Naruto 459 Discussion

[Incubus]

Since Infinitekaos posted the spoilers, we may as well discuss the newest chapter here..

pretty interesting chapter..

Ao ( Mizukages attendant ) seems to have the Byakugan under his eyepatch. Since he just sees this flow under his right eye and arm, I guess Danzou transplanted both of them. ( Btw, Uchiha Shisui is the guy Itachi killed; they were best friends, he was said to be drown, etc )

Wow at Danzou controlling peoples minds..

[Infinitekaos]

Yea, it wouldn't let me start this thread for some reason. The forums have been acting funny lately.

Everyone seems to be stealing doujutsu's lately. And this chapter might also put to bed the whole Madara = Danzo = Obito theories out there.

[El Diablo]

Yea, it wouldn't let me start this thread for some reason. The forums have been acting funny lately.

Everyone seems to be stealing doujutsu's lately. And this chapter might also put to bed the whole Madara = Danzo = Obito theories out there.

If these spoilers turn out to be true, then Ao having the Byakugan could be interesting. Not to sound like one of the Madara = Danzo= Obito theorist, but I'm banking on the Mizukage having the other eye.

Either way, I wonder how the Hyuuga Clan, mainly Neji will take this bit of information once/if-ever they see Ao (When they find out he better be glad he's not a Cloud Ninja).

Now on to Danzou.
It would kind of make sense that he would take a Sharingan eye from one of the strongest Uchiha. Maybe Itachi was telling the truth to the clan when he said he didn't kill Shisui (Danzou you sly dog you:ninja:).

Danzou may have lost his eye during the Third Great Ninja War and arm during his visit to the Rain Country when Nagato was going crazy :guns:.

Killing Shisui, then making it seem like Itachi did it, would be brilliant because he was already planning on making Itachi kill the clan, raising suspicion on Itachi would draw the attention away from himself and/or Root. Not to mention the powers stated by the spoilers would have to have been used on the Wood ninja's and Mifune. Seems like Danzou may get what he his seeking, that is if Sasuke doesn't kill him first (which he won't succeed at the first go-round).

[camarofan2008]

wow is all I can say so far but I wait to later when we get some more information before throwing my 2 cents into this one. But if they are true then everything just took another twisty turn.

[He's a Mentalist]

This chapter actually looks good from what I gathered from the spoilers.

[Infinitekaos]

If Danzo got his Sharingan from Shisui and Itachi supposedly killed Shisui to get his MS, what exactly happened to Shisui? Did Danzo get to him first? Did Danzo pluck the eye from Shisui after Itachi had already killed him?

This is kind of an interesting development.

[El Diablo]

Finally, we get a picture of how Shisui looks, it's been what, about 3-4 years now!?

He has feminine eyes and curly hair!?
Itachi's lover!?
:jk:

[BigBoogerBot]

Wow Zetsu is pretty bold to move into the middle of a room with 5 kages and numerous high class Jounin and Kankuro. At least if thats what happened.

[yaWgnorW]

So it seems its possible that Danzo setup Itachi. Like already stated, Itachi was under suspicion and being watched, which also could have been Danzos doing. Either Itachi didn't kill Shisui and Danzo had something to do with it, or Danzo knew that Itachi would have to kill Shisui and would still benifit from it, and put Itachi against his clan even more so.

[BigBoogerBot]

Well Itachi got the Mangekyou from killing Shisui didnt he?

Btw that 6 tails pic looks awesome. Er naruto with 6 tails i think?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Well Itachi got the Mangekyou from killing Shisui didnt he?

As I was going to say as a reply to Infinitekaos' post about this: It could actually have been that Danzou killed him and made it look like Itachi did it, and since Itachi was actually there and bore witness, it could in turn have caused him to awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan. I mean, hell, we're not even really sure if you have to actually be the one who kills the person closest to you, or if you just have to have witnessed or experienced said death. If you do actually kill that person, then you will also have witnessed it, right?

Btw that 6 tails pic looks awesome. Er naruto with 6 tails i think?

Yes, it's Naruto in Six-Tail form.

And, yeah, these spoilers, if they're actually true which they just might be, have pretty much butchered those theories about Danzo being Madara or Obito, or of Madara, Danzou and Obito being the same person, since it proves that Danzou's Sharingan eye and right arm have both been transplanted are not originally his own.

Also, I already did know Danzou is up to no good and that he's freaking evil, but this is actually going beyond that, almost. So he actually manipulated Mifune to make him leader of the 5-Village Alliance? The sneaky little SOB . . . !

[Dumbledore]

Yeah the whole Danzou = Madara theory is really losing momentum. Danzou is crazy evil though if he killed someone for the sharingan.

[Infinitekaos]

As I was going to say as a reply to Infinitekaos' post about this: It could actually have been that Danzou killed him and made it look like Itachi did it, and since Itachi was actually there and bore witness, it could in turn have caused him to awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan. I mean, hell, we're not even really sure if you have to actually be the one who kills the person closest to you, or if you just have to have witnessed or experienced said death. If you do actually kill that person, then you will also have witnessed it, right?

Exactly what I was thinking. Look, we know Kakashi has the Mangekyou Sharingan and that he probably did not kill his best friend over the time skip to get it. It has been a matter of debate for some time as to how Kakashi actually awakened his MS if you did have to kill your best friend to get it.

However, we do know that all of Kakashi's closest bonds are dead. He watched Obito die in front of his eyes, and I can only imagine the same thing might have happened to Rin. If just the pain of losing your closest bond is enough to awaken it, then something like that might have lead to Kakashi to awaken his.

Which leads me to Itachi. Maybe he killed Shisui, maybe he just witnessed it happening. We know now for a fact Danzo has his eye. Who knows how he got it. I'm just curious about that story now. Itachi lied about a lot of things to make Sasuke believe he was a criminal. Maybe he also lied about killing Shisui. If he had told Sasuke that he saw Danzo killing Shisui, Sasuke would have probably charged straight into Root HQ and tried to kill Danzo and gotten killed himself.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

^Yes, that's a great point. And you're right, I too am curious about what really happened now.

By the way, guys, in the spoiler Sakura is saying, "That idiot still likes me . . . " keyword here being still. So, she always knew he loved her, but was actually now under the impression that he no longer did? And what does she want to talk to Naruto about? Is she going to tell him that she's taking back what she said about bringing Sasuke back to Konoha, or is it something else?

[xPyrox]

By the way, guys, in the spoiler Sakura is saying, "That idiot still likes me . . . " keyword here being still. So, she always knew he loved her, but was actually now under the impression that he no longer did? And what does she want to talk to Naruto about? Is she going to tell him that she's taking back what she said about bringing Sasuke back to Konoha, or is it something else?

Her saying 'that idiot still likes me' doesn't mean she knows anthing.
She knew he used to like her before the time skip.
So to find out he still likes her doesn't mean
He likes her
He doesnt like her
He likes her.

He just likes her from part 1 to part 2.
I imagine she does want to talk to him about Sasuke, considering what Shikamaru just said, I expect a few more things to come up in that conversation too..

[Dumbledore]

I become more depressed as each new chapter comes out. Prediction - Naruto and Sakura will talk about ramen.

[El Diablo]

Her saying 'that idiot still likes me' doesn't mean she knows anthing.
She knew he used to like her before the time skip.
So to find out he still likes her doesn't mean
He likes her
He doesnt like her
He likes her.

He just likes her from part 1 to part 2.
I imagine she does want to talk to him about Sasuke, considering what Shikamaru just said, I expect a few more things to come up in that conversation too..

I rated this chapter a 10/10 even though it has not came up yet, for the simple fact of seeing Shisui after about 5 years of wandering what he looks like:cussing:, Madara setting Sasuke up to fail:muaha:, Zetsu crashing the shin-dig:rockin:, and Shikamaru telling it how it is:rockin::bow:.

With things unfolding the way they are we are all in for a battle royal:popcorn:, and Sasuke damn-well better take Itachi's eyes or he is going to become a corpse if he doesn't soon:skull::bones:.

[btill9000]

It's something that I've been pushing for quite a while. I think that we are finally getting evidence that a Byakugan user is not effected by genjutsu or at the very least it's much less effective against them.

[Mjaut]

It's out.

[Komotion]

I think mifu and danzou are working together. I mean, i understand danzou could have manipulated his mind, but if he did that, then why didnt he manipulate the others minds aswell? plus, he never looked into mifus eyes to initiate the sharingan (or atleast i didnt see him pull back the bandage. I believe mifune has either has the byakugan (thus he wouldnt be affected by danzou) or also has a sharingan, too. I mean, hes gotta be hiding something under those bandages. Plus he was way to quirk to defend his reasonsing behind giving danzou all the power. And, im sure some would say "well, if he wasnt under mind control, then why would he nominate himself since hes neutral?" and i think he didnt because even though he isnt affected my danzou's ability, and prob has his own hidden ability, he still knows danzou has the most power and could kick his ass and probably everyone elses too. (if his sharingan can manipulate, then wouldnt that mean he could control the nine tailed? I bet they were all wrong and it was danzou who did that 16 yrs ago)...btw, sry for my gramm and confusing way of wording and typing, i am so tired right now so if i dont make sense, just tell me....

[btill9000]

LOL it would be absolutely great to see someone that has managed to steal a Byakugan and a Sharingan.

[Infinitekaos]

It's something that I've been pushing for quite a while. I think that we are finally getting evidence that a Byakugan user is not effected by genjutsu or at the very least it's much less effective against them.

I don't know if that's a true statement. Just because he fought Shisui and/or was resistant to his mind manipulation doesn't mean a Byakugan user is immune to genjutsu. Are we even sure this mind dojutsu is a Genjutsu?

Also, maybe the mind jutsu of Shisui only works against people either weaker than the jutsu user or with a weak resolve. I don't think Kage's would be easily manipulated so he probably is using Mifune.

@ Komotion. I doubt Mifune has any sort of dojutsu. He lives in the land of Iron without ninjas. They use samari. I don't think he has a Byakugan or Sharingan. He is just being manipulated by Danzo.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I don't know if that's a true statement. Just because he fought Shisui and/or was resistant to his mind manipulation doesn't mean a Byakugan user is immune to genjutsu. Are we even sure this mind dojutsu is a Genjutsu?

Also, maybe the mind jutsu of Shisui only works against people either weaker than the jutsu user or with a weak resolve. I don't think Kage's would be easily manipulated so he probably is using Mifune.

@ Komotion. I doubt Mifune has any sort of dojutsu. He lives in the land of Iron without ninjas. They use samari. I don't think he has a Byakugan or Sharingan. He is just being manipulated by Danzo.

Yeah, I think you're right about Mifune being manipulated and not having any doujutsu since he lives in the Land of Iron which is a country without ninjas.

And, yeah, maybe it's only that Shisui could only manipulate people who are weaker than him or have a weak resolve. But it could really be anything, so we'll see.

About the manipulation technique itself though, yeah, we don't really know if it's a genjutsu or not, but it might be.

[abraham714]

Well, its out, and I couldn't be happier with what happened. Danzo got called out in front of everyone by Ao and was almost exposed but the white half of Zetsu showed up saving him. It would of been better if he had to show the sharingan and we had some sort of reaction from the neutral leader. The way madara is using sasuke too, using zetsu to make them ready and frantic, is great. Other than Sakura taking up 6 pages for nothing, I give the part on 5 the kages a 10

[Komotion]

LOL it would be absolutely great to see someone that has managed to steal a Byakugan and a Sharingan.

that would be one bad ass mf to have to deal with...
Introducing:
Shariakugan-man:sman:
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:huh:
Cause you know someone will end up having both (:suspicious:) and that person might be mandara...:rollseyes:

i tried to make a face but it didnt work out, but the x is the byuakugan and the @ is the sharingan...aww f*** it...

[Mjaut]

Is there some posibility that "Konoha's kids" will have some new power up soon?

[arishkegal]

I rated this a 9/10 chapter, just for the anticipation for the next chapter's battle. A whole bunch of furniture movin' in this meeting. Shikamaru is doing the right thing, he is taking the role of the leader of the Konoha 11. Sasuke is nothing but trouble, doing everything that Itachi hoped he wouldn't do, except maybe try to kill Danzou. But even then, he is doing that while being manipulated by Madara, and will try to ruin Konoha as a result. Oh well.

I guess the Sasuke fangirls of the village are having a hard time right about now....

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

pretty good chapter..enjoyable...seems to be picking up now

[lurch]

I was happy with this chapter
The friendly hello at the end was a nice touch.
An Eye transplant seem to be a routine procedure now days. what the hell?

[Nocturne' Ichigo]

^^yea i thought the same thing...smh

[Paragon]

Yeah stealing eyes seems to the be the trend of 2009. Keeping your own eyes must be so 1999 or something.

Zetsu is awesome. I loved that "Hellooooo" at the end and the reaction that went with it. Glad Kishi hasn't killed him off yet. I was also reminded why i like Shikimaru's character in this chapter, finally some sense was spoken to Sakura about Sasuke.

[OMGLOLBBQ]

Well, that was pretty cool.

At first I thought this was a boring chapter, with nothing but whining about Sasuke. But then we moved onto the Kage meeting, and that made up for the last 10 pages or so. :D

Wow, poor guy. Killed by Itachi, ripped apart by Danzou.

Also, I think Zetsu's only a distraction. Since everyone's facing him, a sweep of Sasuke's chakra blade might take out a few of them.

Finally, next time I beat someone, remind me to steal their eye. Since that's the 'in' thing this season.

[TW501]

I found this to be an enjoyable chapter. There was plenty of development, and it was well paced. That's one of the things I like about the Naruto manga over the Bleach manga, it's much better paced and the chapters seem a lot longer, even if they're the same number of pages. As I said, this was a great chapter. The ending was funny too. "Helloooooo!!!"

[Lnrd]

That chapter was awesome 10/10. Zetsu's hello reminds of that Family Guy episode with the Asian dude from Star Trek. And, I love the resolve that Shikamaru and Co. are showing, even if they kind of went over board with it. I mean seriously, they think they can take down Akatsuki and Sasuke? They need to be a little bit more realistic.

On another note:

Why does Kishi keep changing the drawing of Madara's eye. The most recent one and another looks just like Danzou's. This shit is confusing.:confused: Is Madara really Danzou or not? Come on Kishi.

Danzou's Sharingan
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Madara's Sharingan- Chpt. 395, pg. 17
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Madara's Sharingan- Current Chpt.
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Madara's Sharingan- Chapter 397, pg. 2
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[Salavex-02]

About the whole eye stealing thing I don't find it out of place at all. It was brought up a few times before the timeskip that a ninja's body is a box full of secrets and it was the role of ninja hunters and ANBU masked people to collect and dispose of these bodies before other villages got to them (thinking mainly about the Zabuza arc).
Kishi has also told us a few times that konoha was considered a collection of the strongest clans in the Naruto universe. Hence its about time we see some ninjas with some ripped off moves/techniques/body parts from konoha, he made such a big deal of it in some areas of the story, and everytime we see ANBU lvl ninjas they always getting owned or something, so it was bound to happen that we see these high level people walking around with them.

[PlantainX]

Hey everyone :) I thought it was an awesome chapter, but I am curious about a few things.

1) Mifune says that Tsuchikage has been used to much by Akatsuki... I thought it was the other way around, I thought that the Ninja villages used Akatsuki?

http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-459-page-2.html

2) Who are those 4 in the bottom half of this page? There like "where did he go?" at first i thought that this was team hawk but then I remembered team hawk is inside the weird looking mountain already. And where did who go? Zetzu? Madara? Sasuke? Very intriguing :bigsmile: My guess these are future Akatsuki since they only have 3 members ROFL....

http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-459-page-12.html

3) Who is Raikage calling a bastard? Ao for having a Byakugan? or Danzo for being one lol?

http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-459-page-15.html

4) Last thing is, People cover up their stolen sharingans because it drains their chacras because there always "activated". Why is this guy covering up his Byakugan if it was not "activated" the whole time? just for the element of surprise? But that's dumb you can see all the veins popping out and him screaming "BYAKUGAN!" kinda gives it away lol. Hope there is a logical explanation for this.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for reading and clarifying :smile:

[TW501]

1) Mifune says that Tsuchikage has been used to much by Akatsuki... I thought it was the other way around, I thought that the Ninja villages used Akatsuki?
I think that they thought they were using Akatsuki, but in reality were being used themselves.

3) Who is Raikage calling a bastard? Ao for having a Byakugan? or Danzo for being one lol?
That had me confused at first too, but judging from the context, I'd say Danzo.

4) Last thing is, People cover up their stolen sharingans because it drains their chacras because there always "activated". Why is this guy covering up his Byakugan if it was not "activated" the whole time? just for the element of surprise? But that's dumb you can see all the veins popping out and him screaming "BYAKUGAN!" kinda gives it away lol. Hope there is a logical explanation for this.
The eye is probably that milky white like other byakugans when not in use, so it is probably intended to hide it for the sake of surprise. Also, I suspect that the veins popping out are more for the reader's benefit than an actual noticable physical change.

[morillo]

Maybe madara is really dead and danzou is the one moving the pieces he just look to calm everytime we see him. And it seems like he always knows how the things are working.

For some reason Tobi sent setsu to the meeting in perfect timing

For last setsu last words (on 459 last page) where: Sasuke is breaking in. Now I wonder where is he hiding?

does those word don't make you think that Kishimoto wants to show setsu as a good guy looking sasuke?(just like if he is saving the kages in the meeting) or that tobi(or danzou if it came to be the same person) is using sasuke to get away with his plans by betraying him?

because he was by there side until he went to tobi so there's not reason to not know where sasuke is.

@shisui eye, i think that tobi said that he was with itachi when he killed shisui. So, maybe if madara is danzou he just took Shisui's eye.(though there some cons in this theory because if itachi saw madara's face he should have looked into both of madara's eyes)

[Infinitekaos]

and that person might be mandara...:rollseyes:[/CENTER]

i tried to make a face but it didnt work out, but the x is the byuakugan and the @ is the sharingan...aww f*** it...

Who in the hell is Mandara? Is that a cross between Madara and the Leader of the Snakes, Orochimaru's and Sasuke's Summon, Manda?

Also, can you fix your damn sig. It's too big.

As far as the chapter goes, I'm gonna be interested to see what exactly Madara is planning for Sasuke. It seems he's set him up. Either to test Sasuke or something else, but Madara is certainly trying to pick a fight. I wanna see where this goes.

[PlantainX]

I don't think Danzo and Madara are the same person because Madara told Zetzu to begin.... at that moment Zetzu appeared before the 5 Kages, where Danzo was. So I think that pretty much sums it up, not to mention that Madara has no need for any other sharingan, he has perfect ones, and Danzo took his from Shisui.

[morillo]

remember that tobi is a villain and villains LIE. He lied to sasuke when he told him itachi's story so he may be lying about his identity.

Remember that tobi has a body that cannot be touched so he just can be some type of illusion. Just looking at naruto wikia (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Shisui) it says that shisui is known as Shisui the Teleporter.

I don't really like to speculate on this kind of things but the mistery about tobi just make me start thinking about a lot of things. I really like to play dumb and get amazed when things happen. I remember that I make a joke to a friend of mine that Pain was going to revive everyone in konoha and got shocked when I saw it on the chapter.

[Infinitekaos]

I don't think Danzo and Madara are the same person because Madara told Zetzu to begin.... at that moment Zetzu appeared before the 5 Kages, where Danzo was. So I think that pretty much sums it up, not to mention that Madara has no need for any other sharingan, he has perfect ones, and Danzo took his from Shisui.

I'm with you on this one. I'm almost 100% positive now that they are not the same person. Too much proof now they are 2 different people.

[Apple84]

epic ending! whowwww...just the fact that Ao has his byakugan and see through Danzo's chakra was a huge jaw drop for me..plus its shisui!!! finally i see his face too! whowwwzerrr i am telling you! too bad kishi has to let him die early!lol! but with Danzo implanted shusui's sharingan's eye..such power and also i was wonder..though we all say Orochimaru may help danzo with the eye implanting..is it really?

aside from that,,,.i wonder how sakura will face naruto and tell him about sasuke..plus..the love conffesion...and especially how Hinata...will turn out to be..that poor girl
meanwhile..i hope Tsunade gets wells sooooooooooon damn it! wake up woman and realized what Danzo have done!lol if only someone tells it to her ears..i am sure she'll be in rage and all awake.


Tobi has started his move and i can't wait for next chpttttttt!

[PlantainX]

remember that tobi is a villain and villains LIE. He lied to sasuke when he told him itachi's story so he may be lying about his identity.

Remember that tobi has a body that cannot be touched so he just can be some type of illusion. Just looking at naruto wikia (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Shisui) it says that shisui is known as Shisui the Teleporter.

I don't really like to speculate on this kind of things but the mistery about tobi just make me start thinking about a lot of things. I really like to play dumb and get amazed when things happen. I remember that I make a joke to a friend of mine that Pain was going to revive everyone in konoha and got shocked when I saw it on the chapter.

Well its true you never know when the story throws you a curve ball lol :) but its really looking like Danzo is one guy and Madara another guy. He cant be an illusion because he helped Deidara fight Sasuke and the 3 tails, and used a physical body to do things. You bring up something that got me curios, Tobi lied to Sasuke in his Itachi story, but i don't remember what part of if it was a lie? Did they reveal which part was a lie? I may have to read those chapters again lol.

On another note I would not be surprised if Danzo was working for Madara or is a former student of Madara. He competed against the 3rd Hokage, who was a student of the 1st or 2nd (cant remember). So Danzo had to be trained by some one and around that time the only leet people in the Hidden leaf where the 1st and 2nd Hokage and Madara until he went against the hidden leaf.

[morillo]

i think it was recently on the manga that someone gave a brief summary (something shallow) of Madara's plan and if we compare that to what tobi told to sasuke. Tobi didn't say the whole story to Sasuke or just said the parts that he wanted sasuke to know and get mad. I really can't check now because i'm on work and recently got blocked manga pages.

Tobi just got "sliced" on deidara fight he did not used strength (as far i remember, need to check). I don't remember the fight against the 3tails (only on Anime fillers and that doesn't count) The only moment that tobi mentioned something about his body was on the first chapter of tobi appearance. I remember that he said to pain: thank for helping me with my arm and leg referring to the right side. The same side that danzou don't use. Plus danzou knew about pain's potential. Maybe he wantes shisui eye (or eyes) to control him. And why minato told naruto that tobi was ahead of everymove he maid when the kyubi attacked konoha. There only 2 reasons.

1. Tobi is a mastermind
2. Someone from konoha new everything or because he could be dazou knew how minato would react

I know it is hard to difference them because of being at to different places in the same time. But through naruto we have seen different techniques that allow similar things like Bushins and the technique that itachi and the shark guy, (forgot his name) after Gaara was kidnapped. If tobi is really madara why he just show 1 eye and haven't show his face? (maybe there some reveal).

Anyways i just wanted to say that im conscious that is difficult to believe that 1 person cannot be in different places at the same time

[Infinitekaos]

i think it was recently on the manga that someone gave a brief summary (something shallow) of Madara's plan and if we compare that to what tobi told to sasuke. Tobi didn't say the whole story to Sasuke or just said the parts that he wanted sasuke to know and get mad. I really can't check now because i'm on work and recently got blocked manga pages.

The part that was definately a lie was the fact that Madara told Sasuke that the Kyuubi attack was a Natural Disaster, when in fact it we know it was most likely Madara who used the Kyuubi to attack. Minato told Naruto that the masked Akatsuki member (Madara) was the one he fought when the Kyuubi attacked. Minato has no reason to lie to Naruto about that.

Tobi just got "sliced" on deidara fight he did not used strength (as far i remember, need to check). I don't remember the fight against the 3tails (only on Anime fillers and that doesn't count) The only moment that tobi mentioned something about his body was on the first chapter of tobi appearance. I remember that he said to pain: thank for helping me with my arm and leg referring to the right side. The same side that danzou don't use.

No where in this manga has Tobi/Madara ever thanked anyone for helping with any side of his body. In fact, I've just re-read all the initial appearances of Tobi in this manga (from when he is with Zetsu to when Diedara tries to suffocate him) and nowhere does he mention the right side of his body. Get the manga page for me if I'm mistaken. I even checked the Sasuke vs. Diedara fight.

I know it is hard to difference them because of being at to different places in the same time. But through naruto we have seen different techniques that allow similar things like Bushins and the technique that itachi and the shark guy, (forgot his name) after Gaara was kidnapped. If tobi is really madara why he just show 1 eye and haven't show his face? (maybe there some reveal.

Anyways i just wanted to say that im conscious that is difficult to believe that 1 person cannot be in different places at the same time

Its more difficult for me to believe 1 person can ALWAYS be in 2 places at the same time. We know he's not using an illusion. This is because Karin can sense his chakra and so could Hinata. He just has a space-time ninjutsu he uses.

Also, to keep a Kage Bunshin active for hundreds of chapters seems kinda pushing the limits of that jutsu.

[stife5]

Madara help Itachi kill Uchiha Shisui so therefore Shisui is dead. Danzo and the other top leaders in Konoha ordered Itachi to spy on his clan so once Uchiha Shisui was killed. Danzo came and with the help of Kabuto to retrieve his right eye; remember Kabuto was still in Konoha back then as a spy. Danzo can't be Uchiha Shisui because Danzo was born before Shisui...that Sharingan probably transfer Shisui chakra to Danzo when he implanted Shisui's eye.

[mista k]

I'm feeling a Naruto vs Sasuke 2 coming very soon, its gonna be big

[He's a Mentalist]

Good chapter, 9/10...

[El Diablo]

I'm feeling a Naruto vs Sasuke 2 coming very soon, its gonna be big

Sasuke's death grows more promisingly close with each asurance of disposal:bigsmile:, and only team taka(hawk), Naruto, Sakura(maybe not anymore?), and disappointingly Ino stand in the way of that.

[RYUJINN-JACK]

check out Danzou's arm ... see anything strange??
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-459-page-14.html

[morillo]

sorry, it seems to be a wrong translation from a long time ago

[Bankai - Ichigo]

The part that was definately a lie was the fact that Madara told Sasuke that the Kyuubi attack was a Natural Disaster, when in fact it we know it was most likely Madara who used the Kyuubi to attack. Minato told Naruto that the masked Akatsuki member (Madara) was the one he fought when the Kyuubi attacked. Minato has no reason to lie to Naruto about that.



No where in this manga has Tobi/Madara ever thanked anyone for helping with any side of his body. In fact, I've just re-read all the initial appearances of Tobi in this manga (from when he is with Zetsu to when Diedara tries to suffocate him) and nowhere does he mention the right side of his body. Get the manga page for me if I'm mistaken. I even checked the Sasuke vs. Diedara fight.



Its more difficult for me to believe 1 person can ALWAYS be in 2 places at the same time. We know he's not using an illusion. This is because Karin can sense his chakra and so could Hinata. He just has a space-time ninjutsu he uses.

Also, to keep a Kage Bunshin active for hundreds of chapters seems kinda pushing the limits of that jutsu.

QFT.

Also, just to add: Morillo also asked where Deidara and Madara fought the Sanbi, and said he only remembers it in the filler arc. I'd just like to say that there was a brief fight in the manga featuring Deidara and Madara against the Sanbi. So, yeah, it's in the manga. The only fight against the Sanbi that was in fillers is the one where Konoha gets involved too, since the manga didn't have that.

And, yeah, I too can feel a Naruto vs. Sasuke fight coming pretty soon. I hope it's good.

I remember someone asking who it was that asked "Where did he go?!" in this chapter. That actually was Team Hawk, and I think Karin was the one asking, about Zetsu I believe. If this person (forgot who it is) had bothered to read the spoiler in case he/she didn't, then he/she would've known that it was Team Hawk outside the Kage Meeting place.

[btill9000]

Madara help Itachi kill Uchiha Shisui so therefore Shisui is dead.

I think this is very important. I've come to the conclusion that Danzo will live for a long time. If anyone screws with him they'll probably be taken down in a flash. The way I take this chapter, is that one eye of Uchiha Shisuis Sharingan could put Danzo on par with any other Uchiha(IE: Sasuke and maybe Madara.) Kakashi was able to deal fight on par with Itachi, until the super MS genjutsu came out, and Kakashi's Sharingan would be a lot weaker than Danzo's. Danzo would also have a lot more chakra than Kakashi, so he wouldn't get hospitalized every time he used his Sharingan's full power.

[Mjaut]

Maybe Karin couldn't sense if Zetsu lie because of his 2 personalities.

[AzureFeatherfly]

Maybe Karin couldn't sense if Zetsu lie because of his 2 personalities.

Zetsu can fuse with nature to camouflage himself. So maybe when he fused with the ground, he was also able to camouflage his chakra as well.

[Lnrd]

check out Danzou's arm ... see anything strange??
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-459-page-14.html

WTF. Is it me or does Danzou's arm look like it has a face on it?:confused: Maybe Shisui's soul is in that arm?

[BigBoogerBot]

seems more like his arm was cut off and another was transplanted on, causing the little rift between the shoulder and the arm, making of course a creepy face.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Duh, of course it's not his own arm. It's Shisui's.

[El Diablo]

WTF. Is it me or does Danzou's arm look like it has a face on it?:confused: Maybe Shisui's soul is in that arm?

:amazed: It does look like a face, but that may just be the way the chakra network is on the arm. Although it would be cool/wierd for Shisui's soul to be in the arm, it would somewhat mean that Danzou has 2 souls, and/or Shisui's personality/mind/consciense.

[Mjaut]

I wonder who's next Uchiha to be alive...

Kinda reminds of Saiyans; there was only Goku (well, we didn't know he's Saiyan, so I think maybe that doesn't count), then Raditz, Vegeta and, Nappa.
In movies Paragus, Broly and Taurus...

I don't know really...

[El Diablo]

I wonder who's next Uchiha to be alive...

Kinda reminds of Saiyans; there was only Goku (well, we didn't know he's Saiyan, so I think maybe that doesn't count), then Raditz, Vegeta and, Nappa.
In movies Paragus, Broly and Taurus...

I don't know really...

Probably Madara's father the Tengu demon:jk:, but really it would be cool to see Madara's father with a flashback, and maybe Hashirama's/First Hokage's father and maybe how the Sharingan originated (because it's already an key part of the series, why not get a background on it.)

[RYUJINN-JACK]

The chakra networking on Danzou's arm is strange. Even if it was Shisui's original arm, it's network is complete different from what an arm SHOULD look like.

My wager, it's not an arm at all.. I remember Danzou wanted to access Orochimaru's experiment results so he could fix that arm. Theres definatly something off with it..

[He's a Mentalist]

mechanical?

[Bankai - Ichigo]

How can it have a chakra network if it's mechanical? I thought only living things had a chakra network, since there are nerves and veins in the human body that the chakra network goes through. Not only that, but look at how what we refer to as chakra is molded: By equally combining the body's spiritual and physical energies together. [Introduce Natural Energy to that and balance it out with the other two and you have Sage Chakra.] I seriously doubt a robot has things called physical energy and spiritual energy. They're machines, so they have positive and negative charge, creating power.

[Dumbledore]

It is odd that the arm still has the same color or w/e it had that originated from the Uchiha, but I think its still an arm. Maybe its the way it is because its the whole arm and despite Danzou's chakra flowing through it, it still stayed the same.

[ismey]

Probably Madara's father the Tengu demon:jk:, but really it would be cool to see Madara's father with a flashback, and maybe Hashirama's/First Hokage's father and maybe how the Sharingan originated (because it's already an key part of the series, why not get a background on it.)

i dont think madara will have a tengu demon father.....though not sayin he hasnt got an ancestor tengu .........i have a feeling the three dojutsu are all related to tengu some how ...maybe the first uchiha, first hyugga and sage of six paths were all related....brothers perhaps?........

anywho i wonder how sasuke will do on his little escapade with the kages and get out of it in one piece alive...

[El Diablo]

i dont think madara will have a tengu demon father.....though not sayin he hasnt got an ancestor tengu .........i have a feeling the three dojutsu are all related to tengu some how ...maybe the first uchiha, first hyugga and sage of six paths were all related....brothers perhaps?........

anywho i wonder how sasuke will do on his little escapade with the kages and get out of it in one piece alive...

I was joking about the tengu demon part, but it would somehow explain how and why the sharingan is so powerful/evil looking.

As for Sasuke, well he's as good as dead, unless he just Amaterasu's the whole place, and that would be the dumbest thing since Orochimaru coming back just to be sealed in an eternal genjutsu by Itachi.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/15
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/16

When people make the rebutal and say that Sasuke hasn't killed anyone I can use this everytime
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/09

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I was joking about the tengu demon part, but it would somehow explain how and why the sharingan is so powerful/evil looking.

As for Sasuke, well he's as good as dead, unless he just Amaterasu's the whole place, and that would be the dumbest thing since Orochimaru coming back just to be sealed in an eternal genjutsu by Itachi.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/15
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/16

When people make the rebutal and say that Sasuke hasn't killed anyone I can use this everytime
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/09

I'd forgotten Sasuke having killed that guy!

And, yeah, you're right, Sharingan being evil would make even more sense than it does now if Madara's dad really was a Tengu Demon.

And, yeah, for his own sake, I too hope Sasuke has something else up his sleeve besides an Amaterasu. He did say he had something he had to try though, so maybe he'll use that? We'll see that.

[gromzie]

People going on about the whole SHARINGAN 3 SKILLZ SUSANOO AMATREULOL and Tsukuyomi, well where the hell did Kamui come from? Really guys, i think it's obvious that Sasuke has his own Mangekyou tech he wants to try out, it feels so obvious, so incredibly obvious.


And about mechanical things can't have chakra? Well the human puppets Sasori made sure did utilize chakra, didn't they? Maybe not, they were smashed and reassembled, therefor it's not connected chakra vessels there, but he might have done chakra strings throughout the whole puppet body he was using as a container for his heart?

Anyway, Sasuke will surpise everyone with his new mangekyou technique, i believe him having Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and possibly Susanoo, that we don't know.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/09/

Here he uses a mangekyou genjutsu, Tsukuyomi maybe?

Anyway, i don't think Itachi ruined his chances of his own techniques by adding his own into Sasuke, i think it just adds onto the numbers, Wich means Sasuke has 5 or maybe 6 mangekyou techniques, 2-3 yet to be discovered then.

I think Sasuke will use this new mangekyou and own everyone, if it's a genjutsu, or escape technique or imba ninjutsu (unlikely! that he can crush 5 kages, no thanks.)
Or maybe something else, but what it is something special yet to be seen, otherwise i don't believe Kishi would give us that hint, it could get interesting. And obviously it's gonna play a major role at some point of time i believe, Sasuke doesn't seem to worried and has lots of confidence in his own abilities, so i think, i THINK that Sasuke has the upper hand even if the 5 kages come berserker-mode, one way or another, no insta kill techinque but it's something capable of "saving" themselves i guess.

[El Diablo]

Which would make Sasuke over-powered to the max by having 5-6 mangekyo techniques(although trying to use them all within 5 minutes may leave him blind). I also believe that mechanical parts may soon be able to utilize chakra, because Asuma had metal blades that could channel chakra, maybe sometime soon we may get a mechanical ninja. I think this guy was close to it:bigsmile:.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/03

[djray]

Didnt Itachi report to Danzo? Assassinating an entire clan doesnt seem like a tactic the 3rd would cosign...Its likely that Danzo like Orochi wanted to attain the abilities of the sharingan.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Which would make Sasuke over-powered to the max by having 5-6 mangekyo techniques(although trying to use them all within 5 minutes may leave him blind). I also believe that mechanical parts may soon be able to utilize chakra, because Asuma had metal blades that could channel chakra, maybe sometime soon we may get a mechanical ninja. I think this guy was close to it:bigsmile:.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/03

You mean Nagato? He was sending his own chakra through dead human bodies though.

And Sakimo or whatever Kakashi's dad's name was, also had a chakra blade. There are actually people who have chakra blades still though too, one of them being Sasuke. Sasuke can channel his Chidori through his Kusanagi Sword. It's a chakra blade.

But I really don't think a robot or other mechanical or metallic objects can have chakra of their own in them, only chakra that is channeled through them by a ninja. That's what we've been seeing so far in puppets and chakra blades and things like that.

[xrawrx]

@djray

im prety sure he reported to the elders, which danzo was a part of. but not danzo alone

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Yeah, he reported to the Elders, mainly. The Sandaime Hokage was against the whole thing, though, so Djray's also right.

[gromzie]

Saying Sasuke would be overpowered with 5-6 mangekyou abilities? Well you're right, half of it anyway. There's no way he could fight efficiently and using that much chakra it takes to utilize MS abilities as seen with Kakashi and Itachi. Also he would lose eye-sight.

The biggest argument for him not being overpowered is the kyuubi, that thing is so overpowered i don't know where to begin, imagine a 9-tail chakra blast, how would anyone avoid or survive that one?

The MS abilities themselves are so friggin overpowered though, that would easily make him ridiculously powerful, but, remember there are restrictions aswell :) Such as the chakra thing i stated, and Sasuke lacks stamina.

[Infinitekaos]

If Sasuke eventually gets the EMS, which in my opinion will probably happen, he will become even more overpowered. Then both him and Naruto will be far and above the two strongest characters in the manga. Especially if Naruto can control the kyuubi and perhaps Sage Mode at the same time.

[CyberVerse2vZ]

How can it have a chakra network if it's mechanical? I thought only living things had a chakra network, since there are nerves and veins in the human body that the chakra network goes through. Not only that, but look at how what we refer to as chakra is molded: By equally combining the body's spiritual and physical energies together. [Introduce Natural Energy to that and balance it out with the other two and you have Sage Chakra.] I seriously doubt a robot has things called physical energy and spiritual energy. They're machines, so they have positive and negative charge, creating power.

Well, it does look mechanical here.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2noexj.jpg
Maybe his real arm is useless while it is placed inside that Mechanical like object so it could work to some extent. I remember I saw a colored version of it. It has better detail then this one.

Source
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-454/page014.html

[Lnrd]

^Source plz?

EDIT: lol I meant source as in chapter.

[El Diablo]

You mean Nagato? He was sending his own chakra through dead human bodies though.

And Sakimo or whatever Kakashi's dad's name was, also had a chakra blade. There are actually people who have chakra blades still though too, one of them being Sasuke. Sasuke can channel his Chidori through his Kusanagi Sword. It's a chakra blade.

But I really don't think a robot or other mechanical or metallic objects can have chakra of their own in them, only chakra that is channeled through them by a ninja. That's what we've been seeing so far in puppets and chakra blades and things like that.

If Sasuke eventually gets the EMS, which in my opinion will probably happen, he will become even more overpowered. Then both him and Naruto will be far and above the two strongest characters in the manga. Especially if Naruto can control the kyuubi and perhaps Sage Mode at the same time.

Yeah, I agree that a robot would not be able to have chakra without a ninja controlling it. What I was trying to get across was Nagato's wheelchair-like contraption being mechanical, able to channel chakra, which would be a step towards the the first mechanical ninja. But really we don't know if it was able to channel chakra because we didn't get to see it's full capabilities (if it had any).

True, if Sasuke gets the EMS which will probably be after this little kage scuffle, then the only people able to compete with him would be Naruto, Madara, and maybe Kabuto with Orochimaru inside of him(not likely, and yes I know how it sounds). If Naruto starts using Sage Mode + the Kyuubi at the same time then naruto would become...can't find a word for how powerful he would be, especially if he were to use Flying Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken in that mode (could you imagine the destructive force).

[Lnrd]

Yeah, I agree that a robot would not be able to have chakra without a ninja controlling it. What I was trying to get across was Nagato's wheelchair-like contraption being mechanical, able to channel chakra, which would be a step towards the the first mechanical ninja. But really we don't know if it was able to channel chakra because we didn't get to see it's full capabilities (if it had any).

True, if Sasuke gets the EMS which will probably be after this little kage scuffle, then the only people able to compete with him would be Naruto, Madara, and maybe Kabuto with Orochimaru inside of him(not likely, and yes I know how it sounds). If Naruto starts using Sage Mode + the Kyuubi at the same time then naruto would become...can't find a word for how powerful he would be, especially if he were to use Flying Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken in that mode (could you imagine the destructive force).

@BOLD- He already can, we just never saw just how powerful he was in the form. But I'd definitely say he's up there.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/

[Infinitekaos]

@BOLD- He already can, we just never saw just how powerful he was in the form. But I'd definitely say he's up there.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/

He didn't actually USE it though. I do remember him with the eyes, but whether or not that was just an emotional thing or a controlled thing is still up in the air.

[Lnrd]

He didn't actually USE it though. I do remember him with the eyes, but whether or not that was just an emotional thing or a controlled thing is still up in the air.

I know. That's the reason I said this...

@BOLD- He already can, we just never saw just how powerful he was in the form. But I'd definitely say he's up there.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/

EDIT: It's always both emotional and controlled when naruto uses those entry-level Kyuubi forms. For example, his fight in Part 1 angainst Sasuke.

[gromzie]

While that's true LNRD, the instability of the kyuubi chakra makes it not so easy. We shouldn't take it for granted :)

[Bankai - Ichigo]

True, but I'm pretty sure Naruto can control himself still while using that form (Sage Mode + Kyuubi Mode), though he'd also be emotional.

[CyberVerse2vZ]

If Sasuke eventually gets the EMS, which in my opinion will probably happen, he will become even more overpowered. Then both him and Naruto will be far and above the two strongest characters in the manga. Especially if Naruto can control the kyuubi and perhaps Sage Mode at the same time.

I think it's safe to say he is going to be getting it soon. Madara probably sent Zetsu to interfene in the Kage meeting to get them on their toes which will cause them to cancel the meeting and search for Sasuke. If a Kage finds him and beats him up then Sasuke will be wanting even more power, thuse Itachi's eyes. Meaning that he gains the EMS.
Thus, "Eye of the Moon Plan."
All speculation of what I think will happen.

[gromzie]

True, but I'm pretty sure Naruto can control himself still while using that form (Sage Mode + Kyuubi Mode), though he'd also be emotional.

As i said, be shouldn't take it for granted. Firstly he couldn't use his demon fox chakra all by himself until Jiraiya faced him with death. And didn't they say somewhere that he needs to control his own chakra, sage chakra AND kyuubi chakra, that way it's reaaaally difficult. I'm just saying we shouldn't count of Naruto being able to use that form as like this; "Now i'm going into my strongest form blablabla!!!!!!"

[Bankai - Ichigo]

Well, yeah, I realize that, but he'll eventually being getting the Kyuubi's chakra fully under control (towards the end of the series), I'm just hoping he can handle that form too; if not yet, then later.

[CyberVerse2vZ]

He is probably going to have trouble while he trains himself to use the Kyuubi's chakra. I think that in the end Killerbee is going to be the one who teaches him how to control the fox's chakra. We already know that he could use his bijuu's power when the moment calls for it.