone important has to die), but, that would mean naruto would be the one to end up fighting danzou in the end for retribution...k, im done, sorry if that sounded confusing...

[btill9000]

Seems plausible to me, but that would cause a split in the leaf village. Like him or not, Danzo is the Hokage now. Some people would defend him just because of that fact. Although, I imagine that Tsunade could fight someone with a sharigan. I view her as comparable to Jiraiya, and Jiraiya seemed to have no issues with the prospect of facing Itachi.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeh it seems like he was put there to die to me as well. Until Sai, Tsunade, or someone important dies at the hands of Sasuke, Naruto is going to continue to behave pathetically. To be honest I expected Sai to be dead already. IMO, the manga will be much better once he's gone.

I feel the same way as far as Sasuke and Naruto are concerned. But I think that the final battle will be Naruto and Sasuke vs. Madara, for some reason. If that turns out to be the case, though, then that means Sasuke will have to realize some time that what he's doing is wrong. He already seems to be onto Madara, and the fact that he's just being used by him.

Because you get bored and browse around for semantic errors to correct, rather than participating in the actual discussion going on.

I do participate in the actual discussion; what else do you think I've been doing? Also, there are two very good reasons why I correct mistakes. Number one, I'm a perfectionist, especially when it comes to grammar and manga terminology (I know I myself make mistakes in grammar occasionally, too, since no one is perfect, so I sometimes expect people to correct me, and I thank them when and if they do); number two, I don't like seeing people making fools of themselves, so when I feel like someone made an error in terminology, I try to correct it. Sorry if I offended you.

I don't always try to act like I'm the grammar police, mind you, but I just thought I'd say it.

Thx, i didnt know it was a one time deal thing, but if he did aquire susano's then i would imagine that, incorperated with itachis skills, would make him atleast a challenge for danzou. I would also wager that if sasuke masters these new talents, then he could be just under or on par with naruto. Asfar as kakashi goes, i believe sasuke could probably take him. I mean, kakashi couldnt take itachi, and since sasuke obtained itachis moves (sort of) then he should be able to beat him. And finally, I see that confrontation between itachi and naruto (where itachi asked him if he would stop him at all cost) being a form of foreshadowing. Naruto will have to either kill sasuke, or somehow prove to sasuke that mandara is using him (but i think the final battle with mandara will be against sasuke for some reason)...

[Firstly, let me just say you should avoid making double posts. You can always edit the same post if yours is the last one in the thread.]

Yeah, Sasuke might actually be able to beat Danzou with his MS and the techniques Itachi gave him. Sasuke does have the techniques still, but the defense mechanism that saved Sasuke that one time was just for that time only and won't ever happen again. That's what I was saying.

I'm thinking Sasuke has more techniques in his MS, too, since it seems to be unique between each user; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and (maybe) Susano'o were given to Sasuke by Itachi, so Sasuke is bound to have techniques of his own included in his MS as well.

According to Madara, Naruto is far more powerful than Sasuke now. If this is true, then Sasuke will absolutely need his normal Sharingan and MS against Naruto because those things can always help an Uchiha, it seems.

I agree that Sasuke could take Kakashi, but I feel like the latter might give the former some trouble, at least. I mean, battle experience is something, too, right?

I also do agree with the rest of the post.

Seems plausible to me, but that would cause a split in the leaf village. Like him or not, Danzo is the Hokage now. Some people would defend him just because of that fact. Although, I imagine that Tsunade could fight someone with a sharigan. I view her as comparable to Jiraiya, and Jiraiya seemed to have no issues with the prospect of facing Itachi.

I agree in some things.

Yes, Danzou is the Hokage now, but like some others, I'm pretty sure most of the people in the village will back Naruto and the rest of the Third's lineage (as far as teachings are concerned) and that Danzou will have just his own followers in Root, along with the Elders, by default. The Elders are extremely significant by themselves, I know, but Danzou also isn't exactly the official Hokage yet. He has to get the votes from all of the Jounin of Konoha, and that's why he's trying to be as domestically and politically "good" as possible, so that he can get those votes. If Naruto manages to set the right example, then I can see him getting the votes instead of Danzou, as I already said before. Then he could give the Hokage position to Kakashi if he wants, or he could take it for himself. I doubt he'd take it right now, though, so I'm thinking he'll give it to Kakashi.

I also do agree about Tsunade probably being able to fight someone with a Sharingan, but I still think it's going to be a problem fighting against Sharingan, all things considered.

@Arishkegal: I get what you mean. And I hate Danzou, too.

[Komotion]

Btill:You are right, it would cause a split in the village (which might end up happening and could be a plot twist), but i get the sense that a large majority are following danzou strictly because they feel they have to. If tsunade came back, it could end up being anbu(sp?) ops against shinobis like kakashi and gai...good idea on the split thing though...

Bankai-Ichigo: I had forgotten that mandara said naruto was stronger atm (i remember him saying it but could you show me page and chp?) and yea, sasuke would need his new techniques, especially genjutsu. I mean, naruto is still weak against genjutsu right?
and, about the battle experience, you are correct sir. Unfortunately I was ignorant and thus did not factor in the experience or the fact that kakashi has lvled his sharigan up, too.
Also, sorry about the double posting thing. I try not to do that and i do apologize. :)

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Bankai-Ichigo: I had forgotten that mandara said naruto was stronger atm (i remember him saying it but could you show me page and chp?) and yea, sasuke would need his new techniques, especially genjutsu. I mean, naruto is still weak against genjutsu right?
and, about the battle experience, you are correct sir. Unfortunately I was ignorant and thus did not factor in the experience or the fact that kakashi has lvled his sharigan up, too.
Also, sorry about the double posting thing. I try not to do that and i do apologize. :)

Manga page where Madara says that Naruto is now stronger than Sasuke: http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-453-page-14.html.

About Naruto still being vulnerable to genjutsu: That's true, it'll still work on him, but if he gets the idea and the chance to summon the Sage Toads (Fukusaku and Shima), he'll not only have allies who could gather Natural Energy for him while being attached to his shoulders (which is now possible because of the fact that the Fourth fixed the Seal on the Kyuub's chakra, meaning that the Kyuubi can't reject the Toad Fusion anymore), but he'll also have two partners who could release chakra into his body to cancel a genjutsu. However, since Fukusaku and Shima might also fall under the genjutsu because of being attached to him, I think he'll need to summon Gamabunta and/or Gamakichi as well, since he'll then also have more Toads and more partners to help cancel genjutsu if Fukusaku and Shima can't do it.

Kakashi probably did get a bit better at controlling his MS' technique, and if he has, then that's going to create even more problems for Sasuke.

[Komotion]

Manga page where Madara says that Naruto is now stronger than Sasuke: http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-453-page-14.html.

About Naruto still being vulnerable to genjutsu: That's true, it'll still work on him, but if he gets the idea and the chance to summon the Sage Toads (Fukusaku and Shima), he'll not only have allies who could gather Natural Energy for him while being attached to his shoulders (which is now possible because of the fact that the Fourth fixed the Seal on the Kyuub's chakra, meaning that the Kyuubi can't reject the Toad Fusion anymore), but he'll also have two partners who could release chakra into his body to cancel a genjutsu. However, since Fukusaku and Shima might also fall under the genjutsu because of being attached to him, I think he'll need to summon Gamabunta and/or Gamakichi as well, since he'll then also have more Toads and more partners to help cancel genjutsu if Fukusaku and Shima can't do it.

Kakashi probably did get a bit better at controlling his MS' technique, and if he has, then that's going to create even more problems for Sasuke.

Thx for the link, and yes, the frogs could help him in the face of genjutsu, but i had another thought. You may have stated this and i misunderstood, but isnt there a technique where you can stop or cancel out a genjutsu by producing the same or more chakra than the genjutsu user? I might be wrong and that may not apply to the sharingan tech, but if it is true, then with narutos chakra, he should be able to break any genjutsu sasuke throws at him. I mean, he is stronger than sasuke and i would imagine with the fox in him, he would have a lot more chakra.

As far as kakashi goes, my biggest fear is the limited amount of times kakashi can use his sharingan, where obviously sasuke can use his a lot more...dunno, it would be a good match up though, especially with sasukes new take on the chidori...

edit:i did not mean to quote all of that. :P

[Dumbledore]

Well sasuke will go blind if he doesn't figure something out, and he has stated he doesn't want his brother's eyes or at that time he didn't. I would think the same would go for kakashi's MS.

[Komotion]

Well sasuke will go blind if he doesn't figure something out, and he has stated he doesn't want his brother's eyes or at that time he didn't. I would think the same would go for kakashi's MS.

Didnt itachi fix it so sasuke wouldnt go blind?

[Dumbledore]

The only way you can't go blind due to your MS that we know of is to take your brothers eyes that have MS also.

[Komotion]

well, sasuke gained all of his brothers abilities, including MS abilities, so does that mean itachi, in a way, gave him his eyes? or did he just "transfer" his abilities?

chpters out:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/457/01-02/

[Dumbledore]

^ He just transferred, however I could be wrong, I'm not exactly great at remembering exact details.

[Komotion]

Well, even if sasuke does go blind, i would think that it would take years for that to happen. I mean, it did take many years for it to affect itachi and he was using his top sharingan tech on kakashi in the chap where he showed up at the leaf village after the third hokage died. So, I would hope sasuke would be able to implement his plans well before the symptoms of blindness set in. Now, kakashis been using the sharingan for quite a while now, so if he can go blind (remember, he took the eye from obito) then he would be showing signs sooner...

[Dumbledore]

I'm really not liking Sai/Naruto conversation in the flashback. Alright chapter, but I'm really looking forward to the next chapter. 50 bucks says Naruto changes the mind of the kage which ought to be good. Figures

[Komotion]

This chapter really just felt like it held back a lot to me. And yes, naruto may not change his mind exactly, but he may convince the kage to maybe "stave off" going after sasuke so to give naruto a chance to get to him first. I could actually see a small fight scene coming up between sasuke and naruto (just to show of the difference b/t them) and then the fight getting interupted by either the kage, samurais, or danzou...

[Rollingstar]

I want some blood shed, screw Naruto's idea of "peace".

:lmao:

[I Can Has Bankai?!]

Well I now hate the raikage for being a jerk warmonger. On another note is zetsu's flytrap thing gone or is it just me?

[ikkistorm]

Well I now hate the raikage for being a jerk warmonger. On another note is zetsu's flytrap thing gone or is it just me?

its definatly gone and wtf is up with danzo i wanna know why he has the sharingan this is getting out of control 0o0

[1 up and 2 down]

Am I the only one who thinks that Mifune, the moderator for the kage meeting, could be Madara?

Madara:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/01/

Mifune:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/457/18-19/

The wrinkles on their faces look to be the same.

[Echovald]

Firstly, Itachi did in no way repair sasuke's eyes. After the events in which Itachi transferred most, if not all of his abilities to Sasuke, it displays Sasuke's damaging eye sight. This was when Sasuke and his team had just met with Madara and the akatsuki. He reaches for a cup, then his vision blurs slightly.

Secondly, Zetsu's fly trap is gone because in the manga chapters preceding this one, Zetsu split in half, with one half following Madara, and the other half following Sasuke.

And of course, I personally believe that Naruto will never kill anyone, regardless of how badly he gets beaten up. If you take a look back onto how he use to fight his enemies, he often gets pushed around, yet still stands to speak or immobilize the enemy. I am definitely sure that he will convert Sasuke back, despite how much I hate Sasuke and Naruto's handling of this predicament.

What makes me think this is so, is the fact that similar events had happened with Jiraya and Orochimaru, when Jiraya admitted he had given up on Orochimaru before his subsequent departure. Naruto will be able to do what Jiraya could not do, and that is to convert Sasuke back. Not only this, when you consider Pein's arguments on the concepts of true peace, by perpetuating war and of course, killing Sasuke as many of you have suggested, it is rather similar to what Pein had believed in.

Naruto is the child of the prophecy, and I am sure that he will steer clear of hypocracy (achieved by killing some one). I personally believe that he is idiotic and pathetic in a sense, the way he senselessly clings into a childhood friendship, an optimistic outlook that true peace can be achieved without blood shed, and above all, his conservative, diplomatic behaviour. I hope that the character is made to grow out of these fantasies, these deleriums, and have some sense knocked into his thick skull, but such an event will be highly unlikely.

The only way I can see an end to the Naruto-Sasuke conflict, is that Sasuke some how loses his eye sight, becoming immobilized and therefore, unable to use his jutsu. It would be rather ironic in a sense, him, finally being able to see sense and truth, once he loses his eye sight.

[Dumbledore]

Am I the only one who thinks that Mifune, the moderator for the kage meeting, could be Madara?

Madara:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/01/

Mifune:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/457/18-19/

The wrinkles on their faces look to be the same.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/17/

I think he looks alot different than what Madara looks like.

[Komotion]

Firstly, Itachi did in no way repair sasuke's eyes. After the events in which Itachi transferred most, if not all of his abilities to Sasuke, it displays Sasuke's damaging eye sight. This was when Sasuke and his team had just met with Madara and the akatsuki. He reaches for a cup, then his vision blurs slightly.

Secondly, Zetsu's fly trap is gone because in the manga chapters preceding this one, Zetsu split in half, with one half following Madara, and the other half following Sasuke.

And of course, I personally believe that Naruto will never kill anyone, regardless of how badly he gets beaten up. If you take a look back onto how he use to fight his enemies, he often gets pushed around, yet still stands to speak or immobilize the enemy. I am definitely sure that he will convert Sasuke back, despite how much I hate Sasuke and Naruto's handling of this predicament.

What makes me think this is so, is the fact that similar events had happened with Jiraya and Orochimaru, when Jiraya admitted he had given up on Orochimaru before his subsequent departure. Naruto will be able to do what Jiraya could not do, and that is to convert Sasuke back. Not only this, when you consider Pein's arguments on the concepts of true peace, by perpetuating war and of course, killing Sasuke as many of you have suggested, it is rather similar to what Pein had believed in.

Naruto is the child of the prophecy, and I am sure that he will steer clear of hypocracy (achieved by killing some one). I personally believe that he is idiotic and pathetic in a sense, the way he senselessly clings into a childhood friendship, an optimistic outlook that true peace can be achieved without blood shed, and above all, his conservative, diplomatic behaviour. I hope that the character is made to grow out of these fantasies, these deleriums, and have some sense knocked into his thick skull, but such an event will be highly unlikely.

The only way I can see an end to the Naruto-Sasuke conflict, is that Sasuke some how loses his eye sight, becoming immobilized and therefore, unable to use his jutsu. It would be rather ironic in a sense, him, finally being able to see sense and truth, once he loses his eye sight.

Firstly, show me the chp and page. Its not that I dont believe you, i just dont remember that part and thus I cant find it...

secondly, if someone is dead set on getting rid of the village, and naruto exhausts all other options to stop the person, then what else can he do? Allow said person to destroy the village because of his self imposed ignorance? I just cant believe that naruto would be so wrapped in his belief that he would try everything but stop short at killing. I would hope even he would go the distance, if need be...

and thirdly, after seeing how long it took itachi to really be hurt eye sight wise, I think well have a sasuke and naruto fight (and prob the series will end) well before sasuke goes blind...Though I am a big fan of irony, especially in those situations, i just dont see it happening, or see the author letting it happen...

[btill9000]

And of course, I personally believe that Naruto will never kill anyone, regardless of how badly he gets beaten up. If you take a look back onto how he use to fight his enemies, he often gets pushed around, yet still stands to speak or immobilize the enemy. I am definitely sure that he will convert Sasuke back, despite how much I hate Sasuke and Naruto's handling of this predicament.

This is because Sasuke is still technically an innocent, although he tried to lose it at a few points. At the point that Sasuke takes a life or is responsible for the taking of a life, Naruto will no longer be able to redeem him. Naruto can accept Sasuke back all he wants, but once he's killed the village wont accept him back.

[He's a Mentalist]

I am starting to dislike Naruto. HE is acting too much like a child.

[Zero-sama]

Really enjoy this chapter, asides Naruto's saving Sasuke talking crap, all was very great. Like the meeting at the end of the 5 kages. I wonder what will Gaara say in respect to this meeting and the situation.

Also like how Yamato reminded the Raikage about what they did to the Hyuga clan, that was neat, I am beginning to like more the character of Yamato and beginning to really hope that anyone can kill those Thunder Ninjas including the Raikage.

WTF Sai is gonna say what? I hope he does not fuck shit up, because he will end up in my blacklist of characters. Also I want Naruto to end up with Hinata not with that bitch of Sakura.

Also does anyone agree that the Samurais look pretty strong, strong enough to clean their asses with the ninja world out there. After all no ninja dares to enter the Land of Iron. According to the Tsuchikage, it's a land that no ninja dares to lay a hand in. It has is own particular culture, that means there are no ninja jutsus here baby, what lies here are some powerful Samurai techniques never seen or heard before. It has a strong military. I mean this Land of Iron is interesting, and is giving me a big curiosity over it to find more about it.

This chap. gets a solid 9 for me.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Firstly, show me the chp and page. Its not that I dont believe you, i just dont remember that part and thus I cant find it...

secondly, if someone is dead set on getting rid of the village, and naruto exhausts all other options to stop the person, then what else can he do? Allow said person to destroy the village because of his self imposed ignorance? I just cant believe that naruto would be so wrapped in his belief that he would try everything but stop short at killing. I would hope even he would go the distance, if need be...

and thirdly, after seeing how long it took itachi to really be hurt eye sight wise, I think well have a sasuke and naruto fight (and prob the series will end) well before sasuke goes blind...Though I am a big fan of irony, especially in those situations, i just dont see it happening, or see the author letting it happen...

http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-417-page-8.html and http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-417-page-9.html. Those two pages show him first knocking the glass of water over, and then his eye sight blurring. He uses his Mangekyou Sharingan way too much, so he eyesight is deteriorating. All Itachi did was pass on some, maybe even all, of his eye techniques into Sasuke; he didn't give him eyes. To achieve the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, you have to transplant your brother's eyes into your own. And as was mentioned before, you can't swap them, so you'll have to kill your brother and then take his eyes. That's what Madara did, too. And the only way to stop yourself from going blind with a Mangekyou Sharingan is to achieve an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

About your second paragraph, I agree to an extent, but I won't talk about that yet because I'm a bit confused. I'll talk about it on my own later on in this post.

On your third paragraph, however, all I'll say is that it's already been shown in the manga that Sasuke's eyes are weakening.

I want some blood shed, screw Naruto's idea of "peace".

:lmao:

Naruto's idea? It's not Naruto's idea. It was an idea given to him by Minato and Jiraiya. They both tried to achieve true peace, but were unable to do it, so they thought maybe Naruto will be able to succeed where they failed. Naruto knows that they believed in him, and Minato actually told him that he believes in him. Naruto's trying to uphold their ideals, their wishes. And he's also the Child of Prophecy, destined to change the World of Ninja. He's destined to bring peace, and whether anyone likes it or not, he'll do it. Yes, he's going about it all wrong, thinking he can bring peace without having to kill, and in thinking that, he's naive. The sooner he realizes that, the better, and that he'll eventually realize it.

I'm really not liking Sai/Naruto conversation in the flashback. Alright chapter, but I'm really looking forward to the next chapter. 50 bucks says Naruto changes the mind of the kage which ought to be good. Figures

This chapter really just felt like it held back a lot to me. And yes, naruto may not change his mind exactly, but he may convince the kage to maybe "stave off" going after sasuke so to give naruto a chance to get to him first. I could actually see a small fight scene coming up between sasuke and naruto (just to show of the difference b/t them) and then the fight getting interupted by either the kage, samurais, or danzou...

Um, hasn't the meeting already started? Naruto was still down on the ground when the Raikage left for the meeting. Unless they show it in a flashback, and also unless there was actually time for Naruto and the Raikage to have had a discussion about what they should do about Sasuke, I really don't think it's possible that it's going to happen like that.

And if you're thinking Naruto's going to actually barge into the meeting room, then, well, um . . . what?! I seriously doubt he'll be that dumb, no matter how hotheaded he is.

And of course, I personally believe that Naruto will never kill anyone, regardless of how badly he gets beaten up. If you take a look back onto how he use to fight his enemies, he often gets pushed around, yet still stands to speak or immobilize the enemy. I am definitely sure that he will convert Sasuke back, despite how much I hate Sasuke and Naruto's handling of this predicament.

What makes me think this is so, is the fact that similar events had happened with Jiraya and Orochimaru, when Jiraya admitted he had given up on Orochimaru before his subsequent departure. Naruto will be able to do what Jiraya could not do, and that is to convert Sasuke back. Not only this, when you consider Pein's arguments on the concepts of true peace, by perpetuating war and of course, killing Sasuke as many of you have suggested, it is rather similar to what Pein had believed in.

Naruto is the child of the prophecy, and I am sure that he will steer clear of hypocracy (achieved by killing some one). I personally believe that he is idiotic and pathetic in a sense, the way he senselessly clings into a childhood friendship, an optimistic outlook that true peace can be achieved without blood shed, and above all, his conservative, diplomatic behaviour. I hope that the character is made to grow out of these fantasies, these deleriums, and have some sense knocked into his thick skull, but such an event will be highly unlikely.

The only way I can see an end to the Naruto-Sasuke conflict, is that Sasuke some how loses his eye sight, becoming immobilized and therefore, unable to use his jutsu. It would be rather ironic in a sense, him, finally being able to see sense and truth, once he loses his eye sight.

I agree mostly, except I actually do think Naruto's going to eventually realize that he still has to kill in order to achieve true peace.

Also, just thought I'd point that he's actually killed someone before: Mizuki.

Really enjoy this chapter, asides Naruto's saving Sasuke talking crap, all was very great. Like the meeting at the end of the 5 kages. I wonder what will Gaara say in respect to this meeting and the situation.

Also like how Yamato reminded the Raikage about what they did to the Hyuga clan, that was neat, I am beginning to like more the character of Yamato and beginning to really hope that anyone can kill those Thunder Ninjas including the Raikage.

WTF Sai is gonna say what? I hope he does not fuck shit up, because he will end up in my blacklist of characters. Also I want Naruto to end up with Hinata not with that bitch of Sakura.

Also does anyone agree that the Samurais look pretty strong, strong enough to clean their asses with the ninja world out there. After all no ninja dares to enter the Land of Iron. According to the Tsuchikage, it's a land that no ninja dares to lay a hand in. It has is own particular culture, that means there are no ninja jutsus here baby, what lies here are some powerful Samurai techniques never seen or heard before. It has a strong military. I mean this Land of Iron is interesting, and is giving me a big curiosity over it to find more about it.

This chap. gets a solid 9 for me.

Agreed completely, except that I'd be OK with either Sakura or Hinata ending up with Naruto, though I'd much prefer it if it were Sakura.

And, no, Rollingstar, I seriously doubt Sakura knows how Naruto feels. To me, all of the times Naruto asked her out on a date have been mostly casual and absolutely not serious. I therefore doubt Sakura realizes that Naruto actually does love her. I mean, if Naruto has never seriously told her how he feels about her, then how the heck is she going to know? What, is she a freaking mind-reader?

[x-Battousai-x]

Really nice chapter. Although it might have been a little boring to see Naruto plead again and again, it was still some good progression. I wonder, when or if Naruto will finally give up the nice-guy approach and try a more violent approach? Maybe not to the point where he kills someone but until he can beat some sense into them. I think that kind of goes against everything though. I dunno. I sort of look at Naruto as if he were Gandhi in a way. Very peaceful, against the cycle of revenge, but still able to defend himself in a physical confrontation.

I just don't see him getting very far with this continual pleading. It might have worked with people in Konoha, cause' well, most have a similar belief system. With people outside of the Konoha, mainly the Raikage, I don't see shit going for Naruto until he gets his hands dirty. At most what can he do? Danzou pretty much wants Naruto to be his bitch, and the only one their Naruto really knows is Gaara.

Side thought:
Maybe Danzou ordered the Uchiha massacre so he would be the only one with the Sharingan? Hoping that Itachi would just eventually wane off. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the Anbu ROOT members having a Sharingan either.

All in all, a really great chapter. Setting up for a lot of things to go on. So the Raikage is going to tell everyone what Sasuke did, and ask everyone to hunt him down as well. He is a part of Akatsuki, according to the information that the Raikage has. An obvious reaction would be that of Danzou's, we know he wants Sasuke dead. What about Gaara? I don't see Gaara holding a grudge against Sasuke for smacking him around a little in the Chounen exam. As for the rest of the characters I don't think anyone would be able to tell. Which just sets up the next chapter to be really great. The Kage's might be funny and loving on the outside, but when shit hits the fan I'm sure they can get serious.

Just one quick question, for everyone out there. No one really knows that Madara Uchiha is the real leader of Akatsuki. So, does Akatsuki really become a threat now that the "leader" has been taken care of by Naruto? It's just a few rogue ninjas, with team Hawk included. I wonder how the Kage's will assess that information.

Anyway, once again - great chapter. 9/10.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Really nice chapter. Although it might have been a little boring to see Naruto plead again and again, it was still some good progression. I wonder, when or if Naruto will finally give up the nice-guy approach and try a more violent approach? Maybe not to the point where he kills someone but until he can beat some sense into them. I think that kind of goes against everything though. I dunno. I sort of look at Naruto as if he were Gandhi in a way. Very peaceful, against the cycle of revenge, but still able to defend himself in a physical confrontation.

Agreed completely, except that I don't really think it's that bad if Naruto knocks some sense into his enemies but only kills when he absolutely has to (referring to the bold-faced sentence).

I just don't see him getting very far with this continual pleading. It might have worked with people in Konoha, cause' well, most have a similar belief system. With people outside of the Konoha, mainly the Raikage, I don't see shit going for Naruto until he gets his hands dirty. At most what can he do? Danzou pretty much wants Naruto to be his bitch, and the only one their Naruto really knows is Gaara.

Again, agreed completely, only that, even though most of us, including myself, hates Danzou, he's still trying to protect Naruto by keeping him in the village. But even then, that's also not a very good and/or smart thing to do, since Naruto can defend himself now and can actually take body guards with him if he needs to (I mean, didn't he go with Kakashi and Yamato this time? Not that they're really his body guards, but still).

Side thought:
Maybe Danzou ordered the Uchiha massacre so he would be the only one with the Sharingan? Hoping that Itachi would just eventually wane off. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the Anbu ROOT members having a Sharingan either.

I agree with all but the bold-faced part. I mean, really, wouldn't it kind of repetitive if almost everyone, or even, just, everyone in Root has a Sharignan, implanted or otherwise (though, how many more members of the Uchiha Clan could have survived from the Massacre other than Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke?)?

All in all, a really great chapter. Setting up for a lot of things to go on. So the Raikage is going to tell everyone what Sasuke did, and ask everyone to hunt him down as well. He is a part of Akatsuki, according to the information that the Raikage has. An obvious reaction would be that of Danzou's, we know he wants Sasuke dead. What about Gaara? I don't see Gaara holding a grudge against Sasuke for smacking him around a little in the Chounen exam. As for the rest of the characters I don't think anyone would be able to tell. Which just sets up the next chapter to be really great. The Kage's might be funny and loving on the outside, but when shit hits the fan I'm sure they can get serious.

I completely agree here.

Just one quick question, for everyone out there. No one really knows that Madara Uchiha is the real leader of Akatsuki. So, does Akatsuki really become a threat now that the "leader" has been taken care of by Naruto? It's just a few rogue ninjas, with team Hawk included. I wonder how the Kage's will assess that information.

Good point. Only, did Samui tell the Raikage about Naruto having defeated Pain? Heck, does she herself know? Maybe she doesn't, and all she knows is that he's a hero and that the entire Konohagakure is talking about him.

[btill9000]

WTF Sai is gonna say what? I hope he does not fuck shit up, because he will end up in my blacklist of characters. Also I want Naruto to end up with Hinata not with that bitch of Sakura.

Eh, I am looking forward to what happens after Sai tells Sakura that Naruto is in love with her. IMO, this is better than having Naruto confess his love for Sakura as she dies or something cliche' like that.


Also like how Yamato reminded the Raikage about what they did to the Hyuga clan, that was neat, I am beginning to like more the character of Yamato and beginning to really hope that anyone can kill those Thunder Ninjas including the Raikage.


I really want to know more about what happened. I don't know the time frame, but I do think that the Uchiha's would've still been alive when this happened. Why did they go after the Byakugan rather than the Sharingan? As far as we know, the sharingan is more powerful and judging by Kakashi and Danzo, easier to extract. When Pain attacked , they specifically stated the Hiashi Hyuga was out of the village, and they put Neji off on some random mission. Kishi made sure that both high level Byakugan users were away.


Naruto's idea? It's not Naruto's idea. It was an idea given to him by Minato and Jiraiya. They both tried to achieve true peace, but were unable to do it, so they thought maybe Naruto will be able to succeed where they failed.


Yeh but hopefully Naruto will eventually find out that they want him to achieve peace, but not by running around bowing and getting his ass kicked all the time. If thats what they wanted then they wouldn't have put a demon fox inside of him granting him enormous power.

[Zero-sama]

Eh, I am looking forward to what happens after Sai tells Sakura that Naruto is in love with her. IMO, this is better than having Naruto confess his love for Sakura as she dies or something cliche' like that.

I completely agree here. I said I didn't want Sai to tell her all that crap, but I am waiting forward to Sakura's reaction. I hope she says that she sees Naruto only as a friend.

I really want to know more about what happened. I don't know the time frame, but I do think that the Uchiha's would've still been alive when this happened. Why did they go after the Byakugan rather than the Sharingan? As far as we know, the sharingan is more powerful and judging by Kakashi and Danzo, easier to extract. When Pain attacked , they specifically stated the Hiashi Hyuga was out of the village, and they put Neji off on some random mission. Kishi made sure that both high level Byakugan users were away.

-When Neji's father died he was 32 years old, and when Neji's uncle (hinata's dad) appeared in the finals of the chunin exam arc, he had 41-42 years. Since Neiji's father's death, it has been let's say 10 years and when Neji fought Naruto he was 13-14 years old. So when Neji's dad died he was 4 years old. Neji is older than Sasuke by one year, and the Uchiha incident occurred when Sasuke was 7 years old, so that explains that the whole Hyuga incident that happen with the cloud village was before the Uchiha massacre. Why? When Nei's dad got killed he was approximately 4 years old, when the Uchiha massacre occurred, Sasuke was 7 years old, and Neji is older than Sasuke. So it did happen before the Uchiha massacre.

-They went after the Byakugan because IMO they knew it's the original Dojutsu between the sharingan and the byakugan. Some say the sharingan originated or is a genetic offshot of the Byakugan. Also the Byakugan does not have a side effect like the Sharingan has.

-With medical ninjutsu you can extract the Byakugan the same way you can extract the Sharingan from an Uchiha.

-The last line I bolded in your post is because you stated a great point in the Pain event. When both highly if not the best Byakugan users are not there at that moment, that can mean something. Maybe The Hyuga could counterattacked Pain in some way. Kishi didn't want them there because of the development in the character of Naruto. But who knows Kishi's really intentions, but interesting point you mark there, really interesting. This could even be an interesting debate or theory in a Byakugan and Rinnegan thread.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Eh, I am looking forward to what happens after Sai tells Sakura that Naruto is in love with her. IMO, this is better than having Naruto confess his love for Sakura as she dies or something cliche' like that.

Exactly. And I'll say again that I'm OK with Naruto ending up with either Sakura or Hinata, but I'll like it better if it's Sakura.

Yeh but hopefully Naruto will eventually find out that they want him to achieve peace, but not by running around bowing and getting his ass kicked all the time. If thats what they wanted then they wouldn't have put a demon fox inside of him granting him enormous power.

I feel the same way. I did say that, in a different way probably, so I'm hoping you're just reiterating what I said. [I've said more than once that Naruto needs to realize that to achieve true peace, he'd still have to take some lives.]

[Mjaut]

Sasuke - revenge

Naruto - fights against it

Dunno, find it interesting.

[x-Battousai-x]

Does anyone else think that the Raikage wants to hunt down Sasuke for the sharingan. I mean, he did want the Byakugan, I guess the Sharingan is the second best thing. Perhaps he was using Killerbee's kidnapping as an excuse?

Seriously though, the Sharingan has been passed around this series like herpes.

By the way, what the hell is Killerbee up to? I'm sure if he shows up sooner or later that the other Kage's might dismiss the execution orders. Why would they follow through with it if K-Bee is still alive with the 8-Tails intact? Does it really make sense for them just to believe the Raikage? Like I said above, he was trying to start shit by stealing the Byakugan. If Bee shows up I really feel Danzou's whack ass will start a war.

That's also assuming Sasuke doesn't make his presence known to all the Kage's when he attempts his assassination on Danzou. Most likely, Danzou will defeat him in anyway. Even if/when Danzou does defeat him, I'm sure he wouldn't alert the other Kage's if it meant he had a chance at war. I just get this feeling that Danzou is a war hungry prick.

A lot of assumptions but it's just a theory.

[He's a Mentalist]

Naruto might go over the edge if Sauske is killed and then Killerbee shows up and says, "well i wanted to get caught by the kid so I could escape!" Naruto's love for Sauske is much greater than his love for Jiraya (sp?). I think it might send him overboard...

But, wouldn't this also relate to the spoilers that were posted a long time ago by Terabane? That Killerbee will start a war involving Kohana?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Does anyone else think that the Raikage wants to hunt down Sasuke for the sharingan. I mean, he did want the Byakugan, I guess the Sharingan is the second best thing. Perhaps he was using Killerbee's kidnapping as an excuse?

Seriously though, the Sharingan has been passed around this series like herpes.

It's a good theory, even though it might have some holes--might.

And, lol, yeah, that's true about the Sharingan in the last sentence.

By the way, what the hell is Killerbee up to? I'm sure if he shows up sooner or later that the other Kage's might dismiss the execution orders. Why would they follow through with it if K-Bee is still alive with the 8-Tails intact? Does it really make sense for them just to believe the Raikage? Like I said above, he was trying to start shit by stealing the Byakugan. If Bee shows up I really feel Danzou's whack ass will start a war.

Yeah, good point. If Killer Bee shows up, they'll have no reason to maintain the execution orders. But Killer Bee will probably not show up in time. something tells me that Kishi wants to make this suspenseful, so he's going to then "conveniently" keep Killer Bee away for a while.

That's also assuming Sasuke doesn't make his presence known to all the Kage's when he attempts his assassination on Danzou. Most likely, Danzou will defeat him in anyway. Even if/when Danzou does defeat him, I'm sure he wouldn't alert the other Kage's if it meant he had a chance at war. I just get this feeling that Danzou is a war hungry prick.

I feel the same way about Danzou. Lol.

Edit: Naruto might go over the edge if Sauske is killed and then Killerbee shows up and says, "well i wanted to get caught by the kid so I could escape!" Naruto's love for Sauske is much greater than his love for Jiraya (sp?). I think it might send him overboard...

Agreed completely.

[BigBoogerBot]

I think its still to early for Naruto to go over the edge. He almost did when Hinata was almost killed and we got a glimpse at the 8th tail form. If Sasuke died it would end up being the 9th tail for sure, but I think it will be Sasuke who saves Naruto from being consumed by the 9th tail or something like that.

So I dont think Sasuke will die.

[btill9000]

-When Neji's father died he was 32 years old, and when Neji's uncle (hinata's dad) appeared in the finals of the chunin exam arc, he had 41-42 years. Since Neiji's father's death, it has been let's say 10 years and when Neji fought Naruto he was 13-14 years old. So when Neji's dad died he was 4 years old. Neji is older than Sasuke by one year, and the Uchiha incident occurred when Sasuke was 7 years old, so that explains that the whole Hyuga incident that happen with the cloud village was before the Uchiha massacre. Why? When Nei's dad got killed he was approximately 4 years old, when the Uchiha massacre occurred, Sasuke was 7 years old, and Neji is older than Sasuke. So it did happen before the Uchiha massacre.

Thanks for the proof. Impressive lol.


-They went after the Byakugan because IMO they knew it's the original Dojutsu between the sharingan and the byakugan. Some say the sharingan originated or is a genetic offshot of the Byakugan. Also the Byakugan does not have a side effect like the Sharingan has.

-With medical ninjutsu you can extract the Byakugan the same way you can extract the Sharingan from an Uchiha.

This is probably true, but still it seems like people have had more success with acquiring a sharingan.


-The last line I bolded in your post is because you stated a great point in the Pain event. When both highly if not the best Byakugan users are not there at that moment, that can mean something. Maybe The Hyuga could counterattacked Pain in some way. Kishi didn't want them there because of the development in the character of Naruto. But who knows Kishi's really intentions, but interesting point you mark there, really interesting. This could even be an interesting debate or theory in a Byakugan and Rinnegan thread.

Yeh that occured to me immediately. He didn't make us assume they weren't out of the village. He stated it directly that both of them were away. I expect that the Byakugan will be a big role in things upcoming.

[x-Battousai-x]

Sasuke doesn't have to die for Naruto to go overboard. He could just get really f'ed up, lose a few limbs maybe. I'm sure that would set Naruto off big time. Especially if Sasuke is all brother-brother with Naruto when it happens.

I can imagine that happening. Sasuke finally realising his mistakes but a little too late for him to apologise to the Ninja World.

So does everyone agree that whatever may happen at the meeting is going to start a war for Konoha? Is there a different point of view?

If there was a war, who would side with who? Sand + Leaf? I know Gaara is Naruto's boy, so that's a set alliance. What about the Mist? I mean, Naruto did help em' out when he was a kid, but I doubt that's enough to create an alliance. Cloud is obviously against Konoha, and for the other village (blanking out on the name) we don't know their deal.

Thoughts?

[Zero-sama]

Yeh that occured to me immediately. He didn't make us assume they weren't out of the village. He stated it directly that both of them were away. I expect that the Byakugan will be a big role in things upcoming.

I completely agree with you, because we have seen a lot and I mean a lot from the Sharingan, but what about the Byakugan? only just two canon fights, I believe also like you stated that the Byakugan will have a big role in the future.



If there was a war, who would side with who? Sand + Leaf? I know Gaara is Naruto's boy, so that's a set alliance. What about the Mist? I mean, Naruto did help em' out when he was a kid, but I doubt that's enough to create an alliance. Cloud is obviously against Konoha, and for the other village (blanking out on the name) we don't know their deal.

Thoughts?

-Well we know like you said that Sand and Leaf are together, because of the whole Naruto and Gaara friend relationship they have, BUT remember there is a new Hokage in town, so let's see if Danzo can either destroy or keep that alliance. That's why I can't say right now that's a set alliance.

-What about the Myst? Well they seem ninjas that can establish a great alliance with Konoha, but we have Suigetsu from Sasuke's team. Suigetsu, a guy that has in agenda to collect all the swords of The Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist, even if it means killing them. We all know that Sasuke and his team are most wanted right know so I don't see that alliance coming together because The Mist Village might know or will find out that Sasuke is from Konoha.

-Completely agree with you, that the Cloud village is against Konoha right now. But we all know that Naruto has a special gift. What gift? He is a person that changes peoples heart and creates new friends out of it, like we have seen before, because of his personality and his way of being a ninja. So I believe that he can change the relationship between The Cloud village and Konoha.

-The other village's name is The Village Hidden in the Rocks or in Japanese Iwagakure. Exactly like you said we don't know their deal. But they are the first ones to mention to us that The Land of Iron is run by Samurais and is indeed powerful. The Tsuchikage looks like a cool old guy, maybe the Rock village can set an alliance with Konoha.

NOW the real problem lies here, Konoha having a new Hokage, Danzo. We all know he is not a good guy. So all this stuff about setting alliances with Konoha will depend on him for the moment, and right now every Kage is at that big meeting. So in other words if Konoha wants to establish alliances with who ever might be, it will all depend on Danzo. Maybe the guy is fucking nuts and says I declare war with every village or maybe he joins the Cloud village or some random village no one is expecting, in the end with the plan and purpose to control and manipulate them the same way he has done with Konoha so far. Seriously we know and he knows that it will not be beneficial for him if he does not set an alliance with any village aside from The Sand Village, right now Konoha is pretty fucked up after the huge Pain invasion. But most importantly he needs help to track Kabuto, in order to gain Orochimaru's data book so he can restore his eye and hand, and also to eliminate Kabuto because Kabuto might know the relationship Danzo and Orochimaru had. But like stated before the guy is not good and he is also the new Hokage, so let's see what Danzo has in store for Konoha.



Seriously though, the Sharingan has been passed around this series like herpes.

OMG seriously you have made my day with that line. LMAO.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, the alliances largely depend on Danzou right now, especially the ones that are already there, including the one with the Sand Village. And Naruto has also befriended Konan, leader of the Rain Village. It also depends on Danzou whether he wants to maintain that alliance.

And, yeah, I too really want to see what happens with the Byakugan. Just like you guys, I too see something happening with that in the future.

[Infinitekaos]

Well, a lot of you are talking about Konoha's alliances with other villages which is valid and relies entirely on Danzo as many have stated.

However, when the sh!t really hits the fan, it may not be Konoha's alliances with other villages that count. It may be Naruto's alliances that count. Naruto may end up in opposition to Danzo at some point in the future. I think we can assume that Gaara will support Naruto no matter what. And seeing as he is the Kazekage, the entire Sand Village will be behind Naruto. Naruto probably has the support of the Hidden Rain with Konan as well. And we'll add into that nearly half of Konoha as his support.

I can't forsee what will happen with Hidden Cloud just yet, it might depend on this Kage meeting.

[btill9000]

^Yeh but Naruto loses half of his most important alliances if Sasuke screws around and actually manages to kill somebody important. Who could support Naruto in opposition to Danzou and the Raikage, if Sasuke proves that they are right about Sasuke needing to be put down(like old yeller.)

[x-Battousai-x]

^Yeh but Naruto loses half of his most important alliances if Sasuke screws around and actually manages to kill somebody important. Who could support Naruto in opposition to Danzou and the Raikage, if Sasuke proves that they are right about Sasuke needing to be put down(like old yeller.)

Well Naruto does have a point in "If you kill him, then we kill you, then you kill us, then we kill you more, and you kill us more". The whole, revenge cycle speech. I'm sure others will want peace as well. A peace acquired through a means of peace and not violence. Either way kids are gonna fight and die.

[1 up and 2 down]

Danzou isn't going to start a war yet, it would be suicide to his career as Hokage if he did. If you guys remember Danzou still hasn't been voted Hokage by the Jounins yet. If he started a war there is no way he would be voted in as the Hokage.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Danzou isn't going to start a war yet, it would be suicide to his career as Hokage if he did. If you guys remember Danzou still hasn't been voted Hokage by the Jounins yet. If he started a war there is no way he would be voted in as the Hokage.

True. Which is why I said he needs to appear as much politically righteous as possible, so that he can garner all of the votes over to his side. Naruto needs to therefore beat him to the punch and get all the votes for the Third's lineage, which he himself is part of.

Well Naruto does have a point in "If you kill him, then we kill you, then you kill us, then we kill you more, and you kill us more". The whole, revenge cycle speech. I'm sure others will want peace as well. A peace acquired through a means of peace and not violence. Either way kids are gonna fight and die.

QFT.

Sasuke is already onto Madara, too, like I said before. All we need now is for someone to prove to him that his suspicions are right, and also that Madara really was the one who was controlling the Kyuubi 16 years ago when it attacked Konoha. That should be enough to get Sasuke and Naruto to team up against Madara. Either that or Sasuke should be made to see, also, that Madara told him half truths. He wants to avenge and revive the Uchiha Clan, and he needs to realize that he doesn't need to go all this way just to do that. Karin or Sakura are two choices he has for a girl to revive the Uchiha Clan with. Either come back to Konoha and court Sakura which is bound to work, or stay with Hawk and marry Karin.

[djray]

i want to know how powerful is gaara...without the shukakku how powerful will he be

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I know he must have trained like crazy and should be a lot more powerful now, and also, if a Bijuu really forces the Host to subconsciously hold back its chakra using most of his/her own chakra ("its" being the Bijuu), then that, too, should make Gaara be stronger than he was with the Shuukaku, if anything.

[Mjaut]

Wait, you really believe we'll see Sasuke marrying someone?



But, when I think about it, who could think that Vegeta will marry Bulma, so maybe it's possible...