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Old 08-02-2010, 11:36 PM
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Well, it was a good theory while it lasted. But that doesn't mean that Isshin couldn't have been the Tenth Division Captain after TBTP. After all, didn't Ukitake and Byakuya comment on how familiar Ichigo looked?
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that's a really intresting theory. I always kinda wondered why when the Kurosaki name was mentioned, the older captians seemed to almost know about it. Would also explain Byakuya's "love" for ichigo *Sarcasm there*

Were't there 4 noble Families...Kuchiki, Shiba, Shihounin(?), and????
Sorry, beat ya to it. And no, the Shiba clan was the fifth noble family. After their descent into obscurity, no one replaced them. And to the above poster, the Omaedas are just a high-ranking family, not a "Four Nobles" family.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:01 AM
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Didn't Ukitakke asked Kaien around this time if he wants to be his Vice?
So I was guessing that he had no Vice-Captain at that time...for a while
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...0-page-17.html
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:34 AM
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Didn't Ukitakke asked Kaien around this time if he wants to be his Vice?
So I was guessing that he had no Vice-Captain at that time...for a while
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...0-page-17.html
Re-read that page. He says "I'm a vice-captain"
He had already been the VC of that squad for a while from that, since apparently he keeps passing up the chance to become a captain.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:49 AM
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Sorry, beat ya to it. And no, the Shiba clan was the fifth noble family. After their descent into obscurity, no one replaced them. And to the above poster, the Omaedas are just a high-ranking family, not a "Four Nobles" family.
Oh...really?I don't remember them being "the 5th", could you perhaps provide a reference?
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:02 PM
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Oh...really?I don't remember them being "the 5th", could you perhaps provide a reference?
Exactly, if i remember correctly there were only 4 noble families. I forget now which manga/anime mentions it. But they clearly say 4 noble families...

Yourichis, Byakuya's, Kaiens, and....they don't mention the 4th
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:13 PM
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Oh...really?I don't remember them being "the 5th", could you perhaps provide a reference?
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Exactly, if i remember correctly there were only 4 noble families. I forget now which manga/anime mentions it. But they clearly say 4 noble families...

Yourichis, Byakuya's, Kaiens, and....they don't mention the 4th
I dont remember exactly where but hes right about there having been 5

When they talked about it they said there are CURRENTLY 4 great noble families and there used to be 5 before the Shiba house was removed
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:36 PM
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For your reference, http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Noble_families states that the Kuchiki and Shihouin families are the only known current Noble Houses, and lists the Shiba clan as the fifth, since deposed, Noble House.

Anyways, props to blackcrows for the effective transition from my post in the silhouetted vice captains thread to this.

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Old 08-03-2010, 01:24 PM
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thanks Hex, I just wish wiki cited a reference to the manga or someplace -_-
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:47 PM
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So we're still stuck with missing Noble families...Even if you count the shiba's.

You've got:

Kuchiki
Shiba
Shihōin
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Could Kurosaki be one of those?
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Sealed Form
Spoiler:

In her sealed form Tenshi Kasei is about 18 1/2 in long with a blade that is 1 3/8 wide. Her blade in sealed form is 12in. She is solid red, with orange flecks running throughout, to mimic flames * looks very similar to the pic but with flecks of orange throughout and a phoenix inlay instead of a dragon*


Released Form
Spoiler:

In her released form, Tenshi is a katana about 25 1/2 in long, with a blade width of 2in. She is blood red and burnt orange. The colors are that of the flames she represents. The guard is the shape of a phoenix whose red, gold, and orange wings wrap around the handle of the zan, giving the wielders hand(s) some protection. The ribbons coming of the guard at the end of the handle are the same red, gold, and orange colors of the guard. The blade is transforms from a solid object to that of flames upon being released yet it still cuts as if completely whole. Image courtesy of Hentai


Power
Spoiler:
Much like a phoenix, she can temporarily restore life to a recently dead entity. This power is limited to a small number (7 or less) and upon being slain by an enemy, the re-animated lifeform becomes permanently dead and cannot be restored again. However the exception to this is, if the wielder “destroys” the re-animated in a flame, they can become reborn at the wielders command for an indefinite number of times during the battle. Because of this, her power and her wielder's power are directly attached to each other, almost symbiotic of one another. For every life Tenshi Kasei restores, a small bit of her wielder's spirit pressure is used. Since the power is spirit based, Tenshi Kasei can be used to restore the life of any spirit being. However, upon re-animation, their skills and fighting ability is limited and they are essentially puppets of Tenshi Kasei’s wielder

She cannot revive or re-animate anything with a greater spiritual pressure than herself, and she can not use her technique multiple times without break. This allows for setting up perfect “traps” where an enemy believes they have defeated an “army” only to find they haven’t.

Other powers Tenshi Kaisei has are: The ability to heal her Wielder and those near her with her flames. This is strictly at kidou based skill of hers and the wielders joint effort.


Attacks
Spoiler:
Hi in Senrei (Baptism in Fire)
The blade of Tenshi Kasei becomes wrapped in flames which then allows her to destroy a physical beings body to the point where the soul leaves, thus allowing her to then re-animate the ashes for use in combat situations. She can also use this attack to just destroy an enemy without using the resurrection technique. *this release is designed to deceive the enemy by making them think the Zan has been released*

Ansatsusha Tenshi’s (Angel’s Assassination)

Silent attack where Tenshi Kasei can attack from behind with a blade of fire slitting their throats, attack is limited to a 3 use attack because of reiatsu used. Because of the nature of this attack, it is both physically and spiritually draining on her wielder. However, this attack can be used at long distances, allowing her to virtually assassinate her enemy sight unseen. By doing so, she sends out a condensed fire “blast” at her enemy thereby slitting their throats..*Bankai should she achieve it, has no limit on use and severs it's victims head, she would also be able to remove the head of her victim from a distance in Bankai*.
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:01 PM
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So we're still stuck with missing Noble families...Even if you count the shiba's.

You've got:

Kuchiki
Shiba
Shihōin
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blank

Could Kurosaki be one of those?
I get the feeling Kubo has forgotten about the Four/Five Noble Families. ^^;;

I'm not sure both of the missing families carry any significance to the plot...one might, but definitely not both. Still, the Isshin rumors are all over the place right now. Some people say he's related to the Royal Family, others say he is related to Aizen...some think he was the 10th Division Captain...some think he was a nobleman...and somewhere out there...someone still thinks his wife, Masaki, was a Vasto Lorde.
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