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Naruto did master Rasengan in three weeks, even though it took Minato 3 years to perfect it. And then there's the elemental version of the jutsu. Everything about that in this manga indicates that Minato, Kakashi and Jiraiya had all already decided that it was impossible for them.
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Bi you do realize I was picking on ya :) I was just hating you out of boredom.
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Rasengan is irrelevant anyway. We are talking about Hiraishin here. It is pretty clear that Hiraishin is a very complicated technique. Kakashi has a Sharingan and he does not use Hiraishin. Im sure many Uchiha have observed Minato, and none have learned his technique. Kakashi is a proud copy ninja, so if he could copy it he would. Of the only other people that know this technique, it takes 3 of them to use it. The technique should not be lol-learned off panel unless there is a very thorough flashback. Last edited by TimidObserver; 08-08-2012 at 06:32 PM |
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But I agree, it would suck if Kishi decided to do so. However I personally haven't seen any hint that he learned it so I dont think its gonna happen, but who knows, we may get a good/bad (depends on your view on this) surprise. |
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I also hope for Naruto to master the Hiraishin but we need to see him struggle to master such an amazing technique, and don't forget that Hiraishin has advanced levels, like when Minato planted the Rasengan in Tobi, he used the Hiraishin level 2. It would also be nice to see some back story about the jutsu and why couldn't, for example, Jiraiya master it. @B-I About Rasengan, I don't agree with what you say about Naruto Mastering the Rasengan in 3 days. Okay he was able to create a Rasengan in 3 days and that's really impressive. He later did what even Minato and Jiraiya couldn't and added an element to the Jutsu making it more deadly. And yet, even doing all that, he still needs a clone to create a Rasengan, while Minato, Jiraiya and Kakashi can make it alone. For me the Rasengan is Mastered when he's able to create it alone without the help of a clone, of course to create the Rasenshuriken he would still need one clone to add the elemental portion. But right now to create the basic Rasengan, Naruto needs 1 clone to apply shape manipulation and another one(himself) to provide the chakra for it, for me that's not Mastering the Rasengan. |
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I agree with naruto needing to struggle to learn the hiraishin,after the war ends kishi should definitely take like 100 to 200 chapters showing naruto do nothing but train
if only kiski could have worked in some sort of time skip where naruto goes to train with an elite and/or legendary ninja this whole thing could have been adverted |
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I didn't say 3 days, did I? In the manga it says he did it in 3 weeks, and that's exactly what I said, too. The reason Naruto needs a clone isn't because he himself sucks. It's because the concentration required for the jutsu is too much for him to do it without a clone. Now, hopefully, he'll eventually have enough concentration/mental capacity to make a basic Rasengan without a clone, but right now he needs an extra chakra pool to match up to adults around him, since, at his age, he shouldn't have enough chakra or concentration to master A-Rank techniques like Rasengan. Though, as has been stated, he has around 5 times as much chakra as Kakashi even without the Kyuubi. Hundred times as much if the Kyuubi's chakra is added in.
By the way, do we even know what the "that" jutsu is that Jiraiya told him not to use? And if it's the same as, or if it's different from, the one Jiraiya told Gamatora he had to complete, which Gamatora in turn said to Naruto that control over the Kyuubi's chakra would be his ticket to perfecting? He needs control over the Kyuubi's chakra to complete a certain jutsu. What jutsu is that? It might be his version of the Hiraishin, that he might train later to try to complete, now that he has control over the Kyuubi's chakra. Or it could be a different jutsu entirely. Naruto can sense negative emotions in Kyuubi Chakra Mode, so maybe needs control over the Kyuubi chakra to bypass the need to use those special markers that Minato and the other people who can use the jutsu need(ed), by locking onto the opponent's hostility to slip between dimensions with Hiraishin. I know it's a hard jutsu to master even for well-known high level ninjas, and I also know that we'd need a good explanation or thorough flashback for Naruto having already mastered it, if he has already. I'm only saying that it's possible that it could be the "that" jutsu Jiraiya was talking about. He probably still hasn't completely gotten the hang of it. And considering how slow he is mentally, he might not have realized that he'd need to use it against Tobi. After realizing it, if he talked to Kakashi about it, he might get some advice. Kakashi was under Minato and should have seen him use the jutsu enough times to know how it works even if he can't copy it. So maybe he could give Naruto some tips.
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I'm just saying that for me he'll master it when he's able to do it with just one hand. I don't understand what you mean by "needs an extra chakra pool to match up to adults around him". Having lot's of chakra is not what makes a good ninja. Itachi, one of the brightest minds in the manga and also one of the deadliest, is also one of the ninjas with less chakra. Besides most people at his age has already mastered a couple of A-rank Jutsus, and most of them have less chakra, Kakashi was younger when he developed, by himself, an A-Rank technique. |
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@Nitrohell: Kakashi's a prodigy.
Well, anyway, I got the three weeks thing like this: It took Naruto one week each to get each of the steps/stages down. There are three in all, so altogether that's three weeks of training. Also, what if he's never able to do it with one hand no matter how old he gets or how much he trains, simply because he doesn't have the right kind of concentration? He did say that adding Shape Manipulation takes a lot of concentration for him. He also isn't all that smart, though he can be clever in fights. I also do want him to some day be able to do it with just one hand, but it probably won't happen. And, mind you, the only the Rasengan masters who could really do it with one hand were Minato and Jiraiya. Recall that Kakashi needs to hold his right wrist while he does it. Naruto just needs an extra set of hands. Both of them are far from perfect, since they both need more than one hand. In Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto can just use his chakra arms to make the Rasengan, so he doesn't need to make a clone for that. For the Rasenshuriken, he just has to make two sets of extra hands out of the cloak. The two best people at doing Rasengan were Minato and Jiraiya. Both needed just one hand. Kakashi, Naruto and Konohamaru all need one more hand or two. Edit: One post late.
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