Bleach 490 - March of the Star-cross II - Page 12

**Koshka_Goddess** · #**111** 04-30-2012, 03:55 AM

why not [snark][/snark] tags?

mkewell83 · #**112** 04-30-2012, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Koshka_Goddess

why not [snark][/snark] tags?

As everyone on this forum doesn't speak English natively (or understandhow to use google to complete the simplest of tasks) I can't assume they'd know what Snark meant. Everyone knows what a joke is (at least in theory).

**Koshka_Goddess** · #**113** 04-30-2012, 04:10 AM

this is true.

Ether101 · #**114** 04-30-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KuboSuxNow

Mmmm... I'm not debating whether or not it's realistic. In fact I think my point was that numerous survivors of the genocide is quite possible and makes logical sense. But in every other situation Kubo asks us to suspend belief, ignore realism, and accept what he says as the reality of Bleach.

Nobody screamed cries of outrage at unbelievability and illogical unrealism when it's stated that Ishida is the last Quincy. In fact, the typical response was "ZOMG it's sooo possible cuz Shinigamis r sooooo badass!" or thereabouts. Yet now "we" are using realistic logic to prop up Kubo trolls.

Opinion. Credibility. Haz none.

I recall it being said in the anime that Ishida's tittle was given to him by other Quincy as away to make fun of his loner style. I wounder if that was brought up in any of the extra info that Kubo produced or if its was something that just happened? Either way it doesn't matter because we know that some Quincy did survive because Mayuri started to hunt them down after he became a caption which was over a hundred years after they got wiped out.

cronik · #**115** 04-30-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CptRumGuy

YES. Thank you for pointing that out. I was about to post basically the same thing, but I'd also like to add one more point to the glove issue that no one has seemed to notice.

If you read the Mangastream version, he calls it "Letzter Stil" with a little asterisk saying that it means "Last Form". Then he goes on to say that the "proper" name for this technique is "vollstandig". And once again, we get a little asterisk saying it means "complete". So, in essence, there's nothing "final" about this technique at all. It goes a back to what you said, Cronik, that Ishida was simply too green to properly use this technique and lost his powers as a result. His grandfather said he would lose his powers because he knew Uryu couldn't control it yet.

kinda. when his grandfather said it almost a decade ago he most certainly meant "any quincy who popped off this glove would get burnt out"

but i could easily see kubo going back to that and saying "hahhaha trollz you guys! his grandfather really meant THIS!" when we all fucking know better but just have to accept yet another change to the bleach universe.

i'm ok with retconning but not on the scale kubo does it. even done lightly retconning hurts a series, and kubo does it a whole hell of a lot more than "lightly"

big1shoota · #**116** 04-30-2012, 05:57 AM

It's also entirely plausible that Grandpa Ishida hadn't mastered the technique or didn't fully understand it. That kind of thing happens in the real world all the time.

It's also not too much of a stretch to imagine that the method by which Uryu attained that form was significant. It really seems like the sanrei glove was a shortcut to being a Quincy badass; it's a way to accumulate a whole lot of power very quickly. Maybe there are other ways to become strong enough to use something that looks like the final form without side effects.

It also seems possible that Kirge Opie will lose all of his powers after using "Quincy complete," but will be able to regain them. Soken didn't say that Uryu would lose his powers "permanently," just that he would lose them.

-DarkMatter- · #**117** 04-30-2012, 06:38 AM

SS is about to get owned by the Star Cross army, especially since they will seal the captains bankai's.

I can see Yama'ji, Kenpachi, Komamura surviving with brute strength and Unohana because she is great with kido, but expect the rest to be critically injured. Guessing Mayuri will have to figure out how to solve the problem of bankai's being sealed.

I was thinking about the other 4 "special weapons", and my guess is Aizen, Kenpachi, Uryuu, and Yoruichi. We can eliminate Chad, Orihime, Urahara, and Nell since when they invaded Hueco Mundo it was stated only that 1 of the 5(Ichigo) has appeared.

Also the way they are referred to as "special weapons" should cause some alarm. I'm interpreting that as weapons to be used by/for the Vandenreich. Maybe Ichigo will be brainwashed or controlled somehow into turning on SS if for a brief period of time?

Bankai - Ichigo · #**118** 04-30-2012, 07:12 AM

Opie's talking about isolating and killing Ichigo, so no, I don't think it's about brainwashing and using him. I'm pretty sure the 5 "special weapons" are more like game-breakers, and don't necessarily have to only be on the good-guys' side (guessing here).

cronik · #**119** 04-30-2012, 07:40 AM

honestly i tend to agree with BI on this one... i think it just means war potential, or battle-swayers.

and yea there's probably some on the bad guys side. this whole thing is probably just another way to categorize ability, which kubo usually throws out the window anyways (lolz ice-boy fighting the #3 espada and pretty much pwning her with his flower-pillar thing)

Hitogunn · #**120** 04-30-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by -DarkMatter-

SS is about to get owned by the Star Cross army, especially since they will seal the captains bankai's.

I can see Yama'ji, Kenpachi, Komamura surviving with brute strength and Unohana because she is great with kido, but expect the rest to be critically injured. Guessing Mayuri will have to figure out how to solve the problem of bankai's being sealed.

I personally disagree with this. Komamura has proved to be pretty weak and uncreative with battle strategy in comparison to most of the other captains (and vice-captains for that matter). I honestly would suspect that Komamura would be the first to get his bankai sealed. He tends to be the most brash of all of them.

Also, let not forget the Vizards are also captains and vc's in the Gotei 13 again. So I have a feeling we'll be seeing some really great fights soon, and hopefully a lot of it stays in panel, rather than the off-panel crap we had to deal with, with the Tres-Beastia.

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#116 04-30-2012, 05:57 AM
big1shoota Plus Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 85	It's also entirely plausible that Grandpa Ishida hadn't mastered the technique or didn't fully understand it. That kind of thing happens in the real world all the time. It's also not too much of a stretch to imagine that the method by which Uryu attained that form was significant. It really seems like the sanrei glove was a shortcut to being a Quincy badass; it's a way to accumulate a whole lot of power very quickly. Maybe there are other ways to become strong enough to use something that looks like the final form without side effects. It also seems possible that Kirge Opie will lose all of his powers after using "Quincy complete," but will be able to regain them. Soken didn't say that Uryu would lose his powers "permanently," just that he would lose them. Last edited by big1shoota; 04-30-2012 at 06:05 AM

#117 04-30-2012, 06:38 AM
-DarkMatter- Hollow Bait Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 33 Posts: 29 Gender:	SS is about to get owned by the Star Cross army, especially since they will seal the captains bankai's. I can see Yama'ji, Kenpachi, Komamura surviving with brute strength and Unohana because she is great with kido, but expect the rest to be critically injured. Guessing Mayuri will have to figure out how to solve the problem of bankai's being sealed. I was thinking about the other 4 "special weapons", and my guess is Aizen, Kenpachi, Uryuu, and Yoruichi. We can eliminate Chad, Orihime, Urahara, and Nell since when they invaded Hueco Mundo it was stated only that 1 of the 5(Ichigo) has appeared. Also the way they are referred to as "special weapons" should cause some alarm. I'm interpreting that as weapons to be used by/for the Vandenreich. Maybe Ichigo will be brainwashed or controlled somehow into turning on SS if for a brief period of time? Last edited by -DarkMatter-; 04-30-2012 at 06:44 AM

#118 04-30-2012, 07:12 AM
Bankai - Ichigo Tensa Zangetsu Royal Task Force Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 23 Posts: 21,079 Gender:	Opie's talking about isolating and killing Ichigo, so no, I don't think it's about brainwashing and using him. I'm pretty sure the 5 "special weapons" are more like game-breakers, and don't necessarily have to only be on the good-guys' side (guessing here). __________________ *Click this Spoiler Tag to see (the rest of) my Stuff!* Spoiler: Bankai - Ichigo's Photobucket--click to see it! 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"Don't believe half of what you hear and don't always believe everything you see." -Another cliche saying, but this one is also a damn good one. As Notorious Uzimaki quoted Gandhi in the 3rd Division, "Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony". [Uzimaki's explanation of the quote: "too often not the case, rationalizing mis-actions, cognitive dissonance. i always try to remind myself of this quote in difficult situations." Division I am in: Spoiler: Member of: Spoiler: [Avatar: The Last Airbender FC (FC is inactive, and there's no working banner atm, either.] Owner Of: Spoiler: Co-Owner Of Spoiler: My Zanpakutō: Spoiler: Name: Kokuraimaru [黒雷丸 (Dark Lightning)] Type: Lightning/Electricity Realm and Spirit: Spoiler: The Realm of Kokuraimaru is a huge, wide, endless plain covered with countless craters, gashes, and burn-marks, while also being shrouded in darkness, as it is always nighttime there. There is a faint, eerie glow however, due to there being a group of extremely dense storm clouds present in the sky, from which high voltage lightning comes out to scorch the ground. There are also strong and violent gales that constantly blow in this inner world. The storm clouds almost always have in them thunderstorms that have black lightning with a dark-blue outline. That black lightning within the inner world is itself Kokuraimaru. He is everywhere within this realm, as an almost omnipresent being. As he is made purely of lightning, he is actually able to take virtually any form he wants (note: this ability does not translate into Shikai or Bankai; it is Kokuraimaru's ability alone). Whenever I go into my inner world outside of Bankai, Kokuraimaru would take his lightning form out of the other places and present most of it in front of me temporarily in the form of free-flowing lightning (for the amount of time that I am in the inner world). He was not always a Zanpakutō Spirit. Originally, he was Raijin, the Japanese Shinto god of storms, thunder and lightning. He "died" and later reincarnated as my Zanpakutō with some help from Ouetsu (creator of Zanpakutō) in the process of becoming my Zanpakutō, according to what he's told me. He has a companion wolf made of the same dark blue energy as he is, with his body wrapped in lightning. His name is Kokuraiko ([黒雷子] Dark Lightning Child) and he is an incarnation of Raijū, who is said to be a companion of Raijin in Japanese mythology and Shintoism. Whenever black thunderstorms are occurring, he gets agitated and creates trouble within this Realm. Kokuraimaru has to flex his reiatsu to calm him down. Sometimes, when that is not enough, I have to weigh in with my own reiatsu. In character, Kokuraimaru is kind and strong-willed, but is sometimes easily angered. When we get into arguments, there are times when he tends to get a little cranky when he is unable to get the last word and/or "win" the argument. He also has a very bad habit of coming off as arrogant without meaning to, oftentimes. Kokuraiko is the same in personality as Kokuraimaru. When we spar, he takes the form of a man wielding his Shikai sword. When I visit the inner world in Bankai, there is a noticeable change in the inner world to represent that: the complete lack of black thunderstorms due to the fact that, in Bankai, he is permanently in his "human" form, as a master swordsman Spirit that is 6ft in height, has almost no weight due to being lightning, and blue eyes and blue-black hair that reaches down to his waist, hanging loose (untied). In his "human" form, he is dressed in a samurai get-up that is enough of a darker blue that it looks almost black, except he is barefoot. He wields the same sword I have in Bankai. The belt on the outfit is black, with the kanji for "black" on the left strap of the belt tie and the kanji for "lightning" on the right one. Kokuraimaru is ancient himself, but his "human" form looks to still be in his 20s, and is also seemingly lean and well-built. On his back, with their top sides facing forward, are three black drums with three tomoe on each of them. There are no drumsticks to go with the drums, but they are not needed as Kokuraimaru is able to beat on them with just the force of his reiatsu alone (is translated into Bankai as well; it's not that I do this with my own reiatsu, it's still Kokuraimaru (no Kenshi) himself who does). When Kokuraimaru is in this form, Kokuraiko likes to sit either on his head or on his right shoulder. Sealed Form: A daicho (Japanese long sword). The hilt of the sword is dark blue, 5 inches long with a black ray-skin under the hilt-wrapping. The cross-guard is circular, with a picture of multiple lightning bolts engraved into it. The blade of the sword is 8 inches long, coming out of a black collar. In the middle of the blade are inscribed two symbols; one being that of Raijū's face, and the other being that of three tomoe. The sheath is dark blue, with the kanji for "lightning" printed on the up-facing part in black color. For a reason that was unknown until Shikai, the sword doesn't seem to have much of a weight at all, and seems to require multiple slashes made at high-speed, as it doesn't have enough cutting power to deal a decisive blow in one slash. Shikai: Spoiler: Release Command Hikare to Shūgeki! Kokuraimaru! [光れと襲撃! 黒雷丸! (Flash and Strike! Dark Lightning!)] Release Animation: I hold the sword in a guard stance and call out its Release Command and name. There is a loud thunder clap that can be heard, along with a flash of lightning coming from the sword, and in the next instant, the onlooker can see the following changes: Appearance of Shikai: Spoiler: Same daicho as the Sealed state, except with a 1 and a half inch longer dark blue blade coming out of a black collar, with the hilt also being one inch longer. The blade is made of electrically charged reishi that is in the form of a highly conductive metal, tampered to be extremely light (lighter than it was in Sealed State). As the blade in Sealed State was being covered by an insulated material, the true nature of the blade was hidden and its weight was slightly increased. The Shikai sword still requires the wielder to execute multiple slashes done at high-speeds, as even though it is sharp enough to cut, it is still weaker in power than other swords but can allow for multiple slashes done at high-speeds, the damage of which accumulates to deal high amounts of cutting damage from the blade. Abilities of Shikai: Spoiler: This Zanpakutō has the power to control lightning, electricity and thunder (can create thunder as well). Whenever thunder is created, the tomoe and Raijū face symbols on the blade start to glow with a light that is a slightly lighter blue than the blade itself. When already existing thunder is controlled, only the face of the Raijū glows. The Raijū's face also glows whenever Kokuraiko is helping with the abilities to make them powerful or effective (depends on the nature of the ability). As long as there are still protons and electrons in the surroundings within a radius of 2-3 inches from both me and the sword, the electricity on the blade will (almost) never run out. Due to the make-up of the blade, when it cuts the opponent, it also delivers a ticklish-type shock. Ability 1: Kokuraigeki [黒雷打] (Black Lightning Strike): When I want to use this ability, I have the electricity on the blade produce a strong static charge that is discharged as lightning from the tip of the blade. The power and amount of electricity on the blade, when using this technique, can be controlled at will, so that the lightning produced can be controlled. Immediately after having used this attack, some of the strong electric charge will be left on the blade, and before it runs out (in 3-4 seconds' time), I'm able to use that to deal a bit more of a zapping effect than normal through my melee attack(s). Ability 2 (Passive): Raipo [雷歩] (Lightning Step): This is an ability that I have due to the light weight of the sword, as well as the focus in high-speed melee attacks. I can't use Shunpo in conjunction with this. This is a variation of Shunpo that increases my running speed by that of lightning. In Shikai, I get a speed increase of half the speed of lightning in reality, even though it's called "speed of lightning". Ability 3 (Active): Raiken [雷剣] (Lightning Sword): Whenever there is a thunderstorm occurring near me, and I'm close enough, I can take control over some of the thunder and lightning within it. I have my sword conduct the electricity from the lightning to strike at my opponent(s) with it from the sword, or have it strike them from where it already was to begin with. I can only do this to affect thunder and lightning within a 2 and half mile radius distance of me and my sword. Bankai: Spoiler: Name of Bankai: Kokuraimaru no Kenshi [黒雷丸の剣士 (Dark Lightning the Master Swordsman)] Release Animation for Bankai: I hold my sword with one hand, pointed towards my opponent(s), and call out the words, "Ban Kai!" An almost deafening thunder clap is heard, and both my sword and I release a powerful torrent of reiatsu that looks like black lightning with a dark blue outline. When the lightning fades and my form is once again clearly visible, the appearance of my Bankai is seen. . . . Appearance of Bankai: Spoiler: In Bankai, the Zanpakutō splits into four parts; two gloves that reach up to right below the elbows and two unarmored boots that reach up to right below the knees. The gloves and shoes are both dark blue, and are made of the same electrically charged reishi as the Shikai blade; they are further tampered with than the sword's blade so that they are flexible enough for me to have full freedom and ease of movement in the parts of my limbs that the pieces of tampered metal are on. The Bankai also gives me a shirt and belt that are similar to the ones the Spirit wears in Bankai form. The same sword from the Shikai is also present, though the power and amount of control I have is greater/augmented (explained in detail a bit later). On the arm parts of the gloves are the same tomoe symbols as the blade; the inscription of the Raijū is now complete, showing a mini picture of a whole Raijū. On my back appear the same three drums from the Spirit description, facing forward so that the three tomoe that are on the top of each of the drums show. In Bankai, the dark blue outline looks almost pure black. This carries on to the shoes and gloves, making them also appear to be almost pure black, and the blade is also the same color due to being practically made of the same black lightning. Abilities of Bankai: Spoiler: The same abilities from the Shikai are carried over and powered up 5x. In Bankai, the electricity on my Zanpakutō can regenerate as long as there are still protons and electrons present in the surroundings within a radius of 5 inches around both me and my sword. The gloves and boots, as well as the sword in Bankai, work pretty much the same as the Shikai sword on how to use the lightning attacks. The power and amount of electricity on the surface of the gloves and boots/shoes, as well as on the sword can now always be controlled at will at all times, and the potential voltage and the maximum power and amount of current is 5x greater when compared to Shikai. The range of the "Raiken" technique's influence is increased in Bankai; it is now possible to control all of the thunder and lightning within any given naturally occurring thunderstorm. The attacks I can use with this Bankai are possible with either my blade, my hand(s), and/or my foot/feet. I can use either of those at any given time for any of my electrical or lightning type attacks. The "Raipo" ability is now able to literally increase my running speed that I augment with my reiatsu by that of lightning. It is still impossible to use Shunpo with Raipo. The tomoe and Raijū inscriptions act up the same way, as well as on the same occasions, as in Shikai. Kokuraiko's help in making the abilities more efficient/powerful is also a greater. This Bankai has two additional attacks; Attack 1: Kokuraigeki Jitai no Ni: Kuroi Arashi [黒雷打代表の二: 黒嵐] (Black Lightning Strike Type 2: Black Storm): Basically, I turn existing clouds into cumulonimbus clouds through static energy build-up, then use my own spiritual energy to take control of the thunder and lightning. Thunderstorms created through this technique spread over a 6.5 mile radius around both me and the opponent in all directions (gets bigger as needed when fighting multiple opponents). Attack 2: Kokuseiryokuhō [黒勢砲] (Dark Energy Cannon): This attack takes all of the electrons from either the sword or one of the gloves, compresses and condenses them, and then fires them at the opponent. Takes a few minutes to maybe a half an hour to regenerate all of the lost electricity. *Click Here: My Dragon Cave Scroll *Click Me>>> 3rd Division, Represent!**

#119 04-30-2012, 07:40 AM
cronik Captain Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,264 Gender:	honestly i tend to agree with BI on this one... i think it just means war potential, or battle-swayers. and yea there's probably some on the bad guys side. this whole thing is probably just another way to categorize ability, which kubo usually throws out the window anyways (lolz ice-boy fighting the #3 espada and pretty much pwning her with his flower-pillar thing)