Bleach 387 discussion

[supergarr]

Wow, looks like Aizen deals the finishing blow to Tousen like the 3rd Espada. Too bad I can't read japanese as there is some lengthy dialogue between Aizen and Shinji.:rockin:

[Hanni]

I actually didn't understand anything, lol.

But finally Ichigo arrives, so things should develope soon.

[xPyrox]

THis. Looks. Epic. Seriously. Epic.

Ichigo appearing at the end and the fact that Shinji and Aizen are using their shikai's to negate each other. Pretty win.

[Hanni]

But at the final pic Ichigo is going straightforward to attack Aizen. Is he not supposed to be careful and not look at his zanpakutoh?

[airyie]

Finally!
After years of chapters, he arrives.

[2waim]

Go Shinji !! kick Aizen ass !!
Man the chapter seems to be an Upper win..

[Perrin]

Did Aizen get cut? :O

This chapter looks pretty epic from the pics.

[supergarr]

i fail at making polls

[KING GRIMMJOW]

Interesting looking chapter, So Aizen is cut,Ichigo is back and the flashback of tousen's, was that of his friend being killed, if so looks like Aizen is present:amused:

[koolchiki]

wow this chapter looks to be a 10/10!
I still can't seem to make out what shinjis shikai does, but i think it has something to do with making the opponent see him differently because he's standing upright whilst he's spinning his sword around but on the next pages he's upside down.

Another thing, it seemed as though Aizen killed tousen in the end but did anyone notice that he was developing pupils just before?

[pumpkin13]

ZOMG i jizzed when i saw aizen's WTF face. lol he still managed to get the better slash on shinji, but there's loads of text between them, which im really interested in seeing what that says.

Looks like pretty much all the fans wants are covered except the contingent wanting WW vs Kensei. We get Ichigo arriving, we get Aizen vs Shinji (although given Ichigo's arrival at the end it looks like THATS going to be all of Aizen vs Shinji we see) and we get a Tousen flashback.

Looks like Aizen gets pissed off with him or something and causes him to explode into a pool of blood...

Anyway, loads of text, hopefully some plot progression within that text...

Sakanade's looking pretty cool.

[Paragon]

Man this fight was turning out to be quite epic. I hope its not completely over now that Ichigo has arrived. Credit to Shinji though, he seemed to put up a decent fight although Aizen seemed very relaxed for the most part. Looks like that whole being upside down thing wasn't just for nothing and to think Kubo says hes doesn't like to plan things. >.>

[d2sharp]

Yeh this chap looks good great plot progression, but it's fairly obvious that Aizen is going to pull something out of his ass since his is supposed to go on for another few months atleast:d:.
I'm confused, so shinji and Aizen were cancalling out each others effects, so why was ichigo hacking through an illusion:huh:

I'm still wondering wtf is gin doing, he can't seriously be taking three vizards at once could he?

[Bankboy]

shinji cutting Azien is not that of a biggie. Aizen can just instant heal himself via his hollow power.

[Lnrd]

Shinji got in a cut :omg:. Of course Shinji won't win but atleast Kubo won't make him lose like a bitch.

And, what did Aizen kill Tosen with? That most of been some fast ass hadou.

shinji cutting Azien is not that of a biggie. Aizen can just instant heal himself via his hollow power.
Shinji getting a cut on the main antagonist is a very big deal. Remember this is the guy stopping regular captain class bankai with fingers.

[Meta]

You fucking rock Aizen!

[Paragon]

Least now we can say Tousen wasn't killed by Hisagi lol. I presume Tousen was probably about to tell Sajin and Hisagi something very important about Aizen's plans and was thus silenced.

[Wonderwice#1]

I think aizen getting cut is an illusion because he looks perfectly fine in the other panels...

[pumpkin13]

Still... he was pretty much finished off in terms of being able to fight by Hisagi.

[Lnrd]

I think aizen getting cut is an illusion because he looks perfectly fine in the other panels...
Come on when has a little nick like that every hurt a character in Bleach.

[theseraph]

Touse lost his form, he was dying anyway. As per this chapter, OMFGBBQSAUCE. I can haz moar?

[Yadomaru]

Is that a WTF? look on Aizen's face? Holy. SHIT.
This Chapter looks to be on a level of Epicness unseen since the FKT arc started. Can't fuckin' wait.
BTW, Shinji's shikai looks awesome.

[Neocide]

yea this was quite epic, tite is getting straight to it. I hope we get more of shinji\aizen but from the looks of it that looked like a bad cut to me. I still dont know how ichigo is gonna do, but maybe urahara and co will come through finally.

and I wonder if ol man yama will ever do a god damn thing again. holy fuck. XD tousen's death scene didnt surprise me, it fits aizen perfectly to manipulate a situation for his benefit. makes me even MORE curious about gin, he's in no way aizen puppet, or so we'd like to believe. although I think gin might just have an ulterior motive.

[BlueSkies]

This seems to be a very promising chapter! Can't wait to read the English translation.

I would have liked to seen Gin, though. I wonder if Tite is holding him back for a while to give us some surprise?

[pumpkin13]

This seems to be a very promising chapter! Can't wait to read the English translation.

I would have liked to seen Gin, though. I wonder if Tite is holding him back for a while to give us some surprise?

Could be that Aizen's using Kyouka again and the Aizen that Shinji is fighting is actually Gin in disguise, wouldnt be the first time he's used KS in conjunction with Gin.

[d-sun]

Notice how Shinji swings his sword to attack Aizen from the right, and yet Aizen is cut on the left. I suspect that there is a sort of mirror effect tacking place due to the whole 'upside down' situation.
Wasup first post.

[Arty]

OMFGZ *O*
This chapter looks to be epic in every sense of the word!
Shinji's shikai lookin hella awesome, great design work by KT. 8D
As to his shikai ability, something along the lines of his enemy sees upside down, or some sort of mirror ability, makes perfect sense considering his personality.

And to think I have to wait over a week before I can read this chapter... D:

[pumpkin13]

Notice how Shinji swings his sword to attack Aizen from the right, and yet Aizen is cut on the left. I suspect that there is a sort of mirror effect tacking place due to the whole 'upside down' situation.
Wasup first post.

Good catch. I think that's likely it.

[Paragon]

Notice how Shinji swings his sword to attack Aizen from the right, and yet Aizen is cut on the left. I suspect that there is a sort of mirror effect tacking place due to the whole 'upside down' situation.
Wasup first post.

I assumed this right from the get go. Good first post though, better than the usual "Hi, i'm new!~" we often get.

[Hanni]

I assumed this right from the get go. Good first post though, better than the usual "Hi, i'm new!~" we often get.

I guess mine wasn't that bad either ;).

Thanks for the +rep.

Eager to see what the real translation says, since these spoilers leave more questions than answers really.

[pds]

Call me god bitches, I guessed it right: http://forums.bleachexile.com/showthread.php?p=2045870#post2045870

Wow, never expected that his powers would really be that epic!! :amused:

Edit: downloading as I am typing this ^_^

[kmand1000]

Great chapter. I'm guessing Aizen had something put in Tousen so he could waste him whenever he wanted to kind of like what Mayuri does with his subs. I wonder if it's the same way with Gin??

[Paragon]

@Paragon
Wasn't it confirmed that his zanpaktou's name was Sakanade?

Kakanade...Sakanade? Minor difference.

[pds]

Kakanade...Sakanade? Minor difference.

Kazanade, is major difference :P, it totally changes the meaning.

[Bankai7]

WTF? Is this the end of Bleach? Aizen doesn't seem to be the main antagonist anymore...Epic chapter but I'm fearing for bad things to come, like having another antagonist which I would have really hated.

[kmand1000]

WTF? Is this the end of Bleach? Aizen doesn't seem to be the main antagonist anymore...Epic chapter but I'm fearing for bad things to come, like having another antagonist which I would have really hated.
I thought people would overreact to Aizen getting nicked...

[pds]

His level of awesomeness just dropped over 9000, due to his "WTF"-face.

[Lnrd]

Why does everyone in BLEACH like to explain their abilities before they have actually won?:unsure: I wouldn't say shit to my opponent, especially if he's actually my enemy.

[Meta]

Welcome to the manga/anime world

[pumpkin13]

Shinji/Sakanade's inner world:
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/beyond/articles/Art/relativity.jpg

?he kcufdnim a tahw

[xrawrx]

Awesome chapter, finally nice to see Aizen doing something.

Saka Nade looks kinda stupid, but i'm sure ill warm up to it.

O My God, Can not wait for Ichigo!!!

[Inazagi]

Call me god bitches, I guessed it right: http://forums.bleachexile.com/showthread.php?p=2045870#post2045870

Wow, never expected that his powers would really be that epic!! :amused:

Edit: downloading as I am typing this ^_^

Hello God, many others predicted the same thing, way back when Shinji was first introduced, sipping water upside down.

OT: Great chapter. I feel a little bad for Tousen, but far more so for Komamura/Hisagi as they spent their last moments with a former comrade.

Shinji/Aizen was excellent! I loved it, totally.

What I didn't love was Ichigo appearing, in the same way he does almost every time, in most fights, charging to the rescue. Mix it up a bit, Kubo.

[skycrapper]

Again, I remember the time when Kommamura and Hisagi made an oath to "open" Tousen's eye and bring him "back". Now they are fulfilling it.

But . . . what's with his body exploding? Ergh . . .

[kmand1000]

His level of awesomeness just dropped over 9000, due to his "WTF"-face.
In every manga the main villain will get hurt before they really show off. Just look at someone like Frieza. Plus Aizen picked up his shikai pretty quickly.

[pds]

Shinji/Sakanade's inner world:
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/beyond/articles/Art/relativity.jpg

?he kcufdnim a tahw

That looks awesome.

[TokyoRacer]

Well, I think the main problem that arises from all this is the fact that Aizen has been built up as this extremely intelligent character that up to this point, has foreseen, predicted, and been able to counter everything that was thrown at him by Soul Society or anyone who opposed him. That is the character that has been developed over the past 300 or so chapters - an extremely intelligent character who always has some sort of plan in place in case things start to go south.

But it seems the wonderful character that Aizen was developed to be has been a huge let down. I'm not interested in how much power Aizen may or may not have, what made Aizen such an interesting and a wonderful character was how intelligent he really is - his ability to manipulate people, his ability to think everything out and plan ahead...that is the character that I enjoyed seeing.

It's baffling to me that KT could design a character like Aizen to be as intelligent as he has made him, only to have him be a complete disappointment in what could potentially be the end of the whole Aizen storyline. For me as a reader to sit here and believe that a character like Aizen did not have any sort of plan in place to deal with possibility that Soul Society could have completely decimate his forces makes no sense to me. I'm supposed to sit here and believe that a character like Aizen didn't account for that possibility? He really believed 100% that Soul Society never stood a character against him? Plus, he still has the Royal Guard to deal with. I mean...the current way the story is going is simply ruining Aizen's character.

I suppose we can all go back to the notion that "anything can happen", and I certainly hope that something really exciting happens that redeems Aizen at this point, because right now KT is ruining his character. No, I simply do not care about how powerful Aizen may or may not be...I care about the diabolic, intelligent, manipulative Aizen who is able to foresee, and plan ahead for virtually every scenario...that is the Aizen I have enjoyed...and that is currently the Aizen that is being destroyed by KT's writing.

[xPyrox]

>Sigh< What is it with Bleach characters EXPLAINING their swords.
"Oh by the way, my swords secret ability is that it can reverse everything. Right, now I'm going to attack you"
JUST STFU AND KIL HIMMMM.
fail.

Chapter looks brill though

[pumpkin13]

dude he got knicked on the shoulder then evaded Shinji's next attack, and slashed him across the back. Get the fuck over it.

He has been built up as pretty damned good, but not unbeatable, he was outsmarted by Yama's FKKT plan and he didn't foresee the Vizards turning up.

This makes him even better for me, it makes him more realistic. Anime and manga are full of perfect characters, so its nice to see a slight (and yeah its REAL slight) deviation from the norm.

Plus i would have been well pissed if Shinji had done absolutely NOTHING to him.

[TokyoRacer]

>Sigh< What is it with Bleach characters EXPLAINING their swords.
"Oh by the way, my swords secret ability is that it can reverse everything. Right, now I'm going to attack you"
JUST STFU AND KIL HIMMMM.
fail.

Chapter looks brill though



It's the Japanese culture. It you have some secret type of weapon, and you kill an opponent with it without them understand it, it's considering to be really dishonorable.

[TokyoRacer]

dude he got knicked on the shoulder then evaded Shinji's next attack, and slashed him across the back. Get the fuck over it.

He has been built up as pretty damned good, but not unbeatable, he was outsmarted by Yama's FKKT plan and he didn't foresee the Vizards turning up.

This makes him even better for me, it makes him more realistic. Anime and manga are full of perfect characters, so its nice to see a slight (and yeah its REAL slight) deviation from the norm.

Plus i would have been well pissed if Shinji had done absolutely NOTHING to him.



I could have swore I said several times I do not care about the amount of power Aizen may or may not have.

[pumpkin13]

i dont recall saying anything at all about his power.

[Wrasvan]

This is like the second time Aizen's ever shown an 'oh shit' face. Props to Shinji for being the one to do it, now I think Aizen's going to use Ichigo against Shinji. I'm assuming the Reversed World only affects Aizen currently so there's no chance of Ichigo accidentally cutting someone(himself), but I want to know why his eyes are open. Maybe he just figures "as soon as I see him I'll close my eyes and strike". Or he'll know where Aizen is based on reiatsu like he found the parrot with the red ribbon all that time ago, etc.

Tousen's final speech was unexpected, looks like a technical good guy death if he's "redeemed" which, judging by Komamura, may be possible.

edit: lol Tousen reminds me of the chick from Cloverfield.

[plotkaislayer]

It's unfortunate that Shinji's shikai comes out against Aizen, since it'll seem weak. It's actually quite powerful and could have easily defeated any number of opponents we've seen. Illusion-type Zans seems rare, and that's good. They're some of the most powerful, it would seem. I doubt the fight between them is completely over. Likely, Shinji will be an integral part of Ichigo not seeing Aizen's shikai. Aizen will not be taken on one-on-one, at least not at first.

Tousen's death appears to be the result of more than just Aizen using Corpse Explode (lolDiablo2). I'm not convinced that Tousen had completely merged with his hollow or that that the hollow merger was completely successful. It would seem he become physically unstable. He didn't disintegrate like hollows do, and he didn't just die like Shinigami. It may be that Aizen built that into Tousen's hollowfication. Naturally, Aizen wouldn't want to reserve the most powerful, purest hollowfication for himself. He can't empower his underlings to replace him, no?

I'm beginning to wonder if Yamamoto really will do nothing except kill that stupid minotaur-thing (sorry it's been a while since I posted, and I've forgotten a lot of the names). Allon? That sounds right.

As for Gin, it's a little disappointing we haven't heard from him, but he cut Hiyori in half. So that's a little shout-out. I think these were Tousen's chapters. So we shouldn't expect to see other battles. I read the translations, and it would seem that Tousen doesn't want his friends to be "blinded" by hate the way he was, making Tousen's blindness poetic. What's funny is that the height of his blindness gave him vision, but a sort of corrupted view of the world. If "justice is blind," then his regaining his vision only reveals how unjust his motive were. Just a nice little literary twist to add on to FINALLY SEEING SHINJI'S SHIKAI HUZZAH

[TokyoRacer]

i dont recall saying anything at all about his power.

You told me to "get the fuck over it" in regards to Aizen getting nicked by Shinji. Shinji can beat the holy hell out of Aizen for all I care. My main frustration is over how Aizen's intelligent, manipulative character is being destroyed.

[kmand1000]

You told me to "get the fuck over it" in regards to Aizen getting nicked by Shinji. Shinji can beat the holy hell out of Aizen for all I care. My main frustration is over how Aizen's intelligent, manipulative character is being destroyed.
He hasn't seen Shinji's shikai. Is he supposed to be able to predict things like that too?

[pumpkin13]

aizen getting knicked by shinji has got less to do about power, and more so their abilities, aizen couldnt see through shinji's shikai.

[TokyoRacer]

He hasn't seen Shinji's shikai. Is he supposed to be able to predict things like that too?


That's not the point. My point was that the entire situation has turned into a complete disaster. As a reader who has really enjoyed Aizen's character, I don't see how i am supposed to sit here and really believe that a character like Aizen could not foresee the possibility of Soul Society decimating his forces. Forget about the Vizards. Obviously he had zero idea they would actually show up. I'm referring to planning for the possibility of Soul Society overwhelming Aizen's forces. Are we really suppose to believe that Aizen and all of his genius firmly believed 100% that Soul Society (just Soul Society...do not include the Vizard's in that equation) never stood a chance against his forces? He did not think for even one second that perhaps Soul Society would be able to defeat his forces, and did not put some sort of plan in place in case such a scenario incurred?

There is still a lot of story to be told, and the notion that "anything can happen' is still firmly in place. Perhaps Aizen will be completely redeemed later in the story, or perhaps we are currently on the path leading towards to end of the entire Aizen storyline.

Either way, the entire Arrancar Arc has been a complete let down. it had its good points, and its fun parts, but the balance of the story is highly into the "crap" area.

[Wrasvan]

That's not the point. My point was that the entire situation has turned into a complete disaster. As a reader who has really enjoyed Aizen's character, I don't see how i am supposed to sit here and really believe that a character like Aizen could not foresee the possibility of Soul Society decimating his forces. Forget about the Vizards. Obviously he had zero idea they would actually show up. I'm referring to planning for the possibility of Soul Society overwhelming Aizen's forces. Are we really suppose to believe that Aizen and all of his genius firmly believed 100% that Soul Society (just Soul Society...do not include the Vizard's in that equation) never stood a chance against his forces? He did not think for even one second that perhaps Soul Society would be able to defeat his forces, and did not put some sort of plan in place in case such a scenario incurred?

What?

(taking the vizards out of the equation obviously) Aizen had the win in the bag. He was absolutely right about his statement that he didn't have to lift a finger. Harribel would have killed Hitsugaya, Wonderweiss would have arguably been able to go down and slaughter the Vice-Captains in their little healing box. Komamura, Shunsui, and Yamamoto were the only ones really in fighting shape (Hisagi doesn't count, neither does Omaeda) and they still had to deal with Fura, Starrk's exploding wolves and cero storm, Barragan's 'age everything to death' breath, and Harribel's nosebleed inducing tits.. or whatever else she could have done before Aizen decided to kill her for no apparent reason.

[kmand1000]

That's not the point. My point was that the entire situation has turned into a complete disaster. As a reader who has really enjoyed Aizen's character, I don't see how i am supposed to sit here and really believe that a character like Aizen could not foresee the possibility of Soul Society decimating his forces. Forget about the Vizards. Obviously he had zero idea they would actually show up. I'm referring to planning for the possibility of Soul Society overwhelming Aizen's forces. Are we really suppose to believe that Aizen and all of his genius firmly believed 100% that Soul Society (just Soul Society...do not include the Vizard's in that equation) never stood a chance against his forces? He did not think for even one second that perhaps Soul Society would be able to defeat his forces, and did not put some sort of plan in place in case such a scenario incurred?

There is still a lot of story to be told, and the notion that "anything can happen' is still firmly in place. Perhaps Aizen will be completely redeemed later in the story, or perhaps we are currently on the path leading towards to end of the entire Aizen storyline.

Either way, the entire Arrancar Arc has been a complete let down. it had its good points, and its fun parts, but the balance of the story is highly into the "crap" area.
Well it's not over yet. There will likely be a twist coming up. You can't judge his character until everything happens. It's likely that up until Aizen has been tiring out SS just waiting for his real fighters to show up.

[TokyoRacer]

What?

(taking the vizards out of the equation obviously) Aizen had the win in the bag. He was absolutely right about his statement that he didn't have to lift a finger. Harribel would have killed Hitsugaya, Wonderweiss would have arguably been able to go down and slaughter the Vice-Captains in their little healing box. Komamura, Shunsui, and Yamamoto were the only ones really in fighting shape (Hisagi doesn't count, neither does Omaeda) and they still had to deal with Fura, Starrk's exploding wolves and cero storm, Barragan's 'age everything to death' breath, and Harribel's nosebleed inducing tits.. or whatever else she could have done before Aizen decided to kill her for no apparent reason.



So again, you're telling me that in all his infinite amount of wisdom, and his ability to far predict what the situation may entail and being able to properly have some sort of plan in place to counteract anything that might hinder his plans...you're telling me that Aizen did not for ONE SECOND consider the possibility that Soul Society could in fact completely decimate his forces? You're telling me that Aizen...the character that we known believed 100% that nothing could go wrong, and everything would work out for him and that he would destroy Gotei 13 at this very moment without any sort of problem? Really?

[pds]

Aizen had the winning hand, that was untill the Vizards showed up. Just because he couldn't predict the Vizards coming, doesn't mean he had miscalculated the situation, obviously he himself thought that the Vizards were dead as well. Urahara is Aizen's perfect counter. You suck, come again.

[TokyoRacer]

Wow. None of you know how to read, do you?

Allow me to say this one final time - I am fully aware that Aizen could not have predicted the Vizard's coming up. The point I have been trying to make that you all seem to have some drastic failure to understand is Aizen's inability to consider the possibility that Soul Society (JUST Soul Society's forces...not the Vizard's") could in fact defeat his forces. There seems to be no kind of planning, or even consideration of that possibly on Aizen's part...which I as a reader find hard to actually accept, given how great of a villain through his ability to manipulate people, manipulate the situations, and his ability to plan ahead for virtually everything that Aizen was created to be. Am I suppose to believe that Aizen believed in his forces 100% and that the possibility of them being defeated by Soul Society (JUST Soul Society...not the Vizard's) did not cross his mind?

I refuse to believe a character like Aizen would not consider that possibility. There's still a lot of story that has to play out, so we'll see what happens.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

Well, I was right that Tousen's story was not personal "revenge" http://forums.bleachexile.com/showpost.php?p=2045199&postcount=3557, It was with the laws and primarily the central 46 who failed to execute the scum. I really don't see how anyone can discredit Tousen's justice now. He was fighting for a better future he saw (no pun intended). I always thought Aizen killed all of the central 46 but now it looks like Tousen did.

This chapter was good not because of the Tousen flashback and corpse-explode (rofl), but Shinji actually got a nick in, now the vizard fanboys can shutup because that's all he's going to do. Looking forward to see what the giant surprise is with WW, Aizen, and Gin. Ichigo arriving in typical fashion is meh.

[Yadomaru]

I still think the fact that Shinji actually managed to get the drop on Aizen even for a second, which to this date NOBODY has ever done IIRC, and actually land a hit(which AFAIK has never been done either) is in and of itself fairly impressive.
With that said, Shinji was never going to be able to significantly damage Aizen - the plot, as per Shonen Law, dictates that secondary characters v. main villain ALWAYS results in the secondary character losing.
And Shinji, cool as he is, is a secondary character.

Whatever. Still the best Chapter we've had in a looooong while.

[Houzukimaru]

Wow. None of you know how to read, do you?

Allow me to say this one final time - I am fully aware that Aizen could not have predicted the Vizard's coming up. The point I have been trying to make that you all seem to have some drastic failure to understand is Aizen's inability to consider the possibility that Soul Society (JUST Soul Society's forces...not the Vizard's") could in fact defeat his forces. There seems to be no kind of planning, or even consideration of that possibly on Aizen's part...which I as a reader find hard to actually accept, given how great of a villain through his ability to manipulate people, manipulate the situations, and his ability to plan ahead for virtually everything that Aizen was created to be. Am I suppose to believe that Aizen believed in his forces 100% and that the possibility of them being defeated by Soul Society (JUST Soul Society...not the Vizard's) did not cross his mind?

I refuse to believe a character like Aizen would not consider that possibility. There's still a lot of story that has to play out, so we'll see what happens.

We still dont know if he accounted for it or not

The way he didnt seem to care in the slightest that his Espada were being killed off and even killed Halibel himself makes it seem like they're just serving as a distraction or a first wave and he has something else up his sleeve that nobody else knows about (with the possible exception of Gin)

Give it a few more chapters, I'm sure something will happen, Kubo's storytelling has been pretty crap lately but I have a hard time believing he'd allow Aizen to go out this easily after all the build up since the Soul Society Arc, and I'd be really pissed if all the confidence Aizen is still showing is coming entire from the belief that he can just beat everyone himself

[fastaslightning]

I thought we had a week in between chapters? Nice Christmas present.

I am hoping Shinji is not that easily defeated. Him and Aizen need to slice each other more. But alas, dandelion head has showed up, and that means no go for future Shinji Aizen carnage.

Either way, it was a good chapter.

Chris

[TokyoRacer]

We still dont know if he accounted for it or not

The way he didnt seem to care in the slightest that his Espada were being killed off and even killed Halibel himself makes it seem like they're just serving as a distraction or a first wave and he has something else up his sleeve that nobody else knows about (with the possible exception of Gin)

Give it a few more chapters, I'm sure something will happen, Kubo's storytelling has been pretty crap lately but I have a hard time believing he'd allow Aizen to go out this easily after all the build up since the Soul Society Arc, and I'd be really pissed if all the confidence Aizen is still showing is coming entire from the belief that he can just beat everyone himself



I made that point earlier. I find it extremely hard to believe that Aizen, Gin, and Wonderweiss will be able to defeat the remaining combined forces of both Soul Society and the Vizards...not to mention Urahara, Yorichi, Isshin and tessai are still lurking out there.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

^there could always be an insane twist coming up, like Urahara is Aizen's half brother and both are sons of the soul king :P

[Razvan_Asakura]

So, Kubo introduced a blind black captain to us, just so we could not call him a hypocrite and racist. Yet he makes him lose all the fights he did one on one...and now he's dead? Well, daaamn, guess a black guy does die in this movie.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

^Resurrecion tousen did win one on one vs komamura, it was 2v1 when it was masked tousen then he incapacitated Hisagi and he came back with the plotkai force.

[Razvan_Asakura]

^Resurrecion tousen did win one on one vs komamura, it was 2v1 when it was masked tousen then he incapacitated Hisagi and he came back with the plotkai force.

bla bla bla...i say after komamura got owned, it was hisagi vs. tousen.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

haha...a sneak attack through the head hardly constitutes a fight at all. That's like saying a 10 year old could stab Bruce Lee in his prime from behind and "win".

[Wrasvan]

@Tokyo: I was only making the point that, barring the vizards, Aizen had the win.

It's still obvious he has a final card up his sleeve, at least one. That's why I think the Espada were all meant to die, to activate some machine or ability of his, something he brought out of HM, or whatever. But this isn't the final battle, this is war. Aizen will win and run away and Shinji and (maybe) Ichigo will be able to think back on how they managed to cut Aizen all for nothing and then the next arc will begin.

[TokyoRacer]

^there could always be an insane twist coming up, like Urahara is Aizen's half brother and both are sons of the soul king :P


It wouldn't surprise me if Urahara has been working with Aizen the entire time. In fact...that would be a very, very interesting twist.

[Razvan_Asakura]

haha...a sneak attack through the head hardly constitutes a fight at all. That's like saying a 10 year old could stab Bruce Lee in his prime from behind and "win".

who fuckin cares? it's his own damn fault for being such a weak ass. I blame Kubo though. plot twist's really messed up...even if i didn't really liked the guy in the first place.

[TokyoRacer]

@Tokyo: I was only making the point that, barring the vizards, Aizen had the win.

It's still obvious he has a final card up his sleeve, at least one. That's why I think the Espada were all meant to die, to activate some machine or ability of his, something he brought out of HM, or whatever. But this isn't the final battle, this is war. Aizen will win and run away and Shinji and (maybe) Ichigo will be able to think back on how they managed to cut Aizen all for nothing and then the next arc will begin.



Theories on what the possible final card just might be?

[Razvan_Asakura]

haha...a sneak attack through the head hardly constitutes a fight at all. That's like saying a 10 year old could stab Bruce Lee in his prime from behind and "win".

wait...wasn't usually tousen the one who would back-stab idiots? hahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...EPIC WIN. i think now i kind of approve this lame death!

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

He got rid of the trash that no one cared about. He attacked Kensei from behind but it wasn't intended to be lethal since they were going to use him for their experiment.

[Wrasvan]

Theories on what the possible final card just might be?

Well the Espada each embody an aspect of death. This tells me that not only are none of them Vasto Lordes, but Aizen assembled them so that their collective deaths would lead to, let's say a tool or technique that would create the King's Key due to the amount of souls the arrancar have accrued as hollows. Which is why he's stalling, waiting for Yammy to die.

I also think his actions could (intentionally or otherwise) draw out the Royal Guard AND/OR the Vasto Lordes. Soul Society is completely vacant of Captains, and a military force would need to prepare for the worst. Until Aizen killed Harribel I was under the impression he himself wasn't even really there. There still might be that possibility since he hasn't once spoken of/used Kyouka Suigetsu. Like he might have a secret apprentice acting as his double who's powerful.

Anyway, no Captains in SS means someone needs to protect it should the Gotei fall, and all of Aizen's destruction in Hueco Mundo could plausibly draw out the VLs for whatever reason. I think Aizen has, as always, thought three steps ahead. He's not all-powerful, he's even getting cut, but he's prepared.

[Razvan_Asakura]

You know what was his major flaw? he didn't had enough combo's!

it was like this:

1) stab
2) stab2
3) back-stab
4) frontal-stab
5) rip arm off
6) do Mariah Carey impersonation
7) transform into a bug.
8) use tiny hand to squash gigantic stone soldier
9) die. COMBOOOO-BREAKEER!!!!


I'm telling you, weak.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

^FKT is in ss, its in rukongai. Shunsui and Yamamoto would have no problem getting back to seiretei in a flash.

But more than likely if something is going to go down in sereitei, Yoruichi and Urahara will be there.

[Razvan_Asakura]

and you know that, how?

[Wrasvan]

^FKT is in ss, its in rukongai. Shunsui and Yamamoto would have no problem getting back to seiretei in a flash.

But more than likely if something is going to go down in sereitei, Yoruichi and Urahara will be there.

I meant more in the sense of location. Like if Aizen had won in FKT, or if he had just been stalling and could have sent some covert force. Anyone as potentially powerful as maybe one secret Vasto Lorde would mean serious trouble if no one Captain level is in the rest of SS, and Yama/Shuns wouldn't be able to leave easily (maybe Shunsui). Know what I mean?

I'm still unsure about Urahara/Yoruichi. I think Urahara would be doing something more than a final defense against a random intruder, but who knows!

[Sessou]

Now I'm curious to see if Tosen is actually dead or not, after Ichigo came crashing through Aizen's smoke and mirrors parlor trick...

[Razvan_Asakura]

I meant more in the sense of location. Like if Aizen had won in FKT, or if he had just been stalling and could have sent some covert force. Anyone as potentially powerful as maybe one secret Vasto Lorde would mean serious trouble if no one Captain level is in the rest of SS, and Yama/Shuns wouldn't be able to leave easily (maybe Shunsui). Know what I mean?

I'm still unsure about Urahara/Yoruichi. I think Urahara would be doing something more than a final defense against a random intruder, but who knows!

if that were to happen I'm sure all the vaizards could handle it in bankai mode.

[TokyoRacer]

I think that can all be traced back to the bodies that were hanging inside of Szayel's lab that had intrigued Mayuri to the point where he wanted to stay in HM stating that there were more interesting corpses there for him to study...plus upon seeing the bodies it left Ishida and Renji in a state shock...indicating they recognized what the bodies were. I think there is going to be a call back to that later in the story that will play some sort of importance in the overall grand scheme that Aizen has concocted.

Although, I haven't the slightest idea as to what it could possibly be. Perhaps Szayel made a clone of Aizen (maybe even Gin or Tousen) and that clone is currently standing in fake Karakura, and perhaps the real Aizen along with some VL's are invading Soul Society?

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315/06/

It's a common mistake people make, Soul Society = dimension i.e. heaven, hell, or earth. Seireitei + Rukongai = Soul Society (I'm sure there are other regions that haven't been named yet).

[skycrapper]

I think that can all be traced back to the bodies that were hanging inside of Szayel's lab that had intrigued Mayuri to the point where he wanted to stay in HM stating that there were more interesting corpses there for him to study...plus upon seeing the bodies it left Ishida and Renji in a state shock...indicating they recognized what the bodies were. I think there is going to be a call back to that later in the story that will play some sort of importance in the overall grand scheme that Aizen has concocted.

Although, I haven't the slightest idea as to what it could possibly be. Perhaps Szayel made a clone of Aizen (maybe even Gin or Tousen) and that clone is currently standing in fake Karakura, and perhaps the real Aizen along with some VL's are invading Soul Society?

Oh, please not clone. And, furthermore, a clone with same shikai abilities? In other words, Syazel can clone zanpakutou spirit? Grrr . . .

[TokyoRacer]

The bodies that were hanging have some sort of importance, and I believe that importance is pivotal in the grand scheme of Aizen...I'm just tossing out possibilities.

[Wrasvan]

They were infact stated to have a lot of importance, but the only thing that unsettles me worse than the plot twists Kubo lets us see (in the manga) are the ones he doesn't let us see by leading us astray saying 'this is important'.

[TokyoRacer]

They were infact stated to have a lot of importance, but the only thing that unsettles me worse than the plot twists Kubo lets us see (in the manga) are the ones he doesn't let us see by leading us astray saying 'this is important'.

I still cannot figure out what importance those bodies hanging in Szayel's lab could possibly have, and why there are repeated hints at their importance in the Manga...

[Bankai7]

What?

(taking the vizards out of the equation obviously) Aizen had the win in the bag. He was absolutely right about his statement that he didn't have to lift a finger. Harribel would have killed Hitsugaya, Wonderweiss would have arguably been able to go down and slaughter the Vice-Captains in their little healing box. Komamura, Shunsui, and Yamamoto were the only ones really in fighting shape (Hisagi doesn't count, neither does Omaeda) and they still had to deal with Fura, Starrk's exploding wolves and cero storm, Barragan's 'age everything to death' breath, and Harribel's nosebleed inducing tits.. or whatever else she could have done before Aizen decided to kill her for no apparent reason.

Ok the Vizards changed his plans. But as we know Aizen ALWAYS has a back up plan and this time he didn't have shit. He was relying overly in his soldiers if you ask me...and if the Vizards didn't show up he would have lifted a finger because Yamamoto would have pwnd all the Espadas, without getting a scratch.

Now another major bad character dies and it seems that Aizen will lose/retreat so so easily. No Royal Guard to fight, no Ichigo's dad no nothing. Bleach seems to go to the "another major antagonist" direction.

It could turn out that he has a plan, but as of now it seems that Aizen lost his character not talking strictly about power, but about being a good planner and a strategist. This chapter made him lose everything about his wonderful character in my eyes. All his soldiers died one by one and seeing Tousen dying so easily was a huge let down.

[TokyoRacer]

I also considered the possibility of Isshin becoming an antagonist...that would make for a highly interesting storyline, and it's something no one would really see coming. Imagine Isshin working with Aizen this entire time...

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

because Yamamoto would have pwnd all the Espadas, without getting a scratch.


Retard comment of 2009, congratulations on your prize! You've won a bad rep point.

There's no evidence he could have taken all three released espadas on at once, let alone WW still lurking around. He probably could but he'd be forced to go bankai.

[Bankai7]

There's no evidence he could have taken all three released espadas on at once, let alone WW still lurking around. He probably could but he'd be forced to go bankai.

Retard comment of 2009. Congratulations on taking the prize from me. There's no evidence he couldn't have taken all three released espadas on at once...and as you admit it yourself, he probably could, bankai or not was not stated. Congratulations on making no point with your comment.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

and you said without a scratch, that is a pure fanboy comment.

Good comeback...not. Laugh scale: -1

[TokyoRacer]

Retard comment of 2009. Congratulations on taking the prize from me. There's no evidence he couldn't have taken all three released espadas on at once...and as you admit it yourself, he probably could, bankai or not was not stated. Congratulations on making no point with your comment.



It took 4 Captain's using their shikai's to defeat Starrk...

[Bankai7]

Good comeback...not. Laugh scale: -1

Oh we have a 10 years old kid here. That's how you talk in your age? Like robots?

Without a scratch doesn't mean he doesn't go Bankai...moron!

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

I coulda swore 10 year olds are more likely to copy the exact post of a person who just humiliated them i.e. comebacks with no thought or effort...you must know some strange 10 year olds.

[Bankai7]

It took 4 Captain's using their shikai's to defeat Starrk...

Irrelevant. Starkk would have lost if WW wouldn't have intervened. Those two captains were sweating, bleeding against Yamamoto and I'm sure he would have won against them pretty easily.

You coulda hakuteiken, but Laugh scale: -1 really shows how old are you, so give up, everybody knows your age now. Humilitated me? Not even close. I'm feeling embarrassed to tell you the truth by replying to you.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

roflmaocopter...so it goes to "pwning them without a scratch" to "I'm sure...". Consistency there.

[TokyoRacer]

How is that irrelevant? You're making the point that Yamamoto could have easily defeated the top three Espada. I'm making the point that it took 4 captain's to defeat Starrk, 2 captain class fighters to defeat Barragon, and well...a sneak attack by Aizen to kill Harribel, who was fighting on par with Hitsugaya, Lisa, and Hiyori...

Perhaps Yamamoto could win against the top three Espada, but he would certain have to reach down to the depths of his power to obtain a victory.

[Stri]

It took 4 Captain's using their shikai's to defeat Starrk...

Please. It's hilarious how so many people make it sound like he took on all these opponents simultaneously. It only took one serious opponent, to put him down and albeit casually. Makes no difference.

Regarding the chapter: Finally a decent exchange between Shinji and Aizen and here comes Ichigo. GTFO.

[TokyoRacer]

So...you're saying that when Kyoraku and Ukitake were fighting Starrk they weren't taking the fight seriously?

When Rose and Love were fighting Starrk, they weren't taking the fight seriously?

Yeah okay...

[Bankai7]

How is that irrelevant? You're making the point that Yamamoto could have easily defeated the top three Espada. I'm making the point that it took 4 captain's to defeat Starrk, 2 captain class fighters to defeat Barragon, and well...a sneak attack by Aizen to kill Harribel, who was fighting on par with Hitsugaya, Lisa, and Hiyori...

Perhaps Yamamoto could win against the top three Espada, but he would certain have to reach down to the depths of his power to obtain a victory.

It is irrelevant because there were other interferences in their fights. Starrk would have lost by the two captains(not the 4 as you said), Barragan was defeating Soi Fon a not so particularly strong captain and was defeated by a VC.
Lastly Halibel was going to get killed by Lisa I'm sure, but Kubo finished it because there was no point in making her fight.

Yamamoto would have won, perhaps with Bankai but I don't think he would have sweat it. And this has nothing to do with fanboyism...throughout Bleach it is shown that Yamamoto stands on another planet from the other captains. Is like imagining Aizen taking all three Espadas at once...do you really think he would have sweat it? I don't think so.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

Please. It's hilarious how so many people make it sound like he took on all these opponents simultaneously. It only took one serious opponent, to put him down and albeit casually. Makes no difference.

Regarding the chapter: Finally a decent exchange between Shinji and Aizen and here comes Ichigo. GTFO.

Doesn't matter simultaneously or not really...Shunsui admitted he can't utilize all of his games unless his zan is "in the mood", he used 2/4 of his games and they did 0 dmg whatsoever to Stark, and judging by ukitake's face in middle panel: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/363/12/ and the fact Shunsui rushed Stark from behind next page, it's safe to say Ukitake's shikai can be "overloaded". 1000 ceros certainly would have damaged someone as frail as Ukitake, who is not known for endurance or stamina like Komamura or Kenpachi.

And correction: It took one ancient captain (the second strongest "good guy" on the battlefield) using a slight speed advantage and sly maneuvers to "put him down".

P.S., I beg to differ on "casually". http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/374/19/ - Look at his fucking eyes here. Those are the eyes of a ruthless killer.

[Stri]

So...you're saying that when Kyoraku and Ukitake were fighting Starrk they weren't taking the fight seriously?

And Ukitake? Yet another mistake people continue to make. What did Ukitake do exactly? Absolutely nothing besides re-directing a single cero a few times to see if Starrk could see through his ability. That's it. Not once did he engage with Starrk nor was there a confrontation between the three of them.

When Rose and Love were fighting Starrk, they weren't taking the fight seriously?

Doesn't matter. Shunsui as it stands, is far above each of them. Once he stopped fucking around, he beat him. Alone.

And correction: It took one ancient captain (the second strongest "good guy" on the battlefield) using a slight speed advantage and sly maneuvers to "put him down".

There was no correction anywhere. I said it took one opponent to beat him down. You said the exact same thing I did.

[TokyoRacer]

Magically, it no longer matters because I pointed out the contradiction in your statement.

[Stri]

Magically, it no longer matters because I pointed out the contradiction in your statement.

Seems we're done here. Didn't take very long. Now lets get back on-topic guys.

[bleach-it-baby]

that chapter looks epic, and looking back shinjis ability was hinted at when he was first introduced, i cant wait to see it up close when the chapter is translated fully
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-184-page-5.html

[CakeSpoon]

It is irrelevant because there were other interferences in their fights. Starrk would have lost by the two captains(not the 4 as you said), Barragan was defeating Soi Fon a not so particularly strong captain and was defeated by a VC.

Soifon is just as strong as all the other regular captains. Barragan was just stronger. Hacchi being a VC is irrelevant, he's been shown to be able to mix it up alongside captains without struggling.

Lastly Halibel was going to get killed by Lisa I'm sure, but Kubo finished it because there was no point in making her fight.

.....Right. Lisa, who has shown no abilities whatsoever, is stronger than the 3rd Espada. That makes complete sense.

Yamamoto would have won, perhaps with Bankai but I don't think he would have sweat it. And this has nothing to do with fanboyism...throughout Bleach it is shown that Yamamoto stands on another planet from the other captains. Is like imagining Aizen taking all three Espadas at once...do you really think he would have sweat it? I don't think so.

Given we have no idea what Aizen's bankai does, that claim is ridiculous. He's shown nothing that suggests he could get past Barragan's respira.

[pumpkin13]

Theories on what the possible final card just might be?

http://forums.bleachexile.com/showpost.php?p=2031696&postcount=1961

Given we have no idea what Aizen's bankai does, that claim is ridiculous. He's shown nothing that suggests he could get past Barragan's respira.

Number One: Nadegiri

[TokyoRacer]

Do we even want to get into what Aizen's bankai could possibly be?

[Wrasvan]

lol pumpkin is rather proud of that post...

[TokyoRacer]

http://forums.bleachexile.com/showpost.php?p=2031696&postcount=1961



I already read it pumpkin. It's a good theory and it makes sense. You forgot to point out that KT saw it fit to show the creation of WW, and up to this point we have yet to see any other Arracar be created by the Hogyoku...so it seems that WW plays some sort of important part. Perhaps we will see a -1 or something.

[pumpkin13]

thats my thoughts also.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/l_6cc62901277d4c909a79a87cb11316f0.jpg

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

Number One: Nadegiri

I assume you're referring to Yamamoto's shikai ability, but cakespoon is talking about Aizen's bankai.

Anyways Fire can "age". Fire is combustive gases, and if you slow down the movement rate of each molecule the fire will extinguish eventually.

I refuse to accept this comment as your only input into this non-sensical debate. You are a yamamoto fanboy, but I sure as hell would hope you wouldn't take a fanboy stance and say he could take on all three released espada at once and "pwn" them without a "scratch". I'm saying he'd be forced to go bankai, as is Tokyoracer I believe.

[TokyoRacer]

Hey pumpkin, was the creation of WW after or before the part where you point out the whole 20 brother thing?

[pumpkin13]

Not entirely sure, think it may have been after. That stuff is really early on.

@Shukei: That was a response to showing nothing could get past Barrigan's respire. Aging that attack just means it's going to get to him faster. We don't know if it's anything to do with fire. It doesn't look like fire... even the anime animators didn't know QUITE what was going on...

[Wrasvan]

The 20 brothers comment was about two pages after Hitsugaya's statement that 10 Vasto Lordes would defeat Soul Society. So right after Ichigo's first encounter with Ulquiorra and Yammy, which would be chapter... 190-something?

[fastaslightning]

Doesn't matter simultaneously or not really...Shunsui admitted he can't utilize all of his games unless his zan is "in the mood", he used 2/4 of his games and they did 0 dmg whatsoever to Stark, and judging by ukitake's face in middle panel: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/363/12/ and the fact Shunsui rushed Stark from behind next page, it's safe to say Ukitake's shikai can be "overloaded". 1000 ceros certainly would have damaged someone as frail as Ukitake, who is not known for endurance or stamina like Komamura or Kenpachi.

And correction: It took one ancient captain (the second strongest "good guy" on the battlefield) using a slight speed advantage and sly maneuvers to "put him down".

P.S., I beg to differ on "casually". http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/374/19/ - Look at his fucking eyes here. Those are the eyes of a ruthless killer.

It can be argued either way. Rose and Love were kinda pissed and literally only scratched by all those wolf attacks. His glasses were all that was destroyed. http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000226792/18.jpg

They are very far from being done for. It was NOT Shunshi's wish to fight with the others involved. The fight wasn't over, and he hadn't lost. Stark lost because he took his eye off the ball, and did not finish Shunshi. Hell before he fought Shunshi 1 on 1 he didn't even actually harm him.

Now seeing that Stark didn't harm Ukitaki, or Shunshi, but Yamaji was going to incinerate BOTH of them I can see that if a shikai Shunshi can own #1 espada and Yama can beat 2 bankai Shunshi's (what I suspect was hinted at, but that is my only conjecture) which would be 20 times more powerful than we saw whoop number 1 (being bankai's are 10x more powerful than shikai's) then it is not a very big step to say that a bankai released Yama could destroy all the espada. Being bankai released does not mean he took damage, so it could also mean unscratched.

But, I see your argument as well that Yama probably wouldn't just go Bankai, just to do it. He would be forced. Meaning scratches. Although if Aizen can reitzu blast #6 and higher, and probably all of them since they only respect power, I think Yama may be able to as well, and that would mean shikai wins with no scratches if he collapses the espada with reitzu up to say 4 or 5 easy.

Chris

[TokyoRacer]

I would think that -1 would make WW the weakest of the new espada or Vasto Lorde's?

Are you suggesting that the other people present have similar tattoo's that have a negative number?

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

Stark didn't harm Shunsui at all because the cero blast wasn't meant to. There were only 2 points since Stark released where he was serious about "killing" his opponent. They were when he was going to fire 1k ceros before WW and the link you just showed. Him shooting Shunsui from behind was not so much an attack but rather defense of a comrade since Shunsui was gunning for WW's head.

The point is Yamamoto complimented Shunsui on his speed, and Stark was arguably just as fast if not slightly slower. He surprised Ukitake by sonidoing right next to him and Ukitake is probably no slouch. Released stark would easily be able to dodge the shikai attack Yama used to torch halibel's fraccion. They were retards who jumped in from behind guns blazing. Stark is much more analytical, and was even impressed when Yamamoto put the firewall up, whereas halibel and barragan just had cocky smirks on their mug.

[fastaslightning]

He had just said that since WW was here he wasn't playing any more, but the blast didn't mean to kill/incapacitate? I have a hard time believing that, but it is neither here nor there. An ancient captain shikai beat a previously unharmed (therefore full power) Stark with 2 basic slashes, and one hit back. It did not take 4 captains. It took one, going full out. Yes Stark was entertaining the 4 of them, but none of them hit him until he fought 1 on 1.

The pic I posted also suggests that Love was pretty pissed, and no where near being done with. Could he beat Stark? Who knows, he seems like a power player, where Shunshi is clearly a thinking man's fighter. But either way Yama was owning 2 ancient captains that have shown amazing adaptation for ending fights with espada in 2 hits or less in shikai (Aizen did on Haribel as well) and these espada were hands and feet above the fodder that Ichigo and Kenpachi fought. It is still very possible that with a reitzu blast and shikai Yama could have ended the Espada as we know it now.

Although I like the -1 for WW, and it would explain how he managed a very powerful attack on Ukitaki, that may have taken him out

Chris

[TokyoRacer]

The long gestating rumor that Ukitake has been working for Aizen all along only finds more ground in the fact that WW singled him out with his attack. perhpas it was designed for Ukitake to appear to be disabled but allow him to work in the shadows for some type of plan Aizen wants initiated.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

Yes Stark was entertaining the 4 of them, but none of them hit him until he fought 1 on 1.

You missed the part where Love in mask + shikai hit Stark directly and it didn't even break his skin or give him a bruise? He was about ready to take a nap instead of getting back up. http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/372/10/

But either way Yama was owning 2 ancient captains that have shown amazing adaptation for ending fights with espada in 2 hits or less in shikai (Aizen did on Haribel as well) and

We don't know how the fight went at all. We saw the entire surrounding area completely scorched, and only minor gashes on ukitake/shunsui. It's dumb to say "owning" them it was more of a stalemate since Ukitake and Shunsui were on the defensive and didn't want to fight at all. If shunsui had the eyes he had when he finished Stark it'd be a different story.

Also Aizen didn't really use his shikai on Halibel or Hitsugaya. For halibel, he slashed her then he used his illusion and poked her from behind. From what we've seen with Barragan, his shikai can remain perma-activated without releasing. His shikai doesn't improve cutting power or anything whereas most other captains do. Aizen is just really strong, with or without his zanpakuto.

[pumpkin13]

I would think that -1 would make WW the weakest of the new espada or Vasto Lorde's?

Are you suggesting that the other people present have similar tattoo's that have a negative number?

Yep. Likely right up to -10

The point is Yamamoto complimented Shunsui on his speed, and Stark was arguably just as fast if not slightly slower. He surprised Ukitake by sonidoing right next to him and Ukitake is probably no slouch. Released stark would easily be able to dodge the shikai attack Yama used to torch halibel's fraccion. They were retards who jumped in from behind guns blazing. Stark is much more analytical, and was even impressed when Yamamoto put the firewall up, whereas halibel and barragan just had cocky smirks on their mug.

IMO Stark is slightly faster than shikai shunsui given that he was able to dodge attacks from shunsui which were designed to catch Stark off-guard, and from behind, on numerous occasions.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

IMO Stark is slightly faster than shikai shunsui given that he was able to dodge attacks from shunsui which were designed to catch Stark off-guard, and from behind, on numerous occasions.

that's a good point, but goes back to my original post with Stri that Shunsui relied primarily on sly manuevers, i.e. using his hat and haori on numerous occasions to distract Stark.

[CakeSpoon]

Yama even said that Ukitake & Shunsui, when working together, were stronger than anyone else before or after them. So I doubt "owned" would describe the fight accurately.

[pumpkin13]

I wouldn't say they were getting owned, but i certainly don't think they were getting anywhere. And given we now know what Shunsui's shikai is capable of, and at least part of what Ukitake's shikai is capable of... Yama must be one uber badass to take them both on by himself.

[TokyoRacer]

I think it's funny that Kyoraku's shikai release command has NOTHING to do with his zanpakuto's true powers.

I think the whole "makes children's games real" was something that KT thought up pretty recently, and was never his original plan for Katen Kyokotsu's true ability.

[Legend12]

There's something up... Many of you have interesting theories on what is happening. whats weird to me is that he pretty much has only to people fighting for him right now and it doesnt seem like they are strong enough to defeat the remaining Vizards and Captains. So Is Aizen truely that confident in his power to not care about that. Does he really think hes going to win. Well why shouldnt he, it could be that it he has made them think he was there all along but not really.

Concerning the Chapter I couldnt really see it and i cant read it so ill just wait until it really comes out or does anybody have a better place to read it.

[CakeSpoon]

I wouldn't say they were getting owned, but i certainly don't think they were getting anywhere. And given we now know what Shunsui's shikai is capable of, and at least part of what Ukitake's shikai is capable of... Yama must be one uber badass to take them both on by himself.

Or they weren't using their powers fully, not that I'm disagreeing about Yama being badass, but I would assume he included himself when he said they were stronger than everyone else.

[Shūkei hakuteiken]

on a side note, i wonder if the chapter title "ignited" has anything to do with the way Tousen went out. Did Aizen get a hold of some of Mayuri's bombs!?!

[CakeSpoon]

on a side note, i wonder if the chapter title "ignited" has anything to do with the way Tousen went out. Did Aizen get a hold of some of Mayuri's bombs!?!

lol. BE: the only place in the world were the actual topic is a side note.

[Furret]

I hope Hirako does have some other ability while in shikai... This one is not as strong as I have expected.

[Legend12]

I think it's funny that Kyoraku's shikai release command has NOTHING to do with his zanpakuto's true powers.

I think the whole "makes children's games real" was something that KT thought up pretty recently, and was never his original plan for Katen Kyokotsu's true ability.

Right, but it was still a great power for him though... and in the episodes they made it seem like ukitakes zan was more playful then shunsui i guess they didnt take that into account. Shunsui's zan looked like they had a darker stronger power never looking like they would play although one part of the zan was a little girl

[CakeSpoon]

Right, but it was still a great power for him though... and in the episodes they made it seem like ukitakes zan was more playful then shunsui i guess they didnt take that into account. Shunsui's zan looked like they had a darker stronger power never looking like they would play although one part of the zan was a little girl

The games are very dark & sinister. If Shunsui uses his shikai's full power, someone will die, that's it, there's no halfway, someone WILL die. It's the most sinister zan we've seen so far.

[Arty]

Ohoho creepy :'D

[pds]

Also Aizen didn't really use his shikai on Halibel or Hitsugaya. For halibel, he slashed her then he used his illusion and poked her from behind.

How can you contradict yourself so blatantly?

[Vaizard Prince]

The bodies that were hanging have some sort of importance, and I believe that importance is pivotal in the grand scheme of Aizen...I'm just tossing out possibilities.

Maybe we are going to see Aizen ala Pein from Naruto? :sick:

[d2sharp]

Maybe we are going to see Aizen ala Pein from Naruto? :sick:

I highly doubt it. That would kill bleach right in it's tracks.

[Vaizard Prince]

Yep, it definitely would. For me at least.

OT: This chapter looks sick! And i like the theory about negative number Espada being VL's. Good call, pumpkin.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Yep, it definitely would. For me at least.

OT: This chapter looks sick! And i like the theory about negative number Espada being VL's. Good call, pumpkin.

then should we expect the -10 VL to be the future -0 one? :rollseyes:

[Vaizard Prince]

then should we expect the -10 VL to be the future -0 one? :rollseyes:

Heh, I wouldn't bet against it. :tongue:

[pumpkin13]

The games are very dark & sinister. If Shunsui uses his shikai's full power, someone will die, that's it, there's no halfway, someone WILL die. It's the most sinister zan we've seen so far.

I dunno, i think somethings been misinterpreted in the translation there.

[Komotion]

where did it talk about negatives being VL in this chp? I think i missed it, and also, im probably stating the obvious but tosen looks like a fly...

[seraphim]

Could be that Aizen's using Kyouka again and the Aizen that Shinji is fighting is actually Gin in disguise, wouldnt be the first time he's used KS in conjunction with Gin.

Actually I think that´s not true, because on the last page you see Ichigo looking straight at Aizen and he´s the only one not affected by the illusion at the moment.

Looks like an awesome chapter though.

[pumpkin13]

i didnt say it was a definite just a possibility.

[Talnar]

Amazing chapter, Bleach is finally (for me) back on form. Hopefully Ichigo won't be able to fight just yet, I want to see Shinji and Aizen go at it some more with their mind fuck zans.

[theseraph]

lol at corpse explosion, diablo 2 madness. yes this chapter is it, if kubo did this weekly he'd put bleach at the top of the podium, but i realize how hard it is to build up to such moments and deliver. all the same, shinji just got ill slashed by aizen, unless he bankais i would give aizen the clear advantage in the shikai fight. granted, he's the first to shed aizen's blood EVAR, but still. ichigo showing up as usual leaping, never quietly shunpoing to a spot. i love how that garganta opened right above aizen, silent attack, NOT.
i'm goo goo for this chapter.

[pds]

lol at corpse explosion, diablo 2 madness. yes this chapter is it, if kubo did this weekly he'd put bleach at the top of the podium, but i realize how hard it is to build up to such moments and deliver. all the same, shinji just got ill slashed by aizen, unless he bankais i would give aizen the clear advantage in the shikai fight. granted, he's the first to shed aizen's blood EVAR, but still. ichigo showing up as usual leaping, never quietly shunpoing to a spot. i love how that garganta opened right above aizen, silent attack, NOT.
i'm goo goo for this chapter.

I am still inclined to believe that Ichigo is actually a baka, showing up behind Aizen like that.

[shinji]

Loved this chapter, i've been waiting a long long time for this. Shinjis shikai is not as good at manipulating the senses as aizen but i'd say his zan would be more focused on your eyes and how you portray things. A shunsui vs shinji fight would be the ultimate mind fuck.

[theseraph]

i was kinda hoping shinji can continually turn things upside down as in right becomes left and can also be switched to up/down respectively, ultimate mindfuck. you'd need to beast sudoku to fuck with shinji's mind lol.

[shinji]

Maybe he can we've seen very little so far just a little taste. He would have to if he wants to fight aizen, as aizen would figure it out after awhile.

[d2sharp]

I'm sorry but how the fuck is Koma standing, he had his gut blown away :/.

[CakeSpoon]

He has good guy superpowers.

[shinji]

I do believe that like all fat people komu used his stomach as a defense mechanism.

[Paragon]

I'm sorry but how the fuck is Koma standing, he had his gut blown away :/.

Sajin's just a tank. He managed to get up pretty quickly after Aizen hit him with a level 90 kidou as well.

[theseraph]

koma has insane vitality, much like zaraki. nuff said. even they however can't top hinamori. j/k

[pds]

That wasn't funny at all theseraph x_x Hinamori would own Zaraki and Koma as if they were Omeada and Sasakibe.

[CakeSpoon]

She did survive against Aizen, so she's at least more durable than Harribel. lol.

[d2sharp]

But it's the way he was portrayed in the last chapter after tousen pwned his bankai, Koma looked like he was fading.
Also shinji must be pissed, for Aizen not to have seen his shikai at all, and to have already sussed it out is a bad omen for him lol. I think we can actually put aizen as currently the smartest, if not tied at the top with mayuri, and urahara.

[CakeSpoon]

But it's the way he was portrayed in the last chapter after tousen pwned his bankai, Koma looked like he was fading.
Also shinji must be pissed, for Aizen not to have seen his shikai at all, and to have already sussed it out is a bad omen for him lol. I think we can actually put aizen as currently the smartest, if not tied at the top with mayuri, and urahara.

Starrk & Shunsui are definitely up there in battle smarts.

[shinji]

But it's the way he was portrayed in the last chapter after tousen pwned his bankai, Koma looked like he was fading.
Also shinji must be pissed, for Aizen not to have seen his shikai at all, and to have already sussed it out is a bad omen for him lol. I think we can actually put aizen as currently the smartest, if not tied at the top with mayuri, and urahara.Aizen didn't really suss it out, shini cut him then he used his absolute hypnosis. Thats not sussing it out like what stark did to shunsui it's simply using an amazingly powerful and hax ability.

[pds]

Aizen didn't really suss it out, shini cut him then he used his absolute hypnosis. Thats not sussing it out like what stark did to shunsui it's simply using an amazingly powerful and hax ability.

WHAT?

[contrast]

When is the translated version out?

[Talnar]

Hey guys, was just reading my manga volumes before sleep and noticed something interesting! It's not much to discuss, but relevant to the chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/184/05/

Now, the translation in the viz volumes comes out a little differently. Instead of he has a talent for writing things backwards, Shinji actually says he has a talent for reversing things. Thought it was pretty nifty that our first encounter with him actually drops a very subtle hint towards the ability of his zan.

[CakeSpoon]

Hey guys, was just reading my manga volumes before sleep and noticed something interesting! It's not much to discuss, but relevant to the chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/184/05/

Now, the translation in the viz volumes comes out a little differently. Instead of he has a talent for writing things backwards, Shinji actually says he has a talent for reversing things. Thought it was pretty nifty that our first encounter with him actually drops a very subtle hint towards the ability of his zan.

That's why most people were already sort of expecting that Shinji's power would be pretty much what it is. It was nice foreshadowing on Kubo's part.

[Talnar]

I didn't pick up on it because I watched the anime up until Ichigo and co arrived in Hueco Mundo. But even then I'm sure I'd have forgotten x] Very clever stuff.

[pds]

Hey guys, was just reading my manga volumes before sleep and noticed something interesting! It's not much to discuss, but relevant to the chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/184/05/

Now, the translation in the viz volumes comes out a little differently. Instead of he has a talent for writing things backwards, Shinji actually says he has a talent for reversing things. Thought it was pretty nifty that our first encounter with him actually drops a very subtle hint towards the ability of his zan.

That is actually pretty old, and people already were speculating about his Zan at that time.

[Takalo]

But it seems the wonderful character that Aizen was developed to be has been a huge let down.Do you simply say this in every thread and then continue to ignore history, reason, and the Kubo interview? If you'll recall, Aizen only explained all of his diabolical plans after he had essentially secured his goals -- not once, not twice, but three times that I can think of from the top of my head. The end of the Soul Society arc, once while talking to everyone in Hueco Mundo, and at the end of the Turn Back the Pendulum flashback.

There's absolutely no reason to assume that he's lost his luster, especially when Kubo said that "we'll see a more evil Aizen" and it's essentially guaranteed that Aizen lives to see another day by virtue of there being an entire major story arc left. If Aizen isn't talking, chances are good that he's working toward his goals.

It seems like jumping the gun to slam the character or call the development disappointing at this time.

I've been reading more of your posts as I've gone along in the thread and you refuse to believe that he's going down, so I guess this post was fairly pointless. However, I spent the time typing it, so... sorry, here it is.

[kmand1000]

Do you simply say this in every thread and then continue to ignore history, reason, and the Kubo interview? If you'll recall, Aizen only explained all of his diabolical plans after he had essentially secured his goals -- not once, not twice, but three times that I can think of from the top of my head. The end of the Soul Society arc, once while talking to everyone in Hueco Mundo, and at the end of the Turn Back the Pendulum flashback.

There's absolutely no reason to assume that he's lost his luster, especially when Kubo said that "we'll see a more evil Aizen" and it's essentially guaranteed that Aizen lives to see another day by virtue of there being an entire major story arc left. If Aizen isn't talking, chances are good that he's working toward his goals.

It seems like jumping the gun to slam the character or call the development disappointing at this time.

Agreed. People need to understand what happens to Aizen initially isn't always as it appears.

[theseraph]

aizen's still got yammy and WW and the ever ready to kill ichimaru with him, plenty of strength in that group to achieve his present goal. which might be to lose. or uh, that's happening on its own lol jk.

truthfully, he's the man with a plan, and i can't wait and see how far ahead he is still.

[jambi]

I don't know about you guys but the most note worthy and epic part of this chapter is Shinji wiped that damn smile off of Aizen's face. I'm just bummed Aizen was able to get used to Sakanade so fast.

Also appears being defeated by your former VC is quite a humbling experience. Touson looses a couple of levels on the douchebag factor and we continue to get some great dialogue between him and Koma.

And enter Ichigo. Personally I'm a little more excited to see Unohana but considering there are still so many around capable of fighting I don't think she'll be serving up piping hot ass whuppins just yet.

[Bankai - Ichigo]

I noticed earlier that some people were saying that they were surprised at Ichigo "breaking through an illusion". He wasn't; that was just Ichigo coming out of the Garganta.

I do agree that Aizen might have something up his sleeve, well actually he definitely does, considering he's been so calm for a long time, not even worrying about his Espada being killed left and right; almost like he wanted to them be killed, no? He had sacrificed them, and tired out Soul Society's forces. And like Pumpkin said, because of the comment Aizen made about the "20 brothers," there are definitely 10 VL Arrancar waiting in the wings with negative numbers. The only thing is, Wonderwiess may not be one of those twenty since he was made into an Arrancar after that event.

And yeah, I'm liking Shinji's Shikai. I just have this feeling that something bad's going to happen to Shinji and, maybe, also to Ichigo.

[Angels Punishment]

Best chapter in a long time. Moar like this please. 10/10

I noticed earlier that some people were saying that they were surprised at Ichigo "breaking through an illusion". He wasn't; that was just Ichigo coming out of the Garganta.

How do you know? Didn't look anything like the Gargantas we've seen before, nor the opening of the one he just left in the first place. Seemed like breaking out of an illusion more than anything. You still might be right though, I just didn't want to cross it out. I figured Unohana would be right behind him though.

[Paragon]

Awesome chapter. I loved how Aizen managed to analyse and find a way past Shinji's Shikai so quickly, guess its down to Plan B for Shinji! I'm expecting or atleast hoping that from now on it'd be Shinji AND Ichigo vs Aizen, with a Shinji Bankai thrown into the mix. I really don't want to see Ichigo fight Aizen one on one because we all know whats going happen with that one plus some more Shinji spotlight wouldn't be too bad.

Tousen's death just raised Aizen level of evil by a few more levels and to think people at one stage were questioning whether or not he was actually evil. O.o

I agree with B-I about Ichigo just smashing though Garganta, i thought that was so obvious. 10/10

[Angels Punishment]

It just makes me wonder if Ichigo would just attack like that again. I mean the last time didn't work. He's much stronger now but I don't think it's enough to attack Aizen like that without a mask or anything. Ah well. Guess we have to wait for the next chapter

[annsaint]

there's no need to slice through a garganta. just like there's no need to smash your car through the garage door.

from the way things were drawn, it looks like an area right behind aizen got torn.
it would be too convenient for a garganta to put ichigo where he needed to be.

rather awkward for aizen to finish off tousen while midbattle with shinji. this sloppied the rhythm of the chapter.

at least the pace has picked up to where it should be. we can excuse a less than perfect chapter when there is some story progression.

[CakeSpoon]

This chapter had some surprises for me, the largest of them was that I kinda started to like Tosen, every time Koma speaks I like him more, Shinji's power would be a lot better if he didn't fucking explain it all & finally, looking at Hisagi can make you explode, who knew?

[UnadvisedGoose]

^100% agreed, on all actually.

[Talnar]

Yeah, I have to admit. Explaining your zans ability before you use it is really really stupid. Sure, Aizen would have worked it out anyway but Shinji may have actually gotten more than a flesh wound in.

[annsaint]

maybe ichigo will explain getsuga tenshou before he uses it.

[-MaNi-]

mannn, i actually liked tousen FOR ONCE!.. i was happy that kubo actually didnt kill him off, no surprises there.. then he goes and kills him off! that was quite a big turn in the chapter, loved koma's reaction to it and aizen. Shinji had a cool ability, seems to hax, but aizen still manages to be fine with it. Kind of dumbs down shinji's ability imo
Ichigo coming in is expected but cool nonetheless. Aizen doesnt seem too surprised or anything by ichigo, so guess no shock from him there. Though his face at shinji's shikai was priceless! lol

[Inazagi]

I have to say that this is probably one of my favourite chapters -ever- in Bleach.

The Koma/Tou/His part really touched me, totally changing my opinion of Tousen in the process. Such a great way for him to go.

I do feel bad for Koma/His. They were trying to convert their comrade/officer/pillar of support back to who they thought he was.

When back in human form, with brief eyesight, Tousen takes on an almost childlike innocence.

Damn... I loved this chapter so much. 10/10.

[nasandre]

Wow what an Christmas present! That Bankai has pushed me over and into Shinji fandom!

This might just be the best chapter yet.

[Vergil]

^
Actually it's only shikai.
And yeah, Tousens part was great.

[afrotaito]

should we start taking bets as to wether aizen will stop ichigo with one finger again this time? i think he will.

exciting precurser to the next chapter

[Sahar]

One of the best bleach chapters ever...frickin loved it. 10/10

Shinji's ability is awesome, it would be unbelievably difficult to keep up with him in a high speed battle. (he doesn't even have his mask on yet)

Only thing that I could complain about is Ichigo showing up...I wanted more Aizen-Shinji action.

fox face is Yoda of the Bleach world.

[Rapeness]

Really enjoyed this chapter. Tousen finally shows himself as we know him, once again. Shinji is an idiot as he explained his ability. He could have assraped Aizen. Kinda dissapointed with Ichigo butting in, never been into grouprapes.

[Talnar]

should we start taking bets as to wether aizen will stop ichigo with one finger again this time? i think he will.

exciting precurser to the next chapter

Two fingers, then K.O. That would be awesome.

[Razvan_Asakura]

I say that his smile will be enough. He'll just blind Ichigo with his secret move, "FLASHY WHITE TEETH!". Colgate style, biatch.

[fnord]

Wow. None of you know how to read, do you?

Allow me to say this one final time - I am fully aware that Aizen could not have predicted the Vizard's coming up. The point I have been trying to make that you all seem to have some drastic failure to understand is Aizen's inability to consider the possibility that Soul Society (JUST Soul Society's forces...not the Vizard's") could in fact defeat his forces. There seems to be no kind of planning, or even consideration of that possibly on Aizen's part...which I as a reader find hard to actually accept, given how great of a villain through his ability to manipulate people, manipulate the situations, and his ability to plan ahead for virtually everything that Aizen was created to be. Am I suppose to believe that Aizen believed in his forces 100% and that the possibility of them being defeated by Soul Society (JUST Soul Society...not the Vizard's) did not cross his mind?

I refuse to believe a character like Aizen would not consider that possibility. There's still a lot of story that has to play out, so we'll see what happens.

Aizen never really struck me as someone who really had a firm grip on reality. Unless his plans really are totally different than what he has said, he has passed up a wealth of opportunities to make his insurrection easier. In the end, I think he is just drunk on power and playing god, and also rather insane. I don't think it is uncommon for for great talents to have huge blind spots, for instance due to gross overconfidence. When everything goes right for a while, one tends to forget that things can go wrong. It takes a long time to learn that there is always the chance that something can go wrong, and even really smart people (perhaps most commonly even) are susceptible to this.

I don't know though that he thought his troops were beyond being defeated by just the G13. That was probably something he considered, since he does not really have much faith in anyone other than himself. (But again, just throwing them away is such a waste; it doesn't seem to bother Aizen at all, which is a good argument for his insanity.)

[JayR]

Great chapter love where the story is going, hope it stays so good with some decent plot twist in it too. Can't wait.

[TheLegend/MVP]

fuck fuck fuck Aizen suprise BLEACH is the best manga ever.....~~~~

[pds]

Wow, translation was definitely epic, Shinji explaining his ability is some sort of way to reveal someone's ability just like Aizen explaining his KS to Unohana.

[fastaslightning]

Something tells me that Aizen and co are completely unharmed. I know it would be a suck and easy turn, but Ichigo breaking through the entire background with a completely different background makes me think that some shenanigans are a foot.

I hope I am wrong, and Tousen is dead, but it was too simple, too clean. The blind guy that is searching for justice/revenge has been shown the light. It is too tidy. I mean, why would a man who held a grudge for 100+ years just give it away because of one fight. He turned his back on these very people and followed Aizen for that long only to be shown the light in 1 fight? I don't buy it. I think his exploding/death is a trick. I think the color pages at the end are pointing to this as well.http://static.bleachexile.com/manga/bleach/386/22.jpg

I know this is simply art, and I know it doesn't necessarily mean something, but we saw Tousen die in that very chapter, but then the art in it shows Ichigo showing up and the first person he is going to have to fight apparently is Tousen.

That situation too closely resembles the actual situation to be coincidental IMO. If Tousen is dead in that very chapter and Ichigo never fights him, why would he be there? Why not just have it Gin? Ichigo has a beef with Gin sorta, so it would work.

The chapter is great, and I like the fights, but this is just too easy to see, and KT is normally a bit better at taking a story to better conclusions. Like the SS arc. No one saw Aizen as the baddy until it was almost done. We were all focused on Byakuya. We are now all focused on Tousen dieing, and I have a feeling it is all BS, and that Aizen believed Ulq, and thought all the SS that went to HM would die and not be a factor, or get stuck there and not be a factor.

Chris

[pds]

Something tells me that Aizen and co are completely unharmed. I know it would be a suck and easy turn, but Ichigo breaking through the entire background with a completely different background makes me think that some shenanigans are a foot.

I hope I am wrong, and Tousen is dead, but it was too simple, too clean. The blind guy that is searching for justice/revenge has been shown the light. It is too tidy. I mean, why would a man who held a grudge for 100+ years just give it away because of one fight. He turned his back on these very people and followed Aizen for that long only to be shown the light in 1 fight? I don't buy it. I think his exploding/death is a trick. I think the color pages at the end are pointing to this as well.http://static.bleachexile.com/manga/bleach/386/22.jpg

I know this is simply art, and I know it doesn't necessarily mean something, but we saw Tousen die in that very chapter, but then the art in it shows Ichigo showing up and the first person he is going to have to fight apparently is Tousen.

That situation too closely resembles the actual situation to be coincidental IMO. If Tousen is dead in that very chapter and Ichigo never fights him, why would he be there? Why not just have it Gin? Ichigo has a beef with Gin sorta, so it would work.

The chapter is great, and I like the fights, but this is just too easy to see, and KT is normally a bit better at taking a story to better conclusions. Like the SS arc. No one saw Aizen as the baddy until it was almost done. We were all focused on Byakuya. We are now all focused on Tousen dieing, and I have a feeling it is all BS, and that Aizen believed Ulq, and thought all the SS that went to HM would die and not be a factor, or get stuck there and not be a factor.

Chris

Well:

http://www.pichost.de/p/101209-f100.gif

[Bankai7]

Soifon is just as strong as all the other regular captains. Barragan was just stronger. Hacchi being a VC is irrelevant, he's been shown to be able to mix it up alongside captains without struggling.

.....Right. Lisa, who has shown no abilities whatsoever, is stronger than the 3rd Espada. That makes complete sense.



Given we have no idea what Aizen's bankai does, that claim is ridiculous. He's shown nothing that suggests he could get past Barragan's respira.

You people are delusional. If you think that Aizen couldn't beat all three Espadas together, then we are reading another manga. Use common sense and stop your Espada fanboyism.

[Wrasvan]

Sweet chapter. Finally got to see a long awaited shikai with unique abilities that hinder Aizen enough to cut him without being a "A beats B" scenario like Harribel conventiently controlling water. Tousen's death was a bit sad, hopefully his fans will see him redeemed; even I was convinced we wouldn't get any more screentime from him. Ichigo is charging into battle just as I thought. Hopefully it won't be three weeks before we get another chapter. 8/10.

[d3m1G0d]

I noticed earlier that some people were saying that they were surprised at Ichigo "breaking through an illusion". He wasn't; that was just Ichigo coming out of the Garganta.

I do agree that Aizen might have something up his sleeve, well actually he definitely does, considering he's been so calm for a long time, not even worrying about his Espada being killed left and right; almost like he wanted to them be killed, no? He had sacrificed them, and tired out Soul Society's forces. And like Pumpkin said, because of the comment Aizen made about the "20 brothers," there are definitely 10 VL Arrancar waiting in the wings with negative numbers. The only thing is, Wonderwiess may not be one of those twenty since he was made into an Arrancar after that event.

And yeah, I'm liking Shinji's Shikai. I just have this feeling that something bad's going to happen to Shinji and, maybe, also to Ichigo.

Best chapter in a long time. Moar like this please. 10/10



How do you know? Didn't look anything like the Gargantas we've seen before, nor the opening of the one he just left in the first place. Seemed like breaking out of an illusion more than anything. You still might be right though, I just didn't want to cross it out. I figured Unohana would be right behind him though.

Awesome chapter. I loved how Aizen managed to analyse and find a way past Shinji's Shikai so quickly, guess its down to Plan B for Shinji! I'm expecting or atleast hoping that from now on it'd be Shinji AND Ichigo vs Aizen, with a Shinji Bankai thrown into the mix. I really don't want to see Ichigo fight Aizen one on one because we all know whats going happen with that one plus some more Shinji spotlight wouldn't be too bad.

Tousen's death just raised Aizen level of evil by a few more levels and to think people at one stage were questioning whether or not he was actually evil. O.o

I agree with B-I about Ichigo just smashing though Garganta, i thought that was so obvious. 10/10

Since when does anyone break out of a garganta like glass? That was Ichigo breaking into Shinji's illusion/world. This leads me to wonder, will Ichigo be affected? If he is then that means that Shinji's shikai is static (meaning that things are reversed period) if not then that means Shinji has fine control over whose senses are reversed and when a particular sense is reversed.

[Razvan_Asakura]

That idea is sick. Would be pretty cool to see that Ichigo will just take the fight away from shinji or at least join seriously. Just hope aizen won't flee...

[Graziano]

Since when does anyone break out of a garganta like glass? That was Ichigo breaking into Shinji's illusion/world. This leads me to wonder, will Ichigo be affected? If he is then that means that Shinji's shikai is static (meaning that things are reversed period) if not then that means Shinji has fine control over whose senses are reversed and when a particular sense is reversed.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315/16/

Ulquiorra breaks out from another dimension and it appears like glass is breaking. With Ichigo, the gargantua hadn't fully opened yet so he essentially broke through into another dimension.

[d3m1G0d]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315/16/

Ulquiorra breaks out from another dimension and it appears like glass is breaking. With Ichigo, the gargantua hadn't fully opened yet so he essentially broke through into another dimension.

That was from negacion though. We have never seen a garganta being opened this way, yet we've seen at least two illusions break this way.

[Paragon]

The Garganta wasn't even opened halfway when Ichigo suddenly appeared.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-400-page-20.html

It just seems to me like Ichigo smashed his way through.

[samir12]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/376/04/

When Halibel lunged through the illusion Aizen, it broke like a glass, so Ichigo could of broke through shinji's illusion, but we saw the garganta opening aswell so he may have just broke through that instead.

Great chapter by the way, Shinji's shikai is really hax but so is Aizen. 10/10

[d2sharp]

It seems that it's ichigo has broken through the question is whos' is it, Aizen or Shinji?.
However it could be a gargantua since as paragon say we do see something opening on that last panel.
Until we see unohana appear I doubt we can say.

[d3m1G0d]

It's an illusion ichigo has broken through the question is whos' is it, Aizen or Shinji?.
I doubt it's a gargantua since it's white on the inside, and not black or a dotty black.
Until we see unohana appear I doubt we can say.

I'd wager Shinji's for the simple fact that Aizen's eyes still seem focused on Tousen. I think he'd have noticed if it was his illusion.

[Razvan_Asakura]

who said he didn't notice?


his eyes pretty much look like he somehow did.

[Wrasvan]

I just assumed it was the garganta, since Shinji's words were about controlling "a person"s sense of orientation.. if it was a large-scale illusion, he'd fuck up everyone's fighting style. Plus Ichigo isn't under Aizen's hypnosis so there's nothing else it could be except him breaking into Fake K-Town.

[pds]

It is most likely just breaking through the garganta, he didn't wait for it to fully open and just wanted to rush, typical Ichigo.

[Razvan_Asakura]

so, now bleach characters can break through time & space?

[bkbreede]

so, now bleach characters can break through time & space?

WTF are you talking about? If you actually look on the panel before Ichigo breaks through you can clearly see a garganta opening up.

[Paragon]

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-282.html

Its possible in Bleach. Inoue pretty much screws around with time like its a joke so whatever i guess.

[d3m1G0d]

WTF are you talking about? If you actually look on the panel before Ichigo breaks through you can clearly see a garganta opening up.

You are proving his point. If(strong if) that is a garganta then characters can indeed break through time and space(seeing that it was not completely opened and he forced his way into another dimension.)

Again, strong if.

[Razvan_Asakura]

WTF are you talking about? If you actually look on the panel before Ichigo breaks through you can clearly see a garganta opening up.

No, you sad little emoticon ---> (:cry:)
Even though the Garganta is opening, he just breaks IT, he breaks space, like literally and dashes out like it's nothing.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-282.html

Its possible in Bleach. Inoue pretty much screws around with time like its a joke so whatever i guess.

also Tessai's stopping time crap..and whatever he has left kidous.

[kmand1000]

also Tessai's stopping time crap..and whatever he has left kidous.
Yeah I'm sure more time manipulation is yet to come. Anyways, I'm not sure what Ichigo is thinking. Isn't he not supposed to go straight at Aizen? Wasn't he supposed to avoid his shikai by not looking at it? Well there goes that plan.

[Wrasvan]

Yeah I'm sure more time manipulation is yet to come. Anyways, I'm not sure what Ichigo is thinking. Isn't he not supposed to go straight at Aizen? Wasn't he supposed to avoid his shikai by not looking at it? Well there goes that plan.

I figure since Ichigo is behind him and Aizen's fighting, he figures he'll get as much of a jump on him as he can, then close his eyes and swing. Though it would be cool if he had some special reiatsu blindfold; I miss the days when the awesome shinigami gave Ichigo artifacts that helped him be awesome and directed his abilities instead of him just doing everything himself.

[Razvan_Asakura]

Yeah I'm sure more time manipulation is yet to come. Anyways, I'm not sure what Ichigo is thinking. Isn't he not supposed to go straight at Aizen? Wasn't he supposed to avoid his shikai by not looking at it? Well there goes that plan.

Aizen first needs to explain what his zan does. That's how his power works. of course if he wasn't lying.


and i still say that wasn't a garganta.
i mean, look:

http://i46.tinypic.com/1ze9wsh.jpg

^this may be. it's hard to tell, especially since it open so little.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2q02f47.png

but, here, it's definitely not one.
like, damn, garngatas usually don't look like that no matter how much you damage them. everyone of them is pitch black inside, not white, we never heard of them being breakable, a few chapters ago it was a MAJOR feat to be able to even open one..and now ichigo suddenly breaks through one? i highly doubt it.



it's most likely shinji's or even aizen's illusions. i'm sticking with that!
maybe in the first pic he came through the normal garganta, but never was shown and then he saw aizen and just charged to him, breaking at the same time some illusion, probably shinji's in the process.

If Ichigo's bankai is named " the blade that pierces the heavens", why not?:amused:

Epic.

[Vergil]

so, now bleach characters can break through time & space?

If Ichigo's bankai and shikai abillity, Getsuga Tenshou, is named " Piercer of Heaven", why not?:amused:

Who the hell do you think Ichigo is?

[kmand1000]

Yeah I don't think that was a garganta since they look like this before they open:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/363/15/
Plus garganta openings make a sound.

[Vergil]

Who cares about what Ichigo broke? Aizen would still say smth like"Oh, Ichigo Kurosaki, I've been waiting for you to come... to witness the fall of SS" or smth like that.

[kmand1000]

Who cares about what Ichigo broke? Aizen would still say smth like"Oh, Ichigo Kurosaki, I've been waiting for you to come... to witness the fall of SS" or smth like that.
I think there's more significance in breaking an illusion rather than a garganta.

[Wrasvan]

Another possibility: Unohana said "we're going to the real world", like where Shinji and the Vizards were (K-town) before entering the barrier. So I guess Ichigo took the Garganta from Hueco Mundo to the real world and then just smashed into Fake K-town LOL

[Zero-sama]

Who cares about what Ichigo broke? Aizen would still say smth like"Oh, Ichigo Kurosaki, I've been waiting for you to come... to witness the fall of SS" or smth like that.

^and that's a fact.

[Vergil]

I think there's more significance in breaking an illusion rather than a garganta.

How can Ichigo know if it's an illusion if he's not affected by it?
He just charged into open space? How can you break the illusion you can't see?
Or it's just Unohaha who said " Listen, Kurosaki-kun, charge there at your max speed and make a furious and determined face, please." With her typical face, pointing finger to the Aizen's direction.

Huh?

[Yadomaru]

Been quite a while time since I've said this: Perfect 10 Chapter.
Really all I have to say, except that Shinji's shikai is just plain awesome.

[Arqueus]

Actually if you rlook at the panels where Shinji releases his zan it seems hes "fanning" it towards aizen while spinning it, then mentions a scent, so Im guessing his zan produces a smell that messes up your eyesight, which means theres no illusion to smash through on shinjis part, and as for it being one of Aizens illusions, I think he would be aware of a captain level fighter in Bankai breaking through one of his illusions, so Im going to go with the garganta theory.

Its also interesting to me that Tousen explodes, for two reasons, firstly because if theres any tangible part of him left in FKT, Inoue could concievably bring him back to life, and also because it seems what killed him wasnt any kind of Kido or zan technique, he just exploded, which should be one of Aizens failsafes. Imagine the battle winding down in FKT, Inoue comes and heals Hiyori, then Aizen does his signature "Enough of this farce" move and blows Hiyori to smithereens just like Tousen, all vaizard have to join Aizen or die.

Would be a strtch but hey, theyre all Aizen experiments who knows what he did to them, and yes, I also realize that Tousen spent much more time around Aizen and was made a hybrid by different means, but as boy can dream :P

[pds]

This is the cliffhanger Kubo has left us with, I think it simply is just one of this three possibilities: Aizens Illusion, Shinjis Illusion or something we don't know at all yet.

Though most plausible being Shnji.

[d3m1G0d]

How can Ichigo know if it's an illusion if he's not affected by it?
He just charged into open space? How can you break the illusion you can't see?
Or it's just Unohaha who said " Listen, Kurosaki-kun, charge there at your max speed and make a furious and determined face, please." With her typical face, pointing finger to the Aizen's direction.

Huh?

I think that there is a huge significance in Aizen saying that Shinji's zan didn't seem to have an aura (which it apparently did) while it implied that Aizen's shikai had an aura. From the outside and to those unaffected I would imagine that this aura would be visible.

[Vergil]

^
You forgot the Garganta. Maybe smth like this willl happen:
Ichigo breaks Shinji's illusion:

Ichigo:" I'll deafet you Aizen, I-"
Aizen:" Thank you, Kuroskai Ichigo, for breaking Hirako's illusion. Now I got no problems with striking you both down."
Shinji facepalms

[theseraph]

Awesome chapter. I loved how Aizen managed to analyse and find a way past Shinji's Shikai so quickly, guess its down to Plan B for Shinji! I'm expecting or atleast hoping that from now on it'd be Shinji AND Ichigo vs Aizen, with a Shinji Bankai thrown into the mix. I really don't want to see Ichigo fight Aizen one on one because we all know whats going happen with that one plus some more Shinji spotlight wouldn't be too bad.

Tousen's death just raised Aizen level of evil by a few more levels and to think people at one stage were questioning whether or not he was actually evil. O.o

I agree with B-I about Ichigo just smashing though Garganta, i thought that was so obvious. 10/10

just with respect to what paragon said, anyone else noticed that fighters like kyoraku, ichigo, aizen, urahara and stark have an eerie level of adaptiveness?
it's like "oh sure try your sure but i'll be used to it in a few pages". urahara is scientific, ichigo learns by getting his ass kicked, aizen and stark, play by play analysis and kyoraku is just able to perceive in a most frightening way what people have up their sleeve. yeah just something of note/importance, or so i thought. we got a color page to boot, but i would've much rather had the last page be in color.
cheers.

[d3m1G0d]

just with respect to what paragon said, anyone else noticed that fighters like kyoraku, ichigo, aizen, urahara and stark have an eerie level of adaptiveness?
it's like "oh sure try your sure but i'll be used to it in a few pages". urahara is scientific, ichigo learns by getting his ass kicked, aizen and stark, play by play analysis and kyoraku is just able to perceive in a most frightening way what people have up their sleeve. yeah just something of note/importance, or so i thought. we got a color page to boot, but i would've much rather had the last page be in color.
cheers.

Yeah I noticed that. The scariest being Urahara I think. The way he analyzed yammi's cero and not threw back a countermeasure that was exactly enough to negate it without overpowering it was pure genius. Shunsui calling out Stark's gun's ability to do more that shoot ceroes was pretty impressive too. I think Stark was equally as impressive as Shunsui.

[pds]

^
You forgot the Garganta. Maybe smth like this willl happen:
Ichigo breaks Shinji's illusion:

Ichigo:" I'll deafet you Aizen, I-"
Aizen:" Thank you, Kuroskai Ichigo, for breaking Hirako's illusion. Now I got no problems with striking you both down."
Shinji facepalms

I can already imagine this happening, and Ichigo's chance of defeating Aizen fading to 0%, which is now 1%.

[Grimmjow4King]

Pretty cool chapter.
As for Ichigo breaking through the Garganta, well they did the same here.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-241-page-15.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-241-page-16.html

[Yexley]

Aizen completely stomped bankai Shinji without doing anything, I really don't see Ichigo having a chance without something supremely stupid happening (even another Scarmask appearance might not be enough to take Aizen and that's dumb enough already). Good to see Aizen fighting though.

[xPyrox]

Aizen completely stomped bankai Shinji without doing anything, I really don't see Ichigo having a chance without something supremely stupid happening (even another Scarmask appearance might not be enough to take Aizen and that's dumb enough already). Good to see Aizen fighting though.

Bankai Shinji? What? Shikai shinji. Shikai Shinji and to begin with, I expect Shinji's got some more tricks than that up his sleeve, including his mask, sucks we wont get t osee that though..

[Vergil]

Duh, it was only his shikai.

[cpm2770]

I have seen a few individuals say that Shinji is in bankai mode however if I am not mistaken he has only used shakai, is this correct?

[Razvan_Asakura]

I have seen a few individuals say that Shinji is in bankai mode however if I am not mistaken he has only used shakai, is this correct?

Yes.

usually they say bankai before they release.

[pumpkin13]

Aizen completely stomped bankai Shinji without doing anything, I really don't see Ichigo having a chance without something supremely stupid happening (even another Scarmask appearance might not be enough to take Aizen and that's dumb enough already). Good to see Aizen fighting though.

lol dude, enough people have pointed out it's shikai shinji, but seriously, stomped? One cut across his back has taken him down and out has it? Beyond all fighting capability? Please. I know you're better than that.

[Razvan_Asakura]

yea, well shinji had his 3 min. of fame. now, it's SUPER-ICHIGO'S TIME!!!



Yosh!~ *activating plotkai*

[Wrasvan]

Let's keep pointing out that it's Shinji's shikai instead :oh:

Though Raz is right, Shinji had his moment of awesome. He's got one, maybe two before he gets put down and Ichigo wins the "fight" by accident.

[Razvan_Asakura]

just until Unohana gets there, then she releases and eats everyone. the end!

[pumpkin13]

as far as moments of awesomness go, pulling a WTF face over Aizen's gormless features is pretty win in my books.

[TokyoRacer]

We're up to chapter 387, and thus far we have seen every single captain fight except for Unohana which I find to be very disappointing.

[SittingInTheDark]

about the shinji shikai/bankai discussion, like many others i am pretty sure, this is shinji's shikai (said normal release command, never mentioned the word bankai), but what i find very intrigueing, is the text from the RAW

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/951/img0304j.jpg

on the last panel, the text next to shinji clearly starts with "hirako no bankai"... the last two characters "to" and "ha/wa" i have no idea what it is supposed to mean though

[theseraph]

i'm actually starting to see a method to the kubo madness. right now, shinji has changed the rules of the area around him, if his ability is anything like katen kyokotsu then anyone in the nearby area is abiding by his shikai rules = if ichigo takes a slash effort on aizen he's going to hurt shinji no? i can see kubo doing this, if not, then we'll see aizen's wtfbbqsauce face part 2. either way, kubo has his game face on.

[skycrapper]

10/10

Shinji's shikai awesomeness . . .