Arizona-cops-blast-Marine-Veteran-to-death-on-bad-information

[Shattered_dragon]

Originally Posted by Fatstogey

I tend to agree with chris here that we are living in an ever and DRASTICALLY INCREASING IN FORCE, police state.
However, the wife shoulda known the difference of cops.

This is based on you trusting cops. And as i just stated, we are becoming a police state, i dont trust them. They are hyped up on foolishness more so than any others.

And everyone in here knows theyve seen examples of people who should not wield that authority. MANY of them. Then they steal your freedom, and maybe even your life, under the guise of protecting you.

I dont give a fuck if he was a drug dealer, dont mean he should die.

And i dont know if he raised his gun at them. Because in all likelyhood if a marine raises his gun to kill, hes gonna kill. So im not so sure that the battle hardened vet wouldnt have at least killed 1 cop.

So i find it hard to believe he pointed the gun.

Id say more likely that they saw the gun and 1 cop pulled the trigger and that was the end of the story. It snowballed from there. Once that first shot is fired the rest are just gonna empty their clips.


Now ill agree with this. And also state that this could very well be karmic retribution for negative acts he committed in someone elses land.

Im not so "oh hes a veteran." Sorry vets but yes, alot of you do deserve to die. Your murderers. Im sorry you cant accept this, but you are. No 2 ways about it. No freedom. No democracy. Just murder. in cold blood.

So ill say its possible he coulda deserved it. Its possible he pulled up a gun. The cops were likely already itchy cause they knew he was military and obviously as a cop your adrenaline is gonna be jacked up if your going to the home of an armed soldier.

Dont know for sure. But what i do know is that police are beginning to run rampant. They need to be put in check before the shit gets outta control.

They could just as easily have shot the dude with a bean bag round. But they never had the presence of mind "not to kill him."

Im sorry but there should definitely be an in depth investigation. Because if he didnt brandish a weapon all those officers should be brought up on murder charges. Shit at the very least manslaughter.


Main point being we shouldnt have had to pay 15k for a swat team to be at his house at all. Because drugs should be legal. So thats the main bullet point on this.

i've got 2 things for this:
1. they(SWAT) should be charged with manslaughter.
2. Drugs kill people every second we just don't hear about it at all, unless it's a huge bust or DEA shows.

[TimidObserver]

Originally Posted by Shattered_dragon

i've got 2 things for this:
1. they should be charged with manslaughter.

Who should be charged with manslaughter?

[MCAV]

You can't do the manslaughter thing. Though the SWAT killed him, they didn't come strolling around to his house on their own. They were ordered to do so.

It's unacceptable what happened here, but I don't think it's the SWAT teams fault. They went in expecting a drug cartel member (or whatever they wanna call it) and when they saw him the first time they spotted a gun.

On the other hand 60 bullets in him? In the vid you can hear the bullet and there is 1 single last bullet shot just a bit later than the rest. 59 bullets apparently weren't enough...

[Shattered_dragon]

yes i think you're right altough i don't know the vid you're talking 'bout

[TimidObserver]

Given that he pointed a gun at them, they won't even get in trouble for shooting him.

Rule of thumb: Don't point gun at swat...

[Shattered_dragon]

ok... But if they knocked on the door unarmed it would of been fine to began with

[TimidObserver]

Originally Posted by Shattered_dragon

ok... But if they knocked on the door unarmed it would of been fine to began with

Swat normally doesn't knock. If you point a gun at a cop you don't get to claim manslaughter. If he was unarmed, then we could talk. A cop won't even get put on desk duty for shooting a guy that is pointing a gun at him.

[Chotto_Damare]

You can point a gun all you want, but they aren't supposed to fire unless fired upon.

[TimidObserver]

Originally Posted by IchigoOnigashimas

You can point a gun all you want, but they aren't supposed to fire unless fired upon.

Actually the use a deadly force is much more complicated than that. To sum it all up, pointing a gun at a cop allows them to enact the defense of life standard. In most cases, a cop only needs to feel that his life is in danger. This is why cops that shoot kids that point fake guns at them don't get arrested or usually don't get fired. It is based entirely on their perception of threat in the heat of the moment. It changes from place to place. For example, some departments have a the preservation of life standard. However, being fired upon is not a requirement at all for a cop to use deadly force.

[Shattered_dragon]

really, the safety was on and the veteran was in defence mode after all he just came back from his 2nd tour in Iraq what do you think was going through the veteran mind?

no meanness intended