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| View Poll Results: Who's shikai prevails? | |||
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4 | 11.43% |
| Shunsui Kyoraku |
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31 | 88.57% |
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severus snape fangirl
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i thought his name was captain grab-ass.
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#52
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Listening to Hatsune Miku ^3^
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Or Captain Ladies Man
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Shinigami
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I'm calling BS on Soifon being faster the Yama. People take certain quasi titles way to seriously and no I don't care if you have 100 scans from the Manga stating your point. Shunsui performed a long distance shunpo that rivaled Starks feat that left Kenpachi+Ichigo shocked. Shunsui will have this fight over before taking off hat as per the reasons explained by the others like Pumpkin.
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Yes, Soifon is faster than Yamamoto by feats and hype. Not much faster (she likely wouldn't two shot him), but still a bit faster. And even if "Shunsin" was not a title, some considerations. Even if Yoruichi was rusty, she was outspeeding Byakuya, a shunpo master, while holding a passed out Ichigo as well as Zangetsu at the same time. Yoruichi without such deadweight is obviously much faster, and even while rusty: -She knocked out a huge group of special ops assassin in an instant leaving a shitload of clones as well, and the special ops is trained for speed, mind you. -Her and Soifon immobilized Aizen in the hogyoku hill, and they both were dodging a fucking beam of light (Negacion) at the last second. So even rusty, Yoruichi has the best speed feats outside trascendentals. Soifon can fight well with a rusty Yoruichi (without deadweight) to the point Yoruichi had trouble to avoid the second sting on. Note that in FKT Urahara was putting seals (sealing cuffs, sealing kido inside hado 91, etc) on Aizen without him noticing, and he could even pull the gigai trick on him surprising Aizen, and Aizen was transforming with the hogyoku. Yoruichi is faster than Urahara. Aizen could blitz Shunsui, Shinji, Hitsugaya and a Soifon which was exhausted from Barraggan and Aizen fight, and she also had her guard off. So in speed: Yoruichi > healthy Soifon > Urahara > half-transformed Aizen >> shinigami Aizen >>> Shunsui in speed. (With Shinigami Aizen casually blitzing a FKT masked bankai ichigo) Yamamoto is faster than Shunsui and Ukitake, but perhaps even Urahara is a bit faster than him. He isn't much faster than Shinigami Aizen by feats. Oomeada inted that Soifon is the fastest gotei 13 captain, and there is no evidence that disprove it since her speed feats are impressive. Yamamoto having 1000 years of experience more doesn't mean nothing. If his maximum speed limit is lower than Yoruichi and Soifon, who have more potential on speed and shunpo, then it can have a million years of experience over them and they will be still faster. Soifon can strike you twice and you feel only one hit. Last edited by asdfj; 02-12-2012 at 01:12 AM |
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Yamamoto doesn't even need to fucking move. Ryujin Jakka would totally rape Soifon in every conceivable way without Yama even having to move an inch from the spot he released it.
I don't care how fast Soifon is, I care even less about how fast you or anyone else thinks she is. Speed is not everything, especially in a fight against Yama. What is the point of being fast when you can't even get close to the opponent, especially with Susumebachi. I assure you, simply trying to get close to Yama with his shikai activated would be a difficult task, probably even impossible. If Soifon can't get close, then her attack is pointless. On top of that, Yama could probably quite easily tank Soifon's bankai, afterall, he managed to absorb a colossal city-destroying explosion off his own Ennetsu Jigoku and live. In the end power will win, and there is nothing we know in existance that is more powerful than Ryujin Jakka, nothing more than a single wave would be needed to burn Soifon to a delicate crisp. As for the topic at hand, I still think Shunsui would win. Not only is he extremely intelligent, and probably the smarter tactician; he's probably also got a fearsome reiatsu and top-teir kido skills. Then there is the variable of his shikai, which can play any children's game it wants, when it feels like it. Its probably not restricted to just Kageoni, Takaoni and Irooni, because there must be hundreds more children's games for Katen Kyokotsu to exploit. Yeah, he's probably slower, but being able to hide in shadow's is pretty haxx and his Zanpakuto's potential for countless abilities will cause problems. It won't be an easy fight, but I reckon Shunsui would win if he keeps his distance and uses as many movement restricting bakudo as possible, along side his Zan's ridiculous ability. |
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CAPTAIN BADASS
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Okay, I haven't done this in a while, but I felt it was about time, to keep the skillz tight y'all.
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2. Debatable. Soifon does have good feats there is no doubt. Yamamoto's speed blitz on Allon would make me query it (that and the fact that Yama has been categorically stated to be the most epic of epic). And being faster by hype? Well, like I said, Yamamoto is the most badass of badass, I think that's pretty good hype. Not that hype actually counts for anything at all though. 3. Great, she knocked out a bunch of nameless, faceless grunts. Well done. And she didn't leave clones. She left blurred, insubstantial afterimages. Indeed, only a few of those were actually decent enough to look like her, most of them were just blur lines. 4. lol no. Aizen LET them get there. And I don't doubt at all that he could have gotten out of it if he had wanted to. In reality he probably wasn't even there at all, they had "captured" an illusion. And dodging a beam of light? You're saying it as if it's real world light. But it's not. It's MANGA energy light. 5. I don't really believe Yoruichi was genuinely trying. She negated Soifon's shunkou as if she was patting a five year old on the head. And obviously she didn't REALLY want to seriously fight to maim/injure/kill one of her closest friends. 6. As if this has anything to do with speed? Except speed of saying kidou chants lol? 7. I do not refute this. 8. As far as I am concerned this was Aizen using his illusions to make it look as if he was speed blitzing. It is a well known trick of his. He covers himself with an illusion to make it look as if he is still standing where he was, whilst attacking. Then lifts the illusion and it looks like it's happened instantly. He did it against both Komamura and notably Barrigan during the flashback, he lifted the illusion revealing all of Barrigan's followers to already have been killed, but it looked like the three of them had taken them all out in one fell swoop. 9. Omaeda is a fat egotistical idiot and it's probably worth more to you to ignore him. He also believed the Captains and Vice Captains still had their limiters on and they still had to release them, but in fact they were already operating at full power. Which tells me he can't even tell when he himself is operating to his full potential or to a percentage of that. Yeah, let's rely on him for information. 10. And nowhere was it stated that Yoruichi and Soifon have more speed potential than Yama. Not to mention you picked up the "shinigami have set limits" almost certainly from Aizen's speech he did on the Hill, and of course, as I've said once and will probably have to say many countless times again... what is Aizen characterised and, hell, even DEFINED by (through his ability)? ILLUSIONS. BULLSHITTING. LYING. 11. Yamamoto can punch a hole the size a basket ball through several feet of steel with his bare hand without anybody even seeing him and the victim (Allon) not even realising it/feeling nothing. Just sayin'... SUPER Sayin... lol see whut I did thar....
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The Ultimate Spazz Lord
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Pumpkin Don't bother arguing i don't know where he pulls these "facts" but a lot of them contradict with the manga and anime.
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CAPTAIN BADASS
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that's why it's so easy to shoot down lol
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2. Kubo inted it trough the characters in manga canon, as well as in secondary canon (zanpakuto filler arc) in which he collaborated, and her speed feats are very good. Yamamoto was hyped to incredibly strong, in raw power he is pretty much above anyone else except for trascendental, but that doesn't mean he is suddendly the fastest not trascendental. I am not saying Soifon is stronger than Yamamoto, I'm talking about shunpo and speed here. And while I think Soifon is faster, she is likely not so much faster than him, seeing how can outspeed two senior captains and wait for them sitting on a rock. They are probably close in speed. 3. The point is the number. She didn't defeat one-two grants, she defeated an huge number of grants, trained for speed and assassination, in a instant. I'll give you the point of the afterimage though. 4. Negacion has been portrayed as a light beam, like Yamamoto pointed out. 5. While Yoruichi likely didn't intended to kill her, she was surprised by Soifon newly acquired speed and she was having trouble dealing with it, being out of shape from not fighting in human form for 100 years. And Yoruichi shunko is much better than Soifon one. 6. The point is that Urahara was putting the reiatsu cuffs directly on his wrists and Aizen didn't even notice that at all- that's a feet of speed. He was also able to pull the portable Gigai on him, which require an absurd reflexes and speed, and appearing behind him instantly while binding him with bakudo 61. 7. Ok. 8. While he might have used KS, he's fast enough to blitz a masked bankai ichigo (with the new mask post-scarmask) without effort. And Ichigo's not under illusion, and he was watching the whole fight. He could have warned them (unless Aizen did fuck with their senses to avoid them from hearing Ichigo). 9. In the case of the limiter, sure he was proven wrong. But Soifon's great speed feats don't disprove the claim he did. 10. Aizen was experimenting on hollowification and such because he hitted his shinigami limits. While I don't take everything Aizen says for granted, it's pretty much clear from his intentions. 11. And Soifon can sting an internal organ through arrancar hierro from front and behind in the same exact place, to the point the arrancar could feel being hitted only once. That requires both incredible speed and high precision. Yamamoto feat was good too. Last edited by asdfj; 02-13-2012 at 09:14 AM |
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The Ultimate Spazz Lord
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How did this get into a discussion between Soifon and everyone but Shunsui?
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