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Old 02-15-2012, 07:03 AM
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Hahaha, Cronik is quite right. And I'll go with option 1 and 2 to be the likely answers. That means that he's that good at masking his power which could be on par with Ichigo's or he's more powerful than Ichigo. Kinda like that whole Ichigo vs Aizen fight. Seems like things will get much better, but I'll wait and see.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:17 AM
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@post above me. I don't mind the two I think they serve their purpose. Replacing Con, Afro-San and the dude who thinks he has super powers. The old dude who's name I forget. Point at hand is these types of. Characters don't need development. Or maybe their purpose is to show Ichigo's development as he takes them under his wing (already suggested by another). The attempt at comedy is ok by me.

Everyone wants the old SS feeling. Last I recall there was alot of this in that arc more so than the last ones. And honestly I don't really know how much progression you want in a small chapter. I know waiting each week makes it seem worse but if you wait a few weeks to read it may not appear so bad. It's the "last" arc. I would expect some pacing to draw in the pay. I thought the 4-5 setups were fine to be honest. Ikaku (setup for something) uryuu convo cut short (another) the tear (another) Ivan (another) fodder (possible another lol). Really if he did each one in a separate chapter it would seem worse or all over the place at least to me. The. It would be another issue/complaint.

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Anyway, Kubo could just be giving only two pages to the interesting stuff to, you know, add some suspense, maybe? Though he must be doing a poor job if you really don't get it.
No no, I totally get the suspense thing. I'm saying there are just too many things going on at once. If you want to cut away to something else briefly to get the reader's attention, that's fine. But when you do it with 4 different locations within just one chapter (without any clear connection or segue as far as we know), it gets annoying because you know it will be a loooong time before any of those 4 plots will get anywhere if they keep jumping around.

As for the humor aspect, that's also fine but these characters are just really dull to me. So was Kon, Afro-san, and Don Kanonji. I hate that kind of forced humor. Like "oooh look! he's being loud and obnoxious! It's funny! Laugh!"

These new characters aren't THAT bad, but I get that same feeling from their "hilarious" antics.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:46 AM
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No, no, no. Do not make those 2 stupid Shinigmami have any significance aside from having gotten stomped last chapter to highlight Ichigo's entrance. That was cool. Keeping them beyond that is stupid and I don't want to see any more bumbly cutesy comedy characters.

This was so rushed. I see Kubo is opening up the story more but he could have saved some things for later, like the hiyori scene. That would have only worked if this chapter opened with Hiyori in a casket and a confirmation of the death that should have happened after she was fucking bisected.

Yes. IVAN/AIZEN. Wtf. Cool that he's an arrancar and not a quincy, but he looks weak. His labcoat could have something to do with Szayel's lab.
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Return of the Living Arrancers 2...Let me guess, this Ivan was the Arrancer after the other Espada's and Arrancer's died, he must have been a backup and during the time period, those Hollows evolved into a new set of Arrancers but whose leading the pack???
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:20 AM
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hmm last I checked this is a discussion about the manga and having an opinion even if its not "oh this is the best thing ever" is allowed.

Yeah I teased about the super friend squad only because what is the point of having 2 newb shinigami if Ichigo and co can handle protecting Karakura town? I also still feel there are enough low level shinigami that have been established that could have been assigned to the human world if its a protocol issue, but no we get whiny lack of confidence guy and his psycho partner who hits him whenever she gets the whim to express her displeasure.

*oh and special edit I never in any of my post complained about new villain characters in fact that is a given. I just see no point of new shinigami when they have enough of them established already. Bad guys fine throw in a thousand if you need to make them good antagonist though. But for Pete's sake more shinigami to me is unnecessary specially the spazzy duo we have now.

Also I critique because this manga got me hooked hard I really did love the soul society arc, got threw the Aizen Hueco Mundo arc unscathed even though I thought that it dragged on a bit longer then it should have. Still loved the series.

FB brought it down a lot to me, unanswered questions plots that went no where makes me a lot more critical then before. And I am sorry this chapter was a bit schizo for me (and yes I am a diagnosed schizophrenic so im not being un pc I think). If it had been all lighthearted stuff even with the Hiyori and Lisa thing fine. But the Ikkaku Yumichika blurb threw me off and was like what people are disappearing in the Rukongai and that's all we get about that? Then they have Ivan show up in Ichigo's room which is a fine cliff hanger but I was still on whats going on with souls disappearing.

Yeah I am going to nit pick because it could have been handled better in my opinion. Split it up fine but have at least one half devoted to one plot then the rest to the other this was too many things all at once and not enough of them. That's just my take on it.
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I just read it. So, probably retreading on topics already touched on:

Re: Ivan
Intersting. The full name reads like an Espada/Arrancar, as does the hollow-esque eye patch, but it does give me pause, what mechanically would keep the Quincy from using inner hollows to power-up? (Besides the fact that should be an abomination to them : )

That's all. Honestly, the only time I had thoughts during this chapter was when I saw Ivan. Oh, well and the Vizards, but I think they were just showing us that the 'barrier' is tearing.

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But, but, he had them pose in that two page spread! Doesn't that mean maturity?! Eh? Eh?
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About the Arrancar . . . um, I'm sorry to disappoint some of you, but at least according to Kubo's interview, the Arrancar are going to be on Ichigo's side. At least the Espada are. The other Arrancar might go against Ichigo and Soul Society, but Grimmjow, Neliel, and the other Espada will help Ichigo. Not many of the Espada are left though, and Kubo said that if they leave Hueco Mundo to help Ichigo out, they'll leave as a group and not individually.

And it says Ivan is a messenger (in the inserted text for the chapter). It could be that he's there to challenge Ichigo, but he could also be there to ask for help about something or other, or to give some kind of a warning (not necessarily a "We're going to attack you" type warning).

@Nyxy: No one's saying you aren't entitled to your own opinion. In fact, I'd say you actually are. I'd repeat myself a million times over if I had to. So please, don't be mistaken about this.

@m2licee: As far as your post on the last page is concerned, kudos. I completely agree. Same for Post #31 on this page as well.

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The Realm of Kokuraimaru is a huge, wide, endless plain covered with countless craters, gashes, and burn-marks, while also being shrouded in darkness, as it is always nighttime there. There is a faint, eerie glow however, due to there being a group of extremely dense storm clouds present in the sky, from which high voltage lightning comes out to scorch the ground. There are also strong and violent gales that constantly blow in this inner world.

The storm clouds almost always have in them thunderstorms that have black lightning with a dark-blue outline. That black lightning within the inner world is itself Kokuraimaru. He is everywhere within this realm, as an almost omnipresent being.

As he is made purely of lightning, he is actually able to take virtually any form he wants (note: this ability does not translate into Shikai or Bankai; it is Kokuraimaru's ability alone). Whenever I go into my inner world outside of Bankai, Kokuraimaru would take his lightning form out of the other places and present most of it in front of me temporarily in the form of free-flowing lightning (for the amount of time that I am in the inner world).

He was not always a Zanpakutō Spirit. Originally, he was Raijin, the Japanese Shinto god of storms, thunder and lightning. He "died" and later reincarnated as my Zanpakutō with some help from Ouetsu (creator of Zanpakutō) in the process of becoming my Zanpakutō, according to what he's told me. He has a companion wolf made of the same dark blue energy as he is, with his body wrapped in lightning. His name is Kokuraiko ([黒雷子] Dark Lightning Child) and he is an incarnation of Raijū, who is said to be a companion of Raijin in Japanese mythology and Shintoism. Whenever black thunderstorms are occurring, he gets agitated and creates trouble within this Realm. Kokuraimaru has to flex his reiatsu to calm him down. Sometimes, when that is not enough, I have to weigh in with my own reiatsu.

In character, Kokuraimaru is kind and strong-willed, but is sometimes easily angered. When we get into arguments, there are times when he tends to get a little cranky when he is unable to get the last word and/or "win" the argument. He also has a very bad habit of coming off as arrogant without meaning to, oftentimes. Kokuraiko is the same in personality as Kokuraimaru.

When we spar, he takes the form of a man wielding his Shikai sword. When I visit the inner world in Bankai, there is a noticeable change in the inner world to represent that: the complete lack of black thunderstorms due to the fact that, in Bankai, he is permanently in his "human" form, as a master swordsman Spirit that is 6ft in height, has almost no weight due to being lightning, and blue eyes and blue-black hair that reaches down to his waist, hanging loose (untied).

In his "human" form, he is dressed in a samurai get-up that is enough of a darker blue that it looks almost black, except he is barefoot. He wields the same sword I have in Bankai. The belt on the outfit is black, with the kanji for "black" on the left strap of the belt tie and the kanji for "lightning" on the right one. Kokuraimaru is ancient himself, but his "human" form looks to still be in his 20s, and is also seemingly lean and well-built. On his back, with their top sides facing forward, are three black drums with three tomoe on each of them. There are no drumsticks to go with the drums, but they are not needed as Kokuraimaru is able to beat on them with just the force of his reiatsu alone (is translated into Bankai as well; it's not that I do this with my own reiatsu, it's still Kokuraimaru (no Kenshi) himself who does). When Kokuraimaru is in this form, Kokuraiko likes to sit either on his head or on his right shoulder.


Sealed Form: A daicho (Japanese long sword). The hilt of the sword is dark blue, 5 inches long with a black ray-skin under the hilt-wrapping. The cross-guard is circular, with a picture of multiple lightning bolts engraved into it. The blade of the sword is 8 inches long, coming out of a black collar. In the middle of the blade are inscribed two symbols; one being that of Raijū's face, and the other being that of three tomoe. The sheath is dark blue, with the kanji for "lightning" printed on the up-facing part in black color. For a reason that was unknown until Shikai, the sword doesn't seem to have much of a weight at all, and seems to require multiple slashes made at high-speed, as it doesn't have enough cutting power to deal a decisive blow in one slash.

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Release Animation: I hold the sword in a guard stance and call out its Release Command and name. There is a loud thunder clap that can be heard, along with a flash of lightning coming from the sword, and in the next instant, the onlooker can see the following changes:

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As the blade in Sealed State was being covered by an insulated material, the true nature of the blade was hidden and its weight was slightly increased. The Shikai sword still requires the wielder to execute multiple slashes done at high-speeds, as even though it is sharp enough to cut, it is still weaker in power than other swords but can allow for multiple slashes done at high-speeds, the damage of which accumulates to deal high amounts of cutting damage from the blade.


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As long as there are still protons and electrons in the surroundings within a radius of 2-3 inches from both me and the sword, the electricity on the blade will (almost) never run out.

Due to the make-up of the blade, when it cuts the opponent, it also delivers a ticklish-type shock.

Ability 1: Kokuraigeki [黒雷打] (Black Lightning Strike): When I want to use this ability, I have the electricity on the blade produce a strong static charge that is discharged as lightning from the tip of the blade. The power and amount of electricity on the blade, when using this technique, can be controlled at will, so that the lightning produced can be controlled.

Immediately after having used this attack, some of the strong electric charge will be left on the blade, and before it runs out (in 3-4 seconds' time), I'm able to use that to deal a bit more of a zapping effect than normal through my melee attack(s).

Ability 2 (Passive): Raipo [雷歩] (Lightning Step): This is an ability that I have due to the light weight of the sword, as well as the focus in high-speed melee attacks. I can't use Shunpo in conjunction with this. This is a variation of Shunpo that increases my running speed by that of lightning. In Shikai, I get a speed increase of half the speed of lightning in reality, even though it's called "speed of lightning".

Ability 3 (Active): Raiken [雷剣] (Lightning Sword): Whenever there is a thunderstorm occurring near me, and I'm close enough, I can take control over some of the thunder and lightning within it. I have my sword conduct the electricity from the lightning to strike at my opponent(s) with it from the sword, or have it strike them from where it already was to begin with. I can only do this to affect thunder and lightning within a 2 and half mile radius distance of me and my sword.


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Release Animation for Bankai: I hold my sword with one hand, pointed towards my opponent(s), and call out the words, "Ban Kai!" An almost deafening thunder clap is heard, and both my sword and I release a powerful torrent of reiatsu that looks like black lightning with a dark blue outline. When the lightning fades and my form is once again clearly visible, the appearance of my Bankai is seen. . . .

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On my back appear the same three drums from the Spirit description, facing forward so that the three tomoe that are on the top of each of the drums show.

In Bankai, the dark blue outline looks almost pure black. This carries on to the shoes and gloves, making them also appear to be almost pure black, and the blade is also the same color due to being practically made of the same black lightning.


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The gloves and boots, as well as the sword in Bankai, work pretty much the same as the Shikai sword on how to use the lightning attacks. The power and amount of electricity on the surface of the gloves and boots/shoes, as well as on the sword can now always be controlled at will at all times, and the potential voltage and the maximum power and amount of current is 5x greater when compared to Shikai.

The range of the "Raiken" technique's influence is increased in Bankai; it is now possible to control all of the thunder and lightning within any given naturally occurring thunderstorm.

The attacks I can use with this Bankai are possible with either my blade, my hand(s), and/or my foot/feet. I can use either of those at any given time for any of my electrical or lightning type attacks.

The "Raipo" ability is now able to literally increase my running speed that I augment with my reiatsu by that of lightning. It is still impossible to use Shunpo with Raipo.

The tomoe and Raijū inscriptions act up the same way, as well as on the same occasions, as in Shikai. Kokuraiko's help in making the abilities more efficient/powerful is also a greater.

This Bankai has two additional attacks;
Attack 1: Kokuraigeki Jitai no Ni: Kuroi Arashi [黒雷打 代表 の 二: 黒嵐] (Black Lightning Strike Type 2: Black Storm): Basically, I turn existing clouds into cumulonimbus clouds through static energy build-up, then use my own spiritual energy to take control of the thunder and lightning. Thunderstorms created through this technique spread over a 6.5 mile radius around both me and the opponent in all directions (gets bigger as needed when fighting multiple opponents).

Attack 2: Kokuseiryokuhō [黒勢砲] (Dark Energy Cannon): This attack takes all of the electrons from either the sword or one of the gloves, compresses and condenses them, and then fires them at the opponent. Takes a few minutes to maybe a half an hour to regenerate all of the lost electricity.

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I love how it went from everyone complaining that the FB arc was too slow and nothing was happening to people complaining that too much is being set up to happen. Everyone needs to remember that this is only the second chapter, of course nothing crazy is going to just happen without being set up.

I for one enjoyed this chapter and like how we have so many things being set up for later, Cant wait to find out Ivans deal
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About the Arrancar . . . at least according to Kubo's interview, the Arrancar are going to be on Ichigo's side. At least the Espada are. The other Arrancar might go against Ichigo and Soul Society, but Grimmjow, Neliel, and the other Espada will help Ichigo. Not many of the Espada are left though, and Kubo said that if they leave Hueco Mundo to help Ichigo out, they'll leave as a group and not individually.

And it says Ivan is a messenger (in the inserted text for the chapter). It could be that he's there to challenge Ichigo, but he could also be there to ask for help about something or other, or to give some kind of a warning (not necessarily a "We're going to attack you" type warning).
Which is kind of funny, if the message was sent by Hallibel. Why send someone Ichigo doesn't know to deliver a message, when you could have sent someone he trusted? Especially if the message is: beware the ides of Quincy.

So, I'm going to go with the thought that's it's a completely different group of Arrancar, which would be possible in a more free HM.
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