Kamille V.S Quatrro aka "Char"

[Hero_Akiar]

Camille will kick him in, hypermode zeta > sezabi !!!!!!!!!!!

Hyper mode comes with an I-field so it's cannons and funnels are of no use. Zeta would win in close-combat with either the wave-rider or kamilles phycho beam sword.

Camille > Char

Who do you think would win?:weird:

[Cracker]

what are u crazy? the sazabi is one of the most powerful mobile suits ever built (look at it's stats), and WAY more technically advanced than the zeta. the psycho frame is better than the biosensor and char is a WAY better pilot. bottom line is the zeta going supersaiyan is useful but kamille can't do it at will, and he was never in a suit again after zeta leaving his skills to atrophy...even amuro was rusty after not piloting and then coming back in zeta.

i'll even give kamille the benefit of the doubt and say he's not rusty at all...char doesn't exactly suck with a beam saber and with the sazabi's power output he could punch the zeta in half...LITERALLY.

i'll point this out again...kamille struggled throughout the gryps conflict, he didn't hold his own till his gundam went supersaiyan at the VERY end. char on the other hand was in a BROKEN prototype, and never struggled till he had to fight haman and sci rocco at the same time (two very powerful newtypes). he still held his own but he isn't a strong enough newtype to handle bits without the aid of a psychoframe. clearly char is a better pilot.

similarly amuro recieved a zeta gundam of his own and single handedly wiped the titans off earth. so the zeta doesn't suck, its kamille that was sucking. shit the zeta was continued in use all the way till the end of the neo-zeon war when it actually WAS outdated. in the end his only advantage is to go supersaiyan with the biosensor...a feat he can't do on his own as it requires the psychic power of several dead people to accomplish, he also can't do it at will. wtf makes him so great again?

again i'll give the benefit of the doubt, given kamille isn't rusty, he can go supersaiyan at will. he still isn't a better pilot than char and he still can't stop a beamsaber...he can't take char in close combat particularly when char has the psychoframe.

[Vic]

This thread brought to you by DealerG, a kamille-tard, who cannot be taken seriously at all. Move on to the next thread, please.

[Hero_Akiar]

lol, I'm a kamille fan so I'm obviosly gonna be a lot more biased.

I have great respect for the gundam geniueses around here, e.g. cracker vic etc... but have you most of the ps2 games and all of the gundam handheld ones like monoeye and generations?

I've seen kamille in action in generations and I do think they made him a bit too powerful. His zeta is actually equavilant to the nu which is sorta fucked up lol. But kamille does have potential. If he never lost his mind, then judau would have never been acknowledged at all, plus, judau did scare haman quite bad in the palace but kamille has able to take hamon to a completely different world of his mind. plus he killed sirroco who wasn't actually too shaby at all.

Kamille V.S char, I would say that kamille's phychic is stronger but char in the sezabi can close the gap and probs overtake him especially if he were in zeta. but if Kamille were in double zeta, then who knows?

[Cracker]

lol, I'm a kamille fan so I'm obviosly gonna be a lot more biased.

I have great respect for the gundam geniueses around here, e.g. cracker vic etc... but have you most of the ps2 games and all of the gundam handheld ones like monoeye and generations?

I've seen kamille in action in generations and I do think they made him a bit too powerful. His zeta is actually equavilant to the nu which is sorta fucked up lol. But kamille does have potential. If he never lost his mind, then judau would have never been acknowledged at all, plus, judau did scare haman quite bad in the palace but kamille has able to take hamon to a completely different world of his mind. plus he killed sirroco who wasn't actually too shaby at all.

Kamille V.S char, I would say that kamille's phychic is stronger but char in the sezabi can close the gap and probs overtake him especially if he were in zeta. but if Kamille were in double zeta, then who knows?

first, the zeta is so technologically inferior to the nu gundam its pathetic so that just proves the point games aren't canon and shouldn't be taken as a source.

second, judau blows he's possibly worse in piloting skill than kamille and is definately psychically weaker to every newtype cept char in my opinon. keep in mind char is BARELY a newtype hes probably one of the weakest ones ever...being psychically stronger than him isn't much more impressive than being stronger psychically than a oldtype, its not an accomplishment when ur a newtype.

third he only killed sci rocco by ramming him, not exactly the best display of fighting ability and he still got left retarded in the end so its a draw more than a victory.

as for the haman thing...he didn't do that other world shit they both did it on accident cuz both had no idea wtf was goin on. don't give him credit for fucked up inter-newtype relations. same thing happens with amuro and lalah they have acid trip mind sex neither did it it was the combination of the two that made it happen.

...finally why the fuck would kamille be in the ZZ? regardless the sazabi is still far superior to the ZZ.

[Vic]

The ZZ is a terrible suit really, so is the regular zeta by the end of the UC storyline, but like I said cracker, ur talking to an idiot. The best suit Kamille ever piloted was the regular old zeta, and that would be wiped out by damn near everything made after it.

[Kittie-Kun]

This is pretty simple. Char would win of course. end of discussion. :P

[Vic]

well said noob.

[Hero_Akiar]

ok then, I'll explain it like this

if kamille never got phyched out (rofl) he would have been given the double zeta because the argama would'nt have lost thier ace pilot and char abondoned them in order to make char's counter attck make sense. judau in double zeta would kill char, no joke. Judau is actually one of the strongest newtypes but mostly because of double zeta. sezabi is practically a stronger version of thos yellow and green dino ms's or even haman's quabely. If camille were fighting in zeta then char would win but this is about the pilots not the ms's, mentally, kamille would totally psych char out. Plus, place kamille and hamon went to was the starlight or something like that which is where powerful newtypes and see the same thoughts as each other by combining thier pressure which they accidently did. Plus, sirroco and kamille may not have thought for long which shows that kamille is quick. Zeta's ability to hyperize with kamille can whoop any other newtype who cannot hyperise which is why I believe he can beat char.

[Cracker]

ok then, I'll explain it like this

if kamille never got phyched out (rofl) he would have been given the double zeta because the argama would'nt have lost thier ace pilot and char abondoned them in order to make char's counter attck make sense. judau in double zeta would kill char, no joke. Judau is actually one of the strongest newtypes but mostly because of double zeta. sezabi is practically a stronger version of thos yellow and green dino ms's or even haman's quabely. If camille were fighting in zeta then char would win but this is about the pilots not the ms's, mentally, kamille would totally psych char out. Plus, place kamille and hamon went to was the starlight or something like that which is where powerful newtypes and see the same thoughts as each other by combining thier pressure which they accidently did. Plus, sirroco and kamille may not have thought for long which shows that kamille is quick. Zeta's ability to hyperize with kamille can whoop any other newtype who cannot hyperise which is why I believe he can beat char.

there are so many things horribly wrong with that post.

judau isn't even in the top 10 strongest newtypes. he went supersaiyan twice one was puru doing it for him. the other was puru, lalah, four, sarah, katz, and KAMILLE. kamille did it FOR HIM...judau is a fuckign nothing newtype wise. similarly kamille relies on four, katz, rosamia etc to go hypermode...they can't do it on their own.

and the sazabi is the prototype for the nightingale which never got animated...it has no connection to qubeley or any other suit for that matter. it has some of the highest stats of any mobile suit in the entire uc century...even shit made in f91 and victory which are WAY later timeline wise.

as for psyching char out...he fought AMURO IN PSYCHOFRAME for god sake. most powerful newtype EVER + enhanced even further and char was fine mentallly. kamille can't do that shit to char and definately not when he only does it on fuckin accident.

finally hyperizing isn't an accomplishment thats exactly what the biosensor is for. the reason only judau and kamille hyperize as u call it, isn't cuz they are powerful its cuz they are the only two pilots who ever had a suit with a biosensor.

[Hero_Akiar]

well cracker, that is one side the the agruement however, amuro has hyperized before in nu which suggests that hyperization is only available to high-ranked newtypes. judau is actually a decent newtype, he psyched hamon out and she whooped char though he was only in the hyaki which is barely decent. the MS's in victory and f91 are crap. f90 gundam is shit, victory gundam is shit and f91 gundam sucks balls.

it is true that the brut power of the sazabi could rip zeta into pieces but in the hyperized form, sazabi would lose.

as for kamille relying on four, it's true but how many times has the memory of lala spured amuro up

i also heard that char's a pedo lol

[Cracker]

ok amuro NEVER hyperized...EVER. its a strictly bio-sensor phenonmenon. as far as is known he never hyperized his high mobility zeta cuz he never needed to. its not an all newtype thing. no bio-sensor, no hypermode.

hypermode increases the suits output but it still can't match the sazabi's regular output the suit is too technologically inferior. besides bits and psychoframe...its got nothing for the sazabi.

and there is a difference between being emotionally spurred by a dead person and litterally using dead people to powerup ur suit. amuro used his own power but was inspired by lalah at times. kamille fights using the power of other people, who just happen to be dead...big difference.

and finally...char supposedly has Ephebophilia...but he's totally a pedo in my book.

[dyne]

amuro is he that pudgy fgt from the 2000 series gundam?

[Vic]

i cannot believe cracker is talking to a noob like this...lol

[Hero_Akiar]

...Hyperization isn't when your gundam goes completely nuts, it's only when it starts to glow. Even seabrook hyperized in the f91 and he was THE WORST newtype pilot i have seen. the f91 gundam itself isn't actually too bad. It packs an adjustable beam saber and i decent beam rail gun type weapon. The game I play is pretty messed up, you can put 3 units in a squad e.g. shiro, karon and the reaper but for some reason if you put shiro with aina then he can "hyperize" his ez8 (custom 1 or 2) and make its accuracy go off the radar. Kou can aswell. But the main reason it's messed up is because by this logic, Judau DID hyperize with the aid of kamille in order to give hamon a royal thrashing and force her to commit suicide by literally giuding her quabely into a space rock. Plus, seed destiny is crap because the destiny gundam is a shit spin off of the turn a gundams butterfly thing. List of all hyperizations:

amuro - nu
??char - sezabi (when you fight him with amuro, the sezabi glows green)
kamille - zeta ( mega beam saber and wave rider special)
shiro - ez 8 ( 1 or 2)
rolan - turn a (gets that butterfly spore)
doman - god gundam
Seabrook - f91 (maximum morale (100%))
kira - freedom (seed and it's optional)
Athrun - aegis (loses 8/9 of life)
gorrad - gundam x ( satalite cannon to blast frost bros)

All of those characters might have latent abilities. Vic, you seem like you're in deep need of theropy, an by judging how the last post before was something like 24/5/07, my presence here isn't negative but it's having a good impact on this section and especially on you.

[Vic]

i assure you fool, you are having no impact, because everything you say wrong.

[dyne]

i assure you fool, you are having no impact, because everything you say wrong.

lol, but he spent so long in preparing it.

[Cracker]

...Hyperization isn't when your gundam goes completely nuts, it's only when it starts to glow. Even seabrook hyperized in the f91 and he was THE WORST newtype pilot i have seen. the f91 gundam itself isn't actually too bad. It packs an adjustable beam saber and i decent beam rail gun type weapon. The game I play is pretty messed up, you can put 3 units in a squad e.g. shiro, karon and the reaper but for some reason if you put shiro with aina then he can "hyperize" his ez8 (custom 1 or 2) and make its accuracy go off the radar. Kou can aswell. But the main reason it's messed up is because by this logic, Judau DID hyperize with the aid of kamille in order to give hamon a royal thrashing and force her to commit suicide by literally giuding her quabely into a space rock. Plus, seed destiny is crap because the destiny gundam is a shit spin off of the turn a gundams butterfly thing. List of all hyperizations:

amuro - nu
??char - sezabi (when you fight him with amuro, the sezabi glows green)
kamille - zeta ( mega beam saber and wave rider special)
shiro - ez 8 ( 1 or 2)
rolan - turn a (gets that butterfly spore)
doman - god gundam
Seabrook - f91 (maximum morale (100%))
kira - freedom (seed and it's optional)
Athrun - aegis (loses 8/9 of life)
gorrad - gundam x ( satalite cannon to blast frost bros)

All of those characters might have latent abilities. Vic, you seem like you're in deep need of theropy, an by judging how the last post before was something like 24/5/07, my presence here isn't negative but it's having a good impact on this section and especially on you.

u fucking retard only g gundam had true hyper modes. u.c. had biosensor enduced suit limit surpassing with no real name...hypermode is just a name u call it, i call it the gundam going supersaiyan and so forth. second...the f91 NEVER "hyperized" it overheated u fucking retard and started shedding its outer armor like it was designed to fucking do. the ez-8 never hyperized either all it did was get owned so ur out of ur fucking mind. the ez-8 was literally a ground gundam made from gm parts...its one of the worst suits ever made. what u think they gave a good suit to a guy they considered a traitor? amuro and char also never hyperized in chars counter attack...ur seeing the reactions of the psychoframes as hypermodes and thats not what it is...it was a fancy light show that was a visual form of amuro's telepathy essentially.

u clearly have no fucking clue what ur talking about...the biosensor allows them to do crazy shit; no u.c. suit EVER hyperized aside from the zeta and the ZZ. everything ur describing either never happened like the ez-8 or is the misconstruing of another phenomina such as the f91 or psychoframes. go do some research or something u dumbass...i recommend mahq.net or wiki but fuck u have no idea what ur talking about. bio sensor is the only thing that allows "hyperization", nothing else does, and no other suits ever did. period.

[Vic]

lol, but he spent so long in preparing it.


u clearly have no fucking clue what ur talking about...the biosensor allows them to do crazy shit; no u.c. suit EVER hyperized aside from the zeta and the ZZ. everything ur describing either never happened like the ez-8 or is the misconstruing of another phenomina such as the f91 or psychoframes. go do some research or something u dumbass...i recommend mahq.net or wiki but fuck u have no idea what ur talking about. bio sensor is the only thing that allows "hyperization", nothing else does, and no other suits ever did. period.

and yet, he was completely wrong, which is what I said, lol. Cracker just wants to own him, I dont waste time with idiots.

[Hero_Akiar]

Don't hate the player hate the games. Ask the creator why he issued bandai to make a game where all of those can hyperize.

[Vic]

excuse me idiot, are you using a video game as a source?

[Cracker]

yes lets cite videogames tomino had nothing to do with...u see bandai owns the rights to gundam they can do whatever the fuck they want with it u retard. don't quote shit the creator has nothing to do with, and never intended to happen as a source.

[Hero_Akiar]

your insults aren't very insulting anymore, you've used them too much and now they're meaningless. The creator is a retard, he had issues with sunrise over stupid affairs. But getting back to the topic, it's painfully obvious that char cannot beat kamille if he goes nuts like he did on sirroco. The zeta gains an I-field so bits/funnels are useless and so is the rifle and cannon of the sezabi. In close combat, sezabi would lose, it's quick for how big it is but with only those yellow beams dagger types, he would be able to deal a lot of damage even if he were able to get a hit in or two. If you look at kamille, his style is close combat. The giant beam saber and the wave-rider would own char quickly. Kamille is a greater pilot than char, the zeta gundam isn't as good as the sezabi but when kamille can use its full potential then things change.

[Cracker]

ur high the sazabi has full beam sabers number one. second char is better at close combat...the bits rifles etc are worthless thats true. but as i said the sazabi could literally punch the zeta in half; he could fuck him without beam anything quite frankly. char was kamilles mentor and he never surpassed his teacher...period. throw in a psychoframe and its game over. the biosensor that gives his suit all that power is INFERIOR to the psychoframe. in fact judging from amuro's action it is possible for the psychoframe to OVER RIDE other psychic technology. so char could theoretically over ride kamille's mental connection to the biosensor and stop the hypermode all together.

kamille is not god, he's not even impressive. the bottom line is kamille isn't even in the top 5 pilots in all gundam series...char is. char is smarter, faster, more skilled, and in a better suit that even makes him psychically stronger than kamille. all kamille has is his i-field and that won't save him from the sazabi's beam sabers, or even its bare fists.

seriously go compare suit stats. the sazabi is bigger and yet still slightly FASTER than the zeta.

sazabi: Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 1.87 G
zeta: Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 1.81 G

weapon wise the sazabi is literally twice as powerful, with its beam shot rifle having more than double the out put of the zeta's rifle. he also has two beamsabers like the zeta, PLUS a beam tomahawk. shit the zetas beam riffle has an output of 5.7 MW, the sazabi's fucking BITS have double the power of that: 10.6 MW a piece. the zeta is so technologically inferior its pathetic.

and then theres the sheer physical power...the zeta: Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 2020 kW

the sazabi: Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 3960 kW

roughly 2000 to damn near 4000...again twice as powerful. i wasn't exaggerating when i said the sazabi could punch the suit in half.

bottom line sazabi: more powerful, more weapons (i didn't even list them all) (each of which is twice as powerful as anything on the zeta), faster, better technology, and a psychoframe that makes char telepathically stronger than kamille. not to mention char is more skilled a pilot and smarter strategically. in the end kamille has no legs to stand on, he's outmatched in EVERY way....he's got nothing.

go check out mahq man seriously ur talkin out ur ass.
the sazabi's stats: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/cca/msn-04.htm
the Zeta's stats: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/msz-006.htm

[Vic]

your insults aren't very insulting anymore, you've used them too much and now they're meaningless.

You know whats retarded? The fact that despite all the logic that is being thrown into your ugly face, you cant argue impartially, your such a fucking kamille fanboy anyone that says Kamille loses is wrong. Seriously I think if Kamille jumped out of your TV you would fuck him. Why do you think I dont talk to you? Its cuz your just another idiot fanboy that cant accept a logical accurate argument. You proved that when you started posting nonsense on the boards, and now you have brought that nonsense here, thanks. not.

The only UC suit that can beat the sazabi is the Nu gundam piloted by Amuro and only Amuro. No other suit and no other pilot can match Char's Sazabi.

[Hero_Akiar]

Because cracker made that point clear without swearing I've actually aknowledged this a little. >_<, I'll look into this closer without making biased decisions lol.

[Cracker]

i refuse to believe i posted anything without fucking swearing

[Vic]

you didnt, he just cant read.

[Hero_Akiar]

I should have said "lack" of swearing, my bad. I set up the Zeta FC and we have a cool banner I made in roughly 15 min lol. The zeta is kind of to quick and agile and not enough raw power. The wave-rider mode would be good for avoiding bits and rifles but it wouldn't be good if they were in close combat, it would simply be captured with no problem. The Zeta has a bio-field not I-field, my bad once again. Bio-fileds are stronger than I-fields and they're harder to get rid of i.e. when fighting a bio-field MS you'd have to aim at the cockpit but when fightining an I-field MS, just aim at the generator. The sezabi is practically a gundam seeing that it has almost all the specs to be one.

[Vic]

Yeah, the Hyaku Shiki is Gundam Like too, but it aint a gundam.

[Cracker]

well gundam in u.c. is quite literally just a model name. shit in f91 they named it gundam just cuz it looked like one of the "old" suits. there is no specific type of suit that is defined as a gundam, its pretty much whatever suits anahiem wants to call gundams are gundams lol.

[Hero_Akiar]

Hyaku Shiki was the mainframe for the zeta. Both the Hyaku Shiki and the zeta performed well in MS zeta gundam but in ZZ they were poorly piloted by amatuers which ruined thier reputation expecially zetas. The metthus was also a main frame but mostly transformable and not powerful, the hyaki is better anyway...

[Cracker]

dude u got that all confused. the hyaku shiki was the prototype for the movable frame system and it didn't even work. it was the prototype METHUS...its a piece of shit suit, it was just piloted by fucking char. in ZZ the pilot obviously wasn't char, so beechas faggot ass sucked balls in it. crappy pilot + crappy suit = owned.

[Hero_Akiar]

I need to stop getting my info from useless sites. The hyaki is suppposed to have really tough and refective armour but hamans bits blew the hyaki limbs straight off. The gundam X even had better armour when it was being blasted by chris' bits. The zeta should have been destroyed after kamille went nuts, that would have forced the argama to go to londobell, pick up the double zeta, beat the fuck out of kamille so he gets up, shove him in the double then he can kill haman, war over.

[Cracker]

yeah the hyaku shiki had a gold beam reflective coating...basically getting hit deals damage but not as much as normal. ie. getting hit in the arm would fuck the arm but not blow it up...ideally anyway. it also can't take more than one shot to the same place.

[Hero_Akiar]

The hyaki shiki with the high marticle beam cannon was awsome. Credit to char for somehow MISSING. The hyaki should have been upgraded at londobell into a UC version of the ataksuki gundam (spelt wrong). If they did its armour up then it would have an excellent performance at long range combat. I really think the creator should have done something with it. Upgrading the zeta when it performed around the same as it despite its overall domination as a gundam and better armoury was stupid, the hyaki didn't even meet the original specification for it and it still did well.

[striker-taii]

although this isn't necassary to do this I should just let dead dog's lie(it ain't sleeping at this point). But Char is definetly the better pilot he dosen't need to be stronger psychically he just needs to know how to pilot an MS which he does very well. especially doing so well against both Hamman and Sirocco. though the Hiyakyshiki does get destroyed at the end it clearly showed that a good pilot not matter the suit can do very impressive feats.

Sorry Akira while I enjoy watching Kamilie kick Titan Ass he's just not in the same leauge as the hier of the Zeon.

[Hero_Akiar]

char was the worst leader of Zeon in history, he lost his rein in less than 2 weeks. The Zabis were clearly the greatest. Kamille fought hamon and survived and he beat sirroco whilst char held up well against both but had the hyaki limbs blown off and he thought that trapping the quebely against the wall would stop the bits and he was wrong and lost as the result. Kamille is a better newtype than char and his potential is a lot greater especially if he got the double zeta or if the sentinal gundam was included. If kamille and char fought in zaku warriors then no doubt char would win because of the lack of a bioframe but if they both had zeta gundams then kamille would win with EASE. Kamille actually designed the zeta like how amuro designed the Hi-Nu. Chars sazabi is made specifically for him but i doubt he designed it, he probs just sent off a specification of the weapons he wanted. either way, Kamille is a better pilot than Char.

[striker-taii]

uh, no Char designed the Sazabi himself. He then leaked the psycomu frame to the federation/Londo-Bell in order to have a fairer fight with Amuro. In the end though Char proved that he was a coward and was no where near the pilot Amuro was.

[Vic]

see, striker tail was doing good there, thoroughly destroying everything the retarded kamille fanboy said, but Char a coward? Right. No.

[Hero_Akiar]

The modified zeta amuro had was a piece of junk, it could only transform if it is sortied in that state. The rifle on it is weak and it's just a shit version of the original zeta. Char did "leak it" as it says many times on the 1st CD. Char is a little coward lol, he ran when he was outnumbered by haman and sirroco. And where did it say that char DESIGNED the sazabi himself!? That's rubbish, gimme a link or a time frame then I'll watch it again.

And Vic, striker tail was doing poorly, he stated the obvious which didn't need to be mentioned. :idea: Try not to insult me, *******.

[Hero_Akiar]

Sorry for the double post "Kamille exhibits the highest amount of raw Newtype ability and energy of almost any UC protagonist. It has also been said that Kamille is the strongest newtype in the whole UC era. As comments made by the Gundam creator himself, Yoshiyuki Tomino claimed this in 1989." (wikipedia). Kamille would only really lose the amuro because the Hi-Nu is far more advanced and amuro has more experience and better control over his newtype powers and mobile suit. Char is an inferior pilot and newtype, end of story.

[Randomperson]

I said it many times already kamille's NT overcharge is what makes him imba, since both amuro and char stated that he had the potential to become better than them, camille however, never grew to that state in terms of experience.

[Cracker]

The modified zeta amuro had was a piece of junk, it could only transform if it is sortied in that state. The rifle on it is weak and it's just a shit version of the original zeta. Char did "leak it" as it says many times on the 1st CD. Char is a little coward lol, he ran when he was outnumbered by haman and sirroco. And where did it say that char DESIGNED the sazabi himself!? That's rubbish, gimme a link or a time frame then I'll watch it again.

And Vic, striker tail was doing poorly, he stated the obvious which didn't need to be mentioned. :idea: Try not to insult me, *******.

wtf...um i have no idea where u get this info...i have a video on youtube of amuros high mobility zeta transforming in gundam evolve, so yeah...ur totally wrong. and char DID leak it he tells amuro that himself, not to mention the guy with aniheim gave a note to chan that said it too. get off wiki and watch the shit and u might get a clue somewhere along the way.

for that matter when did char run? as i recall he was outnumbered by two very powerful newtypes in way better suits, and he was still fighting. in the end he still tried to take out haman, he got pwned cuz he underestimated how good she was with bits but he went out fighting none the less.

kamille had the most RAW newtype power he just didn't fucking know how to use it which is damn near like not having any at all. watch zeta again when amuro first shows up, he has to save kamilles ass every 5 min, if it wasn't for amuro kamille would have been killed by that little bitch buran.

[Hero_Akiar]

wtf...um i have no idea where u get this info...i have a video on youtube of amuros high mobility zeta transforming in gundam evolve, so yeah...ur totally wrong.

If you're actually considsering gundam evolve as a reliable source then take some more time off and re-think, the Re-GZ can't transform without its BWS of which it can only be sortied in that state. In the G gen games, you have to buy it again and again if it gets destroyed. It's obvious aswell, the zeta costs tonnes of bucks because of its tranforming mechanism. Without it, it ain't much different to the mark II in terms of movable frame and other specs so its cheap to mass produce.

As for me watching the series, I HAVE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE ONE, i may not know them like the back of my hand especially a certain few, but I'm rightfully done watching all of the UC stuff including the ones which were just garbage.

[Cracker]

If you're actually considsering gundam evolve as a reliable source then take some more time off and re-think, the Re-GZ can't transform without its BWS of which it can only be sortied in that state. In the G gen games, you have to buy it again and again if it gets destroyed. It's obvious aswell, the zeta costs tonnes of bucks because of its tranforming mechanism. Without it, it ain't much different to the mark II in terms of movable frame and other specs so its cheap to mass produce.

As for me watching the series, I HAVE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE ONE, i may not know them like the back of my hand especially a certain few, but I'm rightfully done watching all of the UC stuff including the ones which were just garbage.

seeing as evolve was done specifically for the gundam museum they aren't exactly inaccurate. and wtf does the re-gz a suit from 0093 have to do with amuro's high mobility zeta during the 1st neo zeon war and the gryps conflict? by all means reveal where u heard his suit cant transform...i'm dying to know. and are u actually suggesting the movable frame was the most expensive part of the zeta? u mean the movable frame damn near every suit the titans designed after the marasai had? really cuz i though it was the experimental, highly powerful, yet little understood biosensor. they only made 3 variants of the suit before kamille designed a better transformation system, 4 variations of the final version of the zeta that we know of, and a whole line of the zeta plus variants all of which could transform. kamilles modifications to the original designs made it CHEAPER to make.

[Randomperson]

Hmm, Amuro used a Custom Zeta in Green Divers and EVOLVE, both had variable frames.
Probably Hero is mistaking ReGZ (Refined Gundam Zeta) for "Amuro's Custom Zeta" since Amuro piloted it before he used Nu Gundam.

Oh and btw the armor rebuy thing was removed, since a lot has changed since G Gen A. Since G Gen DS:

-Armor parts automatically regenerate after the level has ended if the unit was sortied in FA state, so you can freely cast off the parts in case you feel like it (for example want to use ALEX's gattling gun) and don't have to think "My FA units shouldn't go under 50% HP" all the time.

-If you dismantle a unit, you do NOT get the predecessor unit back. Like, if you take apart a Zeta, you get a biosensor, but NOT the mk II unit. this prevents people from rebuilding all too easily everything by rearranging parts.

-Shiro Amada gained a Hyper Mode ("Power of Love" aka teh angreh Boyfrend, activates when Aina's HP drops below 50%), when activated, he's stronger than Kira in SEED mode. Don't ask me why. He also gets the insane +20 boost for being with Aina where other relations would give +8 and +12 at best.

-There can be positive and negative bonusses for the same person on the same person, like Sayla has +4 with Char (for being his sister), but a -8 on him too (because she's not really agreeing with him), it seems the reason is one of them can be removed by certain events.

-In DS, Johnny Ridden gains the most hilarious plot ever, he starts out hating Char because of the "Red" thing and has various communication events with him about it, later when he encounters Quattro he'll recognize him as Char... then he meets Zechs and Cruuze and gets all pissed about those goddam masked people showing up everywhere. He also gets an event where he's disillusioned with Kycilia and blasts her himself (too bad its not with a Bazooka like Char did).


In Cross Drive:

-Most parts have been removed and replaced by more general ones like "Upgrade Level 1", so the tech tree got bigger, now including W units and SEED Gundam units (in DS, all UC units were buildable while the AU ones were unique, so taking UC route leaves them out completely while one can still build the UC ones on AU route).

-Squads now have 4 slots, a large unit counts as 2 (so you can have 1 GP03 and 2 GM Customs, a GP03 and a Neue Ziel or 4 GM Customs)

[Hero_Akiar]

:wacko:Are we talking about the zeta with the paint job (white and purple) or the Re-GZ? I know amuro piloted an almost identical zeta gundam in green divers and piloted the Re-GZ in chars counter attack but him piloting a ground type and a high mobility? I can only think of a handfull of storylines where the zeta was been upgraded that many times (sentinal is the main one).

As for the G gen thing, thank god, it's extremely annoying when you encounter haman and she uses the @ funnels to pretty much disperse your entire fleet then rapping your flag ships and break all of your upgrades. The whole minus thing can be dealt with, I put amuro and zero is a squad for 9 stages and eventually, amuros -5 went away. Why the hell does Uso get a +5 from being with a chick and...LORAN????:huh:

[Randomperson]

Don't be in glee too early about Haman, since now NT Funnels have a larger MAP range in DS when the NT goes Hyper (when Haman MAPs you, she also MAPs all adjacent fields so you could get multiple teams in trouble). Well of course, this also means Amuro gets more uber and you can recruit Haman. large beam MAPs also increased area coverage (stronger ones don't just shoot a straight line anymore, now the line is 3 fields broad).

The Reason Usso gets + for being with chicks is because he's always gettin involved with chicks in the series, most notably shrike team people. And with Loran because they are both playful kids, or maybe because of "Laura Rolla" XDDD. DS gets Cima being good with Shin Matsunaga and Johnny, Haman can either love char (+8 for Char) or join as the Haman we all know (+4 for Char and +4 for male children). The originals also have wierd relations, D has bonusses for being with... Kou, Kira, Emma and Apolly (why Apolly?), in Cross Drive there's a combo move between the Main Character, an original girl and... Domon? And a combo between Emma and Chris, or Usso, Emma, Chris and an original girl (basically Usso with 3 girls in supporting roles, except for Chris who is probably a Junko Jenko stand-in), one between Kou and Shinn Asuka (the lose-temper when fighting stronger rival duo). Another wierd combo move is between Amuro, Shiro and Garrod, probably the most awesome crossovered character combination.

[Cracker]

-Shiro Amada gained a Hyper Mode ("Power of Love" aka teh angreh Boyfrend, activates when Aina's HP drops below 50%), when activated, he's stronger than Kira in SEED mode.


wtf shiro was made of fail....his power of love did real well agains norris packard...he fired all his guns at once and hit nothing. he litterally had better aim when he fired with his eyes closed.

...i question whether or not shiro could kick his own ass. the only person worse than him is the stupid bitch that lost to a fucking zaku II kai in the fucking nt-1...way to fail at life.

[Randomperson]

In the series, it was more "Pity of Norris" that "Power of Love" that made him survive since Norris would've smoked him if it wouldn't make Aina unhappy...

But I'm speaking of the game, whatever you say won't change his stats lol.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7829/shirovskirahz1.png

[Cracker]

In the series, it was more "Pity of Norris" that "Power of Love" that made him survive since Norris would've smoked him if it wouldn't make Aina unhappy...

But I'm speaking of the game, whatever you say won't change his stats lol.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7829/shirovskirahz1.png

i know ur talking about the game, i'm just saying the game makes no fucking sense. i also hear that in most games whats her face the stupid bitch that wrecked the nt-1 is uber...which again, makes no sense

[Randomperson]

Well the battle vs Norris also didn't have Aina with below 50% HP XDDD
So he was more or less just randomly agitated since Norris whacked him around and didn't aim very well (or rather didn't aim at all, I mean he only hits the floor in front of Norris, so he probably just stupidly pulled the trigger while vaguely facing the direction) when he fired off the full burst.

And Christina was never uber in any game I know of. Only her Gundam was better than the standard RX-78-2 and thats the only reason she defeated Mikhail (survive due to convenient Chobam armor, then fake a melee intent and use the conveniently hidden gattling gun for a cheap hit). Actually the point was that Bernie got uber in the last battle due to what he was fighting for (In the mentioned G Gen his stats suck due to being a rookie, but he has a great ID command which can make him uber for one attack), he also started off luring NT-1 and setting up the whole place, but noone knows what the heck Chris was doing in the last attack ("lawlz I'll just stab forward without caring about anything and see whut happnz"), could've been that she was pissed from having the trouble against one Zaku using Xmas equipment and forgot/failed her guard completely or she just sucks in melee combat since she had to fake it to win over Mikhail but Bernie hacked the gun off already this time. It also shows that it does takes a good pilot, I mean take Johnny, give him a HM Zaku and he owns the place.

[Hero_Akiar]

The NT-1 had one of the worst performances and it's somehow a gundam. Christina isn't particarlly good in the games, she has the typical ID commands which makes her good for a turn. I don't really put her on my fleet when other MSs like the double zeta, nu, freedom, sazabi, god gundam and others are available (I opted for char to be a MS pilot though he's proberbly the best flag ship commander with an excellent ID command which replenishs hit points to ally sit in a certain range). For some reason in the games, bernie seems to always want to impress christina which is proberbly why he has decent-ish stats.

[Randomperson]

Thats only in Advance, the healing is left over to side characters later (some characters can heal everyone in their squad... or even on the whole map). In most G Gens where there is such a thing as ID command, Bernie is uberly strong as pilot due to his insane melee boost ID, causing me to stick him in Epyon, since it neither has Hyper nor any specific pilot requirement and Bernie tops Zechs with that one ID, as wierd as it may sound.

Chris was never a good pilot. I don't know any game where she'd be particularly of any good.

[Hero_Akiar]

I suppose bernie deserves good states, I just haven't used him since getting him. But one person who was specically hard to beat was gato near the end of the game (not with cima). My kou was 6 or so levels below him and he replenished twice! I had to basically bash him up with kamille and zechs (point of the story) to finally beat him with kou in the squad. Zechs was great, he can fire two missiles instead of the typical 1 with the same ammo and his accurate. I don't think bernie could actually beat that. (though i haven't unlocked the ID cammand for bernie)