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|The fact of the matter is that a vast majority of people's lives (working lives) is aimed towards trying to either acquire access to or sustain the availability of the 6 or so needs I listed. If these needs are provided for then a certain amount of equal footing will be established for the citizenry from which I believe a rise in everyone's capability/opportunity to excel will necessarily follow.|
|Eliminate a major time consuming aspect imposed by such capitalistic systems and the possibilities are far, far more open for individual enrichment. Thus, the society as a whole will inevitably benefit.|
|Simply quoting someone does not imply an endorsement their methodology.|
|I'm well aware Marx's dialectic and, to a large extent, I agree with some of the major principles involved.|
|What do you see wrong with giving every person the freedom to choose their own way while watching out for the overall wellbeing of their fellow traveller?|
|They can easily be compatible if you seriously concider what I'm trying to say. In the end, though, my ideal vision is that "class" (both socially and economically) will be eliminated from perception.|
|Not even close, imo. Social contract only applies to what the individual can aquire/exceeed/extend beyond his fellow man. It's a competition based on unequal grounds and, therefore, in my mind, illegitimate. If your fellow man is on equal footing then it is fine, but far, far, far more often than not it becomes a competition between vastly unequal peoples.|
|Honestly, most of the time your a dick of the highest order. But I take no offense from what you've said (though, imo, calling me a "brain dead fucking moron" was a tad bit harsh). Like you, I'm simply speaking my mind. The difference is that I don't try to start an argument over my opinions like I sometimes feel you are. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I sincerely enjoy the fact that you are mostly willing and capable of interacting in such a discussion. And for that I thank you. You're still fucking crazy, though. ;)|
|So wait up, feeding people and establishing care state is the same as giving them the right to excel? Are you trying to say that they are the same? I have tough time connecting with what you are saying sir.|
When you quoted Marx, did you actually do your own research on him and that he was against free market and all that stuff?Or that he was for devaluing goods and making sure people couldn't earn more than they they had a need for (Government would decide what they need etc)
I mean, you quote the guy, but then you kinda disagree with him, then you agree that people aren't equal but then you state they sort of are. You are always coming up with very complex ideas that actually contradict each other and all of them would never work the way you want them to.
|So we do need a government to watch us and feed us (mum) because we can't even feed ourselves properly (baby). What does the mum do to her child all the time? She controls him/her. Do you want to be treated as a child? Or do you think that the government will wipe your ass and give you bunch of individual rights just like that? You see, every single concept you make sounds like "I wanna have my dick in vagina and someones dick in my anal", or "I wanna sit on 2 chairs at the same time" IE I want to have the best of both worlds. People will never manage without government/power structure, hence, it's impossible by default.|
|That's what we have nowadays. Don't we?|
|no I'm not, I'm honest and intense. And crazy, but badass crazy. Anyways, sorry for insulting you, but really felt like doing it.|
|Well, ideally (don't even start in with your shit ), you wouldn't need to. The calculations would be done by yourself with honesty and moral responsibility to maintain respectable social cohesion. Of course, this would under a stateless society I advocate. Remember, Anarchism requires, more than anything else, personal responsibility. Under a government run society, however, they would, unfortunately, be done by the governing bodies, most likely.|
|The people can, have and will, if given the opportunity, run things fairly and adequately amongst themselves. All historical accounts attest to this fact.|
|In my mind and from many interactions I've had, these can all be accomplished by the cooperation of the individual parties themselves. Social operation thru agreeable social contract.|
|you are totally fucking crazy...|
|The equality you talk about doesn't lie in providing food and satisfying basic needs. It lies in giving people equal ability to excel, that's all.|
|And If I want to take more than I need. If I want to take as much as I can? Who will calculate the proportion of my needs? Marx?|
|If you will read your Marx quote well and try to comprehand it, IE how it would work in not so perfect world, you'll see that it's a exchange system that requires 3 subjects, Giver, Equalizer/watcher and receiver. The watcher is Government/Corporation/Big brother and your best friend, not.|
|I clearly outlined in the first couple of sentences that the difference the specific traits, abilities of the individual that distinguish them from everybody else and that of the required necessities (food, water, shelter, ect.)|
|every person should contribute to society to the best of their ability and consume from society in proportion to their needs.|
But more importantly, explain how you think food is a 'want' and not a 'need'? Water? Shelter? Clothing? Does someone not always die if they don't eat, drink, protect themselves from the harsh environment enough? Sure, with the idea of excess it requires the abundance of something in which case anything can transfer to a 'want'. But only after the physical 'need' is met first and foremost. Therefore, regardless of excessive intake, these things are still needed.
Or better yet, can you tell me how you define 'need', 'want', and 'equality'...?
"Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them. They [the strong] suffer for the sake of keeping them even with their inferiors.
"Equality is a chain, like obedience. Like fear or uncertainty or self doubt."
|I like how well you contradict yourself, people are not equal but in the end they are because they must be fed or otherwise they will get sad.|
|Man, you're fucking brain dead moron. It's not need, it's what you want. It's not from each their own ability. My ability is mine alone and money I make from myself is my own money. You're already entered the realm of communism within your own psyche, have a nice journey.|
|To each, their need. From each, their ability...|
|one mode of equality to its participant...the equal oppurtunity to be exploited|