The Most Powerful Gundam? - Page 16

Gekigangar · #**151** 05-21-2012, 03:07 AM

Setsuna?

If we are going by pilots, Setsuna after the movie is not even human anymore...

He could probably link up with Veda, and should have abilities similar to the Zero System...

So we would probably have a fight similar to a Zero System VS Zero System fight...

*skycrapper* · #**152** 05-21-2012, 08:09 AM

Veda? Predicting immediate future possibilities to be useful in an actual combat? No way!

Gekigangar · #**153** 05-28-2012, 08:10 AM

I suppose VEDA is what gives the Innovades their edge against normal people. So it should function similar to the Zero System. After all, it's still a computer that predicts possible events.

We can see how the Innovades went from over powering the Gundam Meisters to getting their asses kicked when their support/link from Veda got cut off.

*GeniusBob* · #**154** 08-22-2012, 03:42 AM

Turn A.

~~It's totally the mustache~~

QuattroMaxwell · #**155** 11-18-2012, 02:54 PM

Turn A hands down.
Next to the Turn A are either Devil or God Gundam.
Comparing different universes are tricky, they sometimes rely on different physics.
Here's a couple:
Wing Zero (Strongest in After Colony)
Victory 2, Unicorn, Nu, (Strongest in Universal Century)

QuattroMaxwell · #**156** 11-18-2012, 02:57 PM

haven't seen 00. But in spite of all the hatred Kira Yamato from the Cosmic Era is unkillable, whether not dying or not getting your mobile suit blown is makes you a good pilot is the question. Norris Packard from the 08th MS team is baddass. I don't know if he can match up to other main character pilots but I like him because he is skilled but doesn't rely on being more evolve, genetic engineering or exposure to some kind of waves. The same goes for Anavel Gato, Kou Uraki etc.

QuattroMaxwell · #**157** 11-18-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tohapply

I think rx782 is the strongest !

How iconic it maybe, the original Gundam is in no way to strongest. If it was, they would've used it all they way throughout the universal century without making new mobile suits.

Yadomaru · #**158** 11-18-2012, 04:10 PM

Of course it isn't, anymore than a P-51 Mustang is the most powerful fighter ever.
It was the first, and it gets credit for that. But it's unquestionably among the weakest Gundams.

Kira not dying is purely due to plot-shielding. He's gotten his ass handed to him five times at least that I can think of off the top of my head.

1. When he stupidly spammed his beam rifle against the Le Creuset Team until he ran out of power and got himself captured. Mwu had to go back and save his ass.
2. The first time he was engaged by the Waltfeld Team, he would've been dead meat if not for the convenient arrival of Desert Dawn
3. Against Athrun's Aegis. If not for the Aegis conveniently running out of power, he would've been vaporized at point-blank range
4. Against the Druggies in Orb. He would've been blown away by either the Raider or the Forbidden, I forget which, if not for Athrun conveniently dropping out of the sky to save his ass.
5. Operation Angel Down. Dead or not, he got his ass kicked.

I would also contend that if not for Athrun saving his ass AGAIN in episode 43, Kira would've gotten his butt handed to him by Shinn and Rey. But that is more arguable.

To get back on topic, as much as I hate Kira I do admit that Strike Freedom is easily among the top few most powerful machines within the Cosmic Era.
However, by no stretch of the imagination does it place even within the top five most powerful Gundams in the entire franchise...and if we're including non-Gundam MS its odds are even worse.

#151 05-21-2012, 03:07 AM
Gekigangar Hero of Earth Civillian Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 60 Gender:	Setsuna? If we are going by pilots, Setsuna after the movie is not even human anymore... He could probably link up with Veda, and should have abilities similar to the Zero System... So we would probably have a fight similar to a Zero System VS Zero System fight...

#152 05-21-2012, 08:09 AM
skycrapper Listening to Hatsune Miku ^3^ Elite Quincy Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Above you . . . Posts: 3,004 Gender:	Veda? Predicting immediate future possibilities to be useful in an actual combat? No way! __________________ "Now what?" - Bloat, Finding Nemo (New and improved sig area is near completion. The new avatar is part of the progress ) DRAGONS!!! DRAGON EGGS AND HATCHLINGS!!! Help me raise them!!! ADULT DRAGONS!!! Check out my new entry, The Solstice Dragons. Spoiler: The Dragons of the Mist Spoiler: The Story Spoiler: The name Dragons of the Mist are given to dragons grown by a secretive group of alchemists known as the Blackshrouds, somewhere in the misty, magical Blackwoods forest. They done various experiments on various breeds of dragons they collected from across the Lands of Perils, resulted in a vast amounts of dead bodies and corpses of dragons, which due to the unknown magical feats of the Blackwoods forest quickly dissolve and become one with the humus and mosses of the forest floor, not letting any foul odor and rotting flesh happen. Nevertheless, though insignificant compared to the amount of failures, the Blackshrouds succeeded in creating new breeds of dragons with unique, and some of them violent, traits and abilities. Legends tell that there were seven Dragons of the Mist. The last two, Jarkul Dramargahn and Haelyn Woodswyrm possesses abilities that at the end enables them to escape from the grasp of the mad alchemists and tried to lead the other five to freedom. Dramargahn created such an elaborate illusions and lured the alchemist to unlock the cages and bars for the dragons to go out and fly away. But since they were grown in the exposure of the mists of the Blackwoods forest, once they took flight away from the forest, their bodies disintegrated violently and disappears within seconds. Knowing this, Dramargahn tried to pull Woodswyrm back into the mist, but then realized that she was not affected by the binding effect due to her abilities. It's a peace and calming aura which affects those who are physically close to her, thus protected Dramargahn in their escape flight. For long, he traveled everywhere together with her, fearing that he would suffer the same fate of the other five should he go away from her. But later, they found that as they travel further from the forest, the binding effect grows thin and finally disappears. Then the two decided to go separate ways. Haelyn Woodswyrm Spoiler: Haelyn Woodswyrm is a legendary guardian of the vast Gravinwoods forest, east of the gleaming City of Pfarvaldar. Haelyn is one of the last of her kind, the Dragons of the Mist, born with a unique, invisible aura of influence that affects her surroundings. It gives the feeling of serenity and peace around the cave where she lives, thus many creatures take refuge in the vicinity of her dwelling and make it a safe haven that protects them from the brutality and violence of the beautiful forest. Due to this condition, she is bound to stay in the center of the forest. If she leaves, serenity would be gone, and chaos would destroy the forest swiftly. The other Dragon of the Mist is a male dragon, Jarkul Dramargahn, the guardian of Mount Sharvandar, the Mountain of Kings. Jarkul Dramargahn Spoiler: Jarkul Dramargahn is one of the last two Dragons of the Mist alive in the realm of the Lands of Perils. He lives around the clouds and fog of the Mountain of Kings. The Mountain of Kings is the one place where the people bury their kings along with their favorite treasures and valuables, during the Black Age that destroyed the land and gave birth to its name. His task is to provide a series of tests to the people who take the mountain pass past the great Helvin Bridge. He drops images and illusions into the mind, to give them visual choices to take. The choices are always the same : Earthly riches and wisdom, with different themes according to the feats, memories and traits. They who fail the tests are given a last illusion to lure them off the cliffs. The Baardard Nikhim Spoiler: The Story Spoiler: There were many dragon hunters groups in the Lands of Perils, and Baardard Nikhim was one among few with both attitude and wealth worth respect. They have many bases spread across the land, including sea fleets, forest watchtowers, cavern burrows and even mountain halls to keep their loots and dragons. These are but a few of their stories, found in scribes, journals and parchments found by various efforts in trying to keep their violent ways at bay. Khraxx Galaxx Spoiler: Khraxx Galaxx was owned by Valina Jafina, one of the great leader of the Baardard Nikhim, a group of dragon hunters from the eastern borders of the Lands of Perils. They are said to be the most successful pair in the long history of the dragon hunters, and their reputation was whispered with fear among the dragon communities and lairs throughout the land. They were last seen leading the group chasing a Hellfire Wyvern beyond the borders of Manticula Vex, a desert in the northern area of the Lands of Perils. They never come back, and no one know what happened to the dragon hunters. Gorak Barimm Spoiler: Near the Lands of Perils, deep in the vast, desolate desert of Manticula Vex, lives Gorak Barimm, a Hellfire Wyvern exiled from his volcanic dwellings due to his unique, calm behavior. He used to live in a cave near the Horad's Peninsula, until he was lost to a fight with a powerful wizard who desperately wanted to seize the cave for unknown purposes. Barimm lives for a long time in the desert, and rumor spreads of a lone Hellfire Wyvern lives in a rocky cave, ready to be caught. Many sought to seize him, but all fails due to the harsh environment, and Barimm's fiery defense when they successfully reach his lair. Even the feared dragon hunters group Baardard Nikhim lost one of their respected leader trying to seal him. The Tale of the Southshores Bind Spoiler: The Story Spoiler: The Tale of Southshores Bind tells a story about a relationship between two dragons of different races, the Deep Sea Dragons and Waterhorse Dragons races, who are known for their long history of adversary. The tale originates from the finding of ancient scrolls and journals of the infamous dragon hunters group known as the Baardard Nikhim, when queen Mara Shirania ordered her assassins to wipe out the entire members of one of the group's fleet base out of anger due to their raid on her firstborn son's ship. The queen learned about the story from the passages about the sinking of one of their elite ship due to a violent encounter with a Deep Sea Dragon in the middle of their quest of catching a certain Waterhorse Dragon. The story touched her so much, knowing the background history of the two dragon races, and the fact that her ancestors were involved in the great war known as the Black Age when different races fought to claim ownership of the once vast and rich world, resulted with the great losses of the fighting races and the ruining of the world, leaving a world of desolated and barren lands known as The Lands of Perils. 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Hakh'al died when he tried to help her from getting slaughtered by the Baardard Nikhim, a group of dragon slayers from the East. He decided to brave himself and swim to the surface to give aid to the distressed waterhorse dragon, and successfully made the dragon slayers fled for their lives due to his violent attack. Despite the efforts, Marthil Hadad already sustained mortal wounds and nearing death, while Hakh'al finally found out how cruel shallow waters could do to him. Their helpless bodies slowly sank to the depths of the sea. Marthil Hadad Spoiler: Marthil Hadad was a waterhorse dragon, usually seen prancing on the surface when ships and cruisers sailed the waters near her colony habitat. 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He sunbathes during the day, and releases the energy during the night, along with his ability to control the humidity of the evening air. Though harmless and with a small area of effect, the released sun's energy is enough for the professor to continue his sunbathing and picnic schedule around his laboratory with Summersun lazily floats in the air yawning and waiting for the sunrise to repeat the process again. Greyfall Spoiler: Greyfall is one of the Solstice Dragons created and/or modified by Professor Jahred Margul of the Farlands. Greyfall's magical traits activate during the autumn season of the Farlands. His magical traits are mainly psychological: The magical aura induces the calm, melancholy feelings to whoever present within its vicinity, which usually gives them the urge to write poetry, cry over sad stories, or just close their eyes and enjoy the cool breeze of the air. Snowbreed Spoiler: Snowbreed is one of the Solstice Dragons of the Farlands. Snowbreed's magical traits activate during the winter season of the Farlands. They involve mainly atmospheric influences, including cold breeze, snowflakes, hails, and sometimes auroras. It is also recorded that, in rare occasions, Snowbreed even controls the cold weather of winter, to make it less freezing for the living things in the surrounding area to endure and survive. Epilogue Spoiler: The professor is yet to find a Seasonal Dragon's spring egg, due to the difficulty to obtain it. FAN CLUBS Not quite done, still work in progress Spoiler: OTHER STUFFS Spoiler:

#153 05-28-2012, 08:10 AM
Gekigangar Hero of Earth Civillian Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 60 Gender:	I suppose VEDA is what gives the Innovades their edge against normal people. So it should function similar to the Zero System. After all, it's still a computer that predicts possible events. We can see how the Innovades went from over powering the Gundam Meisters to getting their asses kicked when their support/link from Veda got cut off.

#154 08-22-2012, 03:42 AM
GeniusBob Change Getter! Gillian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 2fort. Age: 22 Posts: 1,645 Gender:	Turn A. ~~It's totally the mustache~~ __________________ Sarcasm. I use it. Spoiler:

#155 11-18-2012, 02:54 PM
QuattroMaxwell Noob Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 12 Gender:	Turn A hands down. Next to the Turn A are either Devil or God Gundam. Comparing different universes are tricky, they sometimes rely on different physics. Here's a couple: Wing Zero (Strongest in After Colony) Victory 2, Unicorn, Nu, (Strongest in Universal Century)

#156 11-18-2012, 02:57 PM
QuattroMaxwell Noob Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 12 Gender:	haven't seen 00. But in spite of all the hatred Kira Yamato from the Cosmic Era is unkillable, whether not dying or not getting your mobile suit blown is makes you a good pilot is the question. Norris Packard from the 08th MS team is baddass. I don't know if he can match up to other main character pilots but I like him because he is skilled but doesn't rely on being more evolve, genetic engineering or exposure to some kind of waves. The same goes for Anavel Gato, Kou Uraki etc.

#158 11-18-2012, 04:10 PM
Yadomaru is a sexy-babe-lovin' Captain Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: with Nemu, Lisa, Yoruichi-sama, Senna, Nanao-chan, Harribel, Ikumi-san, Riruka, Loly & Cirucci Age: 25 Posts: 3,566 Gender:	Of course it isn't, anymore than a P-51 Mustang is the most powerful fighter ever. It was the first, and it gets credit for that. But it's unquestionably among the weakest Gundams. Kira not dying is purely due to plot-shielding. He's gotten his ass handed to him five times at least that I can think of off the top of my head. 1. When he stupidly spammed his beam rifle against the Le Creuset Team until he ran out of power and got himself captured. Mwu had to go back and save his ass. 2. The first time he was engaged by the Waltfeld Team, he would've been dead meat if not for the convenient arrival of Desert Dawn 3. Against Athrun's Aegis. If not for the Aegis conveniently running out of power, he would've been vaporized at point-blank range 4. Against the Druggies in Orb. He would've been blown away by either the Raider or the Forbidden, I forget which, if not for Athrun conveniently dropping out of the sky to save his ass. 5. Operation Angel Down. Dead or not, he got his ass kicked. I would also contend that if not for Athrun saving his ass AGAIN in episode 43, Kira would've gotten his butt handed to him by Shinn and Rey. But that is more arguable. To get back on topic, as much as I hate Kira I do admit that Strike Freedom is easily among the top few most powerful machines within the Cosmic Era. However, by no stretch of the imagination does it place even within the top five most powerful Gundams in the entire franchise...and if we're including non-Gundam MS its odds are even worse. __________________ Resident Riruka/Senna/Cirucci otaku Many thanks to Razvan Asakura* for the great Riruka-chan sig!!!!* FCs Spoiler: My RE-revised TOP 10 Bleach Fucks: Spoiler: 01. Yoruichi Shihouin...(Tall, dark, and super-hot sex goddess) 02. Nemu Kurotsuchi (she's sexy, she's totally submissive, and that outfit sooo gets me off) 03. Cirucci (Gothic lolita? In mah bed, nao!) 04. Lisa Yadomaru(horny little perv probably knows all kinds of kinky tricks. That and schoolgirl uniforms and chicks with glasses turn me on) 05. Soi Fon (she's badass, and that outfit's hot...Get her in a threesome with Yoruichi, keep things interesting) 06. Harribel (Dem big ol' titties, and that outfit. Resureccion form is even more fuckable) 07. Nanao Ise (What can I say, she's a babe with glasses) 08. Loly (Skanky little slut just begs for it) 09. Senna(I'll feel guilty about it later, she's just too cute not to fuck.) 10. Riruka Dokugamine (see avatar) Last edited by Yadomaru; 11-18-2012 at 04:19 PM